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tarfeef101 said: ejleon said: They don’t need to show a replacement being chosen, that is you infusing your own opinion into the story. no, that's a plothole. inserting my opinion to the story would be proclaiming that they did replace her, just off screen I'm just saying "they left it unaddressed", and it would be a more thorough story if they either explained that they made a foolish choice and paid the price, or they did get a substitute and that's why things didn't deteriorate. it's unrealistic that they'd believe a watcher was necessary, just ignore that for 2 years, then when Alicia comes back suddenly remember that job is useful and let her continue to do it. You inserting your own personal opinions all over the place “they should have said or done this, because then it would not be this or that”, this is all in your own head. - Eisegesis (what you are doing), reads into the text what the interpreter wishes to find or thinks they finds there. It expresses the reader's own subjective ideas, not the meaning which is in the text. - Exegesis (what you are not doing) is legitimate interpretation which ‘reads out of' the text what the original author or authors meant to convey. There was nothing wrong with choosing Alicia, in fact, the anime events showed that the king was totally right in choosing Alicia to watch Liz, she was perfect for the job. Then the anime showed the king give permission to Alicia’s father — because of the father’s own personal concerns, not because Alicia failed — to stop her from being the watcher, which Alicia disagreed with, and lead to her needing to raise herself to level 90, lasting 2 years. The anime does not need to show if they chose a replacement watcher or not for those 2 years. The anime is about Alicia, not about Liz, so it follows what is happening with Alicia. Now that Alicia is back, she is allowed to continue the job of being Liz’s watcher at the Academy, and she already did an amazing job upon her return. |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
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tarfeef101 said:
you could not be more wrong. I'm not saying what is there. I explicitly ask for the show to tell me what is there, because it skipped over doing so. it may still do so, it's entirely plausible that next episode we delve into the 2 years of brainwashing by Liz, how it further isolates Alicia, and her struggle against it. maybe there will be a conversation where the king and her father go "oh we didn't realise how important that was, we were just letting her do it for her own sake".
or maybe it won't do that. I'm just saying it'd be cool if they did explain the reasoning for not replacing her (or if they did, which seems less likely, how that led to the current state of things)
ejleon said:
You inserting your own personal opinions all over the place “they should have said or done this, because then it would not be this or that”, this is all in your own head.
- Eisegesis (what you are doing), reads into the text what the interpreter wishes to find or thinks they finds there. It expresses the reader's own subjective ideas, not the meaning which is in the text.
- Exegesis (what you are not doing) is legitimate interpretation which ‘reads out of' the text what the original author or authors meant to convey.
There was nothing wrong with choosing Alicia, in fact, the anime events showed that the king was totally right in choosing Alicia to watch Liz, she was perfect for the job.
Then the anime showed the king give permission to Alicia’s father — because of the father’s own personal concerns, not because Alicia failed — to stop her from being the watcher, which Alicia disagreed with, and lead to her needing to raise herself to level 90, lasting 2 years.
The anime does not need to show if they chose a replacement watcher or not for those 2 years.
The anime is about Alicia, not about Liz, so it follows what is happening with Alicia. Now that Alicia is back, she is allowed to continue the job of being Liz’s watcher at the Academy, and she already did an amazing job upon her return.
You inserting your own personal opinions all over the place “they should have said or done this, because then it would not be this or that”, this is all in your own head.
- Eisegesis (what you are doing), reads into the text what the interpreter wishes to find or thinks they finds there. It expresses the reader's own subjective ideas, not the meaning which is in the text.
- Exegesis (what you are not doing) is legitimate interpretation which ‘reads out of' the text what the original author or authors meant to convey.
There was nothing wrong with choosing Alicia, in fact, the anime events showed that the king was totally right in choosing Alicia to watch Liz, she was perfect for the job.
Then the anime showed the king give permission to Alicia’s father — because of the father’s own personal concerns, not because Alicia failed — to stop her from being the watcher, which Alicia disagreed with, and lead to her needing to raise herself to level 90, lasting 2 years.
The anime does not need to show if they chose a replacement watcher or not for those 2 years.
The anime is about Alicia, not about Liz, so it follows what is happening with Alicia. Now that Alicia is back, she is allowed to continue the job of being Liz’s watcher at the Academy, and she already did an amazing job upon her return.
you could not be more wrong. I'm not saying what is there. I explicitly ask for the show to tell me what is there, because it skipped over doing so. it may still do so, it's entirely plausible that next episode we delve into the 2 years of brainwashing by Liz, how it further isolates Alicia, and her struggle against it. maybe there will be a conversation where the king and her father go "oh we didn't realise how important that was, we were just letting her do it for her own sake".
or maybe it won't do that. I'm just saying it'd be cool if they did explain the reasoning for not replacing her (or if they did, which seems less likely, how that led to the current state of things)
I am not the person who posted the original comment. I simply want more detail in the story, I'm not disagreeing with a decision of any character here
| @tarfeef101 I know you are not the original poster, I never said you were. I also know that you want them to show something that you claim should be there. Maybe I am not explaining this right. You are saying, “They need to show this or it is a plothole”, that is a personal opinion of your’s. You are free to express it, but it does not mean that you are “right”, or that the anime is “wrong”. And people can disagree with your opinion … I get that I’m the only at the moment … but the point still remains when taking about opinions. It is entirely possible that the written material did show that, but I don’t read the written material, so if someone who has read the written material wants to comment, then I’d appreciate it. But have you considered that if the written material and the anime do not show this, then they also did not think it was necessary to show for the story? If you watch everything from how you think it should be and how you would write it, then nothing will be satisfying, everything will have a “plothole” in your opinion. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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ejleon said:
@tarfeef101 I know you are not the original poster, I never said you were. I also know that you want them to show something that you claim should be there.
Maybe I am not explaining this right.
You are saying, “They need to show this or it is a plothole”, that is a personal opinion of your’s.
You are free to express it, but it does not mean that you are “right”, or that the anime is “wrong”.
And people can disagree with your opinion … I get that I’m the only at the moment … but the point still remains when taking about opinions.
It is entirely possible that the written material did show that, but I don’t read the written material, so if someone who has read the written material wants to comment, then I’d appreciate it.
But have you considered that if the written material and the anime do not show this, then they also did not think it was necessary to show for the story?
If you watch everything from how you think it should be and how you would write it, then nothing will be satisfying, everything will have a “plothole” in your opinion.
@tarfeef101 I know you are not the original poster, I never said you were. I also know that you want them to show something that you claim should be there.
Maybe I am not explaining this right.
You are saying, “They need to show this or it is a plothole”, that is a personal opinion of your’s.
You are free to express it, but it does not mean that you are “right”, or that the anime is “wrong”.
And people can disagree with your opinion … I get that I’m the only at the moment … but the point still remains when taking about opinions.
It is entirely possible that the written material did show that, but I don’t read the written material, so if someone who has read the written material wants to comment, then I’d appreciate it.
But have you considered that if the written material and the anime do not show this, then they also did not think it was necessary to show for the story?
If you watch everything from how you think it should be and how you would write it, then nothing will be satisfying, everything will have a “plothole” in your opinion.
that's not the same thing as me inserting my opinion into the story. that's me asking for more detail. which I know is what I'm doing, and I'm okay with that.
your original reply and followups said I was doing the former, which is something else entirely. I was just refuting that. I don't really care if you think I'm asking for too much from the show 🤷♀️ I don't care that much about it in the first place, which is why I made that brief comment in a passing tone to start with, as a reply to another.
| @tarfeef101 I know you don’t care, that’s why you are ignoring everything I’m explaining and forcing your own narrative into this conversation, “that’s not inserting my own personal opinion into the story, it’s asking for more detail”. The truth is that you just refuse to see that your comments are based completely on your own personal opinions, not on observable evidence in the anime story. You made up an issue that is not a problem in the anime, then claimed it is a “plothole”. This is literally the difference between looking at something “subjectively” (your perspective) vs looking at something “objectively” (not your perspective). “ Subjective means based on personal feelings, opinions, or emotions, while objective means based on facts and evidence.” |
ejleonNov 20, 9:28 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
tarfeef101 said: ejleon said: @tarfeef101 I know you don’t care, that’s why you are ignoring everything I’m explaining and forcing your own narrative into this conversation, “that’s not inserting my own personal opinion into the story, it’s asking for more detail”. The truth is that you just refuse to see that your comments are based completely on your own personal opinions, not on observable evidence in the anime story. You made up an issue that is not a problem in the anime, then claimed it is a “plothole”. This is literally the difference between looking at something “subjectively” (your perspective) vs looking at something “objectively” (not your perspective). “ Subjective means based on personal feelings, opinions, or emotions, while objective means based on facts and evidence.” they objectively do not cover whether or not someone took over for her, and why that decision was or was not made And that is you claiming that they need to show it or there is a problem with the story. How you can’t understand that this is not based on observable evidence in the anime story, but based on your own personal opinion of what needs to be shown, I don’t know. But this is the last message for me. I hope all the best for you. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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ejleon said:
And that is you claiming that they need to show it or there is a problem with the story.
How you can’t understand that this is not based on observable evidence in the anime story, but based on your own personal opinion of what needs to be shown, I don’t know.
But this is the last message for me.
I hope all the best for you.
tarfeef101 said:
they objectively do not cover whether or not someone took over for her, and why that decision was or was not made
they objectively do not cover whether or not someone took over for her, and why that decision was or was not made
And that is you claiming that they need to show it or there is a problem with the story.
How you can’t understand that this is not based on observable evidence in the anime story, but based on your own personal opinion of what needs to be shown, I don’t know.
But this is the last message for me.
I hope all the best for you.
you make it sound as if Ponting out a plothole is some horrid, evil thing that makes me seem as if I'm deeming the show worthless
plotholes can be story breaking and terrible. or minor things which barely matter. the best stories of all time have plotholes too.
all I'm saying is this exists, and I personally wish it didn't. I don't know why that bothers you so much
| @tarfeef101 I guess you don’t know how to have a civil and respectful conversation, with you falsely accusing me and attacking my character, without cause or evidence. I never said or implied anything near that, nor did I say I was bothered in any way. I simply said that you are expressing a subjective opinion, not an objective criticism. Plotholes are not just a scene not shown, it means that the story does not make sense because they did not explain something, this is not the case, especially since it is not as important as you are making it seem. It exists in your own heard, not in the anime story. That’s what you fail to understand. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| Wow, even with the intro showing Alicia with an eye patch, I was still surprised. Giving up her eye makes her one of my favorite villainess characters—and female characters—in a long time. Liz is evil. Alicia’s explanation of how Liz restrained only her and not the ruffian (even though she could have restrained both) perfectly explains the odd feeling and vibe Liz gives off. Also, most importantly, we finally see the face of Duke's spirit aide, Mel, who helps him with information gathering. I’m excited to see more of her, her abilities, and her personality. |
Yakuro_091 said: So, as of now, she has lost a tooth and an eye, I wonder what's next I bet she will lose her heart to the Duke. That's probably what’s going to happen next. |
Ckea said: Gotta love how Alicia turned into a gorgeous beauty during the 2 year time skip and first thing she does immediately after is gouge her eye out with magic 😂 I just cant with this woman 😂 Best girl ever!! Yes, her character really stands out. I’m surprised too – I didn’t expect such a treat from this show when I first started watching it. We definitely need more characters like her in the anime world. |
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