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Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

Apr 10, 2014 1:13 PM

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I am sure they will find a way to legalize the incest in the end. Have faith in the Japanese Ln indsutry.

It's illegal?????

since when?

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Apr 10, 2014 1:14 PM

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Honestly, does anyone here even read the question?
No they don't have different mothers
Tatsuya is born in April and Miyuki in March of the NEXT year

Apr 10, 2014 1:17 PM

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No up until 13 volumes they are real siblings.......

You misunderstood something..........they are actually 11 months apart

From the LN:

(Shiba Tatsuya)
"I have often been asked that but we are not twins. I was born in April while
she was born in March. If I were born one month earlier or she were born
one month later, then we wouldn't be in the same school year."

They are actually 11 months apart so they are in the same school year.

Apr 10, 2014 1:24 PM

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iFourier said:
Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

That sounds like some first-rate writing.

Apr 10, 2014 1:29 PM

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They're 11 months apart, not 1

EDIT: Shen'd

and their family history is very detailed, and contains tons of spoilers

I am bothered by incest, and I'm not bothered by this series. I'll leave it at that.

Apr 10, 2014 1:57 PM

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Ventris said:

iFourier said:
Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

That sounds like some first-rate writing.

want me to write it again ?

Apr 10, 2014 1:58 PM

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iFourier said:

Ventris said:

iFourier said:
Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

That sounds like some first-rate writing.

want me to write it again ?

He's talking about the author.

Apr 10, 2014 2:12 PM

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TallonKarrde23 said:

iFourier said:

Ventris said:

iFourier said:
Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

That sounds like some first-rate writing.

want me to write it again ?

He's talking about the author.

well its another incest anime thats going to beat SAO in being the shittiest i dont even know what so good about it

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Apr 10, 2014 3:06 PM

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CrossRyuu said:

TallonKarrde23 said:

iFourier said:

Ventris said:

iFourier said:
Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

That sounds like some first-rate writing.

want me to write it again ?

He's talking about the author.

well its another incest anime thats going to beat SAO in being the shittiest i dont even know what so good about it

The action. The sister might be annoying but the MC is OP hue

Apr 10, 2014 4:59 PM

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Vocah said:
Honestly, does anyone here even read the question?
No they don't have different mothers
Tatsuya is born in April and Miyuki in March of the NEXT year

Then how come they are in the same grade? Also, as far as I recall, he only mentioned the difference in months. Will the difference in year be revealed later?

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Apr 10, 2014 5:15 PM

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Confucius said:

Vocah said:
Honestly, does anyone here even read the question?
No they don't have different mothers
Tatsuya is born in April and Miyuki in March of the NEXT year

Then how come they are in the same grade? Also, as far as I recall, he only mentioned the difference in months. Will the difference in year be revealed later?

why dont you just watch it or read the LN so that you can understand it better

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Apr 10, 2014 5:26 PM

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Confucius said:

Vocah said:
Honestly, does anyone here even read the question?
No they don't have different mothers
Tatsuya is born in April and Miyuki in March of the NEXT year

Then how come they are in the same grade? Also, as far as I recall, he only mentioned the difference in months. Will the difference in year be revealed later?

I think in JP.

March/April is the cut off point for each grade, not December 31st.

I mean, JP Graduation are always in spring and after their new year visit to shrine, which we can conclude that their graduation and grade cut off point is most probably around Jan~March.

FFS, New year visit usually comes with wishes like "I wanna past the exam"

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As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.

Apr 10, 2014 10:01 PM

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Confucius said:

Vocah said:
Honestly, does anyone here even read the question?
No they don't have different mothers
Tatsuya is born in April and Miyuki in March of the NEXT year

Then how come they are in the same grade? Also, as far as I recall, he only mentioned the difference in months. Will the difference in year be revealed later?

Like Airstyles said..........

"In Japan, the start date for the school year falls on April 1, or the first Monday following if April 1 is a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday."

The anime shortened the line a bit so i quoted it from the LN for you. If you know about the Educational system in Japan then it's not hard to understand and there is nothing to be revealed. Simply if they were born i month apart, they would have been in different grades.

Apr 10, 2014 10:06 PM

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Like others said, Japan starts in April, plus they have a trimester system not a two semester like we have. Besides you have the same thing in the US, I was on end of the cutoff like Miyuki so I was basically a year younger than most people.

Apr 10, 2014 10:09 PM

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I hope not, because then it would lose almost all of it's appeal.

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Dragon_Slayer_X said:
No up until 13 volumes they are real siblings.......

You misunderstood something..........they are actually 11 months apart

From the LN:

(Shiba Tatsuya)
"I have often been asked that but we are not twins. I was born in April while
she was born in March. If I were born one month earlier or she were born
one month later, then we wouldn't be in the same school year."

They are actually 11 months apart so they are in the same school year.

Pretty much this.

Apr 10, 2014 11:57 PM

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iFourier said:
Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

Apr 11, 2014 8:32 AM

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Confucius said:
In episode 1, the guy claims they aren't twins, but they were born on different months. Is it actually possible to give birth to one kid in one month and another one in the next?

Miyuki seems especially talented so I think Tatsuya was born in April the year before and Miyuki was born in March the year after. Because she calls Tatsuya "older brother" and that wouldnt make sense if she was born in March and he in April. But I mentioned her natural talent because she probably just started school a year early to be in his grade.

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LazyLuong said:

iFourier said:
Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

thats what she said. Who knows if she wanted to get rid of his emotions anyway since his power was OP and he would be a good weapon.

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Old_Raven said:

Confucius said:
In episode 1, the guy claims they aren't twins, but they were born on different months. Is it actually possible to give birth to one kid in one month and another one in the next?

Miyuki seems especially talented so I think Tatsuya was born in April the year before and Miyuki was born in March the year after. Because she calls Tatsuya "older brother" and that wouldnt make sense if she was born in March and he in April. But I mentioned her natural talent because she probably just started school a year early to be in his grade.

Her natural talent would have nothing to do with it. As others have already said, Japan tends to use April through the following year's March for grade cut-offs. He would be one of the oldest in the grade, and she would be one of the youngest, but it'd be perfectly in line with standard procedure.

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iFourier said:

LazyLuong said:

iFourier said:
Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

thats what she said. Who knows if she wanted to get rid of his emotions anyway since his power was OP and he would be a good weapon.

Anyways, I need to stop talking about the LN since the spoiler tag really have no real purposes in MAL.

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Tatsuya was born first in April. Miyuki was born 11 months later in March. The Japanese school year begins on April 1st. So anyone who was born in April up untill the next one will be put in the same grade. Hence why Tatsuya and Miyuki are in the same grade

Apr 11, 2014 4:48 PM

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iFourier said:

LazyLuong said:

iFourier said:
Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

thats what she said. Who knows if she wanted to get rid of his emotions anyway since his power was OP and he would be a good weapon.

Apr 11, 2014 6:28 PM

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LazyLuong said:

iFourier said:
Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

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in Japan, we start compulsory education the first april after your 6th birthday which is the equivalent of 1st grade in the USA (kindergarten isn't mandatory).... so if you are born in the beginning of march, you start 1st grade about a month after your birthday 6th birthday. if you are born in the beginning of april, you start about a year after your 6th birthday since you would technically only be 5 at the beginning of the month.

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Cirris said:

In a way, yes. Like I said, the series has a lot of discrimination in it.

RexZShadow said:

iFourier said:

LazyLuong said:

iFourier said:
Both of them have the same mother.

I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything.

thats what she said. Who knows if she wanted to get rid of his emotions anyway since his power was OP and he would be a good weapon.

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I stand corrected.

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Back to the original question:

Yes, they are full-fledged siblings.
Yes, Miyuki wants fuck her brother, badly.
No, the series will most likely not cross the line.
Yes, they will both die virgins; or at least Miyuki will cuz once she's "tainted," the virgin hunters won't care about her anymore.

Honestly though, I never got that far into the manga; is he gonna be a Marty Stu like Kirito? I prefer it if he wasn't such a damn genius at everything but this could work too depending on how his character and the plot develops, just dear god, not another Kirito. Also, were there this many girls in the manga?

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yes, he's a gary stu in that he's both extremely intelligent and strong. however, his strength comes from the fact of how he was raise and the duty of his existent. If he were to fail, he would be dead.

This is why he has a huge advantage over a lot of the other highschool student, who has never had to fight with their life on the line on a consistent basis.

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Apr 13, 2014 1:14 PM

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LazyLuong said:
yes, he's a gary stu in that he's both extremely intelligent and strong. however, his strength comes from the fact of how he was raise and the duty of his existent. If he were to fail, he would be dead.

This is why he has a huge advantage over a lot of the other highschool student, who has never had to fight with their life on the line on a consistent basis.

Ya I'm ok with how strong he is coz he worked for it, wasn't like he is strong just coz and instantly game some retarded power to do w/e needs to be done. He constantly have to work under lot of restrictions but he still manage to get things done w/e inventing new power out his ass every time.

Apr 18, 2014 2:58 PM

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yes, he's a gary stu in that he's both extremely intelligent and strong.

Even if the protagonist is the strongest, smartest character it doesn't make him/her a "Stu". The thing that makes a Stu a Stu is the automatic universal admiration the character has from everyone in the story.

So Tatsuya is not a Stu; neither is Kirito, though all the female characters sighing over him makes him closer than Tatsuya. Even Naruto is not a Stu, though he is the strongest, smartest character whom everyone admires (he isn't a Stu because he has earned their admiration through a long difficult journey).

If being the strongest made one a Stu, then every action hero would be a Stu. If being the smartest made one a Stu, then every detective or psychological hero would be a Stu.

So a Stu can get a veteran Captain to violate every military protocol in having the character on the bridge (Wesley Crusher), inspire artists to do their best work (Sherri Tepper's Grass has an unintentionally great version of this), or inspire drunkards to give up the sauce (Little Nell, the protyptical Stu) through their angelic disposition (though of course these characters generally die, and are mourned by all).

That is a Stu, Tatsuya not so much.

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LazyLuong said:
yes, he's a gary stu in that he's both extremely intelligent and strong.

Even if the protagonist is the strongest, smartest character it doesn't make him/her a "Stu". The thing that makes a Stu a Stu is the automatic universal admiration the character has from everyone in the story.

So Tatsuya is not a Stu; neither is Kirito, though all the female characters sighing over him makes him closer than Tatsuya. Even Naruto is not a Stu, though he is the strongest, smartest character whom everyone admires (he isn't a Stu because he has earned their admiration through a long difficult journey).

If being the strongest made one a Stu, then every action hero would be a Stu. If being the smartest made one a Stu, then every detective or psychological hero would be a Stu.

So a Stu can get a veteran Captain to violate every military protocol in having the character on the bridge (Wesley Crusher), inspire artists to do their best work (Sherri Tepper's Grass has an unintentionally great version of this), or inspire drunkards to give up the sauce (Little Nell, the protyptical Stu) through their angelic disposition (though of course these characters generally die, and are mourned by all).

That is a Stu, Tatsuya not so much.

Sadly people on the internet likes to throw those "stu" words around just because they see a OP characters. Tatsuya is definitely overpowered but that didn't just come out of nowhere, he has worked rather hard for it but he is smart or can be called a genius.

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That is your definition of a stu.

A Gary Stu is just another variation of Mary Sue. It's a self-fulfillment character for the author, not necessary for the reader, as being the ideal person in that they are a combination of many things such as being smart, being strong, full of achievements, etc. and not just one. It's not necessary need to be the perfect being, but it is close to it as the ideal being for the author.

You will find more of his achievements are secrets as the series progresses. I will not spoil it for you.

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LazyLuong said:
That is your definition of a stu.

A Gary Stu is just another variation of Mary Sue. It's a self-fulfillment character for the author, not necessary for the reader, as being the ideal person in that they are a combination of many things such as being smart, being strong, full of achievements, etc. and not just one. It's not necessary need to be the perfect being, but it is close to it as the ideal being for the author.

You will find more of his achievements are secrets as the series progresses. I will not spoil it for you.

Than isn't good 70%+ of MC Gary Stu since they all basically self-fulfillment for the author or the reader o.o?

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In some sense, it is. But to avoid turning their MC into a gary stu character, flaws are often added to the character as imperfections, as well as rich background story explaining how they came to be, and other flaws and disadvantages.

In the end, it's really now noticeable it is to the reader.

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LazyLuong said:
In some sense, it is. But to avoid turning their MC into a gary stu character, flaws are often added to the character as imperfections, as well as rich background story explaining how they came to be, and other flaws and disadvantages.

In the end, it's really now noticeable it is to the reader.

Basically Gary Stu be a super OP and perfect character thats OP and perfect for no reason? Ya that make sense.

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LazyLuong said:
In some sense, it is. But to avoid turning their MC into a gary stu character, flaws are often added to the character as imperfections, as well as rich background story explaining how they came to be, and other flaws and disadvantages.

In the end, it's really now noticeable it is to the reader.

Basically Gary Stu be a super OP and perfect character thats OP and perfect for no reason? Ya that make sense.

Not quite. First a little history, the original use of Stu was not for male characters, but for female character called "Mary Sue", so OP is not necessarily a trait, though some form of "perfect" is generally (the link below gives a great example of a Stu from Star Trek).

Basically the Stu character is the personification of traits the author considers good and just, and as such cannot believe that anyone could possibly have issues with.

This is why I defined it as "automatic universal admiration the character has from everyone in the story," because that is the trait I think both shows that the writer doesn't realize what they are doing and something that is the easiest for the readers to identify (one can put up with a OP lead if the story is good, but an OP that every character gushes about really becomes annoying very quickly).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

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Ah ok that make lot more sense, well leave it to the internet to throw words w/o understanding what they mean =X

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Basically, Tatsuya started with max stats (battle attributes) since episode 1. heck, even he still in sealed form. If he started weaker then getting stronger after time, he could avoided the Gary Stu label(OP) on term of his strength. Yet, his "no emotion" personality actually make it worse.
Miyuki not exaggerating about Tatsuya never lose in true fight because he actually really never lost in true fight so far.
And, Tatsuya also mostly will get what he want if he try.
Yes, he is not a full Gary Stu. But, we actually can't fully denied he is Gary Stu either.
He just too plain in character even his flaws not help his characterization to the extent the story need other characters to make it up Tatsuya's plain personality.

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But, we actually can't fully denied he is Gary Stu either....He just too plain in character.

Your second statement contradicts the first statement. A "too plain" character cannot be a "Gary Stu" character. The whole point of a "Gary Stu" or "Mary Sue" is how gosh incredible they are supposed to be.

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I don't think "automatic universal admiration the character has from everyone in the story" is quite right either. The definition is far too broad.

If we visualize the world of your definition, the world where everyone in the story admire the MC, there is no conflicts, arch-nemesis, no villains, no strangers, etc. Huge problem for a story to exist with such definition.

Now we will narrow it down to the MC's direct peers. The world where the MC's direct peers admires him, yet there can still envy, jealousy, strangers, enemies, villains, etc. This is a more believable definitions, but wouldn't this fit the definition of many of the MC out there. This is actually what happens, the peers he mainly interact with, acknowledge and/or admires him and therefore does fit the definition.

Then again, if we were to widen the range from his direct peers to his surroundings of both friends and foes, this will fall into the problem of never being able to fit the definitions. The whole "stu" definition should have existed in the first place.

Either way, arguing about word definition is silly overall, IMO, because news words are constantly created, while old words definition are constantly changing through time.

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If we visualize the world of your definition, the world where everyone in the story admire the MC, there is no conflicts, arch-nemesis, no villains, no strangers, etc. Huge problem for a story to exist with such definition.

Not quite, there are villains or conflicts, but the "Stuness" of the character obliterates them in the end. That is why such stories are ultimately disappointing. If the MC actually has real challenges or conflicts then they wouldn't be a "Stu" character, they would just be a normal MC. If I wanted to point to a series that has obvious "Stuness" David Weber's Honor Series would be a perfect example: it isn't so much that she is smart and attractive, but rather that everyone, even her enemies ultimately love her (or if not love, at least admiring her spunk).

If a "Gary Stu" is a "all men want to be him and all women want to sleep with him" stereotype, then the Mary Sue type would be that gosh darn "not classically beautiful, but really great bone structure, goes aboard military ships with an intelligent cat on her shoulder, is a brilliant tactician even though really she doesn't do much, in the end she becomes a noble in an egalitarian society heroine.

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This is a more believable definitions,

But that is sort of the point. Stu characters are NOT believable, that is what makes them "Stu". Take Odysseus as an example: one of the best Greek warriors, and by far the smartest, he would be a perfect Stu character because of his OP qualities if not for the fact that he DOES have conflicts or problems. Stu's would have made Poseidon himself go "well he blinded my son, but gosh you gotta love his spunk in challenging us gods so I will let him return home"

That is what distinguishes a Stu from an MC or even an OP. It may be a neologism, but you can't take away this distinguishing feature and still have this word. If just being an MC or an OP is enough to make one "Stu" then there would not be the need for the word.

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Takuan_Soho said:

MShukyDeneuve said:
But, we actually can't fully denied he is Gary Stu either....He just too plain in character.

Your second statement contradicts the first statement. A "too plain" character cannot be a "Gary Stu" character. The whole point of a "Gary Stu" or "Mary Sue" is how gosh incredible they are supposed to be.

No, i am not. You just misunderstood me.
The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness"

He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean?

What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be".

But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now.

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