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| I liked Grimmer from the first moment he showed up but now he's really grown into me. I almost cried when he said "the most difficult thing was learning how to smile". Poor guy. |
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| I don't like how much this show is relying on split personality to let people kill people. It takes the accountability away. I didn't even like when they portrayed Johan as having a split personality, although that was probably more figurative than actual psychological especially since Johan was seemingly messed up even before he got to Kinderheim. Meh, I can't really say though, maybe that was Kinderheim's experiment. I also find it unrealistic that Grimmer can take down six men surrounding him with rifles just because he's the Amazing Steiner. Even if he has superhuman strength, with four limbs, you shouldn't be able to efficiently tackle more than two people at once. Meanwhile, the other four shoot you dead. |
reem1997 said: I was saying the same thing with regard to Johan, he likely doesn't have split personality. But lying sounds unecessary when we're talking Johan- which was why I'd concluded that it must have been something figurative. Maybe he relates to the story? The story was probably based on him. It must have some explanation of Johan's motivation to kill.ObliviousOkapi said: The whole Johan having a split personality thing is not really official, It's just a theory and It's hinted that he doesn't actually have a split personality, he was lying or something but idk. As for Grimmer him having a split personality doesn't justify him killing people, I don't think that's what the show intended, also he's not considered 100% a good person, that's kind of what I like about the show, no one is completely innocent.I don't like how much this show is relying on split personality to let people kill people. It takes the accountability away. I didn't even like when they portrayed Johan as having a split personality, although that was probably more figurative than actual psychological especially since Johan was seemingly messed up even before he got to Kinderheim. Meh, I can't really say though, maybe that was Kinderheim's experiment. I also find it unrealistic that Grimmer can take down six men surrounding him with rifles just because he's the Amazing Steiner. Even if he has superhuman strength, with four limbs, you shouldn't be able to efficiently tackle more than two people at once. Meanwhile, the other four shoot you dead. I wasn't saying that the show is using split personality to justify murder, but rather that the idea of split personality is interfering with the show's intention to portray evil. Nobody will ever consider why Johan kills if he doesn't know the reason himself. For the most part, it doesn't seem Grimmer's rampages really needed justification because it has always been out of self defense, well- really aggressive self defense, credits, the Steiner, but defense nonetheless. There seems to be little moral dilemma in that matter. What makes you say he isn't being portrayed as a 100% good person though? The fact that he has little to no emotion, or is it that he was a spy? |
| I can now see why this show is so highly rated/lauded. Better a show that fizzled slowly and ends with successive bangs than a show that was flawless for a brief beginning and whimpered slowly til the end. Good stuff. |
| Nothing can happen until you swing the bat. |
| Grimmer is from 511 Kinderheim too. It was kinda sad to hear him say that the hardest thing that he learned was how to smile. |
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| The Magnificent Steiner Another great plot twist, Now i know why people like Grimmer, great! Excellent Episode, on the way for a 10/10 |
| This anime keeps getting better and better I hope it won't disappoint me in the ending that guy at the newspaper remind me of Mauer san well for an instance I though Suk was shot in the head dang it what bad situation to be in with but I guess having the The amazing Steiner well I saw that Grimmer won't get his self too involved in this case without a reason I thought that his kid was at Kinderheim 511 however Something in this episode was unforgotten well it was clear Grimmer san speech How to learn to Smile |
| i am really interested in Double Personalitys |
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| I'm not sure if Johan has split personality, that is yet to be confirmed, because those messages were just quotes from that weird ass book. And about Grimmer, I think his is more of a blackout. |
| Just when I was saying to myself man, those dudes are laid back AF if I was them I wouldn’t have peeked my head from a window and them Bam! I not going to lie the TV was loud and I jumped and at the same time I was screaming to Suk & Grimmer I told you, dammit! |
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| That opening scene, I miss Mauler :( He's the hero we needed but didn't deserve Awww Grimmer, don't you're still better than some "main characters" I liked you more than them, I'm rooting for Grimmer! Smile it all away, everything is going to be "daijoubu" |
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| I knew it. Grimmer's way more complicated than he looks. I fear he will turn on Tenma in the future. I used to like him but I always knew he got lot of secrets behind that smile. Johan can control Grimmer. On the other hand, he inspires me, teaches me how to keep smiling even though everything around you has turned to shit. |
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| that was a surprising twist - So Grimmer is from Kinderheim 511 eh? He talked about how smiling was the hardest part of his training - does that mean all his smiles have been fake ?? |
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| You'd almost think Grimmer is a stand user, hah. |
| This has to be the best episode with the czech action, steiner explanation, kinderheim mystery and a truly amazing backstory. I guess the story has picked up its pace, finally. Y'all should just read Pluto. |
 Without change,we end up becoming the very person we hate. I was dead until the moment I met you. I was a powerless corpse pretending to be alive. Living without power, without the ability to change my course, was bound to lead me to a slow death. |
| Damn, so Hulk Grimmer was also a resident of Kinderheim 511 after all. His character keeps being extremely interesting. |
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| Tenma needs Grimmer! Grimmer is such a bro, basically turning himself in to save Suk. |
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| I wonder if Grimmer is analogous to the other side of the 'monster'. And don't tell me all children from the Kinderheim got superpower. |
| He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame. |
| Retrospectively, it was probably obvious that Grimmer was a resident of 511 Kinderheim, but still... holy fuck. |
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| Not sure what was the biggest shock, Grimmer being from 511 or Johan cross dressing lol |
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| Holy crap, I have SO many feelings about this episode. I almost cried about three times in this episode. Seeing Detective Suk shot and crying for help while Grimmer was screaming made me feel so sad because I thought they were both goners. My heart sank for both of them because neither of them deserved that painful situation. I love Grimmer's character so much. His trauma is rooted in the same experimentation as Johan's, but turned out differently. It's so awful how he has clearly repressed all of those traumatic memories, which only manifest through flashbacks and his alternate personality, the Magnificent Steiner. As a child, he projected his pain onto "Magnificent Steiner" and adapted it as part of his own personality as a defense mechanism... so that he could be someone else while he did heinous acts, so that he could be a "monster" when he needed to be (in self-defense). This is probably exactly what's happening with Johan... Remember how Johan's writing on the wall seems to be pleading for help? Johan's "alternate" personality is also a violent "monster," but it turned out to be more malicious than Grimmer's. What really gets me about this episode is how hard Wolfgang Grimmer tries to be good. When he told Tenma, "The toughest thing to master was just learning how to smile." Bro... I nearly wept. So far, Grimmer's character is written beautifully, and I love it so so so so much. All his behavior subtly pointing at the truth (him being a victim of 511 Kinderheim) built up so wonderfully. I hope he and Tenma can go kick ass. At this point, I'm going to need Tenma to step it up a little so he doesn't get Grimmer killed. |
| suk's mother is interesting one :) grimmer is the green hulk. and tenma finally showed himself. |
| Damn Grimmer just went wild in this episode, completely obliterating all the secret police forces. That just makes his character so good and unique. Theres no doubt now that he knows Johan from childhood days. |
| Let's fucking go Grimmer, being such a badass. |
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Bloomberry said: He was absolutely incredible in this episode, I agree with youLet's fucking go Grimmer, being such a badass. |
| That Grimmer guy is a monster |
| Grimmer is growing on me |
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| That whole scene with tenma and grimmer was quite sad but it's nice seeing the two of them together again |
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| So Grimmer came to 511 kinderheim but my hunch is that he went on a different experimentation, unlike Johan. |
| Turns out Grimmer too is from 511 Kinderheim?! I would’ve never expected that honestly. |
| grimmer probably killed a ton of those kids at kinderheim going berserk |
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| he can smile and being nice after all the thing he went through,, |
| How dumb or weirdly obsessive do you have to be to subtitle the Czechoslovakian speech when Grimmer is in a situation in which he doesn't understand and is scared? It's not like the Japanese would understand what the men outside the room are talking about. Fansubbers sometimes show so much incompetence. |
| Not much of a surprise on Grimmer being from Kinderheim 511 with his 'Amazing Steiner' and obsession with the orphanage. Still good to see he turned out different from that monster Johan. |
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| Just a couple of episodes and Grimmer is already a better "Monster" than Johan. Way more charismatic and definitely featuring way more potential as character than our almighty cross-dresser psychopath. |
| Grimmer is kinda in the same position as John but he’s a decent guy put all the killing aside he’s a genuine guy with good intentions as long as know one corners him |
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| Wait so how long did they keep the orphanage running for? Because it was fine up until Johan turned it around and Grimmer is much older than him and said he was 14 when he watched his tv show. This show's timeline is too messy |
| Huh so not only does Grimmer have ties with 511 Kinderheim but he was also an orphan there. Makes me wonder, just how long did they experiment on kids at that place? That's at least 20 years considering Johan and Grimmer's ages. The toughest thing he learned was how to smile... and now he smiles all the time. |
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