| George Carlin. Simple as that. No further explanation. |
| Ah, I don't even like him very much, but I would say Schopenhauer. |
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Karl Marx lol i even added him as my favorite here on MAL, his criticism about capitalism is very on point and relevant today
| @deg i agree with you. He is worth listening to. |
| Murray Rothbard. His analysis on the predatory and parasitic nature of the state, his stance on natural rights, and private property, seem the most correct to me. |
 This ground is soiled by those before me and their lies. I dare not look up for on me I feel their eyes |
| Based on things I've actually read, Epicurus. Letter to Menoeceus is a good short read. |
| Michael Ruppert and Guy McPherson because they tell the truth about NTHE. |
| René Descartes was always the one who inspired me. |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
| I like Albert Camus a lot. His worldview just makes sense to me and is oddly comforting. |
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| hard question bc i like aspects of almost everyone ive read quite a lot, except maybe heidegger im also fairly ignorant on a lot that is pre descartes so my opinions will certainly shift as im exposed to more things walter benjamin has maybe the best thing ive ever read (theses on the philosophy of history) i also really really like horkheimer & adorno's dialectic of enlightenment, though idk much about their later stuff i love sartre's ideas on existing through action, and badiou's thoughts on truth (especially in context of love) nietzsche's thus spoke zarathustra is honestly both life changing and a really good piece of literature if you canonize the fourth part also hugely into chuang tzu but yeah, idk who id say is a fav yet |
LoveLikeBlood said: yeah i really like his idea of falling out of the narrative and having to confront thatI like Albert Camus a lot. His worldview just makes sense to me and is oddly comforting. idk if i think all of his philosophy is great, like how he just sort of makes the claim that suicide is the most important problem without real legwork and that one of his arguments against it in myth of sisyphus is basically just be a man lol. and especially later stuff like neither victims nor executioners, which feels like the strawman of liberalism people make up to attack. but in general i really like the tone of his work and think ive gotten a lot out of what ive read. |
| marcus aurelias - his teachings are backed up by experience and are fundamentally universally applicable in many areas of life. |
| Most of them are pussies who couldn't cut it in the real world and tried to make sense of life from their limited, weak and undeveloped fledgling minds. LET US, THE PHILOSOPHERS...UHM...NAY THE INTELLECTUALS..GIVE EACH OTHER A WANK OFF FOR BEING THE VOICES OF REASON AMIDST THE INFERIOR SLUDGE THAT SIMPLY COULD NOT MATCH UP TO US IN COMING UP WITH UTTER IMPRACTICAL NON-FUNCTIONAL BULLSHIT THAT IS OF NO USE TO ANYBODY BECAUSE WE ARE THAT MISERABLE, DEPRESSED AND HOPELESSLY IN NEED OF INTELLECTUAL VALIDATION TO MAKE UP FOR A LIFETIME OF BEING WASHOUTS. It is so fucking cringe. A weak man with thin arms who has never done gotten his hands dirty has seen nothing and knows nothing. The aforementioned paragraph should be viewed as a rant about philosophers and not as a serious critical analysis. I mean, yes there are broad generalizations I made and there are so many different subjects within Philosophy, some of them dealing with actual useful stuff like how we reason out something i.e. how does logic work so there is that. I am talking about the typical almost archetypal philosopher that pops up into mind which I think is the goofy goober with a pinky up, talkin bout sum, "God is dead" type shit. Mfer, get a job! That being said, there are a few I like with my number 1 probably being Descartes cuz he was about cool shit like the cartesian coordinate system, Dude was ahead of his time. He was exploring mind-body dualism in 17th century. So, yeah i have respect for him. He touched so many different subjects from Musical theory to Animal magnetism. Anyways, oh yeah also read the works of Iris Murdoch!!! Very underrated! |
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Karl Marx lol i even added him as my favorite here on MAL, his criticism about capitalism is very on point and relevant today
| @deg any updates on us deg? I sure hope it updated.... OT: It feels many old-timey philosophers had a tendency to make as contrived sentences as possible to convey a thought in the hopes whatever errors in reasoning they have made will be lost in the sauce. They also tended to hype up their book as the most important issue philosophy has ever tackled answered definitively which will solve all!!!!!11 This is true of Schopenhauer, true of Camus, true of Kant, and well certainly true of Wittgenstein. If I wanted to act all respectable, I could say Wittgenstein based on the best vibes and quotability out of all on the half a book I actually read of him, but I'll just be honest and say Michael Huemer. Always plainly worded yet cleverly reasoned, he is very apt in going from trivial to non-trivial and take you along with it whether you like it or not. |
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@deg any updates on us deg? I sure hope it updated....
OT: It feels many old-timey philosophers had a tendency to make as contrived sentences as possible to convey a thought in the hopes whatever errors in reasoning they have made will be lost in the sauce. They also tended to hype up their book as the most important issue philosophy has ever tackled answered definitively which will solve all!!!!!11 This is true of Schopenhauer, true of Camus, true of Kant, and well certainly true of Wittgenstein.
If I wanted to act all respectable, I could say Wittgenstein based on the best vibes and quotability out of all on the half a book I actually read of him, but I'll just be honest and say Michael Huemer. Always plainly worded yet cleverly reasoned, he is very apt in going from trivial to non-trivial and take you along with it whether you like it or not.
OT: It feels many old-timey philosophers had a tendency to make as contrived sentences as possible to convey a thought in the hopes whatever errors in reasoning they have made will be lost in the sauce. They also tended to hype up their book as the most important issue philosophy has ever tackled answered definitively which will solve all!!!!!11 This is true of Schopenhauer, true of Camus, true of Kant, and well certainly true of Wittgenstein.
If I wanted to act all respectable, I could say Wittgenstein based on the best vibes and quotability out of all on the half a book I actually read of him, but I'll just be honest and say Michael Huemer. Always plainly worded yet cleverly reasoned, he is very apt in going from trivial to non-trivial and take you along with it whether you like it or not.
| @Auron_ still the same greedflation and shrinkflation is rampant because of the rich capitalists while global inequality is still a big problem |
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@Auron_ still the same greedflation and shrinkflation is rampant because of the rich capitalists while global inequality is still a big problem
| @deg brother, how has greed inflated? We're companies less greedy before? Do they become less greedy when gas goes down? This is nonsense, whatever greed is built in, it's constant over time. There's no reason to believe it inflated And shrinkflation is just inflation. When cost of production goes up, you either increase price (which is easily noticeable), or lower grams of product (less noticeable). It's not a deliberate ploy to fuck over the customer, it's just a way to reflect the inflation onto product without making people too upset. Global inequality is not a Marxist concept, and Marxism has done nothing to alleviate it. Places like Poland or Baltics turning away from socialism onto a market orientation did. |
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@deg brother, how has greed inflated? We're companies less greedy before? Do they become less greedy when gas goes down? This is nonsense, whatever greed is built in, it's constant over time. There's no reason to believe it inflated
And shrinkflation is just inflation. When cost of production goes up, you either increase price (which is easily noticeable), or lower grams of product (less noticeable). It's not a deliberate ploy to fuck over the customer, it's just a way to reflect the inflation onto product without making people too upset.
Global inequality is not a Marxist concept, and Marxism has done nothing to alleviate it. Places like Poland or Baltics turning away from socialism onto a market orientation did.
And shrinkflation is just inflation. When cost of production goes up, you either increase price (which is easily noticeable), or lower grams of product (less noticeable). It's not a deliberate ploy to fuck over the customer, it's just a way to reflect the inflation onto product without making people too upset.
Global inequality is not a Marxist concept, and Marxism has done nothing to alleviate it. Places like Poland or Baltics turning away from socialism onto a market orientation did.
| @Auron_ ‘Greedflation’ caused more than half of last year’s inflation surge, study finds, as corporate profits remain at all-time highs https://finance.yahoo.com/news/greedflation-caused-more-half-last-100000899.html The biggest study of ‘greedflation’ yet looked at 1,300 corporations to find many of them were lying to you about inflation https://fortune.com/europe/2023/12/08/greedflation-study/ Shrinkflation allows manufacturers and retailers to increase their operating margin and profitability by reducing costs whilst maintaining sales volume, and is often used as an alternative to raising prices in line with inflation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrinkflation prices should go down for most products with how efficient manufacturing and producing becomes overtime especially with economy of scale but nope they rather shrink the quality and quantity of their products inequality is link with class struggle that marx believes especially with how the elites and 1% are being demonize this days |
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@Auron_
‘Greedflation’ caused more than half of last year’s inflation surge, study finds, as corporate profits remain at all-time highs
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/greedflation-caused-more-half-last-100000899.html
The biggest study of ‘greedflation’ yet looked at 1,300 corporations to find many of them were lying to you about inflation
https://fortune.com/europe/2023/12/08/greedflation-study/
Shrinkflation allows manufacturers and retailers to increase their operating margin and profitability by reducing costs whilst maintaining sales volume, and is often used as an alternative to raising prices in line with inflation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrinkflation
prices should go down for most products with how efficient manufacturing and producing becomes overtime especially with economy of scale but nope they rather shrink the quality and quantity of their products
inequality is link with class struggle that marx believes especially with how the elites and 1% are being demonize this days
‘Greedflation’ caused more than half of last year’s inflation surge, study finds, as corporate profits remain at all-time highs
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/greedflation-caused-more-half-last-100000899.html
The biggest study of ‘greedflation’ yet looked at 1,300 corporations to find many of them were lying to you about inflation
https://fortune.com/europe/2023/12/08/greedflation-study/
Shrinkflation allows manufacturers and retailers to increase their operating margin and profitability by reducing costs whilst maintaining sales volume, and is often used as an alternative to raising prices in line with inflation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrinkflation
prices should go down for most products with how efficient manufacturing and producing becomes overtime especially with economy of scale but nope they rather shrink the quality and quantity of their products
inequality is link with class struggle that marx believes especially with how the elites and 1% are being demonize this days
| @deg Post covid there have been companies that went under, and the remaining ones consolidated a larger share of the market, giving them more leverage over the pricing as the product got more inelastic. This is all true. That doesn't mean companies got greedier, every company operates under the profit motive at all times. Often, other companies apply downward pressure with their competition and that's great, sometimes they go under due to say covid, and there's less pressure, not so great. In either case it's not greed, it's market consolidation and inelasticity. The solution would be more competition and downward pressures. Your Wikipedia definition for shrinkflation is pretty much the same one I gave. Even with efficient manufacturing, inflation still happens. To maintain its profit margin, firms either increase prices or lower the product. They can't offer the same prices while maintaining profit margin if every ingredient and energy costs etc. increased. Sorry this is obvious. Doesn't matter when no socialist done anything for global inequality and integration to a free market of rich nations increases GDP growth by a lot. |
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@deg
Post covid there have been companies that went under, and the remaining ones consolidated a larger share of the market, giving them more leverage over the pricing as the product got more inelastic. This is all true. That doesn't mean companies got greedier, every company operates under the profit motive at all times. Often, other companies apply downward pressure with their competition and that's great, sometimes they go under due to say covid, and there's less pressure, not so great. In either case it's not greed, it's market consolidation and inelasticity. The solution would be more competition and downward pressures.
Your Wikipedia definition for shrinkflation is pretty much the same one I gave. Even with efficient manufacturing, inflation still happens. To maintain its profit margin, firms either increase prices or lower the product. They can't offer the same prices while maintaining profit margin if every ingredient and energy costs etc. increased. Sorry this is obvious.
Doesn't matter when no socialist done anything for global inequality and integration to a free market of rich nations increases GDP growth by a lot.
Post covid there have been companies that went under, and the remaining ones consolidated a larger share of the market, giving them more leverage over the pricing as the product got more inelastic. This is all true. That doesn't mean companies got greedier, every company operates under the profit motive at all times. Often, other companies apply downward pressure with their competition and that's great, sometimes they go under due to say covid, and there's less pressure, not so great. In either case it's not greed, it's market consolidation and inelasticity. The solution would be more competition and downward pressures.
Your Wikipedia definition for shrinkflation is pretty much the same one I gave. Even with efficient manufacturing, inflation still happens. To maintain its profit margin, firms either increase prices or lower the product. They can't offer the same prices while maintaining profit margin if every ingredient and energy costs etc. increased. Sorry this is obvious.
Doesn't matter when no socialist done anything for global inequality and integration to a free market of rich nations increases GDP growth by a lot.
| @Auron_ inflation happens but should not be this high of an inflation when income does not inflate too im no full socialist or communist i just want better mixed economy like the nordic model or even green economy because fully automated luxury communism will not happen in our lifetime anyway the technology for it is not here yet |
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@Auron_
‘Greedflation’ caused more than half of last year’s inflation surge, study finds, as corporate profits remain at all-time highs
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/greedflation-caused-more-half-last-100000899.html
The biggest study of ‘greedflation’ yet looked at 1,300 corporations to find many of them were lying to you about inflation
https://fortune.com/europe/2023/12/08/greedflation-study/
Shrinkflation allows manufacturers and retailers to increase their operating margin and profitability by reducing costs whilst maintaining sales volume, and is often used as an alternative to raising prices in line with inflation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrinkflation
prices should go down for most products with how efficient manufacturing and producing becomes overtime especially with economy of scale but nope they rather shrink the quality and quantity of their products
inequality is link with class struggle that marx believes especially with how the elites and 1% are being demonize this days
‘Greedflation’ caused more than half of last year’s inflation surge, study finds, as corporate profits remain at all-time highs
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/greedflation-caused-more-half-last-100000899.html
The biggest study of ‘greedflation’ yet looked at 1,300 corporations to find many of them were lying to you about inflation
https://fortune.com/europe/2023/12/08/greedflation-study/
Shrinkflation allows manufacturers and retailers to increase their operating margin and profitability by reducing costs whilst maintaining sales volume, and is often used as an alternative to raising prices in line with inflation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrinkflation
prices should go down for most products with how efficient manufacturing and producing becomes overtime especially with economy of scale but nope they rather shrink the quality and quantity of their products
inequality is link with class struggle that marx believes especially with how the elites and 1% are being demonize this days
| @deg You really need to understand how money and inflation works rather than regurgitate media lies. Any school of economics can tell you that inflation is caused by an increase in the money supply, that doesn't correlate to an increase in production, which is exactly what happened over covid, and continues to happen with "foreign aid" spending warping the economy by funnelling resources into every new war that starts each week. You are peddling utter nonsense. Marx's theories of labour and value are completely incorrect as well. |
DreamWindowMay 2, 10:53 PM
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@deg
You really need to understand how money and inflation works rather than regurgitate media lies. Any school of economics can tell you that inflation is caused by an increase in the money supply, that doesn't correlate to an increase in production, which is exactly what happened over covid, and continues to happen with "foreign aid" spending warping the economy by funnelling resources into every new war that starts each week. You are peddling utter nonsense. Marx's theories of labour and value are completely incorrect as well.
You really need to understand how money and inflation works rather than regurgitate media lies. Any school of economics can tell you that inflation is caused by an increase in the money supply, that doesn't correlate to an increase in production, which is exactly what happened over covid, and continues to happen with "foreign aid" spending warping the economy by funnelling resources into every new war that starts each week. You are peddling utter nonsense. Marx's theories of labour and value are completely incorrect as well.
| @DreamWindow Labor theory of value has been around for millenias, the greatest minds of the past (from Aristotle to Thomas Aquinas to Ricardo and many more) adhered to variations of it. I am no expert but my understanding is that in Marx' variation of the LTV what matters is the "socially necessary labor" i.e the value of the object is NOT directly the time YOU spend producing it, but an average of how much time is generally required to produce said item. In other word if a chair usually requires 8h to make that's it's value. If you are a Chad who makes it in 4 then congrats, your product is still worth 8h of labor. If you are a lazy bastard who needs 12h then no luck buddy git gud, your chair is still only worth 8h. Adam Smith's one didn't account for unproductive labor activity. What Marx changed that so the LTV accounted for the value of all commodities. They called it the Cost Theory of Value. |
| Definitely Kierkegaard - his viewpoints on life, meaning of existence, and a whole lot more have always been such fascination of mine. |
| What if we watched Evangelion in the sewer...? |
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@DreamWindow
Labor theory of value has been around for millenias, the greatest minds of the past (from Aristotle to Thomas Aquinas to Ricardo and many more) adhered to variations of it.
I am no expert but my understanding is that in Marx' variation of the LTV what matters is the "socially necessary labor" i.e the value of the object is NOT directly the time YOU spend producing it, but an average of how much time is generally required to produce said item.
In other word if a chair usually requires 8h to make that's it's value. If you are a Chad who makes it in 4 then congrats, your product is still worth 8h of labor. If you are a lazy bastard who needs 12h then no luck buddy git gud, your chair is still only worth 8h.
Adam Smith's one didn't account for unproductive labor activity. What Marx changed that so the LTV accounted for the value of all commodities.
They called it the Cost Theory of Value.
Labor theory of value has been around for millenias, the greatest minds of the past (from Aristotle to Thomas Aquinas to Ricardo and many more) adhered to variations of it.
I am no expert but my understanding is that in Marx' variation of the LTV what matters is the "socially necessary labor" i.e the value of the object is NOT directly the time YOU spend producing it, but an average of how much time is generally required to produce said item.
In other word if a chair usually requires 8h to make that's it's value. If you are a Chad who makes it in 4 then congrats, your product is still worth 8h of labor. If you are a lazy bastard who needs 12h then no luck buddy git gud, your chair is still only worth 8h.
Adam Smith's one didn't account for unproductive labor activity. What Marx changed that so the LTV accounted for the value of all commodities.
They called it the Cost Theory of Value.
| @vasipi4946 The amount of time and labour it takes to produce the product is not it's value. It is a factor, to be sure, but by the time the product reaches the market, it's value is determined by the subjective variations of individuals seeking to purchase that item. There is no objective value to it. Marx's theory of labour is that the capitalist model of production extracts "surplus value" from the product and the labourer, but this supposes that the product and the labour put into it has an objective value to begin with, which is simply not true. If it takes you 8 hours to make a single chair, and then someone else comes along and mass produces chairs, and makes them way faster, nobody is going to pay the old price anymore, since there is a large abundance of chairs now, that can be produced more cheaply. The wealth that the new technology brings means that the value of the chair cannot remain the same as it was before. That doesn't mean that the chair is inherently "worth" eight hours. It's value is relative to the people who are willing to purchase it, based on their own wants and needs. I'd recommend reading The Theory of Money and Credit by Ludwig Von Mises. It clears a lot of this up. |
DreamWindowMay 2, 11:23 PM
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