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Apr 22, 2014 5:26 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:
Oda has many more things hidden throughout his story that shows how much he plans, has a larger story(more characters, events, etc), and has already confirmed that he knows how it will end. And he gets chapters out every week.


That's like comparing apples and oranges. People are all different and they work in different ways. I can't really attest to Oda's quality since I haven't seen One Piece but I am sure he works very hard and he also has pretty solid writing from what I've heard. Oda has shown that he can continuously push himself to his limits while writing and it works for him. But that does not mean it works for Togashi.

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No to mention the fact that Togashi is already a veteran mangaka, and that he made a complete long-running battle shounen manga in the past (Yu Yu Hakusho) working on a weekly basis.
He's not an amateur and HxH is not his first series.


Just because you have written another series doesn't mean you necessarily get better or accustomed to planning and working on a schedule. I have taken classes that require me to write a lot in its time span. Twice I week I would be writing an almost full-length short story. But now, after that class has ended and I have been given more time, and also considering that the story I am working on now is a different "monster" to say the least, things have halted and become much slower.

But does that mean I don't have work ethic towards my writing? I surely hope not since I have stuck to it for more than 5 years. I feel the same can be applied to Togashi, he has stuck to HxH for a long time. I feel like he truly cares about HxH and he is pouring every idea he has into it and trying to make it the best that he can. That is why it is taking so long to finish.
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Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh?


The people who made Last of Us most likely make other games you know. And Call of Duty probably have a bigger team to make those games.

Togashi takes months/years of hiatus and when he comes back, he can publish pages that look like that:

http://shonenbeam.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hxh-c252p12.png
http://blog.hachimitsu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/hxh8.png

If I can't call that bad work ethics, I don't know what I could call bad work ethics.

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As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot of time to write something. I have been planning things for my own story for years, making sure I have everything figured out so I don't end up with a plot hole later. When I change something, lots of other things like characters and events need to be changed as well, resulting in even more time investment. If Togashi is anything like me in terms of writing, I do not blame him for his hiatuses. For all you know, he could have planned the rest of the series and yet all he has are fans that just say he's lazy like they know everything.


How do you explain the low quality of some of his drawings when he comes back? If anything, he has more time than the other author to do it.

Oh god, the drawnings... Please don't make me remenber, i still have nightmares...
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xmaikokoro said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Oda has many more things hidden throughout his story that shows how much he plans, has a larger story(more characters, events, etc), and has already confirmed that he knows how it will end. And he gets chapters out every week.


That's like comparing apples and oranges. People are all different and they work in different ways. I can't really attest to Oda's quality since I haven't seen One Piece but I am sure he works very hard and he also has pretty solid writing from what I've heard. Oda has shown that he can continuously push himself to his limits while writing and it works for him. But that does not mean it works for Togashi.
No, it's literally comparing a manga's story to another manga's story. And I do agree that people work in different ways, one person trying hard might not be able to match against another person barely trying, but that doesn't mean he is working hard just because he's working differently.
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Laziness aside it's pretty unprofessional. If he is really the type of person that can't work quickly by nature then he should accept that and shouldn't keep trying to draw stuff for a weekly shounen manga. There is nothing wrong with smaller mature stories like those of Asano Inio and such. Plus he doesn't give a shit about his fans.

Tbh he should really just write books instead.
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judals said:
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So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you.

Slacking off is subjective.
For instance, Big 3 authors are lazy for not writing good enough imo.
They can farm all year, crop is still not good.


Writing "good enough" is also subjective.
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SetsukoHara said:

How do you explain the low quality of some of his drawings when he comes back? If anything, he has more time than the other author to do it.


I can't say for sure but if Togashi believes that the least important aspect of the story is the art, he might do that especially if it means that he can release the series for his readers on a timely basis instead of possibly delaying his releases and angering his already impatient audience.

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xmaikokoro said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Oda has many more things hidden throughout his story that shows how much he plans, has a larger story(more characters, events, etc), and has already confirmed that he knows how it will end. And he gets chapters out every week.


That's like comparing apples and oranges. People are all different and they work in different ways. I can't really attest to Oda's quality since I haven't seen One Piece but I am sure he works very hard and he also has pretty solid writing from what I've heard. Oda has shown that he can continuously push himself to his limits while writing and it works for him. But that does not mean it works for Togashi.
No, it's literally comparing a manga's story to another manga's story. And I do agree that people work in different ways, one person trying hard might not be able to match against another person barely trying, but that doesn't mean he is working hard just because he's working differently.


I'm not trying to compare the stories. Despite how badly written a story is, you cannot reject the fact that the author might have put a lot of effort into it. The same can be true for good stories. To one author, it may come quickly and effortlessly, but to another, it takes a lot of time and effort.

Of course not. But that does not mean you can reject the potential fact that he might be working. Like I said in my other post, I said you cannot truly know if he is lazy. Only Togashi knows himself. But judging him to be lazy without actually knowing him personally and knowing every bit of detail of his life and how he spends it, makes people come off as self-entitled.
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Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh?


The people who made Last of Us most likely make other games you know. And Call of Duty probably have a bigger team to make those games.

Togashi takes months/years of hiatus and when he comes back, he can publish pages that look like that:

http://shonenbeam.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hxh-c252p12.png
http://blog.hachimitsu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/hxh8.png

If I can't call that bad work ethics, I don't know what I could call bad work ethics.

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As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot of time to write something. I have been planning things for my own story for years, making sure I have everything figured out so I don't end up with a plot hole later. When I change something, lots of other things like characters and events need to be changed as well, resulting in even more time investment. If Togashi is anything like me in terms of writing, I do not blame him for his hiatuses. For all you know, he could have planned the rest of the series and yet all he has are fans that just say he's lazy like they know everything.


How do you explain the low quality of some of his drawings when he comes back? If anything, he has more time than the other author to do it.

Oh god, the drawnings... Please don't make me remenber, i still have nightmares...


If you look carefully, the first picture makes it look like Knov is jacking off. The second one needs a TL;DR section (just kidding, Welfin needs more love).

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If you look carefully, the first picture makes it look like Knov is jacking off.
Cannot unsee.
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SolBlade said:
Andan210 said:
SetsukoHara said:
judals said:


Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh?


The people who made Last of Us most likely make other games you know. And Call of Duty probably have a bigger team to make those games.

Togashi takes months/years of hiatus and when he comes back, he can publish pages that look like that:

http://shonenbeam.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hxh-c252p12.png
http://blog.hachimitsu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/hxh8.png

If I can't call that bad work ethics, I don't know what I could call bad work ethics.

SetsukoHara said:
xmaikokoro said:

As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot of time to write something. I have been planning things for my own story for years, making sure I have everything figured out so I don't end up with a plot hole later. When I change something, lots of other things like characters and events need to be changed as well, resulting in even more time investment. If Togashi is anything like me in terms of writing, I do not blame him for his hiatuses. For all you know, he could have planned the rest of the series and yet all he has are fans that just say he's lazy like they know everything.


How do you explain the low quality of some of his drawings when he comes back? If anything, he has more time than the other author to do it.

Oh god,
the drawnings... Please don't make me remenber, i still have nightmares...

If you look carefully, the first picture makes it look like Knov is jacking off. The second one needs a TL;DR section (just kidding, Welfin needs more love).

Now we know why Knov was so scared that time...
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jpem said:
Laziness aside it's pretty unprofessional. If he is really the type of person that can't work quickly by nature then he should accept that and shouldn't keep trying to draw stuff for a weekly shounen manga. There is nothing wrong with smaller mature stories like those of Asano Inio and such.

Tbh he should really just write books instead.

He should just follow Araki's steps and take HxH to the Ultra Jump magazine and make the series monthly. That way he can work in a more confortable way, and maybe even improve the art and drawnings.
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Plus he doesn't give a shit about his fans.

So much true.
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Andan210 said:
judals said:
Andan210 said:
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@kcaco
So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you.

Slacking off is subjective.
For instance, Big 3 authors are lazy for not writing good enough imo.
They can farm all year, crop is still not good.

Subjective opinions are also subjective.
You can complain all you want about the Big 3, but you can't deny that all three mangakas do the job they are suppossed to do. And also that is obvious that they love what they are doing and appreciate the support of their fans. That's way more than what i can say of Togashi.
Still, we are not talking about them, we're talking abot HxH. Bringing the examples of other mangakas here will only show how lazy Togashi is, besides starting more flame wars.


To me their job was to make a good story, but their lack of work ethics makes them milk their shows without taste, since hey, still getting money.

Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh?

Again, that's just your opinion. Work ethic is an objective value and is measured by hard work and diligence. Togashi lacks it. There's nothing more to it.

You keep bringing Call of Duty examples. I should say i don't play video games...

So what I say is subjective and what you say is objective? Nah.

You want to call that bad work ethics? I call being a less than good writer so.
Because a truly ethical man would not sell his fans broken work, and broken art is nothing since we have anime, but broken story and ideas will not change.
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judals said:
Andan210 said:
judals said:
Andan210 said:
judals said:
Andan210 said:
@kcaco
So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you.

Slacking off is subjective.
For instance, Big 3 authors are lazy for not writing good enough imo.
They can farm all year, crop is still not good.

Subjective opinions are also subjective.
You can complain all you want about the Big 3, but you can't deny that all three mangakas do the job they are suppossed to do. And also that is obvious that they love what they are doing and appreciate the support of their fans. That's way more than what i can say of Togashi.
Still, we are not talking about them, we're talking abot HxH. Bringing the examples of other mangakas here will only show how lazy Togashi is, besides starting more flame wars.


To me their job was to make a good story, but their lack of work ethics makes them milk their shows without taste, since hey, still getting money.

Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh?

Again, that's just your opinion. Work ethic is an objective value and is measured by hard work and diligence. Togashi lacks it. There's nothing more to it.

You keep bringing Call of Duty examples. I should say i don't play video games...

So what I say is subjective and what you say is objective? Nah.

You want to call that bad work ethics? I call being a less than good writer so.
Because a truly ethical man would not sell his fans broken work, and broken art is nothing since we have anime, but broken story and ideas will not change.

Since you're using a subjective and personal definition for "work ethics", while i'm using the real one, yeah.

And for the last time, i'm not talking about the quality of the series or comparing it with any other. I'm just stating the fact that, from a neutral and rational point of view, Togashi doesn't show a responsable conduct as a mangaka. In short, he lacks work ethics.
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Andan210 said:
judals said:
Andan210 said:
judals said:
Andan210 said:
judals said:
Andan210 said:
@kcaco
So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you.

Slacking off is subjective.
For instance, Big 3 authors are lazy for not writing good enough imo.
They can farm all year, crop is still not good.

Subjective opinions are also subjective.
You can complain all you want about the Big 3, but you can't deny that all three mangakas do the job they are suppossed to do. And also that is obvious that they love what they are doing and appreciate the support of their fans. That's way more than what i can say of Togashi.
Still, we are not talking about them, we're talking abot HxH. Bringing the examples of other mangakas here will only show how lazy Togashi is, besides starting more flame wars.


To me their job was to make a good story, but their lack of work ethics makes them milk their shows without taste, since hey, still getting money.

Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh?

Again, that's just your opinion. Work ethic is an objective value and is measured by hard work and diligence. Togashi lacks it. There's nothing more to it.

You keep bringing Call of Duty examples. I should say i don't play video games...

So what I say is subjective and what you say is objective? Nah.

You want to call that bad work ethics? I call being a less than good writer so.
Because a truly ethical man would not sell his fans broken work, and broken art is nothing since we have anime, but broken story and ideas will not change.

Since you're using a subjective and personal definition for "work ethics", while i'm using the real one, yeah.

And for the last time, i'm not talking about the quality of the series or comparing it with any other. I'm just stating the fact that, from a neutral and rational point of view, Togashi doesn't show a responsable conduct as a mangaka. In short, he lacks work ethics.


Think I'm using a real one; from a neutral point of view, Togashi is the only one to how a responsible conduct as a mangaka, providing quality story as product rather than dumbed down, pretty-looking drafts with hardly any substance.
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How delusional can someone be.
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You only say that because you're biased toward one of the manga I'm criticizing.

I could also say anyone against me is delusional, but I'm not a kid.
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No, it's quite the opposite.
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Uh huh....
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judals said:
Andan210 said:
judals said:
Andan210 said:
judals said:
Andan210 said:
judals said:
Andan210 said:
@kcaco
So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you.

Slacking off is subjective.
For instance, Big 3 authors are lazy for not writing good enough imo.
They can farm all year, crop is still not good.

Subjective opinions are also subjective.
You can complain all you want about the Big 3, but you can't deny that all three mangakas do the job they are suppossed to do. And also that is obvious that they love what they are doing and appreciate the support of their fans. That's way more than what i can say of Togashi.
Still, we are not talking about them, we're talking abot HxH. Bringing the examples of other mangakas here will only show how lazy Togashi is, besides starting more flame wars.


To me their job was to make a good story, but their lack of work ethics makes them milk their shows without taste, since hey, still getting money.

Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh?

Again, that's just your opinion. Work ethic is an objective value and is measured by hard work and diligence. Togashi lacks it. There's nothing more to it.

You keep bringing Call of Duty examples. I should say i don't play video games...

So what I say is subjective and what you say is objective? Nah.

You want to call that bad work ethics? I call being a less than good writer so.
Because a truly ethical man would not sell his fans broken work, and broken art is nothing since we have anime, but broken story and ideas will not change.

Since you're using a subjective and personal definition for "work ethics", while i'm using the real one, yeah.

And for the last time, i'm not talking about the quality of the series or comparing it with any other. I'm just stating the fact that, from a neutral and rational point of view, Togashi doesn't show a responsable conduct as a mangaka. In short, he lacks work ethics.


Think I'm using a real one; from a neutral point of view, Togashi is the only one to how a responsible conduct as a mangaka, providing quality story as product rather than dumbed down, pretty-looking drafts with hardly any substance.

Ok, we're not getting anywhere here. All this discussion is not going to get back the 9 years Togashi has lost in hiatus, nor is going to make his shitty art any better. I'm just going to say that Togashi is one hell of a lazy fucker and that any mangaka i can think of (except for Miura, obviously) has 10000000000000x more work ethics than him. ANY mangaka.
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You only say that because you're biased toward one of the manga I'm criticizing.

I could also say anyone against me is delusional, but I'm not a kid.

And you're biased towards HxH, and biased against the Big 3.
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Liking something more than another is not bias, but okay. I'm not hiding the fact that I think they are mediocre, and I don't have to sugar-coat it to sound "neutral", this is how it is. I'm showing a point, where I use this thought.

Look at jpem's generic meme talk, that's bias.

Yes, any mangaka, but Togashi's not "anyone", he's different, he and Mirua. The issue is that you have a very simple understanding of what work ethics are. I wish they were as straightforward as the amount of chapters released for me.
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What a surprise, the first thing I see in the comment sections is that judals is picking pointless arguments... glad to see things haven't changed.

For me this is both good and bad news.... well not as much bad just kinda the reality of what is to come. Yes, of course it is great that Hunter x Hunter is back, there is virtually no down side to this. However, it sucks to see that he is 1) coming off of his longest hiatus to date and 2) the simple fact that said hiatus lasted about 2 years. Togashi usually does his spurts of chapters in increments of 10 so if he produces any less than 20 chapters it would almost be like a slap in the face after such a long break (and 20 chapters is a big deal since his longest consecutive run was 30 before the last hiatus). Also, the fact that this hiatus did span 2 years makes you wonder if that is about to become the new standard for his breaks. His previous longest break was no where even close to that number, so there are some things to consider here with the future of the manga. The final thing that irks me is that the last set of chapters ended in a good spot where as his inevitable future hiatus will most likely be barely scratching the surface of this arc which is a bit disappointing especially since the anime will almost certainly be over by then as well.

All in all, it is still good to see that the manga is returning, just kinda glass half full with Togashi because we know how this will play out.
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So having an opinion different from the norm about work ethics is pointless arguments? Say what you want, but I have my own view on crappy work ethics.
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You literally pick arguments about the dumbest things and then use such far fetched, over-exaggerations to attempt to twist the argument in your favor. Like you got all butt hurt over someone saying you were bias for Hunter x Hunter yet will discredit anyone's opinion if they even remotely follow anything from the Big 3. Just because you like something that someone doesn't, doesn't make you a smarter person or a more credible anime fan than someone else. I don't even see what bringing in those series would have to do with Togashi's work ethic or how many of what video game is produced has to do with Togashi's work ethic either. In response to you saying you are neutral in anything that has to do with Hunter x Hunter.... hahahahahahahaha. Yeah right, I've never seen you say one critical thing toward the series. Again, that doesn't mean you're a better fan than anyone else either.
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You want to call that bad work ethics? I call being a less than good writer so.
Because a truly ethical man would not sell his fans broken work, and broken art is nothing since we have anime, but broken story and ideas will not change.


LOL

> Mangaka
> Broken art is nothing
> But he is a mangaka
> Because Madhouse did a good job

HxH manga fans sure have such forgiving heart.
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You literally pick arguments about the dumbest things and then use such far fetched, over-exaggerations to attempt to twist the argument in your favor. Like you got all butt hurt over someone saying you were bias for Hunter x Hunter yet will discredit anyone's opinion if they even remotely follow anything from the Big 3. Just because you like something that someone doesn't, doesn't make you a smarter person or a more credible anime fan than someone else. I don't even see what bringing in those series would have to do with Togashi's work ethic or how many of what video game is produced has to do with Togashi's work ethic either. In response to you saying you are neutral in anything that has to do with Hunter x Hunter.... hahahahahahahaha. Yeah right, I've never seen you say one critical thing toward the series. Again, that doesn't mean you're a better fan than anyone else either.

You talk of stupid arguments as if you never started that one in episode 112 about someone simply hyping something very vaguely.

First, I was just explaining the difference between biased and simply having ab opinion where I favor one over the other.
When did I discredit anyone? It's you and the others who are trying to shove your opinions down my throat, I simply posted my thoughts that happen to have another view, I'm entitled to do that.

I never said anything about being smarter, or intelligence in general so no idea where that came from.

I brought those as examples, that's what they serve for.

I did say some criticsl things but let us say I haven't, what of it? So in order to sound credible/neutral you have to offer some criticism "tax" even when you can't find a flaw? Least not one others find so.
Being neutral= disregarding integrity and your own thoughts to brown-node to other opinions?
Okay, I find the big 3 GREAT, but HXH is SLIGHTLY better, and I dont like Yorknew, it was a plothole.

Better?
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Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh?


The people who made Last of Us most likely make other games you know. And Call of Duty probably have a bigger team to make those games.

Togashi takes months/years of hiatus and when he comes back, he can publish pages that look like that:

http://shonenbeam.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hxh-c252p12.png
http://blog.hachimitsu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/hxh8.png

If I can't call that bad work ethics, I don't know what I could call bad work ethics.

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As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot of time to write something. I have been planning things for my own story for years, making sure I have everything figured out so I don't end up with a plot hole later. When I change something, lots of other things like characters and events need to be changed as well, resulting in even more time investment. If Togashi is anything like me in terms of writing, I do not blame him for his hiatuses. For all you know, he could have planned the rest of the series and yet all he has are fans that just say he's lazy like they know everything.


How do you explain the low quality of some of his drawings when he comes back? If anything, he has more time than the other author to do it.

Oh god, the drawnings... Please don't make me remenber, i still have nightmares...


If you look carefully, the first picture makes it look like Knov is jacking off. The second one needs a TL;DR section (just kidding, Welfin needs more love).

I just imagined something I shouldn't have...
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im not reading hunter x hunter manga but damn now i understand why this manga is called Hiatus X Hiatus
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The tagline for the manga's return reads,"What is being aimed for is darkness. What is being hunted is hope. What blocks the way is endless despair."


looks like its gonna be dark one, lots of death flags?
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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it would be better if Togashi doesn't never stop the manga again

The tagline for the manga's return reads, "What is being aimed for is darkness. What is being hunted is hope. What blocks the way is endless despair." : EPIC
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Gintama: "The blade is not to cut down your enemies
Nor is it to cut away your own weakness
A sword isnt meant to protect your body
A sword is meant for protecting your soul"
Apr 23, 2014 7:50 AM

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It's pretty awesome that maybe the anime's greatest episode to date aired the same day the manga was announced to resume.
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Great news ! Even though I don't read manga.
Apr 23, 2014 8:12 AM
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Speaking of work ethics, Togashi is coming back fired up to draw a lot of quality material and art, so you people should stop bitching about how shitty work ethics. Here's a sample of the quality of the art in the first chapter:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/1926803_10201099256358182_4849437774852433950_n.jpg
Apr 23, 2014 8:18 AM

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Candor said:
Speaking of work ethics, Togashi is coming back fired up to draw a lot of quality material and art, so you people should stop bitching about how shitty work ethics. Here's a sample of the quality of the art in the first chapter:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/1926803_10201099256358182_4849437774852433950_n.jpg


Is that isaac or beyond? Lmao, some of the shots seem familiar, that badly drawn character is actually pretty creepy.
Apr 23, 2014 8:19 AM
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TonyTonyStark said:
Candor said:
Speaking of work ethics, Togashi is coming back fired up to draw a lot of quality material and art, so you people should stop bitching about how shitty work ethics. Here's a sample of the quality of the art in the first chapter:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/1926803_10201099256358182_4849437774852433950_n.jpg


Is that isaac or beyond? Lmao, some of the shots seem familiar, that badly drawn character is actually pretty creepy.
Looks like beyond to me.
Apr 23, 2014 3:31 PM

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ive read just bout everything about togashi there is in english. the man is an editor at shonen jump, just got done redrawing all those issues people complained about, husband and father, and a dragon quest enthusiast(lol). point being hes not been doing nothing for these 2 years. just because hes not doing what we all wanted him to be doing doesnt make him lazy. and for all you people know hes been working on hxh the whole time he was on hiatus so that he doesnt have to adhere to a strict time line. also most mangakas these days work with a team, including oda. Togashi has done everything by himself. its like some of you guys just want to be negative for no reason. dont judge somebody when i know theres no way half of yall have done as much as he has. end rant. and whoooooo! i love hxh.
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^ That's right the guy gives out rough sketches but finishes them for the volumes on his own pace.

Here a hiatus chart - lol someone actually made this

(If you can't see the above)
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130824144559/hunterxhunter/images/c/c7/Hiatus_Chart.png

2006-2007 88 chapters in a row, I think that's a record
2010-2011 59 chapters in a row
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embracebuddha said:
its like some of you guys just want to be negative for no reason
Ultimately, I think it's because they're bored of Hunter x Hunter and/or feel like it's incoherently all over the place, which is to be expected.

(Then there are trolls with not much concern to begin with. :V )

In quite some cases, I feel this is more deliberate brooding from them to avert attention to the series, upon not knowing too precisely of what to expect. I'm pretty sure they think there's only two or three loose ends (including some things they don't care to venture into at the moment), even though a bit more is still left untied (and I'm not only referring to leftovers from Chimera Ant.)

So many possibilities. I, for one, am stoked.
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^ That's right the guy gives out rough sketches but finishes them for the volumes on his own pace.

Here a hiatus chart - lol someone actually made this

(If you can't see the above)
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130824144559/hunterxhunter/images/c/c7/Hiatus_Chart.png

2006-2007 88 chapters in a row, I think that's a record
2010-2011 59 chapters in a row
Wait.. just.. h-how? How wer you able to put an image?!
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embracebuddha said:
its like some of you guys just want to be negative for no reason. dont judge somebody when i know theres no way half of yall have done as much as he has.


Because some self-entitled readers have nothing better to do with their lives than to complain about not being to read the latest chapter on a consecutive weekly-basis through scanlations or come up with the most baseless, asinine story to why an author is being "lazy" as if they know what it's like to write a story and illustrate it. Even when a series comes out of a hiatus, they'll still be complaining about something just for the sake of complaining. It's quite sad and pathetic.
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A real good news, now I can change my profile name in June
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Finally after a 2 year hiatus!
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Nothing really changes for the anime

At its current pace in 3-4 months its going to be caught up to where it is currently, and that only leaves a few new chapters to adapt.

So whats it going to do? Hiatus or fillers? If it goes on hiatus its going to be a very long time before it comes back considering how many breaks this manga takes.
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judals said:

You talk of stupid arguments as if you never started that one in episode 112 about someone simply hyping something very vaguely.

First, I was just explaining the difference between biased and simply having ab opinion where I favor one over the other.
When did I discredit anyone? It's you and the others who are trying to shove your opinions down my throat, I simply posted my thoughts that happen to have another view, I'm entitled to do that.

I never said anything about being smarter, or intelligence in general so no idea where that came from.

I brought those as examples, that's what they serve for.

I did say some criticsl things but let us say I haven't, what of it? So in order to sound credible/neutral you have to offer some criticism "tax" even when you can't find a flaw? Least not one others find so.
Being neutral= disregarding integrity and your own thoughts to brown-node to other opinions?
Okay, I find the big 3 GREAT, but HXH is SLIGHTLY better, and I dont like Yorknew, it was a plothole.

Better?


Lmao getting worked up over nothing man.

1) When did I shove my opinion down your throat specifically in here other than calling you out for starting arguments?

2) You're entitled to your opinion bro, I just dislike when you try using the Big 3 as examples to discredit people's opinions. Just think of it in the light that if you were to have your opinions discredited because you liked Hunter x Hunter. I never said anything you're saying is wrong, it is your opinion after all.

3) My point was that every time I actually check up on these threads, they seemed to be littered with arguments you are involved in that really are unnecessary because they are about the smallest of things. I admit, yes I have had my fair share of those which is why I try to just get involved in discussions now as opposed to literal arguments. Obviously, this was the exception. This doesn't mean every now and then I don't get into them, but the point of these threads is to attempt to enjoy conversation about the topic at hand and further that conversation, which is the exact opposite of not only this argument but the ones that you were involved in as well. Yes, I'm at fault for initiating the one between you and I, but I was trying to make a point.

With that, I say good day and for everyone else continue on with the conversation about the manga FINALLY RETURNING ON JUNE 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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fearthebeard85 said:


Lmao getting worked up over nothing man.



Okay...
Just saying, THAT... is unnecessary.

fearthebeard85 said:


1) When did I shove my opinion down your throat specifically in here other than calling you out for starting arguments?


When you wanted me to say/think that work ethics must mean number of chapter releases. Or wanted to shut me up for having thought otherwise.


2) You're entitled to your opinion bro, I just dislike when you try using the Big 3 as examples to discredit people's opinions.

Why are people so insecure/terrified as to treat the mention of the big 3 like Voldemort? I mentioned them as a reference level to showcase what I thought was bad work ethics for me, there's no better example of releases per week, month, year than these 3.

And how did I discredit anyone's opinion? I did not even begin to discuss other people, just discussing points. jpem started attacking on a personal level and you backed him up.


Just think of it in the light that if you were to have your opinions discredited because you liked Hunter x Hunter.

It sucks, just like how you discredited mine yesterday.

But I don't really mind people saying he has bad work ethics/crappy art, pitching in my thoughts doesn't mean I was irritated or offended by theirs.


3) My point was that every time I actually check up on these threads, they seemed to be littered with arguments you are involved in that really are unnecessary because they are about the smallest of things


I usually post my opinions and certain others might take it up a notch to the unnecessary part.


This doesn't mean every now and then I don't get into them, but the point of these threads is to attempt to enjoy conversation about the topic at hand and further that conversation which is the exact opposite of not only this argument


It was a normal argument between me and Andan until jpem came along and called me delusional followed by other attacks.

but the ones that you were involved in as well.

Such as?


Yes, I'm at fault for initiating the one between you and I, but I was trying to make a point.

With that, I say good day and for everyone else continue on with the conversation about the manga FINALLY RETURNING ON JUNE 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's okay, I just wanted to defend my thoughts.
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judals said:

You want to call that bad work ethics? I call being a less than good writer so.
Because a truly ethical man would not sell his fans broken work, and broken art is nothing since we have anime, but broken story and ideas will not change.


Exactly!
The point here is that when Togashi delivers he DELIVERS! Top notch story and quality writing.
Im not defending him, he sure as hell has his flaws. He's not the perfect mangaka, no sir. But when it comes to writing ability the man's a genius. Hands down. Nowhere near the low story level of the so called Big 3 (personally I don't like this word - I think it only exists so that fanboys of each group can sling mud at themselves for liking/disliking the "Big 3"). Now I am not defending the hiatuses by any chance, just saying that producing manga's constantly like you're in a factory is not that good either, and I have a feeling that guys like Oda, Mashima or Kubo have no idea what they want from their stories or where are they headed. They lost their ideas a long time ago and are in it for the money only, cause the fans and editors are constantly "demanding" more.

Now as I have some filmmaking experience I can tell you an old truth: "From a great script you can make a crappy movie, but from a crappy script you will never make a great movie". Its as simple as that. It does not mean that Togashi's sins are redeemed because of the new anime being so grand. It means that he delivers great story and in terms of "script", which should be the FIRST and FOREMOST thing in every shounen, he is flawless. The art is secondary. This is precisely why I hate 3D cinema - it tends to put importance on visual attractions rather that actual storytelling. Another example are companies that make video games and spend all their budget on stunning graphics while completly neglecting the story (see Rockstar and GTA) or treating all the players like 10-year old's. Manga's are no different. All of those are equally bad things. But I stress that art is important... its just secondary.

To sum it up Togashi is very far from being the ideal mangaka, but he is a real tensai (genius) in terms of story writing, which should be the most important factor in a shounen.

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Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh?


I see what you did there :P lol, but hey! Its a fact.

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Writing "good enough" is also subjective.


Actually... no, its not! There are some things that are subjective, and others that are objective. There are standards for everything.
For example - I love old Kung Fu flicks. I really do! But Im not as blind as to say they are amongst the greatest movies ever created. Because objectively I need to admit it, there are a lot of better, important movies out there.
On the other hand I am a great, big fan of Batman. Some people may like Aquaman more, but its difficult to argue that he truly is a better hero, cause Batman is easily the better developed character. That made him, objectively speaking, an icon of pop culture.

When it comes to manga you can say objectively that Hokuto no Ken, or Dragon Ball are great works of art. An individual can say he doesn't like HnK cause of the brutality (and thats a subjective view), but its impact on next generation mangaka's is unquestionable, so his personal thought's are really of lesser importance when you look at the big picture. Its his tastes, and its his right to hold that opinion, but in the end you can't dismiss Hokuto no Ken or Dragon Ball as weak manga's.
On a different approach Hiro Mashima's Fairy Tail is a very bad example of story writing. There are obviously thousands of fans out there loving this series, but it does not change the fact that his writing skill is amongst the lowest of all the current authors. In my subjective opinion Fairy Tail is bad, but in my objective one I still find it equally bad.
To prove Its not only me being biased - In my subjective opinion I am not too fond of Space Pirate Captain Harlock (its silly, lame and kind of boring too), but when I talk about it objectively I admit that Leiji Matsumoto's work was really inspiring, crucial in fiction developement and otherwise important from the historical point of view.


Now to finish... about HxH.

Subjectively: I am a fan of the manga/anime. I even ship volumes from Japan. Nuff said I think?

Objectively though: Even if I would cast my love for it aside I still would admit it has some of the best written plot's currently out there. They're realistic, dramatic and intense. You never know what's behind the next corner - its the only unpredictable shounen amongst the popular ones. HxH has also some of the best developed characters out there (I think the only ones that could cope with them are from Rurouni Kenshin). There is no black or white in the series, only shades of gray - everyone has their temptations and reason's for being who they are. Togashi is also a very talented and important mangaka out there. Heck, even Kishimoto and Kubo look up to the guy. The battles, as well as the motives are all well thought through - you can see that Togashi never makes last second changes. He also does not treat his readers like little kids. Especially when you consider that the manga began in 1998. You can clearly see how it grew (matured/beacame better) along with its audience. This cannot be said about other long running series. Hunter has all the factors that make it mature and original, therefore (still objectively) an undeniably good story.

So there you go. Sorry for the long post (they always are...).
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Actually... no, its not! There are some things that are subjective, and others that are objective. There are standards for everything.[....]

Yes it's is.

The only objective things are the summary, the information about the characters, the cost of productions, the attributes of the characters and other factual things relating to the show. The standard of writing and it's quality is not one of them. ''Objective opinion'' is an oxymoron. Everything you said about Fairy Tail and Hunter x Hunter and the big 3 is highly subjective, and is just your opinion.

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Objectivity is a central philosophical concept, related to reality and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings. A proposition is generally considered objectively true (to have objective truth) when its truth conditions are met and are "mind-independent"—that is, existing freely or independently from a mind (from the thoughts, feelings, ideas, etc. of a sentient subject).


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Lol...

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Seriously, why do people have such a hard time understanding this ?

OT though,

However, my reaction was basically this.
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