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fst said: Ima take that chart as gospel because it implies that instead of becoming priests you all should have become archers. That's for |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Archer vs. Sasaki was absolutely the best thing since long time. I liked how well Sasaki owned Saber this time around. |
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| They must've forgotten to reveal that Sasaki Koujirou is blind? |
fst said: Ima take that chart as gospel because it implies that instead of becoming priests you all should have become archers. |
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| Damn if only they showed more of that Archer vs. Assassin fight. |
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| "I am the bone of my sword" I was waiting to hear that. This episode went by fast, I thought we were only 5 minutes in. |
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Killito said: Best episode I have seen this season by far. What's your sig from? |
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ReaperCreeper said: "I am the bone of my sword" I was waiting to hear that. A lot of people were waiting to hear that, I'm sure. That and "drown in your ideals and die". Stupid Aniplex. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
RinPriest said: This is going to be very interesting to see how it turns out in the end:  I told people it would be Archer in that other thread! Why would Shirou be number 1 out of all of the more interesting characters, smh |
Qans said: I told people it would be Archer in that other thread! Why would Shirou be number 1 out of all of the more interesting characters, smh Shirou's in third place, though. Which is higher than a good bit of those "more interesting characters" you mentioned, I'm sure. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
Qans said: RinPriest said: This is going to be very interesting to see how it turns out in the end: I told people it would be Archer in that other thread! Why would Shirou be number 1 out of all of the more interesting characters, smh Lol I remember that, mainly because I somehow turned that into a Priest Civil war. I never knew the fires of war could be that frightening... Or addictive. |
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WrongPriest said: Qans said: I told people it would be Archer in that other thread! Why would Shirou be number 1 out of all of the more interesting characters, smh Lol I remember that, mainly because I somehow turned that into a Priest Civil war. Priest Civil War will come when HF movie airs, I'm sure of it. |
insan3priest said: Qans said: I told people it would be Archer in that other thread! Why would Shirou be number 1 out of all of the more interesting characters, smh Shirou's in third place, though. Which is higher than a good bit of those "more interesting characters" you mentioned, I'm sure. True, but he's the MC so by default he'd probably be around #5 plus all of the characters haven't really been fully introduced, so I guess we'll see later on near the end. Also I noticed in the anime he's being portrayed as less of a dumbass and more likable than he actually is in the VN |
| @ Qans The only thing I can agree on is that I somehow actually like the anime version of Shirou more so far. Actually, I kind of no why but...... |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| damn those sakuga battle scenes are magnificent to watch |
| Loving each moment :D And does anyone else think that Archer's electric guitar theme in this show has a similar basic tune as Kenji Kawai's Emiya Shirou from F/SN 2007 ver. ? |
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RinPriest said: insan3priest said: That's for So wait, Oooh. Should be fun. |
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| ^ but thy sounds like we'll split up into factions! We must remain united! |
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WrongPriest said: ^ but thy sounds like we'll split up into factions! We must remain united! Cuz mongrel hordes and the One Bait and the Troll Lord and all that stuff. |
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| fight scenes are well animated as usual but i dont like the way this franchise seems to handle the way they conclude, "that was enough for today, ill let you go" or "i can kill you but i wont" or someone or something gets in the way, it wouldnt bother me if this happened every once in a while but when it comes to Fate ill be suprised if we see a fight to an epic conclusion anyways some interesting info during this ep, im wondering if Caster can summon other Servants, after watching this ep im almost sure that Archer is an ancestor to either Shirou or perhaps Kiritsugu also since Caster was revealed to be the master then the only one missing is probably the overly serious highschool teacher question, is it possible for a new master to join the battle even if the war has already started? |
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silversaint said: fight scenes are well animated as usual but i dont like the way this franchise seems to handle the way they conclude, "that was enough for today, ill let you go" or "i can kill you but i wont" or someone or something gets in the way, it wouldnt bother me if this happened every once in a while but when it comes to Fate ill be suprised if we see a fight to an epic conclusion anyways some interesting info during this ep, im wondering if Caster can summon other Servants, after watching this ep im almost sure that Archer is an ancestor to either Shirou or perhaps Kiritsugu also since Caster was revealed to be the master then the only one missing is probably the overly serious highschool teacher question, is it possible for a new master to join the battle even if the war has already started? Oh there will be fights with epic conclusions, not this early though at this stage it's mainly just skirmishes. As for you second question |
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silversaint said: im wondering if Caster can summon other Servants If all the Servants weren't summoned already, she probably could. The Holy Grail could allow for up to seven Servants to be summoned in one era. So if all seven weren't summoned, presumably she could summon more. Though that means her mana would be divided amongst the several. |
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WrongPriest said: Oh there will be fights with epic conclusions, not this early though at this stage it's mainly just skirmishes. As for you second question did i stood on an important plot point here? i was expecting a simple yes or no but if the answer will be answered by the anime later on or if its an importanat event then i probably should avoid that spoiler, is it safe to read? keep in mind that ive seen Fate Zero |
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silversaint said: fight scenes are well animated as usual but i dont like the way this franchise seems to handle the way they conclude, "that was enough for today, ill let you go" or "i can kill you but i wont" or someone or something gets in the way, it wouldnt bother me if this happened every once in a while but when it comes to Fate ill be suprised if we see a fight to an epic conclusion anyways some interesting info during this ep, im wondering if Caster can summon other Servants, after watching this ep im almost sure that Archer is an ancestor to either Shirou or perhaps Kiritsugu also since Caster was revealed to be the master then the only one missing is probably the overly serious highschool teacher question, is it possible for a new master to join the battle even if the war has already started? If fights didn't end this way there would be no room for character development aside from we're just fighting for the grail. With no more plot than that This skirmishes are a good way to look into characters motives and ideals. Archer letting caster goes shows he might be plotting something. Or at least wants her to take care of berserker before taking her out himself A samurais honor and a knights chivalry are shown between Assassin and Saber. Its a way to develop the characters and the world. Without development the show would just be a boring free for all fight. silversaint said: WrongPriest said: Oh there will be fights with epic conclusions, not this early though at this stage it's mainly just skirmishes. As for you second question did i stood on an important plot point here? i was expecting a simple yes or no but if the answer will be answered by the anime later on or if its an importanat event then i probably should avoid that spoiler, is it safe to read? keep in mind that ive seen Fate Zero It should be safe for you to read especially if you've seen FZ |
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kingcity20 said: If fights didn't end this way there would be no room for character development aside from we're just fighting for the grail. With no more plot than that This skirmishes are a good way to look into characters motives and ideals. Archer letting caster goes shows he might be plotting something. Or at least wants her to take care of berserker before taking her out himself A samurais honor and a knights chivalry are shown between Assassin and Saber. Its a way to develop the characters and the world. Without development the show would just be a boring free for all fight. im quite sure that if fights ended with a proper conclusion there d be plenty of time for character development, less fighting an more focusing on the characters an their ideals an by the time they went at it for real, we d know everything about the an wed also knew that one will not survive the fight... which isnt the case thus far an its my personal fav kind of fighting btw when i said ill kill you but i wont i wasnt particularly refering to Archer i was mostly thinking about Fate Zero but also Rider letting Shirou go or Berseker letting Shirou go |
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| Sasaki Kojiro you sexy beast. Archer... well, it's that time now. I'm all for fun and games, but we've always been serious business. Ufotable banzai. |
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silversaint said: kingcity20 said: If fights didn't end this way there would be no room for character development aside from we're just fighting for the grail. With no more plot than that This skirmishes are a good way to look into characters motives and ideals. Archer letting caster goes shows he might be plotting something. Or at least wants her to take care of berserker before taking her out himself A samurais honor and a knights chivalry are shown between Assassin and Saber. Its a way to develop the characters and the world. Without development the show would just be a boring free for all fight. im quite sure that if fights ended with a proper conclusion there d be plenty of time for character development, less fighting an more focusing on the characters an their ideals an by the time they went at it for real, we d know everything about the an wed also knew that one will not survive the fight... which isnt the case thus far an its my personal fav kind of fighting btw when i said ill kill you but i wont i wasnt particularly refering to Archer i was mostly thinking about Fate Zero but also Rider letting Shirou go or Berseker letting Shirou go The Rider incident makes sense once you know certain things in Heaven's Feel, but I'm not sure if this anime will drop any hints as to her motives. The Berserker one makes sense once you get to know Illya more and what she knows (which again is explained in Heaven's Feel but I'm not sure how much additional screentime they'll add in for her in this show). I think the story does a good job of retroactively rationalizing various decisions and outcomes, but it does tend to that a bit too much at times that I can understand how it might be off-putting to some. |
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silversaint said: kingcity20 said: If fights didn't end this way there would be no room for character development aside from we're just fighting for the grail. With no more plot than that This skirmishes are a good way to look into characters motives and ideals. Archer letting caster goes shows he might be plotting something. Or at least wants her to take care of berserker before taking her out himself A samurais honor and a knights chivalry are shown between Assassin and Saber. Its a way to develop the characters and the world. Without development the show would just be a boring free for all fight. im quite sure that if fights ended with a proper conclusion there d be plenty of time for character development, less fighting an more focusing on the characters an their ideals an by the time they went at it for real, we d know everything about the an wed also knew that one will not survive the fight... which isnt the case thus far an its my personal fav kind of fighting btw when i said ill kill you but i wont i wasnt particularly refering to Archer i was mostly thinking about Fate Zero but also Rider letting Shirou go or Berseker letting Shirou go FZ is more guilty of that than FSN, Thats what i mean by getting more development for those characters. If the fight ended with berserker dead, we wouldn't get much backstory on him and ilya, and thats a pretty touching scene when we do get it. Rider leaves shirou because her master is a coward, rin going there and the potential of saber and archer showing up was way to high of a risk. |
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-RIPriest- said: So, what was the reward for the fight to the death? Lots! We had Kojirou's awesomeness, Archer's GAR-ness, Baka-Baka scene, I am the bone of my sword and Archer in some sort of hill with swords. We had lots! |
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| OMG THIS EPISODE WAS SO GOOD the fights, shirou & archers confrontation, everything was perfect. ahhh i'm excited all over again RinPriest said: This is going to be very interesting to see how it turns out in the end: best guy at #1, i'm fine with this. |
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RinPriest said: emiya_lucis said: Great episode except for the few translation errors I noticed. The 'drown in your ideals' isn't there but at least the meaning is still intact. Some of the lines are just outright wrong like Sasaki going he has no true name when he was talking about his sword. Or Archer saying Shirou's stupidity hurts his head when he was talking about his own stupidity after saving Shirou. Horrible subs = Crunchy Roll subs Crunchy roll =/= Good subs Wait for UTW to catch up and translate all of UBW, their the only ones doing it right. So who's going to get the Blu-Ray subs? |
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| ok i'm highly amused by this idiot talk thing...what is it? |
RinPriest said: kingcity20 said: So who's going to get the Blu-Ray subs? Probably UTW, they did it before with KnK. *I can't post links here because I'm not allowed to but just search it up* Hmm Aniplex should really rerelease those blurays -_- lol |
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| I felt like this before...that one time...........is this........................ Perfection? Cuz i'm pretty sure it is. No-words-nor-numbers-can-describe-this-episode/5 |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| Dat foreshadowing. Shirou and Archer 'baka baka' scene made up this episode for me. Oh stahp it XD |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
PriestSlayer said: I felt like this before...that one time...........is this........................ Perfection? Cuz i'm pretty sure it is. No-words-nor-numbers-can-describe-this-episode/5 If perfection is constantly telling us things we already know, dialogue that doesn't lead anywhere and heavy handed foreshadowing then yup, definitely a perfect episode. Probably the weakest episode of this series so far. The fights, which have been a high point of this show, were too short to be any fun even if what they did show was pretty cool. Archer vs Assassin was too much flash so you couldn't see anything as well. I hope this doesn't become a thing. The show has so much more potential than talking rubbish and not fighting. Oh, and this is probably the first time Shirou has really been in infamous annoying self. Let's hope that doesn't continue either. |
Miraclezify said: PriestSlayer said: I felt like this before...that one time...........is this........................ Perfection? Cuz i'm pretty sure it is. No-words-nor-numbers-can-describe-this-episode/5 If perfection is constantly telling us things we already know, dialogue that doesn't lead anywhere and heavy handed foreshadowing then yup, definitely a perfect episode. Probably the weakest episode of this series so far. The fights, which have been a high point of this show, were too short to be any fun even if what they did show was pretty cool. Archer vs Assassin was too much flash so you couldn't see anything as well. I hope this doesn't become a thing. The show has so much more potential than talking rubbish and not fighting. Oh, and this is probably the first time Shirou has really been in infamous annoying self. Let's hope that doesn't continue either. Agreed, if we get too many more episodes of this quality I'm not going to survive between cours Also the Archer vs Assassin being all flash and short is the entire point. It served it's purpose to a T. |
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Miraclezify said: PriestSlayer said: I felt like this before...that one time...........is this........................ Perfection? Cuz i'm pretty sure it is. No-words-nor-numbers-can-describe-this-episode/5 If perfection is constantly telling us things we already know, dialogue that doesn't lead anywhere and heavy handed foreshadowing then yup, definitely a perfect episode. Probably the weakest episode of this series so far. The fights, which have been a high point of this show, were too short to be any fun even if what they did show was pretty cool. Archer vs Assassin was too much flash so you couldn't see anything as well. I hope this doesn't become a thing. The show has so much more potential than talking rubbish and not fighting. Oh, and this is probably the first time Shirou has really been in infamous annoying self. Let's hope that doesn't continue either. Exactly I thought I was the only one who felt the same about this episode. |
WrongPriest said: Miraclezify said: If perfection is constantly telling us things we already know, dialogue that doesn't lead anywhere and heavy handed foreshadowing then yup, definitely a perfect episode. Probably the weakest episode of this series so far. The fights, which have been a high point of this show, were too short to be any fun even if what they did show was pretty cool. Archer vs Assassin was too much flash so you couldn't see anything as well. I hope this doesn't become a thing. The show has so much more potential than talking rubbish and not fighting. Oh, and this is probably the first time Shirou has really been in infamous annoying self. Let's hope that doesn't continue either. Agreed, if we get too many more episodes of this quality I'm not going to survive between cours. Definitely. Too much talking, not enough action. I have to think waaaaay to hard and I find it pointless. Who cares about the characters, I want to see mor bloooodz |
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Miraclezify said: PriestSlayer said: I felt like this before...that one time...........is this........................ Perfection? Cuz i'm pretty sure it is. No-words-nor-numbers-can-describe-this-episode/5 If perfection is constantly telling us things we already know, dialogue that doesn't lead anywhere and heavy handed foreshadowing then yup, definitely a perfect episode. Probably the weakest episode of this series so far. The fights, which have been a high point of this show, were too short to be any fun even if what they did show was pretty cool. Archer vs Assassin was too much flash so you couldn't see anything as well. I hope this doesn't become a thing. The show has so much more potential than talking rubbish and not fighting. Oh, and this is probably the first time Shirou has really been in infamous annoying self. Let's hope that doesn't continue either. And here I thought the foreshadowing was too obvious. There's obviously at least one of us here who didn't get it. At least the 2010 version was superior right? I mean, it had action. Actually that's pretty much all it had, but meh. Edit: typo |
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Miraclezify said: PriestSlayer said: I felt like this before...that one time...........is this........................ Perfection? Cuz i'm pretty sure it is. No-words-nor-numbers-can-describe-this-episode/5 If perfection is constantly telling us things we already know, dialogue that doesn't lead anywhere and heavy handed foreshadowing then yup, definitely a perfect episode. Probably the weakest episode of this series so far. The fights, which have been a high point of this show, were too short to be any fun even if what they did show was pretty cool. Archer vs Assassin was too much flash so you couldn't see anything as well. I hope this doesn't become a thing. The show has so much more potential than talking rubbish and not fighting. Oh, and this is probably the first time Shirou has really been in infamous annoying self. Let's hope that doesn't continue either. Yeah the fights were way too short. They shouldn't have tried to cram both of them in since the result ended up being half-assed. The dialogue was also pretty useless. It was a good opportunity to showcase why Shirou and Archer were at odds with each other and explore Archer's thought process and perspective, but it failed and as you said didn't lead anywhere. Poorly executed fights with terrible and useless dialogue. It would have been better if it was more dark and mature and if Shirou wasn't so much of an annoying generic shounen protagonist. Rating: 1/5 |
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ZeroDragon said: Yeah the fights were way too short. They shouldn't have tried to cram both of them in since the result ended up being half-assed. The dialogue was also pretty useless. It was a good opportunity to showcase why Shirou and Archer were at odds with each other and explore Archer's thought process and perspective, but it failed and as you said didn't lead anywhere. Poorly executed fights with terrible and useless dialogue. It would have been better if it was more dark and mature and if Shirou wasn't so much of an annoying generic shounen protagonist. Damn, you're getting good at this Zero. |
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RinPriest said: ZeroDragon said: Yeah the fights were way too short. They shouldn't have tried to cram both of them in since the result ended up being half-assed. The dialogue was also pretty useless. It was a good opportunity to showcase why Shirou and Archer were at odds with each other and explore Archer's thought process and perspective, but it failed and as you said didn't lead anywhere. Poorly executed fights with terrible and useless dialogue. It would have been better if it was more dark and mature and if Shirou wasn't so much of an annoying generic shounen protagonist. The problem with this episode is it's constant repetition of useless information. We already know what the Holy Grail War is and yet this episode doesn't even explore any of that and adds its own faucet rules where a Servant can summon a Servant. The Assassin vs Saber fight was drawn out inconclusively and in the end nothing really happened but that they traded blows and said "we will fight some other time ok bye!" It really shows that this series is all about unnecessary action scenes, with dull and monotonous dialogue. A good example of how things like this are done right is the UBW Movie by the DEEN series, it has an excellent amount of production value split between Saber and Archer. So it doesn't focus on the irritating side characters like Shirou and Rin. It also models perfectly well into what the Fate series is all about. If only Ufotable had learned what was important and what wasn't when DEEN took the right amount of time to adapt every scene from the Visual Novel. Exactly. Fate/Zero already told us everything. This show insists on repeating everything over and over, acting as if we hadn't already seen what this show is a sequel to. If they intended for us to see F/Z after F/SN, then they wouldn't have made F/Z first. The visual novel doesn't count because we're talking about just the anime that have been made for this franchise. Too many asspulls. How does Shirou continue to survive? So much plot armor, and the "fight some other time" is no exception. Why can't these characters take the war seriously and use some logic? Their personalities are all too unrealisitc and they have bullshit motives that prevent them from being logical and take actions like any real person would. Realistically, they would all just kill each other, none of this sparing for no reason crap. Archer makes no sense either. He didn't kill Illya and Caster when he could, and then he tries to kill Shirou? Why didn't he just do it earlier? I can't understand him. He's riddled with plotholes. Also, don't tell me to be patient either. It's seven episodes in and they haven't made everything crystal clear, so it's terrible execution plain and simple. |
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| ZeroDragon and Rinpriest You're getting way to good at this lol |
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| That is the best reverse argument I've ever seen, not only is it funny as hell it's actually really effective. Highlights for me: Zero RinPriest Oh sorry I just realised the last one wasn't being facetious, sorry it was so detrimental to it's own point I thought it Blood requiem or something. |
WrongPriestNov 23, 2014 12:52 AM
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kingcity20 said: +++ if i didnt know your names i would fall for it,especially Zero...Well PlayedZeroDragon and Rinpriest You're getting way to good at this lol |
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