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""0 Chance of wining" that is not true when you consider previous epodes."

Amazing argumentation from someone who "follow the anime" (cause I don't apparently). Yeah, it's NOT TRUE, because in prior episode, so, I will not give you even one exemple, but trust me, really.
Dude. Give me one example of Will tanking hits. First episode : He doesn't get hit. And in episode 2, he get hit TWICE by the teacher, and he's on the ground to the point he doesn't even try to get away when the teacher put his foot on his shoulder. Remember, the teacher was not even using his best spell, only two.
Now, because people were considering that ice guy is the "successor" Elfaria and the teacher is close to Magia Wende, we can assume there is no significant difference in term of magic.
So, how come the teacher get two hits with basic spell and Will is on the ground and the ice guy get a major attack and Will just break it 50 seconds later because reason when ice guy has finished his speech.
Also, I would argue, if ice work like Ice, when you're immobilized on your whole body, you can't even move, so, unless you can use magic, you are supposed to stay stuck in ice. Like in One Piece for instance.


"You are asking questions about the magic cast or not cast, but aren't you assuming someone created that type of spell? They can only do spells they know about from other magic users."

I don't understand what you mean.


"Wil's durability as a fighter, someone who works out his body, and seems to have a resistance to physical attacks, would not that not explain why he could take some hits without being taken down." -->


Except they spent the prior episodes explaining any race with no magic, even with significant physical abilities, could not win against a mage. To the point, 1000 dwarf can't win against a single mage. How come a very large zone spell can destroy 1000 dwarf but a very strong pinpoint accuracy spell can not even hurt Will in significant way when he could not avoid it and he didn't even break it when it hit him ?

"And he wasn't not moving, he was trying to read their movements"

How about you "follow the anime" instead ? Please dude. They used their spell at 03:44, then Will was thinking for 18 seconds, letting himself getting surrounded by 3 ennemies. And he finally moved after they attacked him at 04:11.
Almost 30 seconds later.
Any decent fighter would have been out of the way as soon as ice guy started to throw the spell (the "smoke" should never have ben able to reach Will considering it was the slowest speed used in the match), not waiting to be attacked AND not moving letting 3 people surround you.
If you can't even see the problem, I can't help you.
But, of course, the only reason Will stayed in the smoke has nothing to do about "reading their movements", it was just so the author could do the "reveal" about the clones and Ice Guy say "we didn't even move".
I shouldn't have to explain that... if you "follow the anime", you should have understood it...
Ok, let me tell you why this fight doesn't work because the author is not having a natural fight, but, a fight to "reveal" stuff in an unnatural way.

Will who is supposed to be really fast let himself get trapped in the smoke spell so... there is the reveal of ice guy.
Will who is supposed to be really fast let himself get trapped in a barrier so the ice guy can throw a very strong spell so that he can do his little speech when we can't see the real situation and then when everyone decide Will is actually fine, then, for no reason, the ice is broken,
Will instead of attacking directly the ice guy only attack the two other guys because they need to explain he "didn't fully mastered it",
And of course, the author snatches the victory at the end, because he can't let Will win because reason.
Instead of having a real fight, we have a choregraphed fight so the author can throw the lines he wants like "oh amazing but you know a two years old baby were doing better than you, like, sure a two year old baby... why not at 2 months old".

The only thing Will is supposed to have is speed and ability to break spell with his sword. Not being able to withstand hit after hit while telling us that species with low magic/no magic but amazing physical abilities can't stand up to mage.




From the start you have made a ton of assumptions about what you think the author / anime is doing, instead of paying attention to what the anime is actually showing us.

And no, you are not even trying to follow the anime’s story, you are just trying to find fault.

This is not “one piece” or another anime, the way magic works in this show is different, I can tell already that you are not following the anime’s story and world building, you are just forcing in other anime stories and magic rules.

I don’t even like this show, but I can tell when someone is assuming they know more than the writer or anime creators.

Everyone assumes in this world that magic rules, so they are bullies biased prejudice persecuting those without, this anime is trying to show that their assumptions are false, that they don’t have a clue what they are talking about.

All the students are learning spells that previous magic users established, people are still creating new spells, but if no one had frozen the floor before with a spell, these students would not think about doing that, they don’t think outside the box.

The teacher is obviously far far far more powerful than this arrogant Julius creep. This Teacher is considered the closest to becoming a magia vander and he mastered a specific technique with magic, Julius is nothing compared to him, that much was obvious.

Julius just did physical attacks which Will is durable against, and Julius had to cheat to use a 2 year old’s spell, then took all the credit, but he couldn’t even create as many clones as Will’s friend could without draining his MP very fast, proving him to be a liar and a weak mage.

“Will only has speed and ability to break spells with his sword”, if you had payed attention, Will has strength surpassing all of the students and the teachers and is a fighter class. Will broke spells with his arms and legs in the show already, plus he survived and pushed on through the teacher’s best attacks to get 1 hit on him (just like the dwarf leader), even the teacher was not surprised about Will’s ability to fight against Julius’ magic.

They all had assumed Julius was fit to be an apprentice, but none of them really knew how powerful Will’s friend was at such a young age, that was a reveal even to the teachers, this proves that Julius was nothing in the scheme of things, and that Will’s friend is a true powerful genius.

This was also the topic of discussion in a previous episode in the tower meeting, that there were few mages alive that could be recognized as being worthy of moving up to the next academy.

At this point I would consider Sion a better candidate for an apprentice than Julius, yet Will was able to survive and respond against Sion’s best attacks too.

In the Dwarves’ rebellion, all the dwarves fought till they couldn’t go on any more, it wasn’t just one hit and done, the mage used a lot of attack spells that hit many of them, but the main dwarf continued to fight until he hit the mage 1 time.

The anime obviously showed Will listening to there steps and tracking there movements, plus the mist didn’t do anything but obstruct his vision, he did not need to move, it did not hurt his lungs or breathing and did not poison him. If Will had jumped out of it, he still could not see what was happening inside the mist.

Will explains he lost composure because Julius mocked his girl, then Will thanks Julius for helping him to “cool down” (pun completely intended πŸ˜‚).

You are missing the fact that nobody but Will picked up on the fact that Julius was using the two others magic users to help him cast and control the spell, hence why Will attacked them first.

And Will also could tell right away who was the caster because he had information on the spell, pointing out how he uses his exceptional study skills and knowledge of magic to help him fight.

After Will successfully provoked Julius he is no longer fighting with his head, he is fighting with emotion, which is always the enemy’s downfall in most stories, this one is no exception.

Will does not win, he loses the entire festival because he didn’t “grab the crown”, all Will did was survive and defend against attacks from jealous or arrogant people.

“Bullied by 8 clones” come on, that line even made me laugh after seeing Will’s friend reaction at the end, “Is there a spell to change the past or erase memories? 😭” Hahahahaha! πŸ˜‚
ejleon said:
Will broke spells with his arms and legs in the show already

Unless you're talking about breaking free after being frozen in the tavern, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Will was unable to break through his teacher's defensive barrier without using his sword (which I believe was said to have dispelling properties). They didn't really cover how the sword Collette conjured compares to it, but perhaps it would be ineffective against shadow/water attacks (I'd doubt it could split/block fireballs the way it did against Sion, but I suppose it just works out somehow).

Will's tactics are only acceptable if his only goal is to humiliate Julius. If he truly wanted to win, letting the mage go on the offensive first is a no-no. Selfishly indulging himself to win a fight instead of the battle means betraying his team (Sion doesn't deserve winning though, and Collete doesn't seem to mind), and puts his dream of joining Elfie at risk (which is probably more important to him, deep down).
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meganimeman said:
ejleon said:
Will broke spells with his arms and legs in the show already

Unless you're talking about breaking free after being frozen in the tavern, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Will was unable to break through his teacher's defensive barrier without using his sword (which I believe was said to have dispelling properties). They didn't really cover how the sword Collette conjured compares to it, but perhaps it would be ineffective against shadow/water attacks (I'd doubt it could split/block fireballs the way it did against Sion, but I suppose it just works out somehow).

Will's tactics are only acceptable if his only goal is to humiliate Julius. If he truly wanted to win, letting the mage go on the offensive first is a no-no. Selfishly indulging himself to win a fight instead of the battle means betraying his team (Sion doesn't deserve winning though, and Collete doesn't seem to mind), and puts his dream of joining Elfie at risk (which is probably more important to him, deep down).

I thought when the Principle tested him, Will was able to break her spells with his feet and hands?

Am I wrong about this?

I was basing this off my memory of the episode, so I could be wrong.

I think Will was just distracted by being attacked over and over, first by Sion and then by Julius, not that he was too selfish or too proud.

I think Will honestly didn’t remember that to win the contest, the crown just needed to be taken.

Also, “… to humiliate Julius”, I have not seen Will as you described him in the show, so what are you basing that type of character on in the show?
ejleonAug 28, 4:33 PM
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

Aug 28, 7:46 PM
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Holy plot armor! the twink survived a meteor with a sword and a cowlick, this show is ass lowkey.
Aug 29, 2:41 AM
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A decent episode overall. Good combat sequences.

Not as exceptional as earlier (episode 2's) offering. But not bad in of itself.
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This episode was certainly better than the last one, and seeing Will beat Julius was certainly satisfying. However, the fact that who won in the end was the elf was super predictable, as Will was taking his sweet time taking Julius out. Not only that, but he defeated one of the Ice clones with his leg, and wasn't that against the rules, since it's not magic? Anyways, they couldn't have given Will the win for plot reasons I suppose, so the elf got it by doing nothing I guess. How did Colette and Sion not see the Elf team approaching is behyond me.
Liked how Will was able to defeat Julius' magic quite easily, since he's the one that knows that magic the best, besides Elfaria herself. And it was cute when he said that 8 clones of Julius wasn't big of a deal, since he was bullied by 10 clones of Elfaria. We also got to see a bit more of Elfie's personality, and it was quite amusing.
Overall, it was a good episode with a really good fight scene (although the way Will escaped that ice prison was never explained), and it was better than the last episode for sure. Sion at the end saying he was going to defeat Will... For how much longer are they going to make Sion like that, it's getting tiring...
The next episode has an interesting title with "Shall we date?", but I wonder if it's going to be a good episode, since lately it has been 1 week a good episode, the next a bad one, but the next episode has the potential to explore more the characters, which might be really good, but at the same time I feel like the characters are the weakest part of this anime, so let's see how that goes.

Edit: Also, isn't it an exaggeration when they say that Elfie created that spell at 2 years old? Like, for real, she couldn't even talk at that age, and you're telling me she was doing this high value spells? If they said 8 years old would be more believable, but 2 years is just to insane to even be taken seriously.
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That was an amazing match, Will absolutely stole the show, he was really OP this time.
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Really love this animation. How they portraited Will and Julius. Amazing.
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Julius Reinberg was such an arrogant lad, how could he steal Elfaria’s ice magic? Will managed to defeat him, but it’s so disappointing that he did not claim the crown. Wignall was wiser.

Amazing battle between Will and Julius! His magic proved useless against Will’s sword. Ars Weiss was good, but only used by Elfaria. Now I expect Sion to be more powerful and evil, but I do not worry about Will’s determination.
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meganimeman said:
ejleon said:
Will broke spells with his arms and legs in the show already

Unless you're talking about breaking free after being frozen in the tavern, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Will was unable to break through his teacher's defensive barrier without using his sword (which I believe was said to have dispelling properties). They didn't really cover how the sword Collette conjured compares to it, but perhaps it would be ineffective against shadow/water attacks (I'd doubt it could split/block fireballs the way it did against Sion, but I suppose it just works out somehow).

Will's tactics are only acceptable if his only goal is to humiliate Julius. If he truly wanted to win, letting the mage go on the offensive first is a no-no. Selfishly indulging himself to win a fight instead of the battle means betraying his team (Sion doesn't deserve winning though, and Collete doesn't seem to mind), and puts his dream of joining Elfie at risk (which is probably more important to him, deep down).

I thought when the Principle tested him, Will was able to break her spells with his feet and hands?

Am I wrong about this?

I was basing this off my memory of the episode, so I could be wrong.

I think Will was just distracted by being attacked over and over, first by Sion and then by Julius, not that he was too selfish or too proud.

I think Will honestly didn’t remember that to win the contest, the crown just needed to be taken.

Also, “… to humiliate Julius”, I have not seen Will as you described him in the show, so what are you basing that type of character on in the show?
@ejleon I don't remember that test, you might be right. As a cop out, I think it's reasonable to think that binding spells have a certain strength; needing a stronger spell to detain a hippo than a mouse. In which case, he could simply be stronger than the principal was accounting for. Again, he couldn't deal with the shadow magic without his sword.

As for the humiliation part, Will was seething from the way Julius disrespected the dwarves. A passive person can act out if pushed far enough, so even if it doesn't fit neatly with how he's been portrayed thus far, I don't think it's a stretch.
On the other hand, I guess one could argue that he simply tried to show him how much more competent he is at fighting and that magic doesn't necessarily trump everything else (avoiding complaints like luck or being caught off guard). But the way Will fought, letting Julius dictate the pace and simply defeating spell after spell did end up humiliating him, whether test was the plan or not.
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Will is dope and the fight was well animated. 5/5


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Let's go Will! He not only defeated and humiliated Julius, but also broke his damn mind, amazing!

This has to be the hypest episode of the season, if not of the entire year so far!

I'm happy that Will didn't won the competition tho, I knew Wignall was going to end up winning, sadly he did it in a really pussy way lol, but that's fine because Will winning the most important competition on his 1st try would put him in the next level of OP protagonists and that's boring.

Damn I want Will to end up with Colette, but Elfie hasn't changed how I thought she did so she is really in love with him too, fuck... since this is from the same creator as DanMachi, I have faith in Colette, she deserves it ❀️
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Sorry Julius but you were not able to do as well as the 2 year old bullie Elfie Our bois teammates should have been ready to take the crown from those tricky Elves
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really cool fight and all, but it was so obvious that he wasn't winning the game that it was super frustrating too watch. the animation is next level, but the story is absolutely mid
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The episode we were all looing forward to.
Will was an absolute badass in this episode.
Loved how he put Julius in his place.
Too bad they didn't win, but he get his revenge.
Elfie just wanted Will to herself lmao, she wasn't tormenting him.

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And now will come the "popular" phase of our protag. Seriously lol, it's a good thing they didn't let him win the tournament, otherwise that would've been the cliche-est conclusion ever.

Btw, at least the guy who severely lacks in vocabulary and was thinking he's the real deal got what he fucking deserved.
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exciting fire!!!
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Plot armor 11
He just happened to know how to counter the spells
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Julius got hoe'd so hard. It really felt like Will only won because he happened to grow up at the exact same orphanage as Elphie.
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this show is animated beautifully, the story is amazing, the characters are great, and the ending theme has the most adorable visuals ive seen
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Will won against Julius, but lost the crown, hilarious and bored ended game!!!
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The animation is stunning to watch. Even I, someone who doesn’t put much thought into animation and can easily be content with bad CGI and slideshow like fps, can tell that this was amazing!
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Beautiful? LOL Narcissistic much isn't he?

Getting schooled by the only no-talent, book learner is so much justice. I can feel his teeth cracking when he started grinding them in rage that he's being humiliated instead! He keeps raising the stakes only to be smacked down hard in each turn...he knows how to use Elfie's invented magic unfortunately it was made when Elfie was only 2 years old, and he can control eight clones when the inventor can control ten when she made it!

Hah, I predicted he wouldnt get the crown despite beating Julius to the moon and back and I was right. Oh well, I think the original intention of joining the game was that they beat each other out and not the game itself so it's still Will's win in the end.

I don't trust Wignall, he looks kind enough but I have a feeling in deep in my bones that I can't explain when he had that look.
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What a short and fulfilling tournament arc, those fights are epic.

Will really just said "Yeah but my girl is better".
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Hahaha, I was right I knew he was gonna punch him with that gauntlet the moment it was introduced. Also didn't mention it before but the cat saying Na/Nah instead of Nya or Meow, Miau etc. Is really funny to me for some reason.
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PEAK EPISODE OMG! The choreography in the final part of the fight was insane! Wistoria, The Elusive Samurai, and Alya-san are definitely the best-animated shows this Summer 2024. The part when Will was falling from the sky was insane! It's the best episode so far!

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am I seeing multi-shadow-clone-jutsu!!
Sep 28, 12:32 AM
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Will is the goat, that was great, Julius got ridiculized at that was what we wanted even though Will didn't win because that one green haired elf took the crown while they were fighting lol
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Woow will is going to be what he wants
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That was a great fight. 2-year-old Elfie destroyed him in Ice Magic. LOL. That was something else. Love Will and how determined he was during this whole fight. The power of Osana-Najimi. 10 Elfies tormenting Will was adorable.
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Ah man, that's just too good
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This show is crap!
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I loved this episode. Will thoroughly humiliated Julius which was satisfying to see.
It's impressive that Julius managed to learn one of Elfaria's spells but Elfaria is much more amazing. Creating new spells when she is still a toddler is insane.
I never get tired of an opening song playing during the climax of a big fight.
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The fight choreography was amazing
Every moment is pure hype
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Idk I enjoyed this episode but not as much as the others. Will explain his friend lore is crazy. She's been creating new spells since she was 2 years old. Yet people struggle to imitate what she has been doing since she was 2🀣🀣. She is in a league of her own.
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At what age are Magia Vander chosen? Elfaria was chosen when she was younger than she currently is, but Julius was thought to be her successor? How does that work? How long has Elfaria been a Magia Vander? It couldn't have been for that long. What exactly do you even need to do to become one? I know they have to face some other trials after school, but like idk this feels a bit off...

That last punch was pretty satisfying lol the way it ended was kinda BS though :/
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