Sidonia no Kishi Episode 4 Discussion

May 5, 2014 3:25 PM

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AnimageNeby said:

Wind_Falcon said:

Czechbiohazard said:
They could have avoided the mass tomato splat genocide, if they would have just sent out the entire Army to begin with.

No they couldn't have. Don't forget, with the Kabizashi spear that Nagate recovered, they have 27 in total. If they equipped everyone with them and send them out, the Gauna would have wiped them out (because remember Akai's team was the strongest and it didn't stand a chance), they would have lost the only means with which they can destroy the Gaunas, and Sidonia would have been lost.

What the captain did this episode was the only choice that ensured the maximum chance for Sidonia's survival.

Hmm. While I love the anime and the concepts it uses, somehow your explanation doesn't seem to fit very well, logically speaking.

1) If 'the Gauna would have wiped them out' if all were send to him, why do they...you know...send them all against it now? If one is sure 260 are going to be wiped out, then why would 256 be able to beat it the second time?

2) Actually, the premise of it is already wrong. One can say that AFTER the facts; because we've seen the results. Obviously, you can't know that in front. Thus, within the story, that argument doesn't fly. Because, think about it; if they were convinced - in story - on beforehand that a Gauna could wipe out 260 knights, it's absolute insane to send out 4 mechs and expect those to be able to win.

Note, that the original poster said 'to begin with'; aka, that they should have send out all the knights from the start (the first time), or, indeed, much sooner the second time. For the first hypothesis, you didn't bring any arguments forth, and for the second, you said they'll all get wiped out, but they were going to do it anyway, after the splatter and thousands of deaths, thus why not prepare for that contingency from the start?

3) Ergo, within the story/anime, it's clear they thought the team of 4 had a winning chance. That was the whole purpose of sending the team out there and giving them two spears, after all. In fact, if anything, I would say they seemingly thought it would pose little trouble for them, see my point below.

4) In fact, it was poor judgement to send only one team without any backup, period. Were they so overconfident and full of hubris that they thought that one team of 4, who never fought a Gauna before - a creature which wiped out 90% of Sidonia - would be more than enough, so not even a backup was provided? Nor even a backup-plan thought of, it would seem? They thought there was no need for any contingencies, like, what to do if they would fail, and make preliminary preparations for that? Really?

In any real military operation, this would be very hard to believe. One can speculate they lost their touch a bit after 100 years of inactivity, or they were too full of themselves, but neither options feel wholly convincing, seeing they 1)were in a state of war for 100 years and the pilots were drilled during that time, and 2) they seemed pretty nervous, including the female leader, when confronting the Gauna, which contradicts overflowing confidence a team of 4 would easily manage it.

With a back-up team of the second-bests giving extra cover, it might well have been possible to shave off enough placenta so the tentacles wouldn't reach, or the core would have exposed long enough. Granted, that too, they couldn't know beforehand, but providing for backup and redundancy, and a second team for supporting the first team, and to take over when they fail, is fairly basic in all operations, and certainly military ones.

This response turned out to be a lot bigger than I anticipated. T_T

1. They most likely wouldn't have, it was a "last resort" so to speak, a sacrifice for that 1 in million chance perhaps they could kill it.

2. It's not as insane as you think, it's better to send a small squad versus a giant army as they'll all have to be careful not to hit one another while the Gauna can just flail around for maximum damage killing many with just one swoop. There's plenty of stories, both fictional and non-fiction that shows this kind of stuff happens when you try to overpower with just sheer numbers.

A possible reason as to why they didn't send out all 260 units is that they didn't have enough time, they assumed they could simply knock it back or knock off its trajectory not knowing that the Gauna has adapted its own sort of intelligence and stayed on target. The amount of time it would have took for them to deploy all the units would have taken far too long and most likely would have ended in disaster with the Gauna directly hitting the Sidonia.
Even the pilots had thoughts of doubt, "If the best of the best easily got wiped out, won't we even be an easier target?"

3. Agreed, they were sure it would come out alright, hence why 2 spears were entrusted.

4. Yep, that's exactly what they thought. A bunch of pilots that have never truly tasted combat against a Gauna would have been wiped out so they hoped that the best team they had would be able to handle it, because even if they had back up it would have most likely still ended in disaster. Akai was the true spearhead, the problem with having a backup is that no one had the maneuverability Akai had so most likely wouldn't have even gotten close to the Gauna with that spear. The back-up plan though was to just fire another one of those giant shells at it to buy some time. They were clearly in a good position for a shot as we saw, but of course the Gauna learned since the last time it was fired upon.

This isn't a "real" military operation, this is a fictional story taken place in the future where humans, as you say have hardly needed to fight but when they do use mechs which hold a lot of firepower. The most action these guys got though were either versus each other or in those VR simulators. The girl was the biggest hole in their scheme though, the leader and Momose were both in a very deep intimate relationship and unfortunately, their feelings got the best of them. He sacrificed himself, even though he was the best chance for Sidonia to survive without casualty, but he chose the girl and perished for it. Unfortunately, the rest of the team followed suit not knowing that the girl herself had already passed as well.

The main flaw your last statement though is t hat they really didn't know what they were up against. Although it is a sound plan I agree, the most elite team didn't even expect the Gauna to grow its placenta back so quickly, if the best of the best were caught of guard by this the 'second best' squad most likely would have been even more-so too and be the first to go.

I'm not too sure this could be the big picture though, the Captain always feels to be shrouded in mystery, sometimes I feel like she does certain things purposely just to see how it plays out even if there's a risk. For example, she did not seem bothered at all when the Gauna changed trajectory for the salvage group, Tanikaze gunned for the Gauna, ignored orders and even goes beyond the "point of no return."

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May 5, 2014 3:29 PM

#152

Ckan

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Ragix said:

AnimageNeby said:

Wind_Falcon said:

Czechbiohazard said:
They could have avoided the mass tomato splat genocide, if they would have just sent out the entire Army to begin with.

No they couldn't have. Don't forget, with the Kabizashi spear that Nagate recovered, they have 27 in total. If they equipped everyone with them and send them out, the Gauna would have wiped them out (because remember Akai's team was the strongest and it didn't stand a chance), they would have lost the only means with which they can destroy the Gaunas, and Sidonia would have been lost.

What the captain did this episode was the only choice that ensured the maximum chance for Sidonia's survival.

Hmm. While I love the anime and the concepts it uses, somehow your explanation doesn't seem to fit very well, logically speaking.

1) If 'the Gauna would have wiped them out' if all were send to him, why do they...you know...send them all against it now? If one is sure 260 are going to be wiped out, then why would 256 be able to beat it the second time?

2) Actually, the premise of it is already wrong. One can say that AFTER the facts; because we've seen the results. Obviously, you can't know that in front. Thus, within the story, that argument doesn't fly. Because, think about it; if they were convinced - in story - on beforehand that a Gauna could wipe out 260 knights, it's absolute insane to send out 4 mechs and expect those to be able to win.

Note, that the original poster said 'to begin with'; aka, that they should have send out all the knights from the start (the first time), or, indeed, much sooner the second time. For the first hypothesis, you didn't bring any arguments forth, and for the second, you said they'll all get wiped out, but they were going to do it anyway, after the splatter and thousands of deaths, thus why not prepare for that contingency from the start?

3) Ergo, within the story/anime, it's clear they thought the team of 4 had a winning chance. That was the whole purpose of sending the team out there and giving them two spears, after all. In fact, if anything, I would say they seemingly thought it would pose little trouble for them, see my point below.

4) In fact, it was poor judgement to send only one team without any backup, period. Were they so overconfident and full of hubris that they thought that one team of 4, who never fought a Gauna before - a creature which wiped out 90% of Sidonia - would be more than enough, so not even a backup was provided? Nor even a backup-plan thought of, it would seem? They thought there was no need for any contingencies, like, what to do if they would fail, and make preliminary preparations for that? Really?

In any real military operation, this would be very hard to believe. One can speculate they lost their touch a bit after 100 years of inactivity, or they were too full of themselves, but neither options feel wholly convincing, seeing they 1)were in a state of war for 100 years and the pilots were drilled during that time, and 2) they seemed pretty nervous, including the female leader, when confronting the Gauna, which contradicts overflowing confidence a team of 4 would easily manage it.

With a back-up team of the second-bests giving extra cover, it might well have been possible to shave off enough placenta so the tentacles wouldn't reach, or the core would have exposed long enough. Granted, that too, they couldn't know beforehand, but providing for backup and redundancy, and a second team for supporting the first team, and to take over when they fail, is fairly basic in all operations, and certainly military ones.

This response turned out to be a lot bigger than I anticipated. T_T

1. They most likely wouldn't have, it was a "last resort" so to speak, a sacrifice for that 1 in million chance perhaps they could kill it.

2. It's not as insane as you think, it's better to send a small squad versus a giant army as they'll all have to be careful not to hit one another while the Gauna can just flail around for maximum damage killing many with just one swoop. There's plenty of stories, both fictional and non-fiction that shows this kind of stuff happens when you try to overpower with just sheer numbers.

A possible reason as to why they didn't send out all 260 units is that they didn't have enough time, they assumed they could simply knock it back or knock off its trajectory not knowing that the Gauna has adapted its own sort of intelligence and stayed on target. The amount of time it would have took for them to deploy all the units would have taken far too long and most likely would have ended in disaster with the Gauna directly hitting the Sidonia.
Even the pilots had thoughts of doubt, "If the best of the best easily got wiped out, won't we even be an easier target?"

3. Agreed, they were sure it would come out alright, hence why 2 spears were entrusted.

4. Yep, that's exactly what they thought. A bunch of pilots that have never truly tasted combat against a Gauna would have been wiped out so they hoped that the best team they had would be able to handle it, because even if they had back up it would have most likely still ended in disaster. Akai was the true spearhead, the problem with having a backup is that no one had the maneuverability Akai had so most likely wouldn't have even gotten close to the Gauna with that spear. The back-up plan though was to just fire another one of those giant shells at it to buy some time. They were clearly in a good position for a shot as we saw, but of course the Gauna learned since the last time it was fired upon.

This isn't a "real" military operation, this is a fictional story taken place in the future where humans, as you say have hardly needed to fight but when they do use mechs which hold a lot of firepower. The most action these guys got though were either versus each other or in those VR simulators. The girl was the biggest hole in their scheme though, the leader and Momose were both in a very deep intimate relationship and unfortunately, their feelings got the best of them. He sacrificed himself, even though he was the best chance for Sidonia to survive without casualty, but he chose the girl and perished for it. Unfortunately, the rest of the team followed suit not knowing that the girl herself had already passed as well.

The main flaw your last statement though is t hat they really didn't know what they were up against. Although it is a sound plan I agree, the most elite team didn't even expect the Gauna to grow its placenta back so quickly, if the best of the best were caught of guard by this the 'second best' squad most likely would have been even more-so too and be the first to go.

I'm not too sure this could be the big picture though, the Captain always feels to be shrouded in mystery, sometimes I feel like she does certain things purposely just to see how it plays out even if there's a risk. For example, she did not seem bothered at all when the Gauna changed trajectory for the salvage group, Tanikaze gunned for the Gauna, ignored orders and even goes beyond the "point of no return."

And here I was, about to start typing out a reply. Thank you for saving me the trouble, well-reasoned fellow Sir Mod.

After seeing the launch sequence again in this episode, I don't think there's any denying that the CG was the perfect choice for this show.

CkanMay 5, 2014 3:32 PM

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May 5, 2014 4:21 PM

#153

Ragix

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Ckan said:

Ragix said:

AnimageNeby said:

Wind_Falcon said:

Czechbiohazard said:
They could have avoided the mass tomato splat genocide, if they would have just sent out the entire Army to begin with.

No they couldn't have. Don't forget, with the Kabizashi spear that Nagate recovered, they have 27 in total. If they equipped everyone with them and send them out, the Gauna would have wiped them out (because remember Akai's team was the strongest and it didn't stand a chance), they would have lost the only means with which they can destroy the Gaunas, and Sidonia would have been lost.

What the captain did this episode was the only choice that ensured the maximum chance for Sidonia's survival.

Hmm. While I love the anime and the concepts it uses, somehow your explanation doesn't seem to fit very well, logically speaking.

1) If 'the Gauna would have wiped them out' if all were send to him, why do they...you know...send them all against it now? If one is sure 260 are going to be wiped out, then why would 256 be able to beat it the second time?

2) Actually, the premise of it is already wrong. One can say that AFTER the facts; because we've seen the results. Obviously, you can't know that in front. Thus, within the story, that argument doesn't fly. Because, think about it; if they were convinced - in story - on beforehand that a Gauna could wipe out 260 knights, it's absolute insane to send out 4 mechs and expect those to be able to win.

Note, that the original poster said 'to begin with'; aka, that they should have send out all the knights from the start (the first time), or, indeed, much sooner the second time. For the first hypothesis, you didn't bring any arguments forth, and for the second, you said they'll all get wiped out, but they were going to do it anyway, after the splatter and thousands of deaths, thus why not prepare for that contingency from the start?

3) Ergo, within the story/anime, it's clear they thought the team of 4 had a winning chance. That was the whole purpose of sending the team out there and giving them two spears, after all. In fact, if anything, I would say they seemingly thought it would pose little trouble for them, see my point below.

4) In fact, it was poor judgement to send only one team without any backup, period. Were they so overconfident and full of hubris that they thought that one team of 4, who never fought a Gauna before - a creature which wiped out 90% of Sidonia - would be more than enough, so not even a backup was provided? Nor even a backup-plan thought of, it would seem? They thought there was no need for any contingencies, like, what to do if they would fail, and make preliminary preparations for that? Really?

In any real military operation, this would be very hard to believe. One can speculate they lost their touch a bit after 100 years of inactivity, or they were too full of themselves, but neither options feel wholly convincing, seeing they 1)were in a state of war for 100 years and the pilots were drilled during that time, and 2) they seemed pretty nervous, including the female leader, when confronting the Gauna, which contradicts overflowing confidence a team of 4 would easily manage it.

With a back-up team of the second-bests giving extra cover, it might well have been possible to shave off enough placenta so the tentacles wouldn't reach, or the core would have exposed long enough. Granted, that too, they couldn't know beforehand, but providing for backup and redundancy, and a second team for supporting the first team, and to take over when they fail, is fairly basic in all operations, and certainly military ones.

This response turned out to be a lot bigger than I anticipated. T_T

1. They most likely wouldn't have, it was a "last resort" so to speak, a sacrifice for that 1 in million chance perhaps they could kill it.

2. It's not as insane as you think, it's better to send a small squad versus a giant army as they'll all have to be careful not to hit one another while the Gauna can just flail around for maximum damage killing many with just one swoop. There's plenty of stories, both fictional and non-fiction that shows this kind of stuff happens when you try to overpower with just sheer numbers.

A possible reason as to why they didn't send out all 260 units is that they didn't have enough time, they assumed they could simply knock it back or knock off its trajectory not knowing that the Gauna has adapted its own sort of intelligence and stayed on target. The amount of time it would have took for them to deploy all the units would have taken far too long and most likely would have ended in disaster with the Gauna directly hitting the Sidonia.
Even the pilots had thoughts of doubt, "If the best of the best easily got wiped out, won't we even be an easier target?"

3. Agreed, they were sure it would come out alright, hence why 2 spears were entrusted.

4. Yep, that's exactly what they thought. A bunch of pilots that have never truly tasted combat against a Gauna would have been wiped out so they hoped that the best team they had would be able to handle it, because even if they had back up it would have most likely still ended in disaster. Akai was the true spearhead, the problem with having a backup is that no one had the maneuverability Akai had so most likely wouldn't have even gotten close to the Gauna with that spear. The back-up plan though was to just fire another one of those giant shells at it to buy some time. They were clearly in a good position for a shot as we saw, but of course the Gauna learned since the last time it was fired upon.

This isn't a "real" military operation, this is a fictional story taken place in the future where humans, as you say have hardly needed to fight but when they do use mechs which hold a lot of firepower. The most action these guys got though were either versus each other or in those VR simulators. The girl was the biggest hole in their scheme though, the leader and Momose were both in a very deep intimate relationship and unfortunately, their feelings got the best of them. He sacrificed himself, even though he was the best chance for Sidonia to survive without casualty, but he chose the girl and perished for it. Unfortunately, the rest of the team followed suit not knowing that the girl herself had already passed as well.

The main flaw your last statement though is t hat they really didn't know what they were up against. Although it is a sound plan I agree, the most elite team didn't even expect the Gauna to grow its placenta back so quickly, if the best of the best were caught of guard by this the 'second best' squad most likely would have been even more-so too and be the first to go.

I'm not too sure this could be the big picture though, the Captain always feels to be shrouded in mystery, sometimes I feel like she does certain things purposely just to see how it plays out even if there's a risk. For example, she did not seem bothered at all when the Gauna changed trajectory for the salvage group, Tanikaze gunned for the Gauna, ignored orders and even goes beyond the "point of no return."

And here I was, about to start typing out a reply. Thank you for saving me the trouble, well-reasoned fellow Sir Mod.

After seeing the launch sequence again in this episode, I don't think there's any denying that the CG was the perfect choice for this show.

No. Thank you, fellow user of MAL!

Agreed, the character models took some getting used to, but the great use of the CGI during scenes like that took me aback. If we can get more of that I don't mind at all. I'm not sure if this anime is just that good or if I'm just easily impressed as I haven't touched a real mecha anime since I was a kid watching Gundam on Toonami. Either way, I think it's time for me to embrace the mecha genre.

Touch me, you filthy casual~

May 5, 2014 4:46 PM

#154

Ckan

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Ragix said:

Ckan said:
After seeing the launch sequence again in this episode, I don't think there's any denying that the CG was the perfect choice for this show.

Agreed, the character models took some getting used to, but the great use of the CGI during scenes like that took me aback. If we can get more of that I don't mind at all. I'm not sure if this anime is just that good or if I'm just easily impressed as I haven't touched a real mecha anime since I was a kid watching Gundam on Toonami. Either way, I think it's time for me to embrace the mecha genre.

That raises an interesting question.

On the balance of things, I think we can say that Sidonia (up till now) is a very solid, and above-average mecha anime. In recent years (from what I've seen), there've been a decent offering of 'solid' mecha anime (Gargantia, Majestic Prince, Star Diver, Break Blade, Gundam Unicorn, etc.), but these have all lacked the strong 'sci-fi' focus and hard-realism of Sidonia.

In Sidonia, we've got good pacing, a large and varied cast that avoidis most of the traditional and perhaps overexaggerated 'anime-isms', as well as an interesting, detailed setting.

These pros, (which we might categorise as the 'writing'), we can ascribe to the manga source material - something which the majority of mecha anime traditionally lacked. This seems like an important point to me, as a good number of mecha anime seem to suffer from uneven story direction and focus - often falling back on cliches and easy melodrama.

Of course, all of this would be pointless if the visual and audio adaptation to screen was no good, but I think most of us can agree that they've done a fantastic job so far. Perhaps the only misgiving is in the 'stiff' CG character models. Otherwise, everything has been adequate, or above the call.

TL;DR - I think Sidonia has been a stand-out mecha anime (so far).

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May 6, 2014 12:41 AM

#155

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Ckan said:

Ragix said:

Ckan said:
After seeing the launch sequence again in this episode, I don't think there's any denying that the CG was the perfect choice for this show.

Agreed, the character models took some getting used to, but the great use of the CGI during scenes like that took me aback. If we can get more of that I don't mind at all. I'm not sure if this anime is just that good or if I'm just easily impressed as I haven't touched a real mecha anime since I was a kid watching Gundam on Toonami. Either way, I think it's time for me to embrace the mecha genre.

That raises an interesting question.

On the balance of things, I think we can say that Sidonia (up till now) is a very solid, and above-average mecha anime. In recent years (from what I've seen), there've been a decent offering of 'solid' mecha anime (Gargantia, Majestic Prince, Star Diver, Break Blade, Gundam Unicorn, etc.), but these have all lacked the strong 'sci-fi' focus and hard-realism of Sidonia.

In Sidonia, we've got good pacing, a large and varied cast that avoidis most of the traditional and perhaps overexaggerated 'anime-isms', as well as an interesting, detailed setting.

These pros, (which we might categorise as the 'writing'), we can ascribe to the manga source material - something which the majority of mecha anime traditionally lacked. This seems like an important point to me, as a good number of mecha anime seem to suffer from uneven story direction and focus - often falling back on cliches and easy melodrama.

Of course, all of this would be pointless if the visual and audio adaptation to screen was no good, but I think most of us can agree that they've done a fantastic job so far. Perhaps the only misgiving is in the 'stiff' CG character models. Otherwise, everything has been adequate, or above the call.

TL;DR - I think Sidonia has been a stand-out mecha anime (so far).

Yes mr. Robo-kun I think what Sidonia has is uniqueness. It also does its world building very well, being believable while still providing many interesting sci-fi ideas. And I think that is largely due to the fact that Nihei is the writer.

May 6, 2014 6:33 AM

#156

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5/5

With only 12 episodes, it will be hard to see a storyline that is not abused for the sake of playing time.
While "not" having a plot shimmering light of its own, the story has that makes it interesting and also makes possible an emotional involvement to those facts.
Plot very stingy with positive feelings, a lot of people really die and the living are also carrion, starting Kunato who does not hesitate to make shoes in Nagate to show off.
Some obscure points keep in check my mind, about the Gauna.
I await the next episode with infinite pleasure.

May 6, 2014 8:37 AM

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i really enjoying the OP of this anime, remind me of Attack on Titan

im dacing while listening to Op lol

May 7, 2014 8:08 PM

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I was lol'ing when people were splattering against the walls.

Am I a bad person?

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May 7, 2014 10:08 PM

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DerpHole said:
I was lol'ing when people were splattering against the walls.

Am I a bad person?

Bad no. A person who respects Newton's Laws of Motion, yes.

May 8, 2014 7:34 PM

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The early part of this episode really messed me up for a minute. I know that sometimes in order to save the masses, a few must die, but seeing all of those people falling from windows and slamming against buildings was almost unbearable to watch.

I can't help but love Nagate! Looks like I'm not the only one. Even the asexual one seems to have the hots for him. Not sure how that would work though. If one is neither male, nor female, are both reproductive organs present or none at all?

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May 8, 2014 8:09 PM

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Hannah_Ana said:
I can't help but love Nagate! Looks like I'm not the only one. Even the asexual one seems to have the hots for him. Not sure how that would work though. If one is neither male, nor female, are both reproductive organs present or none at all?

As far as I know, they don't have any. People with the third gender undergo a kind of "metamorphosis" when they choose what they want to be.

May 9, 2014 5:30 AM

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Man this episode was awesome! :D

May 9, 2014 5:35 PM

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Tanikaze is a fucking beast.

May 14, 2014 1:12 PM

#164

Claude_Kenny

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LOL at Kunato trying to take the credit for finding the Kabizashi from Nagate so desperately, what an asshole..

Keep moving forward

May 14, 2014 3:39 PM

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Those people splatting on the wall of the other buildings during the acceleration was a weird sight, but I don`t mind some realism.
It was truly Nagate`s time and I loved every bit. Also that he did not think much and just followed his instincts.

May 15, 2014 7:47 PM

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Damn, Sidonia is almost Attack on Titan-esque when it comes to the body count. Granted, pretty much everyone who died this week was a nameless extra who was too stupid or too unlucky to manage to make their way to a guardrail in time. And the whole maneuver turned out to be pointless, since the Gauna just turned around and went for them again anyway. That masked Captain really isn't very good at her job ...

May 15, 2014 8:02 PM

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Rice

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Blind_Guardian said:
And the whole maneuver turned out to be pointless, since the Gauna just turned around and went for them again anyway. That masked Captain really isn't very good at her job ...

I hardly see how it was "pointless"...

May 18, 2014 4:02 AM

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Blind_Guardian said:
And the whole maneuver turned out to be pointless, since the Gauna just turned around and went for them again anyway. That masked Captain really isn't very good at her job ...

One does not simply "turn around" when barreling 100,000 MPH through space.

May 18, 2014 4:19 AM

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The first part was hard to watch. All the screaming and people splattering on the walls...that was messed up. And what's even more messed up is that a part of me thought it was awesome.

Preview doesn't look good for Izana. Step up your game girl...uh...man...it... >__<

"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness."

"May those who defy their fate be granted glory."

Jun 7, 2014 3:06 AM

#170

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he just made that look easy

Jun 30, 2014 2:12 PM

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Lmao @ the people splatting all over the place during the gravitational shift (especially at the guy that didn't latch on,he just kept bouncing off the walls).

Time for Nagate to save Shizuka (and have some alone time).Can't decide who I like better Shizuka or Izana.

Jun 30, 2014 2:14 PM

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VanishingKira said:
Lmao @ the people splatting all over the place during the gravitational shift (especially at the guy that didn't latch on,he just kept bouncing off the walls).

Time for Nagate to save Shizuka (and have some alone time).Can't decide who I like better Shizuka or Izana.

can't decide? why not both then?

Jul 2, 2014 4:54 PM

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I think a space-faring society that is ready to genetically engineer and clone its population would probably accept procreation with multiple partners for individuals with valuable genetic traits like Nagata.

tl;dr Give him his harem...

Please don't feed the trolls!

In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student
carrying a piece of toast in her mouth...rodac

Jul 4, 2014 5:52 PM

#174

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That was godlike

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Jul 6, 2014 7:43 PM

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Splat.

Jul 10, 2014 8:04 AM

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Splat sound effect was too much, I tried not to laugh. Great episode anyways.

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Jul 11, 2014 9:25 PM

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hmmm im guessing after this they will have to think of a better plan then strap on the wall. I mean this is the last of the human race cant have them all splat :p. I find it funny how nagate had a flashback that he wasint there for. Pretty cool moment seeing the monster up close with that creppy face. Also no worrys Nagate proboly has main character armor he will be fine.

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Jul 11, 2014 9:28 PM

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Hannah_Ana said:
The early part of this episode really messed me up for a minute. I know that sometimes in order to save the masses, a few must die, but seeing all of those people falling from windows and slamming against buildings was almost unbearable to watch.

I can't help but love Nagate! Looks like I'm not the only one. Even the asexual one seems to have the hots for him. Not sure how that would work though. If one is neither male, nor female, are both reproductive organs present or none at all?

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Well she said her body will make the choice depending on the situation. I say she since going by the situation the non gender is atracted to a boy so im guessing more on the female side. Though im curious before the change happen are they like dolls or something.

Jul 16, 2014 9:25 PM

#179

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The detail in this anime is insane! I almost feel like I'm watching a CGI movie. Intense episode, all of those body bags and blood splats.. damn.

Jul 27, 2014 11:10 AM

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Great episode. Nagate is awesome, he managed to take down the Gauna himself. Hopefully he suceeds in saving Hoshjiro.

Aug 2, 2014 8:27 PM

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HOLY SHIT THAT WAS THE BEST THING I HAVE SEEN IN A WHILE!!!!! The Music and Sound effects were PERFECTO!!!!~~ The BGM turned up the suspense and the sound effects were detailed and weren't repetitive! The scenes with the people dying! DAMN!!! THAT WAS HORRIBLE BUTGOOD! Pacing perfect, scientific terminology perfect! DEFINITELY not a typical Mecha series.

This might be an 8 depending on what happens next

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Aug 27, 2014 7:49 AM

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Stark700 said:
I liked the tense moments of this episode but damn, so many deaths...SPLAT..

that was awesome, no mercy at all for the population, but seriously that was badass.. going in for the kill and making it.

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Sep 30, 2014 2:54 PM

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And again, we have main hero who is winning through disobeying direct orders. And of course it had to be him who destroyed Gauna.

This episode wasn't bad and I actually liked it but there were rather many little details that I was facepalming over. It seems to me that author doesn't care about any elementary logic if it servers the situation.

By the way, was there a reason why Gauna missed the ship after that maneuver? It's the sentient being, right? If it attacked those battle ships why it didn't attack mothership when passing by?

- you wanted me to believe that those safety pipes would be anything helpful in situation like that? and why to have such strong steering thrusters that can destroy whole ship in the first place?
- was there really the reason for doing such dangerous maneuver after first squad destruction in the first place? I mean, they could simply ordered someone to fight gauna meanwhile and turn mothership more slowly meanwhile. Yes, those selected (or volunteers) would most likely died but at least it would give them the chance to react. They did literally nothing to prevent those losses.
- why the heck are they retrieving the missing ship if they are risking four different ones? (and when one small ship is totally capable of destroying Gauna). Or was it the spear they were after? But even then, why didn't mothership simply moved into area to collect them?

Again and again, there is one bad decision after other causing those problems, they brought it upon them by themselves. I really don't know how they manage to survive in space such long time if they have such deficiencies in command and discipline.

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Oct 13, 2014 6:19 PM

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I think this episode is not bad, i am not sure about physics but when sidonia is using the thruster, the city can not maintain its artificial gravitational, hence they all must use the safety belt, its the same when you wear safety belt in a fast moving car.

The gauna and sidonia travelling fast, its hard to change course, thats why the captain ask to on 1 thruster first to change course. Captain doesnt want to take any risk for the gauna to enter the sidonia thats why she insist to use the thruster. Anyway their best pilots got obliterated moral of the rest of the pilots are down atm.

They want to retreive the kabizashi, cause they have limited weapon capable to destroying gauna.

Nov 26, 2014 12:00 PM

#185

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Nice kill! Pretty nice action and development as well! Let's see what's next!

Dec 6, 2014 9:19 PM

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FunnyRatman

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Wow. This was fucking intense...

6/5

Dec 8, 2014 7:51 AM

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Nice action scene there..
Seems like he totally fall for her lol.

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Feb 15, 2015 11:20 AM

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If there were only more railings to hold onto

Feb 17, 2015 9:38 AM

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Another death filled episode, still very intense. Nagate is pretty awesome, taking down the Gauna by himself and then going off to rescue his friend.

Mar 25, 2015 7:14 PM

#190

m-i-c-h-a-e-l

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Well! it seems this show isnt afraid to slaughter characters by the handful.

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May 23, 2015 3:09 PM

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They made a spacial station which cannot change the direction without critical damages and a lot of splat...

May 23, 2015 10:06 PM

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Rignak said:
They made a spacial station which cannot change the direction without critical damages and a lot of splat...

Dude, it's a thousand year old ship. What'd you expect?

Jun 10, 2015 4:04 PM

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Amazing episode.

So that's why they needed those bars for safety in case they do evasive maneuvers like that.

Yeah so many people being splatted on the walls and floors :O

Finally Tanikaze went badass! Glad Hoshijiro is safe and sound. Kunato is still an ass for trying take over the mission.

Now people know how capable Tanikaze is. Can't wait to see Kunato's reaction in all of this!

Great stuff!! Can't wait for the next episode!

Jun 22, 2015 6:49 PM

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The best replies have already been posted! Intense episode; loved it!

Jul 21, 2015 6:43 PM

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Even better episode that the last one!

Tanikaze is great, and I love that he isn't afraid to do what needs to be done, despite disobeying orders. A little cliche perhaps? But hey, I was entertained! All those splatting people though... messy stuff, that was....

Awesome! 5/5

Jul 29, 2015 1:39 AM

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poor planning and lack of any immediate support led to the levi squad being wiped and heavy casualties on board

starting to like this cgi style, despite the low FPS

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Aug 9, 2015 1:55 PM

#197

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:O
breathless
impressive horrorific!!

Aug 12, 2015 11:25 PM

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All those people dying made me cry. Dam this anime is harsh.

Sep 1, 2015 2:05 AM

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That first half was brutal to watch. I didn't think they would actually show people going splat.

The mech fights are amazing to watch as usual.

Sep 11, 2015 8:13 AM

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Veldarth said:

ex_necross said:

It's a harem because a few chicks like him? I must have a harem then, by that definition.

Let's see:

Yeah, it is a harem. Not a conventional one though.

Having female characters= harem

That is retarded

Amazing episode.

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