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Now don't get me wrong I think the anime is decent but my God an episode can't pass without an apology or a thanks every two minutes. At this point the characters are apologizing for existing while simultaneously thanking the others for every breath they take.

For manga readers does the dialogue improve later on? Or is this kind of a part of the work identity at this point?
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Nah, it's an identity of this manga 😁
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Not gonna lie, Ts was unnecessary
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True story, I agree, except for the decent part.
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You've picked up on the pattern. I just caught up, and yea its a part of the identity. This series tries too hard to be perfect and inoffensive which is not realistic.

A series that tries to be wholesome and please everyone will probably naturally have a high rating. So I get the appeal, but real life is not a fairy tale
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I don't get why this get high rating
Sep 4, 5:39 AM
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Kinda improve later but there’s gonna be one obstacle more and ofc including the apology of other kikyo girls
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Only thing I’m picking up about this anime is that it’s just ‘boys vs girls’ like what you’ll hear little kids say
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nhc9 said:
Now don't get me wrong I think the anime is decent but my God an episode can't pass without an apology or a thanks every two minutes. At this point the characters are apologizing for existing while simultaneously thanking the others for every breath they take.

For manga readers does the dialogue improve later on? Or is this kind of a part of the work identity at this point?

It's realistic dialogue. I live in Japan and we say these words literally all the time.
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This is a special show because it does not contain cheap commercial porn scenes like other animes like Marin Cosplay
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can't wait for someone to eventually call this wholesomeslop. man 😭
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It is so upsetting that this piece of fiction based on Japanese culture does not reflect western reality!!
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mohamd_5011 said:
This is a special show because it does not contain cheap commercial porn scenes like other animes like Marin Cosplay

Ig, you don't know what porn is.
Sep 4, 8:11 AM
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off topic, I love the anime but it has unnecessary high score imo (even tho I currently have it on 10). lots of romance anime back then deserves to have this high score. I feel like scoring here in MAL has gotten lax these past few years. It used be critical back then way too critical even.
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mohamd_5011 said:
This is a special show because it does not contain cheap commercial porn scenes like other animes like Marin Cosplay

lmao Dress up Darling S2 is the tamest ecchi I’ve ever seen if that is already porn for you would die seeing older ecchi anime.
Sep 4, 8:28 AM
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literally every post on this anime is about this. why was this necessary?
Sep 4, 9:25 AM
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another post complaining about how its wrong to apologize so i guess misunderstandings should just happen.

you dont like the anime, then dont watch.
Sep 4, 9:47 AM
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You know, what I’ve noticed about the online discussions about this series is that people who complain about this series repeating certain words sure do repeat a certain complaint a lot.

It’s pretty ironic honestly, but I guess that’s par for the course with anime social media (and social media in general).
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It definitely needs some "plot" for gooners to enjoy it.
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frlulu said:
Only thing I’m picking up about this anime is that it’s just ‘boys vs girls’ like what you’ll hear little kids say

If you didn't read manga than yes
Sep 4, 10:17 AM
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Damn, I guess there are more people that hate the show than love it
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FruitsPunchSedy said:
Damn, I guess there are more people that hate the show than love it

Nope, it has 8.71 rating. This is a classic example of a vocal minority.
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nhc9 said:
Now don't get me wrong I think the anime is decent but my God an episode can't pass without an apology or a thanks every two minutes. At this point the characters are apologizing for existing while simultaneously thanking the others for every breath they take.

For manga readers does the dialogue improve later on? Or is this kind of a part of the work identity at this point?

Its not even that. I feel like the dialogue in general feels very stiff and repetitive. I might be nitpicking here, but for a show to be rated at an 8.9 you cant have this kind of dialogue.
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mohamd_5011 said:
This is a special show because it does not contain cheap commercial porn scenes like other animes like Marin Cosplay

Oh yeah special show, because sex and nudity definitely dont exist in real life right? Surely not.

Sorry youre too childish to appreciate an actual mature seinen story
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cringe is what you get when an author is bad at writing and preys on people getting overly emotional
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It's arguably the most melodramatic manga I've read and it will remain that way. But let's not pretend like the overexaggerate trope doesn't exist in most romance anime
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nhc9 said:
Now don't get me wrong I think the anime is decent but my God an episode can't pass without an apology or a thanks every two minutes. At this point the characters are apologizing for existing while simultaneously thanking the others for every breath they take.

For manga readers does the dialogue improve later on? Or is this kind of a part of the work identity at this point?

I read the manga. They double down on it.
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anemoiaism said:
can't wait for someone to eventually call this wholesomeslop. man 😭

Low key but I’m fine with it. No ecchi, melodrama instead of fabricated unrealistic conflicts, and characters act as expected. They are mostly relatable perhaps outside of apologizing for existing. Biggest thing boosting this rating has to be animation quality. If the animation was mid and Waguri not being farmed as the cutest thing on earth this probably would be somewhere in the 7’s
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FreedomFighter28 said:
anemoiaism said:
can't wait for someone to eventually call this wholesomeslop. man 😭

Low key but I’m fine with it. No ecchi, melodrama instead of fabricated unrealistic conflicts, and characters act as expected. They are mostly relatable perhaps outside of apologizing for existing. Biggest thing boosting this rating has to be animation quality. If the animation was mid and Waguri not being farmed as the cutest thing on earth this probably would be somewhere in the 7’s

I mean, I suppose I could see it being a 7.80-8.20 without all the hyping up and quality animation, but according to manga readers, there's a lot more to its high rating. I think the characters are pretty well-written so far & the plot is definitely not completely unrealistic. The melodrama sits neatly under being over the top and makes for a smooth and emotionally resonant experience, I guess. All in all, it's definitely slightly overhyped but easily above mediocre, if that makes any sense
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so the anime-onlys are finally pointing it out too lmao.
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another post complaining about how its wrong to apologize so i guess misunderstandings should just happen.

you dont like the anime, then dont watch.
@H1NAT4 as if you couldn't just explain without apologizing. What's the meaning of an apology if it's used too often?


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H1NAT4 said:
another post complaining about how its wrong to apologize so i guess misunderstandings should just happen.

you dont like the anime, then dont watch.

its not wrong to apologize, but when its used often, its like a bandaid approach. why apply a bandaid when you can just prevent the wound.

do not be sorry, just be better. apologies are worthless if they are used too often. why is this the only show that overuses sorry and thank you? many other shows that are also based in japan don't force it this much

as if an apology can "cure" people's pain so easily. they don't
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That's Japan for you!
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That's Japan for you!
@Anyafooojaa QFT.

Nothing is perfect :)
So I will live with it. The show is a rare gem in its genre and at the top of it in my book. If anyone can point to a better one, feel free to compare. Many of the shows can actually use some Arigato Gomenasai, lol (looking at you, Toradora :D)
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anemoiaism said:
can't wait for someone to eventually call this wholesomeslop. man 😭

Low key but I’m fine with it. No ecchi, melodrama instead of fabricated unrealistic conflicts, and characters act as expected. They are mostly relatable perhaps outside of apologizing for existing. Biggest thing boosting this rating has to be animation quality. If the animation was mid and Waguri not being farmed as the cutest thing on earth this probably would be somewhere in the 7’s

I mean, I suppose I could see it being a 7.80-8.20 without all the hyping up and quality animation, but according to manga readers, there's a lot more to its high rating. I think the characters are pretty well-written so far & the plot is definitely not completely unrealistic. The melodrama sits neatly under being over the top and makes for a smooth and emotionally resonant experience, I guess. All in all, it's definitely slightly overhyped but easily above mediocre, if that makes any sense
@anemoiaism Without quality animation I don't think this anime would even make 7.6-7.7 tbh. MAL users grossly underestimate just how much animation quality can increase the ratings of any anime. Heck, even anime like Frieren, Demon Slayer and AOT might not even make an 8.5 with passable animation.
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@Anyafooojaa QFT.

Nothing is perfect :)
So I will live with it. The show is a rare gem in its genre and at the top of it in my book. If anyone can point to a better one, feel free to compare. Many of the shows can actually use some Arigato Gomenasai, lol (looking at you, Toradora :D)
@AlexGK I don't see how this anime is better than shows like Kaguya Sama tbh
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@anemoiaism Without quality animation I don't think this anime would even make 7.6-7.7 tbh. MAL users grossly underestimate just how much animation quality can increase the ratings of any anime. Heck, even anime like Frieren, Demon Slayer and AOT might not even make an 8.5 with passable animation.
@The_Spectre_01 I guess the best reference point would be The Angel Next Door Spoil Me Rotten… Actually that have a better narrative but weaker anime and you can see the score
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@The_Spectre_01 I guess the best reference point would be The Angel Next Door Spoil Me Rotten… Actually that have a better narrative but weaker anime and you can see the score
@ForestWoodSL I agree with you, an anime with beautiful animation will always gain massive pre-air hype but without having a good narrative to back it up it'll just become another "style over substance" flop. This is what happened to Roshidere and its score is even lower than Angel Next Door.

As a romance fan, sincerity outweights visuals so that didn't bother me much because I watched Angel Next Door for its story and feelings - not visuals.
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It definitely needs some "plot" for gooners to enjoy it.

That depends on the type of gooners but I don't jerk off to anime that I actually watch so I am not gooner but there is enough of it in this anime. I can jerk off to those blushing faces but I just won't.
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The_Best_Tastes said:
It is so upsetting that this piece of fiction based on Japanese culture does not reflect western reality!!

Yeah and you know what? They speak Japanese! Like literally. Thats so disrespectful to America. There is only one great country which is America and one great language which is english. Every person on earth should know that. Everyone should adapt American culture. Also Jesus is your savior.
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overrated 8.70 ??
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@ForestWoodSL I agree with you, an anime with beautiful animation will always gain massive pre-air hype but without having a good narrative to back it up it'll just become another "style over substance" flop. This is what happened to Roshidere and its score is even lower than Angel Next Door.

As a romance fan, sincerity outweights visuals so that didn't bother me much because I watched Angel Next Door for its story and feelings - not visuals.
@RaiYou

Do you recommend reading Angel Next Door after the confession?

I dropped the light novel series at volume 5 because I don't see any direction after the confession~

Many readers told me to avoid reading volume 8 onwards, they did not explain much on this, so I need more opinions on this~



For light novels, novels published by bigger publishers (Sneaker Bunko, Dengeki Bunko, Fantasia Bunko, MF Bunko) tend to sell much better than novels published by smaller publishers (HJ Bunko, DX Bunko, Brave Novels)~

For comparison with sales numbers:
Roshidere (published by Sneaker Bunko, one of the largest romance publishers): 5m (highest selling romcom after Full Metal Panic)
Angel Next Door (published by GA Bunko, big publisher but not as big as Sneaker Bunko): 3m
Otonari Asobi (published by DX Bunko, a small publisher that very few LN readers heard of): 100k

I think the anime side is still slower than light novel side when it comes to romance genre~
In anime nowadays, most of the tropes are dense male leads or tsunderes (toxic romance)~
While in light novel side, dense male leads and tsunderes tropes are pretty much dead. Most of the tropes nowadays are gyarus, yanderes, foreign heroines, stepsisters~

I think cohabitation romance is the most popular romance genre nowadays, probably due to Angel Next Door popularity?
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@RaiYou

Do you recommend reading Angel Next Door after the confession?

I dropped the light novel series at volume 5 because I don't see any direction after the confession~

Many readers told me to avoid reading volume 8 onwards, they did not explain much on this, so I need more opinions on this~



For light novels, novels published by bigger publishers (Sneaker Bunko, Dengeki Bunko, Fantasia Bunko, MF Bunko) tend to sell much better than novels published by smaller publishers (HJ Bunko, DX Bunko, Brave Novels)~

For comparison with sales numbers:
Roshidere (published by Sneaker Bunko, one of the largest romance publishers): 5m (highest selling romcom after Full Metal Panic)
Angel Next Door (published by GA Bunko, big publisher but not as big as Sneaker Bunko): 3m
Otonari Asobi (published by DX Bunko, a small publisher that very few LN readers heard of): 100k

I think the anime side is still slower than light novel side when it comes to romance genre~
In anime nowadays, most of the tropes are dense male leads or tsunderes (toxic romance)~
While in light novel side, dense male leads and tsunderes tropes are pretty much dead. Most of the tropes nowadays are gyarus, yanderes, foreign heroines, stepsisters~

I think cohabitation romance is the most popular romance genre nowadays, probably due to Angel Next Door popularity?
@NewestPersonHere Why wouldn't I? Angel Next Door is one of the few series where it will continue after the confession, something we don't usually get nowadays. 3 million copies ain't bad since BGS took 10 years to reach that number~

Unless the sequel manages to rehabilitate Roshidere's reputation it will be dismissed as an incest-bait show than a romance for good. The only positive thing about this anime is beautiful animation, but that can't cover a weak storytelling at all.
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@NewestPersonHere Why wouldn't I? Angel Next Door is one of the few series where it will continue after the confession, something we don't usually get nowadays. 3 million copies ain't bad since BGS took 10 years to reach that number~

Unless the sequel manages to rehabilitate Roshidere's reputation it will be dismissed as an incest-bait show than a romance for good. The only positive thing about this anime is beautiful animation, but that can't cover a weak storytelling at all.
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Why wouldn't I? Angel Next Door is one of the few series where it will continue after the confession, something we don't usually get nowadays. 3 million copies ain't bad since BGS took 10 years to reach that number~


Romance novels that continue after confessions are pretty common though~

Let me see how many romance novels I can name.

Gimai Seikatsu. Confessed in volume 7, volume 15 publishing in October.
Introvert Hookup Hiccups. Confessed in volume 5, volume 12 published last week.
Omiai. Confessed in volume 3, ended in volume 8.
Otonari Asobi. Confessed in volume 3, volume 8 confirmed.
Quderella Next Door. Confessed in volume 3, ended in volume 4.

There are some romance novels that start with the couple being together such as
Danshi Da,
Gyaru Stepsister
or Villainess Fiancee

I can still name more romance novels but most of them are not in MAL database~
Looks like Gimai Seikatsu is the only one that has been adapted~

Still considering if I should pick up Angel Next Door again. Should I read volume 5.5? Should I drop after volume 7 as recommended by other romance fans? Hard decision~


RaiYou said:
Unless the sequel manages to rehabilitate Roshidere's reputation it will be dismissed as an incest-bait show than a romance for good. The only positive thing about this anime is beautiful animation, but that can't cover a weak storytelling at all.


Roshidere S2 will likely adapt volume 4-6. I can summarise these 3 volumes in several words.
Volume 4: ECCHI
Volume 5: Masha being cute
Volume 6: AMERICANISATION

I don't really enjoy these 3 volumes other than the fake school shooting in volume 6.
I only started enjoying Roshidere in volume 8 when Alya begins to aggressively seduce Masachika.

The main story of Roshidere is the student council president election, something I still don't care about in volume 10.
I am only reading the novels for Alya's seduction attempts. XP

I think Roshidere sells well because of publisher's marketing.
Kadokawa titles tend to sell much better.
I like British Stepsister more than Roshidere but it is not in MAL database because it is published by a smaller publisher. XD
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Still considering if I should pick up Angel Next Door again. Should I read volume 5.5? Should I drop after volume 7 as recommended by other romance fans? Hard decision~


Follow this reading order and your experience will be better =)

The main story of Roshidere is the student council president election, something I still don't care about in volume 10.

Roshidere is basically a copy of Classroom of The Elite but with romance sprinkled in it then, that kind of melodrama doesn't fit for a show that was meant to be a light romcom...

I think Roshidere sells well because of publisher's marketing.
Kadokawa titles tend to sell much better.


They did a lot of promos, taking into account the LN had high sales and Roshidere was animated by Doga Kobo so expectations were sky-high; but fans were disappointed because the story didn't align with the expectation in the end. I don't know if you care about its rating but the constant decline should reflect how overrated this show is. It's currently rated 7.57 and will drop further unless the show redeems itself in S2.


To the OP: I'm not a manga reader, but it's kind of a part of the work identity indeed. It doesn't really annoy me because it's to portray how polite and respectful the characters are to each other, and I prefer that compared to more toxic dynamics in other series.
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Yup, glad I'm not the only one that felt that pretty hard.
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I like this series quite a bit and even when reading the manga, this was something that was slightly bothersome about it for me to be honest. It doesn't ruin the series for me completely, but it does feel a bit too over-the-top and forced with the amount it pulls this, almost on a chapter-by-chapter basis at times. At least there's more than a good amount about this series that still delivers quite well.
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I honestly don’t get how this show has an 8.7 rating. It feels like it focuses more on Rintaro’s relationships with his boyfriends than on his relationship with Waguri.
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@NewestPersonHere

Still considering if I should pick up Angel Next Door again. Should I read volume 5.5? Should I drop after volume 7 as recommended by other romance fans? Hard decision~


Follow this reading order and your experience will be better =)

The main story of Roshidere is the student council president election, something I still don't care about in volume 10.

Roshidere is basically a copy of Classroom of The Elite but with romance sprinkled in it then, that kind of melodrama doesn't fit for a show that was meant to be a light romcom...

I think Roshidere sells well because of publisher's marketing.
Kadokawa titles tend to sell much better.


They did a lot of promos, taking into account the LN had high sales and Roshidere was animated by Doga Kobo so expectations were sky-high; but fans were disappointed because the story didn't align with the expectation in the end. I don't know if you care about its rating but the constant decline should reflect how overrated this show is. It's currently rated 7.57 and will drop further unless the show redeems itself in S2.


To the OP: I'm not a manga reader, but it's kind of a part of the work identity indeed. It doesn't really annoy me because it's to portray how polite and respectful the characters are to each other, and I prefer that compared to more toxic dynamics in other series.
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Follow this reading order and your experience will be better


Thanks! :)
So I need to read volume 5.5 too~
Will read them once I caught up with the other LNs I am currently reading~

RaiYou said:
Roshidere is basically a copy of Classroom of The Elite but with romance sprinkled in it then, that kind of melodrama doesn't fit for a show that was meant to be a light romcom...


Roshidere is more similar to those late 1990s or early 2000s romcom. A lot of craziness, not sure if you have seen Cheeky Angel or Full Metal Panic.
I am not a fan of the psychological warfare though~
As I mentioned, the only reason why I am still reading Roshidere is mainly due to Alya's seduction attempts.
I eventually get bored of Yuki's and Masha's gags in volume 5~

RaiYou said:
They did a lot of promos, taking into account the LN had high sales and Roshidere was animated by Doga Kobo so expectations were sky-high; but fans were disappointed because the story didn't align with the expectation in the end. I don't know if you care about its rating but the constant decline should reflect how overrated this show is. It's currently rated 7.57 and will drop further unless the show redeems itself in S2.


As I mentioned, the high LN sales is likely due to Kadokawa's promotions.
In around Feb 2023, when I was reading Angel Next Door Vol 5 on my epub reader, my YouTube algorithms keep leading me to Roshidere PVs. I think there are 5 PVs at that time, while most romcoms have only 1 PV~
If Roshidere is published by some small publisher such as Brave Novels, I doubt it will be that successful~
Gimai Seikatsu is another romance novel that sells well from Kadokawa's promotion, I have already lost count the number of PVs I have seen~
I fell asleep reading Gimai Seikatsu post volume 7 multiple times~
In the meantime, there are many hidden gems in romance genres, not well known because they are published by smaller publishers such as DX Bunko~

I don't really pay attention to MAL scores.
I used to pay attention to LN sale numbers until I notice Japanese readers tend to read from big publishers and neglect smaller publishers~

Personally, I prefer romance novels that have a couple with strong chemistry such as the one below (published by a small publisher).


Just noticed I forgot to reply to OP:

Sorry for not answering your question~
I don't mind the 'sorry' and 'thank you' in the anime.
I have seen a lot of romance novels with shy/bashful couples~

I don't live in Japan. I live in some remote town in ASEAN region~
We are educated to be polite and respectful to other people at a young age~
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The_Best_Tastes said:
It is so upsetting that this piece of fiction based on Japanese culture does not reflect western reality!!

I've been researching to decide if I watch this or not and seen so many people complaining about politeness. I used to and still careful to not apologizing easily (someone said you'll even get taken advantage for doing so) and also sometime I realize I'm saying thank you too much (like "omg why can't I say other words and communicate!??") but I'm just a Japanese person😅
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