Fate/Stay Night 2014 & Fate/Zero watch order
| release order is best. |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
| if you're not gonna watch the old stay/night, then watch /zero first and wait for /night 2014 /zero comes first in the timeline anyway, so /night is the sequel now that they're doing a remake. I see no reason to watch /night first |
| No, first you read the VN (too bad/deal with it) then you watch F/Z then go about your normal business accordingly |
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| Just watch them all in release order and judge for yourself. DEEN's adaptation of F/SN is a perfectly serviceable anime and its hate is blown way out of proportion, especially if you're not going to even read the VN. You're not going to care about the differences from the original story anyway since you won't even know what they are. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
| If you love yourself and humanity, watch Fate/Zero first and wait for the Fate/Stay Night upcoming remake. If you love Hitler, shitposting, or just enjoy kicking kittens, watch Fate/Zero and then watch the old Fate/Stay night. |
Aerodust said: If you love yourself and humanity, watch Fate/Zero first and wait for the Fate/Stay Night upcoming remake. If you love Hitler, shitposting, or just enjoy kicking kittens, watch Fate/Zero and then watch the old Fate/Stay night. pls, they're not even in your list. Honestly the original stay/night isn't that bad...it's just popular to hate it, or so it would seem. Doesn't matter anyway because OP stated he won't watch it |
| According to Urobuchi Gen himself in the Fate/zero novels, Fate/zero was written to be read AFTER playing the visual novel. So much that for a long time, he refused for fate/zero to be published by a publishing company, keeping fate/zero as doujinshi, published privately, only available by type/moon. THat's because he didn't want people that didn't know fate visual nvel to start reading it randomly. It wasn't written with that idea in mind. He later changed his opinion on this, after he saw that there was still people who got into the fate franchise from Fate/Zero and accepted it to be released along with an anime adaptation of it. Having read the novels, I would personally agree with him that it's better to start with the original fate story, meaning, in case of anime, by something adapting the visual novel, and THEN, Fate/zero afterward. It is definitely possible to start by fate/zero. just, you aren't going to enjoy it the same I would say. BTW, I may have misread something, but I thought that the new Fate series wasn't adapting the same "road" as Deens' Fate stay night, but UBW's road instead. If that's the case, then watching the new series replace UBW's movie (which you are right to NOT watch no matter the case, as this movie is horrendous ), and not DEENs FSN. Also, I find the idea of watching F/Z first "because it's more enjoyable" or "because it's chronological order" just ridiculous. What's the point. If you watched Haruhiseries episodes, Kara no Kyoukai's movies, and Jinrui wa suitai shimashita in chronological order, you're doing it wrong, plainly. And one condition ImO for F/Z to be more enjoyable is prior knowledge of some characters and of the Fate verse. If you starts with F/Z, you won't have that. It's not impossible to start with it, but this kind of makes the point of "because it's more enjoyable" moot if you watch it in an order lowering the possibility to enjoy it, right. As final notes, don't search for F/zero in my watchlist, as I only read the original LN on this one. I don't feel the need to watch its animated version. Maybe one day, who knows. But LN or anime, I don't think that this change anything about the best watch/read order. Also, like someone said above, DEENs' FSN isn't half as bad as some people say it is. People who played the original visual novel may find it poorly executed, I understand that. But from my point of view, as someone who didn't play the original VN, it wasn't bad and was pretty enjoyable most of the time. I'm sure that when I'll watch Fate/zero in anime, I'll find it badly adapted as well. Why, because that story clearly wasn't made with anime adaptation in mind. They probably had to remove a lot of important scene due to them not being "proper" scenes in anime industry. And judging by the opinion of people who both read and watched it, it's indeed the case. So, on that point it may be even, maybe even worse on the Fate/zero side. |
ZefyrisAug 31, 2014 2:06 AM
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| F/SN is always meant to be seen first. |
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| No contest F/Z then F/SN cause of chronological order :P Nahh F/Z is good so watch that first, F/SN still haven't watched that yet but MC is a prick so I don't have high hopes. |
Sh4de said: Aerodust said: If you love yourself and humanity, watch Fate/Zero first and wait for the Fate/Stay Night upcoming remake. If you love Hitler, shitposting, or just enjoy kicking kittens, watch Fate/Zero and then watch the old Fate/Stay night. pls, they're not even in your list. Honestly the original stay/night isn't that bad...it's just popular to hate it, or so it would seem. Doesn't matter anyway because OP stated he won't watch it Implying I list everything I watch. Also, nowhere did I state that the original F/SN is bad. I didn't mind it at all. |
Aerodust said: Sh4de said: pls, they're not even in your list. Honestly the original stay/night isn't that bad...it's just popular to hate it, or so it would seem. Doesn't matter anyway because OP stated he won't watch it Implying I list everything I watch. Also, nowhere did I state that the original F/SN is bad. I didn't mind it at all. well the way you presented it was a bit misleading xD. I'd have thought someone with 287 posts would've taken the time to update his list, sorry |
Zefyris said: snip ^Pretty much this. Sure, you can watch FZ first, but please don't be surprised if you're left hanging with a huge amount of questions. Release and author's intended order are usually the way to go. S73v0 said: No contest F/Z then F/SN cause of chronological order :P Nahh F/Z is good so watch that first, F/SN still haven't watched that yet but MC is a prick so I don't have high hopes. What a dumb logic. You haven't experienced FSN yet, but the MC is a prick. Classic case of having no idea what you're talking about. And since when is chronological order always the right way? Do I watch Infernal Affairs 2 first because it plays before Infernal Affairs 1? No, I don't. FZ is a prequel that is meant to be experienced after, a prequel doesn't automatically mean you should watch it first, you can watch it first. I bet you would just mindlessly recommend Kara no Kyoukai in chronological order, without ever having heard of it. |
CapsuleCoreAug 31, 2014 2:30 AM
| Speaking of cancerous threads.... Those people aside... @Zefyris FSN from Deen lacks proper characterization and portrayal of key events and ADDS random filler that make no sense to VN readers or not. FZ lacks "fanservice" scenes and one character's backstory and both dont mess the overall story. The old tv series is almost as bad as the movie, what saves it is that there is some basic transition between scenes. |
| This thread and posts here can officially give cancer. There's no way anyone sane would recommend to watch Fate/Zero first because F/0 SPOILS the majority of FSN plotlines. Either wait till october for remake(and then HF since HF requires other routes to be understood) or read the VN...ONLY THEN watch fate/zero. S73v0 said: No contest F/Z then F/SN cause of chronological order :P Nahh F/Z is good so watch that first, F/SN still haven't watched that yet but MC is a prick so I don't have high hopes. CHronological order means jack shit when one work spoils the other. FSN is meant to be experienced first. Fate/Zero is the complementary material to it. Aerodust said: If you love yourself and humanity, watch Fate/Zero first and wait for the Fate/Stay Night upcoming remake. If you love Hitler, shitposting, or just enjoy kicking kittens, watch Fate/Zero and then watch the old Fate/Stay night. Except that doing so would completely spoil majority of plotpoints in FSN remake, as well as FSN HF movie franchise that will come after it. And half of fate/zero stuff will only get a "WTF just happened" from you because all the explanations are in FSN. Watching Fate/Zero first is NEVER good idea. Sh4de said: if you're not gonna watch the old stay/night, then watch /zero first and wait for /night 2014 /zero comes first in the timeline anyway, so /night is the sequel now that they're doing a remake. I see no reason to watch /night first No, FSN is not "sequel". Fate Zero is the prequel. Zero coming first makes no sense since it spoils majority of FSN plotlines and you NEED knowledge of FSN to fully understand what the fuck is going on in Zero. Kinoko Nasu outright demanded the studio to NOT treat it as a "Sequel to Fate/Zero" but as its own work, preserving the intended watching order. |
AhenshihaelAug 31, 2014 8:49 AM
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aaron216 said: I've looked at hundreds, thousands, possibly over 9000 threads & discussions on what to watch first without a definitive answer. Well first, you-- Note: I will NOT watch/read the Visual Novel. I will NOT watch DEENs Fate/Stay night adaption and their UBW movie I am only going to watch Fate/Zero and the upcoming Fate/Stay Night 2014. Which should i watch first and second. Oh look, you answered your own question as to why you haven't found a satisfactory answer yet. |
| And I mean that in the most sexually painful way possible. |
| Yeah everyone.Fuck the narrative and the authors' words. |
Zefyris said: ^ THIS.According to Urobuchi Gen himself in the Fate/zero novels, Fate/zero was written to be read AFTER playing the visual novel. So much that for a long time, he refused for fate/zero to be published by a publishing company, keeping fate/zero as doujinshi, published privately, only available by type/moon. THat's because he didn't want people that didn't know fate visual nvel to start reading it randomly. It wasn't written with that idea in mind. He later changed his opinion on this, after he saw that there was still people who got into the fate franchise from Fate/Zero and accepted it to be released along with an anime adaptation of it. Having read the novels, I would personally agree with him that it's better to start with the original fate story, meaning, in case of anime, by something adapting the visual novel, and THEN, Fate/zero afterward. It is definitely possible to start by fate/zero. just, you aren't going to enjoy it the same I would say. BTW, I may have misread something, but I thought that the new Fate series wasn't adapting the same "road" as Deens' Fate stay night, but UBW's road instead. If that's the case, then watching the new series replace UBW's movie (which you are right to NOT watch no matter the case, as this movie is horrendous ), and not DEENs FSN. Also, I find the idea of watching F/Z first "because it's more enjoyable" or "because it's chronological order" just ridiculous. What's the point. If you watched Haruhiseries episodes, Kara no Kyoukai's movies, and Jinrui wa suitai shimashita in chronological order, you're doing it wrong, plainly. And one condition ImO for F/Z to be more enjoyable is prior knowledge of some characters and of the Fate verse. If you starts with F/Z, you won't have that. It's not impossible to start with it, but this kind of makes the point of "because it's more enjoyable" moot if you watch it in an order lowering the possibility to enjoy it, right. Thank God I don't need to rant. Zefyris said: The point is, DEEN's anime destroys the protagonist's character so much, and the VN being ALL ABOUT the protagonist, most people don't accept it. Even people who never read the VN find the anime mediocre and most of the high votes it gets that I've seen it get is because people love the romance in it..As final notes, don't search for F/zero in my watchlist, as I only read the original LN on this one. I don't feel the need to watch its animated version. Maybe one day, who knows. But LN or anime, I don't think that this change anything about the best watch/read order. Also, like someone said above, DEENs' FSN isn't half as bad as some people say it is. People who played the original visual novel may find it poorly executed, I understand that. But from my point of view, as someone who didn't play the original VN, it wasn't bad and was pretty enjoyable most of the time. I'm sure that when I'll watch Fate/zero in anime, I'll find it badly adapted as well. Why, because that story clearly wasn't made with anime adaptation in mind. They probably had to remove a lot of important scene due to them not being "proper" scenes in anime industry. And judging by the opinion of people who both read and watched it, it's indeed the case. So, on that point it may be even, maybe even worse on the Fate/zero side. |
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| You know that from "reading" the first part of Fate route. Good to know. |
Psajdak said: Yes it does matter when bad becomes shittiest of shit unlikable garbage.Shiro is so bad character that it doesn't matter which adaptation we're talking about. And when I say bad, I mean Homura from Madoka series level bad character. At least in the VN he was simply just bad and that's it. DEEN took it to a new level entirely. |
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Botato said: Psajdak said: Yes it does matter when bad becomes shittiest of shit unlikable garbage.Shiro is so bad character that it doesn't matter which adaptation we're talking about. And when I say bad, I mean Homura from Madoka series level bad character. At least in the VN he was simply just bad and that's it. DEEN took it to a new level entirely. You actually think Shirou is a "bad" character? I disagree. He's probably the most fascinating of the bunch. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
Psajdak said: Shiro is so bad character that it doesn't matter which adaptation we're talking about. And when I say bad, I mean Homura from Madoka series level bad character. Not sure if trolling or just really bad taste. |
| And I mean that in the most sexually painful way possible. |
Psajdak said: This implies that everyone hates Shirou and thinks he is a bad character.@ Botato: http://myanimelist.net/anime/356/Fate/stay_night Over 3800 favorites. Not that I'm taking number of favorites on MAL as something deciding, but that's a lot of people who could get over Shiro to enjoy this series. He is also ranked 3 in te male popularity poll of Type Moon characters. #1 place is Archer and #2 is the freaking DNA of Shiki Tonho. Those 2-3 people beat "everyone's" beloved Iskandar and other "great" characters. |
ssjokgAug 31, 2014 12:27 PM
| We are sure of that. |
Psajdak said: JabonHR said: I tried really hard to like both Shiro and Homura.Not sure if trolling or just really bad taste. In the end, the only thing I found good about them were their voice actors. Oh, well. At least we can agree Noriaki Sugiyama is a god among voice actors. Or something along those lines. |
| And I mean that in the most sexually painful way possible. |
JabonHR said: When the char is a crying emo bitch no.Psajdak said: I tried really hard to like both Shiro and Homura. In the end, the only thing I found good about them were their voice actors. Oh, well. At least we can agree Noriaki Sugiyama is a god among voice actors. Or something along those lines. We are lucky that Shirou isnt edgy like Sasuke, so the acting is a bit different. |
insan3soldiern said: No I don't think that.Botato said: Yes it does matter when bad becomes shittiest of shit unlikable garbage. At least in the VN he was simply just bad and that's it. DEEN took it to a new level entirely. You actually think Shirou is a "bad" character? I disagree. He's probably the most fascinating of the bunch. I was trying to make a point only. |
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| I see, I didn't think so. Your wording just kind of confused me, I guess. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
Botato said: Psajdak said: Yes it does matter when bad becomes shittiest of shit unlikable garbage.Shiro is so bad character that it doesn't matter which adaptation we're talking about. And when I say bad, I mean Homura from Madoka series level bad character. At least in the VN he was simply just bad and that's it. DEEN took it to a new level entirely. Even Fate shirou is great character. He might not be as strong as the other two but: Stuff like that makes him almost as good as the other two and DEEN ruined that. |
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insan3soldiern said: Yeah my bad.I see, I didn't think so. Your wording just kind of confused me, I guess. I mean, I didn't want to go into an argument as to why he is a good character, so I just "agreed" that he is bad and argued that DEEN is much, much worse. Fai said: Except for certain bad ends where Shirou is a fucking moron, ALL Shirous are great characters.Botato said: Yes it does matter when bad becomes shittiest of shit unlikable garbage. At least in the VN he was simply just bad and that's it. DEEN took it to a new level entirely. Even Fate shirou is great character. He might not be as strong as the other two but: Stuff like that makes him almost as good as the other two and DEEN ruined that. |
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| Right order should be novel route 1,2,3, (insert DEEN if you wish) and then F/Z but but with F/SN 2014, it should be 1.F/SN novel Fate route (but everyone is spoiled on everything already), 2.F/SN UBW 2014, 3.F/SN HF movies 2015/2016 (as there is certain important thing that is spoiled right away in first ep of F/Z) and only after them F/Z. I really don't know why people still don't understand when we say that first episode of F/Z spoils almost everything. Botato said: Except for certain bad ends where Shirou is a fucking moron, ALL Shirous are great characters. I disagree. Ero-scenes Shirou is such a dick. |
Mich666Aug 31, 2014 4:59 PM
Mich666 said: Botato said: Except for certain bad ends where Shirou is a fucking moron, ALL Shirous are great characters. I disagree. Ero-scenes Shirou is such a dick. Not as bad as Sir Rapesalot Shiki Tohno. |
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JabonHR said: Mich666 said: I disagree. Ero-scenes Shirou is such a dick. Not as bad as Sir Rapesalot Shiki Tohno. Haven't played Tsukihime yet but I heard A LOT of "stories" about him :] |
| Seriously, Shiki is a true dick no pun intended, really in bed. Shirou seems like a gentleman compared to Shiki, and I'm talking about the guy who jackhammered Rin. |
CapsuleCoreAug 31, 2014 5:17 PM
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JabonHR said: Mich666 said: I disagree. Ero-scenes Shirou is such a dick. Not as bad as Sir Rapesalot Shiki Tohno. To be fair |
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