Japan's weekly TV Anime Rankings

kuroshiroi said:
Why the hell don't some producers try selling cheap DVDs? It doesn't take a mathematician to see that 60,000x700~10,000x4,000 and that 60,000x700>>2,000x4,000.

Considering the cost of DVD disc, packaging, shipping, and the share of the retailers, 707 yen is almost equal to the cost. I think no matter how many copies of the volume 1 were sold, they get little profit out of it.

Oct 18, 2008 6:11 AM by dtshyk

Why the hell don't some producers try selling cheap DVDs? It doesn't take a mathematician to see that 60,000x700~10,000x4,000 and that 60,000x700>>2,000x4,000.

Oct 18, 2008 5:37 AM by kuroshiroi

felo said:

remember that haruhi is very popular among otaku and non-otaku fans, and haruhi is only 14 ep long, when nana is like 52 ep, i think it was

Alright, the example of Haruhi was not fair. How about these?

Gintama 4,725 yen for four episide DVD

DEATH NOTE 3,990 yen for three episode DVD

Oct 17, 2008 5:25 PM by dtshyk

dtshyk said:

I was mostly referring to the fact that i.e. Yozakura Quartet was way higher Clannad After Story. Also, Golgo 13?

CLANNAD AS was aired immediately after Yozakura.
Yozakura 1:30 am - 2:00 am
CLANNAD AS 2:00 am - 2:30 am
I think Yozakura got a higher rating than CLANNAD simply because it was aired earlier.
cf.
Nodame 0:45 am - 1:15 am
Hyakko 2:30 am - 3:00 am

kuroshiroi said:

Does the general public buy any DVDs or is that where the Otaku tastes are revealed?

There is an interesting case suitable to look into this issue. It's the DVD sales of NANA.
NANA manga is popular among non-Otaku female fans. To appeal to these fans, who rarely purchase anime DVD, the price of NANA anime DVD volume 1 was set as 707 yen. The rest of the volumes were priced 3990 yen. Here is the outcome.

NANA
volume/ first week/ two weeks total/ three weeks total
vol.01 27,325 43,045 50,235 (seven weeks total 60,070)
vol.02 *6,655 *9,153 10,226
vol.03 *5,595 *7,271 *8,165
vol.04 *4,519 *6,034
vol.05 *3,961 *5,585
vol.06 *3,463
vol.07 *3,710
SP 7.8 *3,480 *5,296
vol.08 *3,399
vol.09 *3,259
vol.10 *2,924
vol.11 *2,492
vol.12 *2,516
vol.13 *2,119
vol.14 *1,919
vol.15 *1,909
vol.16 *1,843
vol.17 *1,803

97% of those who purchased the volume one had dropped out until when the last volume was released. 3,990 yen for three episode DVD was pretty cheap compared to normal anime DVD (eg. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 6,930 yen for two episode DVD), but keeping on purchasing DVD and completing the whole series was not an easy job for non-Otaku people.

remember that haruhi is very popular among otaku and non-otaku fans, and haruhi is only 14 ep long, when nana is like 52 ep, i think it was

Oct 17, 2008 2:53 PM by GrumpyFelo

I was mostly referring to the fact that i.e. Yozakura Quartet was way higher Clannad After Story. Also, Golgo 13?

CLANNAD AS was aired immediately after Yozakura.
Yozakura 1:30 am - 2:00 am
CLANNAD AS 2:00 am - 2:30 am
I think Yozakura got a higher rating than CLANNAD simply because it was aired earlier.
cf.
Nodame 0:45 am - 1:15 am
Hyakko 2:30 am - 3:00 am

kuroshiroi said:

Does the general public buy any DVDs or is that where the Otaku tastes are revealed?

There is an interesting case suitable to look into this issue. It's the DVD sales of NANA.
NANA manga is popular among non-Otaku female fans. To appeal to these fans, who rarely purchase anime DVD, the price of NANA anime DVD volume 1 was set as 707 yen. The rest of the volumes were priced 3990 yen. Here is the outcome.

NANA
volume/ first week/ two weeks total/ three weeks total
vol.01 27,325 43,045 50,235 (seven weeks total 60,070)
vol.02 *6,655 *9,153 10,226
vol.03 *5,595 *7,271 *8,165
vol.04 *4,519 *6,034
vol.05 *3,961 *5,585
vol.06 *3,463
vol.07 *3,710
SP 7.8 *3,480 *5,296
vol.08 *3,399
vol.09 *3,259
vol.10 *2,924
vol.11 *2,492
vol.12 *2,516
vol.13 *2,119
vol.14 *1,919
vol.15 *1,909
vol.16 *1,843
vol.17 *1,803

97% of those who purchased the volume one had dropped out until when the last volume was released. 3,990 yen for three episode DVD was pretty cheap compared to normal anime DVD (eg. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 6,930 yen for two episode DVD), but keeping on purchasing DVD and completing the whole series was not an easy job for non-Otaku people.

Oct 17, 2008 2:54 AM by dtshyk

Ah, I see. I wasn't actually referring to the top 10 shows, I know that there aren't 25 million otaku who watch Sazae-san. I was mostly referring to the fact that i.e. Yozakura Quartet was way higher Clannad After Story. Also, Golgo 13?

But it seems that these shows are mostly watched by the general public anyway and the otaku just download/buy DVDs or most likely, aren't included in the ratings.

Does the general public buy any DVDs or is that where the otaku tastes are revealed?

Edit: Spelling.

Oct 17, 2008 2:11 AM by kuroshiroi

Maora said:

Sadly, they don't count us that watch online. D: If they did, Gundam would be #1 already. xD

It's a bit irrelevant to post this here, but Minori (the game company of "ef") made an announcement to the fans.

Minori said:

The online streaming of ef started on the official site (http://www.ef-melo.com/streaming.html) and Animate TV (http://www.animate.tv/).
We sincerely beg the fans who are watching ef - a tale of melodies - online to watch the legal stream videos not the illegal materials. Please understand that only the statistics based on the legal materials are effective in the business negotiations.

Oct 16, 2008 11:28 PM by dtshyk

im happy to see one peice is quite high :D plus half of the list i neva even heard of before

Oct 16, 2008 10:34 PM by AnimeQT

It's pretty funny how all the stupid anime always end up at top....

Kids watching animu > Other people watching animu.

Sadly, they don't count us that watch online. D: If they did, Gundam would be #1 already. xD

Oct 16, 2008 10:27 PM by Maora

felo said:

and toradora, nodame and clannad not being up there is rare, same as index and chaos head

37, 1.5% N/A Toradora! (NEW) N
27, 2.4% N/A CLANNAD After Story (NEW) N

The first episode of Nodame was aired on Oct 9th, so not included in this ranking.
Toaru Majutsu no Index and Chaos Head are not aired on the major TV channels (only available on local and satellite channels).
Living in Japan doesn't mean you can watch all the anime. There is a differential of the number of anime aired city by city.

Oct 16, 2008 10:11 PM by dtshyk

running_lemon said:

kuroshiroi said:
Our Japanese otaku friends have wildly different tastes from us. I'd like to see a comparison between this top 41 list and MAL's watching numbers.

I don't think the Japanese Otaku culture really has that much of an effect on the T.V. ratings. I mean, do you really think all the people who watch Sazae-san, Keroro Gunso, and Pokemon are Otaku?

No, people who watch Sazae-san probably include a lot of older people who don't really watch anime but, have watched Sazae-san maybe their whole lives, and keep watching it.

yeah, is like the simpsons on the states, it never ends lolz

Oct 16, 2008 9:58 PM by GrumpyFelo

11, 4.4% 3.3% Shugo Chara! Doki! M
damn amu is still going strong after 53 episodes, peach pit delivers
and toradora, nodame and clannad not being up there is rare, same as index and chaos head

Oct 16, 2008 9:54 PM by GrumpyFelo

Naruto Shippuuden, One Piece, Pokemon: Diamond & Pearl, and Sergeant Frog/SGT. FROG FTW :D!

Oct 16, 2008 9:53 PM by KidRyan

long live One Piece XD
How long is that show?

Oct 16, 2008 5:30 PM by artwithjustin

waa....its a cuthroat business hehe

Oct 16, 2008 2:57 PM by kisami

*cough cough*

I ARE G00NDUMB!!!1!shift11

Gundam is like Star Wars for Japanese, isn't it?

Oct 16, 2008 11:11 AM by Nobleman

running_lemon said:

kuroshiroi said:
Our Japanese otaku friends have wildly different tastes from us. I'd like to see a comparison between this top 41 list and MAL's watching numbers.

I don't think the Japanese Otaku culture really has that much of an effect on the T.V. ratings. I mean, do you really think all the people who watch Sazae-san, Keroro Gunso, and Pokemon are Otaku?

No, people who watch Sazae-san probably include a lot of older people who don't really watch anime but, have watched Sazae-san maybe their whole lives, and keep watching it. A lot of the other shows are like that, or are massively popular kids shows.

Seems like people are always so surprised when they see these rankings every week and expect to see a bunch of shows that are popular over the internet, like on this site. I think those people are just overestimating the Japanese otaku culture a little bit. At least when it comes to something like T.V ratings, things like DVD sales are another thing entirely.

Indeed.

"Otaku" don't watch much of anything truly popular at all. You'll be lucky to see shows truly embraced by people who would be considered otaku break into the top ten (it does happen, but it's almost always in the bottom spots).

Some people here seem to have some weird idea about how widespread "otaku culture" is in Japan. They are a small fringe group of socially awkward nerds, just like they are in this country. They just happen to be closer to the original source and thus more directly marketed to by anime producers themselves.

Oct 15, 2008 11:42 PM by MetatronM

kuroshiroi said:
Our Japanese otaku friends have wildly different tastes from us. I'd like to see a comparison between this top 41 list and MAL's watching numbers.

I don't think the Japanese Otaku culture really has that much of an effect on the T.V. ratings. I mean, do you really think all the people who watch Sazae-san, Keroro Gunso, and Pokemon are Otaku?

No, people who watch Sazae-san probably include a lot of older people who don't really watch anime but, have watched Sazae-san maybe their whole lives, and keep watching it. A lot of the other shows are like that, or are massively popular kids shows.

Seems like people are always so surprised when they see these rankings every week and expect to see a bunch of shows that are popular over the internet, like on this site. I think those people are just overestimating the Japanese otaku culture a little bit. At least when it comes to something like T.V ratings, things like DVD sales are another thing entirely.

Oct 15, 2008 8:54 PM by running_lemon

Denmi-Sama said:
Just wondering, what site do you get this info from???

2channel TV rating & DVD sales threads have been collecting information since 2003. We divide the works and collect info from TV company customer centers, anime producers' blogs, magazines and newspapers. Sometimes the employees of the TV rating research company leak the info they have. The validity of the information is regularly checked by the paper media. I'm updating the TV rating info in my blog. If you wanna have the latest temporal data, visit here. As for the DVD sales data, consult this database.

Oct 15, 2008 8:31 PM by dtshyk

One Piece is in Third!!! Beautiful! Very Cool! XD

Oct 15, 2008 7:10 PM by Cello