The Fragrant Flower Blooms With Dignity
| Now don't get me wrong I think the anime is decent but my God an episode can't pass without an apology or a thanks every two minutes. At this point the characters are apologizing for existing while simultaneously thanking the others for every breath they take. For manga readers does the dialogue improve later on? Or is this kind of a part of the work identity at this point? |
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| True story, I agree, except for the decent part. |
nhc9 said: Now don't get me wrong I think the anime is decent but my God an episode can't pass without an apology or a thanks every two minutes. At this point the characters are apologizing for existing while simultaneously thanking the others for every breath they take. For manga readers does the dialogue improve later on? Or is this kind of a part of the work identity at this point? It's realistic dialogue. I live in Japan and we say these words literally all the time. |
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| cringe is what you get when an author is bad at writing and preys on people getting overly emotional |
| It's arguably the most melodramatic manga I've read and it will remain that way. But let's not pretend like the overexaggerate trope doesn't exist in most romance anime |
anemoiaism said: can't wait for someone to eventually call this wholesomeslop. man 😭 Low key but I’m fine with it. No ecchi, melodrama instead of fabricated unrealistic conflicts, and characters act as expected. They are mostly relatable perhaps outside of apologizing for existing. Biggest thing boosting this rating has to be animation quality. If the animation was mid and Waguri not being farmed as the cutest thing on earth this probably would be somewhere in the 7’s |
| so the anime-onlys are finally pointing it out too lmao. |
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Reply to H1NAT4
another post complaining about how its wrong to apologize so i guess misunderstandings should just happen.
you dont like the anime, then dont watch.
you dont like the anime, then dont watch.
| @H1NAT4 as if you couldn't just explain without apologizing. What's the meaning of an apology if it's used too often? |
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That's Japan for you!
| @Anyafooojaa QFT. Nothing is perfect :) So I will live with it. The show is a rare gem in its genre and at the top of it in my book. If anyone can point to a better one, feel free to compare. Many of the shows can actually use some Arigato Gomenasai, lol (looking at you, Toradora :D) |
AlexGKSep 6, 6:29 AM
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@The_Spectre_01 I guess the best reference point would be The Angel Next Door Spoil Me Rotten… Actually that have a better narrative but weaker anime and you can see the score
| @ForestWoodSL I agree with you, an anime with beautiful animation will always gain massive pre-air hype but without having a good narrative to back it up it'll just become another "style over substance" flop. This is what happened to Roshidere and its score is even lower than Angel Next Door. As a romance fan, sincerity outweights visuals so that didn't bother me much because I watched Angel Next Door for its story and feelings - not visuals. |
RaiYouYesterday, 4:10 AM
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@ForestWoodSL I agree with you, an anime with beautiful animation will always gain massive pre-air hype but without having a good narrative to back it up it'll just become another "style over substance" flop. This is what happened to Roshidere and its score is even lower than Angel Next Door.
As a romance fan, sincerity outweights visuals so that didn't bother me much because I watched Angel Next Door for its story and feelings - not visuals.
As a romance fan, sincerity outweights visuals so that didn't bother me much because I watched Angel Next Door for its story and feelings - not visuals.
| @RaiYou Do you recommend reading Angel Next Door after the confession? I dropped the light novel series at volume 5 because I don't see any direction after the confession~ Many readers told me to avoid reading volume 8 onwards, they did not explain much on this, so I need more opinions on this~ For light novels, novels published by bigger publishers (Sneaker Bunko, Dengeki Bunko, Fantasia Bunko, MF Bunko) tend to sell much better than novels published by smaller publishers (HJ Bunko, DX Bunko, Brave Novels)~ For comparison with sales numbers: Roshidere (published by Sneaker Bunko, one of the largest romance publishers): 5m (highest selling romcom after Full Metal Panic) Angel Next Door (published by GA Bunko, big publisher but not as big as Sneaker Bunko): 3m Otonari Asobi (published by DX Bunko, a small publisher that very few LN readers heard of): 100k I think the anime side is still slower than light novel side when it comes to romance genre~ In anime nowadays, most of the tropes are dense male leads or tsunderes (toxic romance)~ While in light novel side, dense male leads and tsunderes tropes are pretty much dead. Most of the tropes nowadays are gyarus, yanderes, foreign heroines, stepsisters~ I think cohabitation romance is the most popular romance genre nowadays, probably due to Angel Next Door popularity? |
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@RaiYou
Do you recommend reading Angel Next Door after the confession?
I dropped the light novel series at volume 5 because I don't see any direction after the confession~
Many readers told me to avoid reading volume 8 onwards, they did not explain much on this, so I need more opinions on this~
For light novels, novels published by bigger publishers (Sneaker Bunko, Dengeki Bunko, Fantasia Bunko, MF Bunko) tend to sell much better than novels published by smaller publishers (HJ Bunko, DX Bunko, Brave Novels)~
For comparison with sales numbers:
Roshidere (published by Sneaker Bunko, one of the largest romance publishers): 5m (highest selling romcom after Full Metal Panic)
Angel Next Door (published by GA Bunko, big publisher but not as big as Sneaker Bunko): 3m
Otonari Asobi (published by DX Bunko, a small publisher that very few LN readers heard of): 100k
I think the anime side is still slower than light novel side when it comes to romance genre~
In anime nowadays, most of the tropes are dense male leads or tsunderes (toxic romance)~
While in light novel side, dense male leads and tsunderes tropes are pretty much dead. Most of the tropes nowadays are gyarus, yanderes, foreign heroines, stepsisters~
I think cohabitation romance is the most popular romance genre nowadays, probably due to Angel Next Door popularity?
Do you recommend reading Angel Next Door after the confession?
I dropped the light novel series at volume 5 because I don't see any direction after the confession~
Many readers told me to avoid reading volume 8 onwards, they did not explain much on this, so I need more opinions on this~
For light novels, novels published by bigger publishers (Sneaker Bunko, Dengeki Bunko, Fantasia Bunko, MF Bunko) tend to sell much better than novels published by smaller publishers (HJ Bunko, DX Bunko, Brave Novels)~
For comparison with sales numbers:
Roshidere (published by Sneaker Bunko, one of the largest romance publishers): 5m (highest selling romcom after Full Metal Panic)
Angel Next Door (published by GA Bunko, big publisher but not as big as Sneaker Bunko): 3m
Otonari Asobi (published by DX Bunko, a small publisher that very few LN readers heard of): 100k
I think the anime side is still slower than light novel side when it comes to romance genre~
In anime nowadays, most of the tropes are dense male leads or tsunderes (toxic romance)~
While in light novel side, dense male leads and tsunderes tropes are pretty much dead. Most of the tropes nowadays are gyarus, yanderes, foreign heroines, stepsisters~
I think cohabitation romance is the most popular romance genre nowadays, probably due to Angel Next Door popularity?
| @NewestPersonHere Why wouldn't I? Angel Next Door is one of the few series where it will continue after the confession, something we don't usually get nowadays. 3 million copies ain't bad since BGS took 10 years to reach that number~ Unless the sequel manages to rehabilitate Roshidere's reputation it will be dismissed as an incest-bait show than a romance for good. The only positive thing about this anime is beautiful animation, but that can't cover a weak storytelling at all. |
RaiYouYesterday, 8:42 AM
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@NewestPersonHere Why wouldn't I? Angel Next Door is one of the few series where it will continue after the confession, something we don't usually get nowadays. 3 million copies ain't bad since BGS took 10 years to reach that number~
Unless the sequel manages to rehabilitate Roshidere's reputation it will be dismissed as an incest-bait show than a romance for good. The only positive thing about this anime is beautiful animation, but that can't cover a weak storytelling at all.
Unless the sequel manages to rehabilitate Roshidere's reputation it will be dismissed as an incest-bait show than a romance for good. The only positive thing about this anime is beautiful animation, but that can't cover a weak storytelling at all.
RaiYou said: Why wouldn't I? Angel Next Door is one of the few series where it will continue after the confession, something we don't usually get nowadays. 3 million copies ain't bad since BGS took 10 years to reach that number~ Romance novels that continue after confessions are pretty common though~ Let me see how many romance novels I can name. Gimai Seikatsu. Confessed in volume 7, volume 15 publishing in October. Introvert Hookup Hiccups. Confessed in volume 5, volume 12 published last week. Omiai. Confessed in volume 3, ended in volume 8. Otonari Asobi. Confessed in volume 3, volume 8 confirmed. Quderella Next Door. Confessed in volume 3, ended in volume 4. There are some romance novels that start with the couple being together such as Danshi Da, Gyaru Stepsister or Villainess Fiancee I can still name more romance novels but most of them are not in MAL database~ Looks like Gimai Seikatsu is the only one that has been adapted~ Still considering if I should pick up Angel Next Door again. Should I read volume 5.5? Should I drop after volume 7 as recommended by other romance fans? Hard decision~ RaiYou said: Unless the sequel manages to rehabilitate Roshidere's reputation it will be dismissed as an incest-bait show than a romance for good. The only positive thing about this anime is beautiful animation, but that can't cover a weak storytelling at all. Roshidere S2 will likely adapt volume 4-6. I can summarise these 3 volumes in several words. Volume 4: ECCHI Volume 5: Masha being cute Volume 6: AMERICANISATION I don't really enjoy these 3 volumes other than the fake school shooting in volume 6. I also started enjoying Roshidere in volume 8 when Alya begins to aggressively seduce Masachika. The main story of Roshidere is the student council president election, something I still don't care about in volume 10. I am only reading the novels for Alya's seduction attempts. XP I think Roshidere sells well because of publisher's marketing. Kadokawa titles tend to sell much better. I like British Stepsister more than Roshidere but it is not in MAL database because it is published by a smaller publisher. XD |
| @NewestPersonHere Still considering if I should pick up Angel Next Door again. Should I read volume 5.5? Should I drop after volume 7 as recommended by other romance fans? Hard decision~ Follow this reading order and your experience will be better =) The main story of Roshidere is the student council president election, something I still don't care about in volume 10. Roshidere is basically a copy of Classroom of The Elite but with romance sprinkled in it then, that kind of melodrama doesn't fit for a show that was meant to be a light romcom... I think Roshidere sells well because of publisher's marketing. Kadokawa titles tend to sell much better. They did a lot of promos, taking into account the LN had high sales and Roshidere was animated by Doga Kobo so expectations were sky-high; but fans were disappointed because the story didn't align with the expectation in the end. I don't know if you care about its rating but the constant decline should reflect how overrated this show is. It's currently rated 7.57 and will drop further unless the show redeems itself in S2.  To the OP: I'm not a manga reader, but it's kind of a part of the work identity indeed. It doesn't really annoy me because it's to portray how polite and respectful the characters are to each other, and I prefer that compared to more toxic dynamics in other series. |
RaiYouToday, 6:46 AM
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| Yup, glad I'm not the only one that felt that pretty hard. |
| 35 years old ossan who still watches anime |
| I like this series quite a bit and even when reading the manga, this was something that was slightly bothersome about it for me to be honest. It doesn't ruin the series for me completely, but it does feel a bit too over-the-top and forced with the amount it pulls this, almost on a chapter-by-chapter basis at times. At least there's more than a good amount about this series that still delivers quite well. |
| I honestly don’t get how this show has an 8.7 rating. It feels like it focuses more on Rintaro’s relationships with his boyfriends than on his relationship with Waguri. |
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