| A lot of popular anime like Naruto, One Piece, Bleach and especially Fairy Tail are about the bonds between characters and how they grow stronger by being together. "My friends are my power!" Why do you think this has become such a popular theme in anime, specifically shounen?  |
| To encourage Weeaboos to leave their houses, find friends and be productive. |
OkashiSep 16, 2014 10:05 AM
| friendship is magic |
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| Because it's a healthy and wholesome message for children? |
| most of the time it doesnt bother me, as long as it isnt take to the extremes like in Fairy Tail |
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JD2411 said: fairy tail doesn't have nakama power though, it's just a common misconception Nakama power doesn't have enough Fairy tail, that one is just beyond flamenco (references). |
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JD2411 said: One Piece doesn't have nakama power though, it's just a common misconception made by ignorant people Agreed |
| it gets annoying, its like ok come on we get it already sheesh |
| The amount of nakama power in Fairy Tail is disgusting. The others are, to some extent, tolerable. |
 "Are you... the next monarch? Or... merely a pawn of fate?" |
| But are you referring to the simple theme (Naruto, Bleach), or the literal usage of it in fights (Fairy Tail)? SuperRed said: JD2411 said: One Piece doesn't have nakama power though, it's just a common misconception made by ignorant people Agreed Don't you get tried of this crap. |
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tsudecimo said: But are you referring to the simple theme (Naruto, Bleach), or the literal usage of it in fights (Fairy Tail)? The simple theme. |
tsudecimo said: SuperRed said: Agreed Don't you get tried of this crap. Nope, and you don't either. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1236487&show=6780#msg34418125 |
| I was actually making a point about his double standards with Berserk and Attack on Titan, you are just yet again pointlessly shit posting about one piece, either that or failing at defending your beloved series. |
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SuperRed said: JD2411 said: One Piece doesn't have nakama power though, it's just a common misconception made by ignorant people Agreed You're both wrong. One Piece and FT both have it. |
| There is some logic behind it, having a reason to fight will mean the person would push themselves more than someone who doesn't care |
| All of them turn into a joke because of it jojo is so good because it doesn't have it. You wanted me to say this but i won't say it |
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tsudecimo said: I was actually making a point about his double standards with Berserk and Attack on Titan, you are just yet again pointlessly shit posting about one piece, either that or failing at defending your beloved series. Whatever, If someone says friendship is actual powerup in One Piece, I could easily disprove it by posting a scene from the manga and explaining the context. the OP didn't give an example so I was just having a bit of fun. So far nobody has ever provided an example of an actual nakama powerup in One Piece and they confuse it with Luffy's strong ambition. |
SuperRed said: tsudecimo said: I was actually making a point about his double standards with Berserk and Attack on Titan, you are just yet again pointlessly shit posting about one piece, either that or failing at defending your beloved series. Whatever, If someone says friendship is actual powerup in One Piece, I could easily disprove it by posting a scene from the manga and explaining the context. the OP didn't give an example so I was just having a bit of fun. So far nobody has ever provided an example of an actual nakama powerup in One Piece and they confuse it with Luffy's strong ambition. One Piece treats it different. It isn't about powerups. It is about the relationships of the characters which is why many fansubbers chose not to translate nakama. |
| So we can discuss why this is a thing. |
| because it's the lamest thing you can put in an anime to excite your 12 year old fans. |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
| It's just one of the things a lot of battle shounen took from DBZ, which is an inspiration for most battle shounen out there. |
| It's fine, just another theme. It matters how a series uses it. I do not like it when it's being used to solve every fight though and it sorta comes out of nowhere(a couple of times is fine) and when it is the main character's reasoning for doing everything in the story(like Bleach). |
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IntroverTurtle said: It's fine, just another theme. It matters how a series uses it. I do not like it when it's being used to solve every fight though and it sorta comes out of nowhere(a couple of times is fine) and when it is the main character's reasoning for doing everything in the story(like Bleach). Lol, Bleach has more fights involving secondary main (if that exists :v) characters than any series I ever watched. Ichigo didn't appeared for like... 35 episodes straight. |
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Danpmss said: That's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about Ichigo's motive. For every arc, for every action he takes, it's for his friends or family. IntroverTurtle said: It's fine, just another theme. It matters how a series uses it. I do not like it when it's being used to solve every fight though and it sorta comes out of nowhere(a couple of times is fine) and when it is the main character's reasoning for doing everything in the story(like Bleach). Lol, Bleach has more fights involving secondary main (if that exists :v) characters than any series I ever watched. Ichigo didn't appeared for like... 35 episodes straight. In between arcs when someone hasn't been kidnapped he's normal and only takes action once their safety is threatened. |
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IntroverTurtle said: It's fine, just another theme. It matters how a series uses it. I do not like it when it's being used to solve every fight though and it sorta comes out of nowhere(a couple of times is fine) and when it is the main character's reasoning for doing everything in the story(like Bleach). and Fairy Tail |
IntroverTurtle said: Danpmss said: That's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about Ichigo's motive. For every arc, for every action he takes, it's for his friends or family. Lol, Bleach has more fights involving secondary main (if that exists :v) characters than any series I ever watched. Ichigo didn't appeared for like... 35 episodes straight. In between arcs when someone hasn't been kidnapped he's normal and only takes action once their safety is threatened. And what is exactly the problem? |
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Danpmss said: That I don't like it when the main character has only one motivation for all of his actions. What's the problem with me having a problem with it?IntroverTurtle said: That's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about Ichigo's motive. For every arc, for every action he takes, it's for his friends or family. In between arcs when someone hasn't been kidnapped he's normal and only takes action once their safety is threatened. And what is exactly the problem? |
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IntroverTurtle said: Danpmss said: That I don't like it when the main character has only one motivation for all of his actions. What's the problem with me having a problem with it?And what is exactly the problem? None, you are free to dislike whatever you want. Ichigo is "the first to protect" (nihongo pun time), as stated in the manga, so is kinda his way of being who he is (he just want to protect those he love). I don't dislike it as long as he use his motivations for good things. Nakama power, well... as long as is not overused (One Piece and Hunter x Hunter make use of it in an awesome way (and rarely), so I really like them for this), for me is also fine. The message is what it counts. |
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parfaited said: people that hate on this are just sour that they don't have any dependable nakama power of their own But you hate on Fairy Tail... |
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| Maybe he's finally reached acceptance |
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| Don't really have any problem with this, as long as it's executed properly. |
| OT: The more, the merrier, I guess. Easy to write, easy to consume, and not that bad as idea either. Samumenco>>>>> Meaning, there's a place to improve. Nakama are best when they do stuff together, but everyone on their own way. Hilarity must ensue. |
parfaited said: tsudecimo said: But you hate on Fairy Tail... Ah, but my hate is a general hatred and not a hate toward their use of nakama power. general dislike of Fairy Tail should be the norm. OT: as most people already mentioned, there are titles that use it fairly well like HxH and then there is Fairy Tail. Which fails miserably |
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Danpmss said: Ok then.=None, you are free to dislike whatever you want. Ichigo is "the first to protect" (nihongo pun time), as stated in the manga, so is kinda his way of being who he is (he just want to protect those he love). I don't dislike it as long as he use his motivations for good things. I don't have a problem with him having that motivation. It's that that's his only motivation. I want the main character in a long arc based show to not only have one motivation at all time. Even Natsu has wanting to find Igneel. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Danpmss said: Ok then.=None, you are free to dislike whatever you want. Ichigo is "the first to protect" (nihongo pun time), as stated in the manga, so is kinda his way of being who he is (he just want to protect those he love). I don't dislike it as long as he use his motivations for good things. I don't have a problem with him having that motivation. It's that that's his only motivation. I want the main character in a long arc based show to not only have one motivation at all time. Even Natsu has wanting to find Igneel. But what would he seek, man? Be the best Shinigami that no one ever was? Find the legendary treasure of the Soul King? His secondary objective of discovering what he is exactly was already accomplished, so I can't see what's wrong with just wanting a pacific life (and fighting when necessary) and protecting the ones he love (he seems like Kenshin from Rurouni Kenshin, except he is not seeking redemption for his cruel killings). |
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| Ha, yes.....The power of friendship. This adorable gimmick who gives Deus Ex machina powers to beat the crap out of godlike badguys to any heroes who say "Friendship is magic"... A beautifull example.http://i.imgur.com/zkz5sS1.png?1 (An other reason why I hate this character....) ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spew8nEz6ws.... |
tsudecimo said: I was actually making a point about his double standards with Berserk and Attack on Titan, you are just yet again pointlessly shit posting about one piece, either that or failing at defending your beloved series. You made no point. You just crudely switched the two anime around, and basically nothing was applicable. Why don't you actually you know....explain in detail next time? |
Danpmss said: IntroverTurtle said: Ok then. I don't have a problem with him having that motivation. It's that that's his only motivation. I want the main character in a long arc based show to not only have one motivation at all time. Even Natsu has wanting to find Igneel. But what would he seek, man? Be the best Shinigami that no one ever was? Find the legendary treasure of the Soul King? His secondary objective of discovering what he is exactly was already accomplished, so I can't see what's wrong with just wanting a pacific life (and fighting when necessary) and protecting the ones he love (he seems like Kenshin from Rurouni Kenshin, except he is not seeking redemption for his cruel killings). They could have at least made him enjoy a good, competitive fight like Goku or Yusuke. That would have already made him a lot less boring to watch. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Danpmss said: But what would he seek, man? Be the best Shinigami that no one ever was? Find the legendary treasure of the Soul King? His secondary objective of discovering what he is exactly was already accomplished, so I can't see what's wrong with just wanting a pacific life (and fighting when necessary) and protecting the ones he love (he seems like Kenshin from Rurouni Kenshin, except he is not seeking redemption for his cruel killings). They could have at least made him enjoy a good, competitive fight like Goku or Yusuke. That would have already made him a lot less boring to watch. Well, those two LOVE (with caps, LOVE) to fight though, and for a very good reason (Saiyan and Youkai bloodlines). And from what I know, Ichigo was never a guy who likes to fight (every single fight he was in was either to protect someone, or to destroy the evil or to defend himself). |
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Danpmss said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: They could have at least made him enjoy a good, competitive fight like Goku or Yusuke. That would have already made him a lot less boring to watch. Well, those two LOVE (with caps, LOVE) to fight though, and for a very good reason (Saiyan and Youkai bloodlines). And from what I know, Ichigo was never a guy who likes to fight (every single fight he was in was either to protect someone, or to destroy the evil or to defend himself). That's what I'm saying. From the start Ichigo was bland, unmotivated and not very interesting at all. That could have been prevented with the easiest method of making him enjoy fighting like his predecessors, bu Kubo just didn't care to give him any attributes or goals in life. Bleach generally does this to the more important characters, the more interesting they are the less airtime they have (for example Toshiro, the blandest of all captains is the one that appears all the time while the more intriguing ones pop up once in a while at best, and let's not even mention the Vizards here). The problem is that when the MC has no motivation or goal every arc makes a fitting ending and the series can only continue if new, random threats pop out of nowhere (otherwise he'd just chill and go to school) and that makes the arcs feel very isolated from each other and also gives off the feeling that Kubo is just making it up as he goes and never had any sort of long-term plan for the series, which is about the worst thing that can be said about a battle shounen imo. |
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Danpmss said: Idk, that's something only Kubo could decide. I can't just change the whole setting or his goals. There's a myriad of different motives he can have, all not some big goal like being the hokage or whatever so don't only put it down that road. They can have to do with his personality, maybe other things that happen to him while he was saving people, etc. Kenshin seeks redemption, Luffy adventures, freedom, and becoming the pirate king, Naruto seeks acceptance, family, sakura, etc. At least Kenshin has a good reason to do it and I believe he had motives other than just protecting people during the show IIRC. And that discovering what he was objective sounds like it was a small one. But what would he seek, man? Be the best Shinigami that no one ever was? Find the legendary treasure of the Soul King? His secondary objective of discovering what he is exactly was already accomplished, so I can't see what's wrong with just wanting a pacific life (and fighting when necessary) and protecting the ones he love (he seems like Kenshin from Rurouni Kenshin, except he is not seeking redemption for his cruel killings). And the problem is it's boring and repetitive. Magnify that where the two largest arcs in the anime are saving a female character who was technically kidnapped/went along by choice and is trapped in another world in a tall building. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Danpmss said: That's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about Ichigo's motive. For every arc, for every action he takes, it's for his friends or family. Lol, Bleach has more fights involving secondary main (if that exists :v) characters than any series I ever watched. Ichigo didn't appeared for like... 35 episodes straight. In between arcs when someone hasn't been kidnapped he's normal and only takes action once their safety is threatened. Uh he only came back because she healed him. Not because she called to him. |
Drunk_Samurai said: How did she heal him and you better not give me some manga spoilers.Uh he only came back because she healed him. Not because she called to him. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Danpmss said: Well, those two LOVE (with caps, LOVE) to fight though, and for a very good reason (Saiyan and Youkai bloodlines). And from what I know, Ichigo was never a guy who likes to fight (every single fight he was in was either to protect someone, or to destroy the evil or to defend himself). That's what I'm saying. From the start Ichigo was bland, unmotivated and not very interesting at all. That could have been prevented with the easiest method of making him enjoy fighting like his predecessors, bu Kubo just didn't care to give him any attributes or goals in life. Bleach generally does this to the more important characters, the more interesting they are the less airtime they have (for example Toshiro, the blandest of all captains is the one that appears all the time while the more intriguing ones pop up once in a while at best, and let's not even mention the Vizards here). The problem is that when the MC has no motivation or goal every arc makes a fitting ending and the series can only continue if new, random threats pop out of nowhere (otherwise he'd just chill and go to school) and that makes the arcs feel very isolated from each other and also gives off the feeling that Kubo is just making it up as he goes and never had any sort of long-term plan for the series, which is about the worst thing that can be said about a battle shounen imo. But you gave a 9 for Kenshin, and it make use from the same concept (except for the fact that Kenshin is the main attraction, and not the secondary cast), dude o.O I don't really think this is the worse thing in a shonen manga, is more like a trope (I'm sure I read that somewhere in TVtropes). |
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| Is there anime that does reverse nakama power? in which where if your comrades help you lose. Also is there any anime in which the enemy, antagonist or villain gets nakama powerup. |
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Danpmss said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: That's what I'm saying. From the start Ichigo was bland, unmotivated and not very interesting at all. That could have been prevented with the easiest method of making him enjoy fighting like his predecessors, bu Kubo just didn't care to give him any attributes or goals in life. Bleach generally does this to the more important characters, the more interesting they are the less airtime they have (for example Toshiro, the blandest of all captains is the one that appears all the time while the more intriguing ones pop up once in a while at best, and let's not even mention the Vizards here). The problem is that when the MC has no motivation or goal every arc makes a fitting ending and the series can only continue if new, random threats pop out of nowhere (otherwise he'd just chill and go to school) and that makes the arcs feel very isolated from each other and also gives off the feeling that Kubo is just making it up as he goes and never had any sort of long-term plan for the series, which is about the worst thing that can be said about a battle shounen imo. But you gave a 9 for Kenshin, and it make use from the same concept (except for the fact that Kenshin is the main attraction, and not the secondary cast), dude o.O I don't really think this is the worse thing in a shonen manga, is more like a trope (I'm sure I read that somewhere in TVtropes). I don't think Ichigo is part of the secondary cast so I don't know what you're talking about. Just because Kubo's character writing in general isn't very exciting except for some side characters that rarely appeal, doesn't make the issues with Ichigo disappear. Not planning ahead is a trope now? Okay. And Kenshin has the mystery and links to his past to keep the reader interested and it also connects the whole story from start to finish. Plus there are plenty of other aspects that make it more interesting, like the historical setting which is well-used etc... |
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