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Sep 2, 2023 9:48 PM
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Surprised that there hasn't been a Starfield Thread yet despite the early access releasing and the game coming out in 3 more days.

I will be buying Starfield in 3 days and I will post Starfield related things in this thread, because why not right?

For those that do have the game, do you enjoy the game? What can be improved about Starfield? Does it meet your standards? How does it compare to other recent releases such as Baldurs Gate III?
Sep 3, 2023 1:34 PM
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Just checked what the hell Starfield is. 350 złoty no thank you, I am no longer that often playing games and willingly to pay that much for them, if it would be 2-3 times cheaper I might be positive to buy it and play it.

The only game from 2023 which I have played is Honkai Star Rail, mainly because it is free.
Sep 3, 2023 7:49 PM
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Just heard that people are refunding and/or boycotting the game due to it having pronoun selection.
(Source: Dextero)

If the game gets a playable demo on Steam, I might try it.
Summertime days, passing gently
Sunlight, leading to an encounter;
Dreams that don't want to end
Continue onwards toward the next day
While she waits in the air.
Sep 4, 2023 2:52 AM
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About 10 hours in, gaming on PC. Not really sure what to think yet. It hasn't sucked me in yet like Skyrim did when I played that for the first time.

Also, the game keeps crashing randomly without warning, just quick freeze then bam, straight to desktop, and I don't bother restarting the game.

You know what, I'm watching Ichigo 100% right now and it is bringing me 100% more joy than Starfield.
Sep 4, 2023 4:17 AM
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About 10 hours in, gaming on PC. Not really sure what to think yet. It hasn't sucked me in yet like Skyrim did when I played that for the first time.

Also, the game keeps crashing randomly without warning, just quick freeze then bam, straight to desktop, and I don't bother restarting the game.

You know what, I'm watching Ichigo 100% right now and it is bringing me 100% more joy than Starfield.
@StewedBeefHaunch How does it run on your PC? Besides the crashes, I have heard that the game is not well optimized on most hardware.
Sep 4, 2023 4:21 AM
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Just heard that people are refunding and/or boycotting the game due to it having pronoun selection.
(Source: Dextero)

If the game gets a playable demo on Steam, I might try it.
@Fleeting_Dream What a dumb reason to boycott the game honestly. I haven’t played it yet so I can’t speak on it’s quality beyond any rumors I’ve heard, but I wouldn’t feel bad about the game over literal words. I get that people don’t like certain things which I won’t get into detail in over the forums, but we’ve literally always had pronouns for men, women, and people in general, which are the choices on Starfield (he/she/they). Such a dumb reason to get mad at the game.
Sep 4, 2023 4:25 AM
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Just checked what the hell Starfield is. 350 złoty no thank you, I am no longer that often playing games and willingly to pay that much for them, if it would be 2-3 times cheaper I might be positive to buy it and play it.

The only game from 2023 which I have played is Honkai Star Rail, mainly because it is free.
@Zettaiken I don’t buy many games that often anymore. This year the only other new game that I’ve purchased was Baldur’s Gate 3. I typically will only pick up a few VNs or other cheap games on sale, so Starfield is pretty much an exception for me. Otherwise, I play what I already own.

You’re better off waiting several years for the price to drop in a sale as Bethesda products inevitably do. The premium price that the game industry is pushing nowadays also just sucks; Starfield will be the first game I buy for $70 before taxes, and most likely the only one for a very long time.

As for HSR, I’m not into miHoyo titles, but I was shocked when I saw one of my irls playing the game fanatically in a restaurant. It seemed out of character for him to enjoy that game.
Sep 4, 2023 5:17 AM
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@Dulonkk

I am using a GTX1080 and it is holding up just fine at 1080p. I have everything set between low-medium and I'm getting 70-90 FPS in interior areas with 30-40 in the city areas. To me, that's perfectly playable, not like some rich babies crying that their 4090 is only giving them 90 FPS with everything at ultra.

Still, the gpu is less important in this game than everyone is making it out to be. Starfield has pressed my cpu to 100% usage while running in all situations. I have a i7 7700k. Not the biggest baddest processor in town anymore but still no slouch. It's bottlenecking Starfield though, and if I had the choice, I would upgrade my cpu instead of my gpu if I wanted better performance.

Oh, and don't forget to install the game on your SSD. I installed it on my bigger spinny HDD at first and the game stuttered badly everywhere (as it streams in assets on the fly in a lot of places) but since I reinstalled on SSD it has been fine.
Sep 4, 2023 5:19 AM
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@Fleeting_Dream What a dumb reason to boycott the game honestly. I haven’t played it yet so I can’t speak on it’s quality beyond any rumors I’ve heard, but I wouldn’t feel bad about the game over literal words. I get that people don’t like certain things which I won’t get into detail in over the forums, but we’ve literally always had pronouns for men, women, and people in general, which are the choices on Starfield (he/she/they). Such a dumb reason to get mad at the game.
@Dulonkk Agreed. Iirc, there may have been similar stinks for Harvestella and Hogwarts Legacy (I personally have not played the latter yet, if I will play it)
My take:
If it is something simple, like Harvestella's nonbinary/androgynous option or Starfield's pronoun selection, just ignore it and move on with enyoing the game if such content is disagreeable. Otherwise, skip it (e.g. the mildly obnoxious PDA in Final Fantasy XVI)
Summertime days, passing gently
Sunlight, leading to an encounter;
Dreams that don't want to end
Continue onwards toward the next day
While she waits in the air.
Sep 4, 2023 8:10 AM

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@Dulonkk

I am using a GTX1080 and it is holding up just fine at 1080p. I have everything set between low-medium and I'm getting 70-90 FPS in interior areas with 30-40 in the city areas. To me, that's perfectly playable, not like some rich babies crying that their 4090 is only giving them 90 FPS with everything at ultra.

Still, the gpu is less important in this game than everyone is making it out to be. Starfield has pressed my cpu to 100% usage while running in all situations. I have a i7 7700k. Not the biggest baddest processor in town anymore but still no slouch. It's bottlenecking Starfield though, and if I had the choice, I would upgrade my cpu instead of my gpu if I wanted better performance.

Oh, and don't forget to install the game on your SSD. I installed it on my bigger spinny HDD at first and the game stuttered badly everywhere (as it streams in assets on the fly in a lot of places) but since I reinstalled on SSD it has been fine.
@StewedBeefHaunch Seems like I won't have any issues. While not a 4090, I am running an RTX 3060 with a Ryzen 9 5900X, so I should be able to run the game just fine on 1440p in most areas. Also, I am aware that the game practically requires an SSD to play. I've cleared plenty of space in advance.

Still, thanks for the response. You've given me more confidence that the optimization concerns are blown out of proportion.
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I'm a little disappointed that 2 posts in my Starfield thread were made by bots, so to counteract my disappointment, I'll post something OT:



The ship builder looks like it'll be one of my favorite parts of Starfield besides the outpost customization. As a fan of Fallout 4's settlement system, I enjoy these customization aspects of the game that Bethesda adapted into Starfield. To be honest, this ship builder mechanic reminds me a lot of Kerbal Space Program, and I loved that game when I was younger so this looks very promising. Can't wait to spend some time building ships in 2 days.
Sep 5, 2023 5:47 AM
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It just another Bethesda joint no excitement for me. If you like Bethesda games you'll love it.

I don't like oblivion, Skyrim, Elder scrolls online or Fallout 4.
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It just another Bethesda joint no excitement for me. If you like Bethesda games you'll love it.

I don't like oblivion, Skyrim, Elder scrolls online or Fallout 4.
@Amityblight I do enjoy fallout 3 and I'll say starfield definitely more polished than average game. The guns and weapons feel good this time.
Sep 5, 2023 9:26 AM

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You can't pilot an armored core in this one. . .
Sep 5, 2023 9:39 AM

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@Amityblight I do enjoy fallout 3 and I'll say starfield definitely more polished than average game. The guns and weapons feel good this time.
@Amityblight My intrigue in Starfield is as a result of my love for the Fallout franchise. New Vegas was my first Fallout, but I loved and enjoyed playing the Interplay titles (Fallout 1 and 2), Fallout 3, and Fallout 4 as well. I'm not too interested in fantasy titles which is why I have passed on the Elder Scrolls series typically, but I fall into Starfield's target demographic.

From the gameplay that I've seen from footage thus far, it looks shockingly polished for a Bethesda game at launch, but YouTubers and reviewers obviously are inclined to omit glitches and the sort from their videos. When I play it tomorrow, I'll see how I feel about the game. I don't typically buy new releases on their release date, with Baldur's Gate III and now Starfield serving as recent exceptions.
Sep 5, 2023 2:25 PM

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BGS is one of my favorite developers, so i had some expectations (been waiting since the trademark in like 2016 or 2017).

Overall i like it and think it´s a good game. "Skyrim in Space" if you want. I´m mostly disappointed because it´s not a masterpiece like i hoped it would be. I played about 42 hours so far.

+ returning more to RPG roots (and i prefer bethesda RPGs in general); background picking, optional (dis)advantages, etc.
+ space
+ Graphics, non-character objects and environments especially look fantastic
+ NG+ is actually good/clever, which is really rare
+ lots of varied dialogue with choice and reacting to stuff from characters
+ best lockpicking minigame so far which i love
+ hardly any bugs (though i feel like i´m the only one who didn´t have many issues with previous BGS single-player titles)
+ boost pack, flying is kewl
- feels like a fast-travel simulator rather than an open world; the space layer with your ship should be more significant
- non-conform walk speed with NPCs
- Tutorial is fucking awful - one of the worst in gaming tbh; slow, pointless, too much set background (miner), yet still way too overwhelming at the same time (they introduce like 5 mechanics all at once at one point); seriously, the tutorial does everything it can to make the game seem dull, annoying and limited - when it´s the complete opposite!
- weird inflation going on, prices are sometimes way too high/low and don´t make sense
- the local map absolutely sucks balls, insane regression from last games

So yeah, overhaul the tutorial and we have GOTY on our hands.
Sep 5, 2023 2:46 PM
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I played it and it's really boring and not worth the money. If this was released by a smaller game studio people would be shitting all over it but Bethesda fans eat this up.
Sep 5, 2023 2:59 PM
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Starfield best game ever made! Thank you Bethesda I love you !
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To me the game has some alright elements but if your wanting space travel it's like mass effect then no man's sky and as was only interested in the tech, seeing loading screens just disappointed me.

For story writing/feel/inventories hard to say yet how it is but it may be good in those areas. The weapon selection is good though. That and the lock picking looks simple, not awkward to do.

Is Starfield a good game, yes in some areas. Perfect no. For me, no. Can I look at the good, bad and what I was seeking yes.

Never hated the old school (computer RPG design) but modern in ways of Bethesda or table top RPGs I appreciate them even if don't play them I like what they do.

Again AAA even with a huge budget this game feels like even besides the procedural generation and graphics pushing and 30FPS to be cinematic (who cares and settings you'll turn off anyway of film grain/motion blur) AAA does limit on what 'they' seek as their visions and yet if want innovation to Indies or AAs (AAs willing to try some ideas and not follow a trend, any that go backwards people complain about, I enjoy them because the little details they did offer ACTUALLY appealed to me it's those details I cared for) itself.

While I don't think all triple i or triple a/well noticed Indies are that good, they don't hold back on ideas and well also if they want to be inspired they know the games inside and out for sure, some tweaks make sense besides their own ideas to be 'different' to well not make it directly like the IP as they can't (I mean when many are nostalgic while fine I don't particularly care for, people can eat them up, I personally just don't care, the ones that are unique are the Indies big and small I care about).


Don't know enough about the planets/atmosphere, can Bethesda do theming though yes. I do think Apocalypse 1950s is cool in Fallout for sure. NASApunk though. Eh. Like going fairly realistic is fine but eh. Also why say it tries to be realistic (not that they have to be 1 to 1 also if was it'd be boring) but I mean when you still have game design quirks it doesn't make a lot of sense. Why no culling the corpses then? Or other realistic things like fall damage or others. AAA games make no sense.

I know cinematic/realism are different but I do laugh sometimes which is it AAA game publishers/devs what tropes/formulas are to be followed. They don't need to I prefer gamey elements but still.

If you want an RPG you play Starfield, it's going to be good no doubt with the way Bethesda writes things (if you want also an old school but modern RPG you know why you get Bethesda games that's clear), the same with Baulder's Gate you get it for an old-school RPG with some good details in there that modernise them but your seeking the old school feel/design in areas.

I'm fine with old-school with some tweaks it never bothered me. I enjoy seeing a spin on old, or a spin on modern but some modern are a bit eh of spins/standard/trope/formula heavy that I appreciate different or old but a few twists to them more. Not even for nostalgia either it's just different design I'm not sick of.

if you want a survival game but not as much in-depth story you play No Man's Sky or literally any other space game from other studios (No Man's Sky has a story but it's not the same quality and was added in an update too).

As I prefer survival games then RPGs (only tactics) I'm going to be particular but doesn't mean they don't have merit even if I don't play them for my lack of interest in some design or tropes of RPGs.

Also nothing wrong with some design but I mean there is parts of 8th gen that I'm like sure the hardware wasn't that much a step up so they were limited, but 9th gen there is no excuses and I see still 7-8th gen decision

(besides players and their studio loving bias too, I critique even games/companies I think do good and bad I have no 'all they make is great' mindset I have hated on my childhood series for not evolving, even when they did but wasted their potential to be safe, what a waste of dev time and direction that's so disappointing to be safe/not move on and just appeal to casuals, or hardcore that want safe games it's just boring

So times I find playing it safe while fans eat them up boring) and go so it's better graphics, maybe quality of life but game design that hasn't changed or appealed to me so why should I buy a PS5/Xbox Series console at all.

I can buy 6th gen with ideas more unique then today left behind no one cares about but me uncovering them and their limits. Some games limits have been overcome, others haven't.

if people can't tell the difference/don't read and want 'good/bad' basics of writing and reading that's on them.
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LOLZ ppl actually defending this game and or the pronoun thing, saying the usual thing of "it's only words" "why do you care" well two can play that game. If it's only words why do you care if I don't play along with your delusion? If they are literal words why is then, that they are so speical? Gotcha!
Me every time I hear the word "reparations": 🤣🤣🤣
Sep 6, 2023 3:55 AM

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I’ve played the game for about 2 hours now and I think that the gameplay is good but the game itself could run a lot better than it does honestly. In New Atlantis, my RTX 3060 was only around 40 FPS on low settings and dropping at times, and that’s while paired with a Ryzen 9 5900X. Definitely a poorly optimized game on its initial launch but is it fun? Yeah. But I would definitely enjoy the game more if it ran better.
Sep 6, 2023 4:06 AM

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To me the game has some alright elements but if your wanting space travel it's like mass effect then no man's sky and as was only interested in the tech, seeing loading screens just disappointed me.

For story writing/feel/inventories hard to say yet how it is but it may be good in those areas. The weapon selection is good though. That and the lock picking looks simple, not awkward to do.

Is Starfield a good game, yes in some areas. Perfect no. For me, no. Can I look at the good, bad and what I was seeking yes.

Never hated the old school (computer RPG design) but modern in ways of Bethesda or table top RPGs I appreciate them even if don't play them I like what they do.

Again AAA even with a huge budget this game feels like even besides the procedural generation and graphics pushing and 30FPS to be cinematic (who cares and settings you'll turn off anyway of film grain/motion blur) AAA does limit on what 'they' seek as their visions and yet if want innovation to Indies or AAs (AAs willing to try some ideas and not follow a trend, any that go backwards people complain about, I enjoy them because the little details they did offer ACTUALLY appealed to me it's those details I cared for) itself.

While I don't think all triple i or triple a/well noticed Indies are that good, they don't hold back on ideas and well also if they want to be inspired they know the games inside and out for sure, some tweaks make sense besides their own ideas to be 'different' to well not make it directly like the IP as they can't (I mean when many are nostalgic while fine I don't particularly care for, people can eat them up, I personally just don't care, the ones that are unique are the Indies big and small I care about).


Don't know enough about the planets/atmosphere, can Bethesda do theming though yes. I do think Apocalypse 1950s is cool in Fallout for sure. NASApunk though. Eh. Like going fairly realistic is fine but eh. Also why say it tries to be realistic (not that they have to be 1 to 1 also if was it'd be boring) but I mean when you still have game design quirks it doesn't make a lot of sense. Why no culling the corpses then? Or other realistic things like fall damage or others. AAA games make no sense.

I know cinematic/realism are different but I do laugh sometimes which is it AAA game publishers/devs what tropes/formulas are to be followed. They don't need to I prefer gamey elements but still.

If you want an RPG you play Starfield, it's going to be good no doubt with the way Bethesda writes things (if you want also an old school but modern RPG you know why you get Bethesda games that's clear), the same with Baulder's Gate you get it for an old-school RPG with some good details in there that modernise them but your seeking the old school feel/design in areas.

I'm fine with old-school with some tweaks it never bothered me. I enjoy seeing a spin on old, or a spin on modern but some modern are a bit eh of spins/standard/trope/formula heavy that I appreciate different or old but a few twists to them more. Not even for nostalgia either it's just different design I'm not sick of.

if you want a survival game but not as much in-depth story you play No Man's Sky or literally any other space game from other studios (No Man's Sky has a story but it's not the same quality and was added in an update too).

As I prefer survival games then RPGs (only tactics) I'm going to be particular but doesn't mean they don't have merit even if I don't play them for my lack of interest in some design or tropes of RPGs.

Also nothing wrong with some design but I mean there is parts of 8th gen that I'm like sure the hardware wasn't that much a step up so they were limited, but 9th gen there is no excuses and I see still 7-8th gen decision

(besides players and their studio loving bias too, I critique even games/companies I think do good and bad I have no 'all they make is great' mindset I have hated on my childhood series for not evolving, even when they did but wasted their potential to be safe, what a waste of dev time and direction that's so disappointing to be safe/not move on and just appeal to casuals, or hardcore that want safe games it's just boring

So times I find playing it safe while fans eat them up boring) and go so it's better graphics, maybe quality of life but game design that hasn't changed or appealed to me so why should I buy a PS5/Xbox Series console at all.

I can buy 6th gen with ideas more unique then today left behind no one cares about but me uncovering them and their limits. Some games limits have been overcome, others haven't.

if people can't tell the difference/don't read and want 'good/bad' basics of writing and reading that's on them.
@Suntanned_Duck2 I read your post, and I think what you’ve said about Starfield is pretty accurate. It isn’t a game for everyone. So far, in the amount of time that I played the game, I like it but not as much as I liked Fallout 4 on launch, or as much as New Vegas. I’d chalk this up to the fact that I have to explore through warping around rather than walking around and seeing the world. Whenever I was actually on a planet, procedural generated or not, I was having a fun time. But the game does have other flaws too. The optimization is abysmal. I don’t understand how it runs poorly on practically all GPUs out at the moment. That doesn’t make much sense to me. No clue about consoles because I don’t use them.

The game does do a lot right though: the game has interesting features in it, the gunplay is decent but very reminiscent of other Bethesda titles, the aesthetic looks nice, and the worlds themselves are interesting.
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About 10 hours in, gaming on PC. Not really sure what to think yet. It hasn't sucked me in yet like Skyrim did when I played that for the first time.

Also, the game keeps crashing randomly without warning, just quick freeze then bam, straight to desktop, and I don't bother restarting the game.

You know what, I'm watching Ichigo 100% right now and it is bringing me 100% more joy than Starfield.
@StewedBeefHaunch I haven’t had any crashes at all, but my game hasn’t ran that well. If you’re freezing and crashing, maybe you installed it on a hard drive instead of an SSD. Otherwise I have no idea why you’d be crashing.
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@StewedBeefHaunch I haven’t had any crashes at all, but my game hasn’t ran that well. If you’re freezing and crashing, maybe you installed it on a hard drive instead of an SSD. Otherwise I have no idea why you’d be crashing.
@Dulonkk

No idea either. Crashes don't seem to be something I can reliably replicate, they just happen randomly and without any warning. It's definitely not related to the install drive since I have it on an SSD now.

Glad you seem to be enjoying the game more than me though. I got it for free so I'm not super invested in it and I've pretty much dropped it already. In the coming weeks, I'm sure more people will come by this thread to share their thoughts too.
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I have it from the "Pre release" date, and is a really good Bethesda game: nothing more, nothing less. People where expecting some really deep RPG systems after tasting Baldurs Gate 3, but Bethesda games have always been (at least, since Morrowind) simple action RPG, with actions that has little impact (besides the classic: "Side with the bad guys" vs "Side with the good guys" decision).

It is a good game, and it would be a must buy if not for the crazy amount of other games that might catch your attention in a better way, like Baldurs Gate 3, Resident Evil 4, Armored Core 6, etc.
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I've put about 13 hours into the game so far, and what I can say about Starfield is that if you are a Bethesda fan such as myself, then Starfield is honestly among their best games. I honestly have not been able to put this game down since picking it up. I'd say in terms of writing, the side quests in Starfield are honestly better than in their previous titles developed by Bethesda Softworks, so I am excluding New Vegas. I don't believe that the quality of writing has exceeded that of Fallout New Vegas, but its a peg below it. The main story line is alright, better than Fallout 4 and Fallout 3's main stories, but obviously below that of New Vegas. In this regard, your choices don't have much meaning compared to a recent release like Baldur's Gate 3. In terms of writing and the story overall though, the game is solid, just don't expect too much out of it. Starfield is a casual RPG.

The planetary exploration is alright. Dungeons in Starfield are definitely a step below previous Bethesda titles. I'd say that their previous titles have better exploration and more satisfying exploration, however it is fun to go on to a new planet and see the life forms, resources, and procedurally generated content that is available. But, I absolutely prefer the hand-crafted dungeons of their previous titles.

Space travel is good, but it will disappoint those who expected more of a ship-focused style of travel rather than just warping around into a brief loading screen. Personally, I like the warps and I also enjoy the ship combat, even if I don't spend as much time in space as I should.

Crafting and settlements however, this game has taken one step forward and two steps back from Fallout 4 and Fallout 76. The ability to settle an outpost literally anywhere similar to the CAMP system of 76 is great, and the free camera plus the building options available are nice. I also enjoy how certain planets and moons will have certain resources to extract. But, where the game takes a massive step backwards is the usefulness of miscellaneous items. Personally, I liked how in Fallout 4 and in Fallout 76, these items could be scrapped for resources. Why remove this in Starfield? It just doesn't make sense. These junk items can't even be used for anything like weapon repair kits or crafting healing items like in New Vegas and Fallout 3, they're just useless besides selling them to level up the commerce perk. At least ship building is cool though.

Gunplay is honestly alright. Very reminiscent of 4 with the animations and actual mechanics. No changes with combat here, but its fun. Just not different.

I'd say over all I'd say Starfield to me is a 10/10 game because I'm biased, but from an actual critical standpoint, I'd say at best to critics it would be an 8/10 at most, but likely lower for most people and critics. Perhaps in the 6-7 range for most people. It isn't as game changing or groundbreaking as Baldur's Gate 3 this year, but I'd say it's still a solid game. I'll be posting pictures whenever something interesting comes up in my playthrough.
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I’ve played the game for about 2 hours now and I think that the gameplay is good but the game itself could run a lot better than it does honestly. In New Atlantis, my RTX 3060 was only around 40 FPS on low settings and dropping at times, and that’s while paired with a Ryzen 9 5900X. Definitely a poorly optimized game on its initial launch but is it fun? Yeah. But I would definitely enjoy the game more if it ran better.
@Dulonkk For the life of me I don't understand how a game can be a 10/10 when you're barely getting 40fps. And on low settings of all things. Idk how you grade games. Did you download the DLSS mod? It works really well.

I'd say this game is a solid 7/10. There's nothing amazing the game does, nor does it do anything poorly other than how badly optimized it is unless you have a 4090/4080 which todd tried to imply when he said "upgrade your pc". The game isn't amazing graphically, it doesn't push any boundaries, nor does it innovate. As a game it's fine, it's not bad. But I think what will ultimately disappoint people is the ungodly amounts of hype and expectations the game had prior to it's release. When at the end of the day, it's just a pretty good game. Just not a great one. IMO anyway.

Some glaring issues I'm having with the game is. 1. Too many loading screens. Literally your time is spent on a loading screen much more than it is spent on exploring. Especially in certain cities.

2. The inventory system is ass. Although I did manage to make it better with the mod. But yet again, if I need a mod to fix something it just means it wasn't good to begin with.

Just my two major issues right now.
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Is this a "buy" or a "sub to game pass to try"?
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@Dulonkk For the life of me I don't understand how a game can be a 10/10 when you're barely getting 40fps. And on low settings of all things. Idk how you grade games. Did you download the DLSS mod? It works really well.

I'd say this game is a solid 7/10. There's nothing amazing the game does, nor does it do anything poorly other than how badly optimized it is unless you have a 4090/4080 which todd tried to imply when he said "upgrade your pc". The game isn't amazing graphically, it doesn't push any boundaries, nor does it innovate. As a game it's fine, it's not bad. But I think what will ultimately disappoint people is the ungodly amounts of hype and expectations the game had prior to it's release. When at the end of the day, it's just a pretty good game. Just not a great one. IMO anyway.

Some glaring issues I'm having with the game is. 1. Too many loading screens. Literally your time is spent on a loading screen much more than it is spent on exploring. Especially in certain cities.

2. The inventory system is ass. Although I did manage to make it better with the mod. But yet again, if I need a mod to fix something it just means it wasn't good to begin with.

Just my two major issues right now.
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For the life of me I don't understand how a game can be a 10/10 when you're barely getting 40fps. And on low settings of all things. Idk how you grade games. Did you download the DLSS mod? It works really well.


That's an excellent question to ask me after I previously mentioned that I initially had performance issues in one of my older posts. I understand why you'd question my feelings towards the game and why I think its a 10/10 to me. Not on a critical standpoint, but to me. Well, I've done a few things to fix my performance. First of which was I did a little more than just change my settings to low, as of now I've actually tweaked them to a playable state on my PC. Main change that I remember making to the game without any mods was the render scaling adjustments that I made: I have it at 62% now and it runs a lot better outside of major cities like New Atlantis. The other thing that I did was that I downloaded the DLSS mod that is available on Nexus Mods and I installed it. I don't remember how much DLSS affected my performance exactly, like I can't tell you how much it changed in my frame rate for certain, but the game runs far better than it did for me before, so here are some estimations from what I remember seeing on my FPS counter. Those two changes alone got me to a playable state on most planets, somewhere between 52-65 FPS in most cases, sometimes exceeding that if the planet is emptier. In New Atlantis, I'm now running the game at around 45 FPS, so the DLSS mod and the render scaling changes fixed the game for me.

Part of the reason why I personally think this is a 10/10 (on a subjective level, objectively its closer to a 6 or 7 as I said in my most recent post) is because I absolutely love the game play loop. I don't care that it doesn't innovate or push any boundaries, I play the game to enjoy the game. And once I fixed my performance hiccups, the game has been enjoyable to me. So I guess you could say that I personally rate games off of enjoyment. If I remove my bias from the equation though, I absolutely agree with you that the inventory system is not that good. I'd say that Bethesda's Fallout titles have a better inventory system. I often find myself selling digipicks by accident when I'm dumping junk. As for the loading screens, they only really annoy me when I'm traveling in between parts of major cities like Neon or New Atlantis. I actually like the warp system in space. If you try just warping around while in space (by pointing your ship towards a quest marker) rather than just fast traveling around through the menu, yes, you will still have loading screens but you will also occasionally have random encounters in space.

I'd say the biggest issue besides the obvious performance hurdles that I've overcame thanks to lovely modders and some settings changes is that the tutorial was genuinely useless. Everything that I've learned in the game thus far, especially the warping part that I just went into detail with, was because I figured it out on my own. The tutorial was practically useless beyond the resource collection mechanics, and even so, it was quite poor for that as well.

Regardless, I appreciate you taking the time to question my reasoning for viewing Starfield in the way which I do, as well as raise some good points/critiques towards the game.




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Is this a "buy" or a "sub to game pass to try"?
@voidmask If you aren't a Bethesda fan, I would subscribe to Game Pass and try the game yourself. In the U.S. it is priced at $70, and while I was willing to pay that for Starfield, many people are not. Especially if regional pricing actually makes the game more expensive for you than it would be for me. If you are a Bethesda fan, unless you are absolutely certain that you will enjoy sinking your teeth into the game, I'd say pass on it and wait for a sale or go the Game Pass route. In my personal, biased opinion, the game is a 10/10, however to the more critical-minded, Starfield would not justify that sort of rating.
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@Suntanned_Duck2 I read your post, and I think what you’ve said about Starfield is pretty accurate. It isn’t a game for everyone. So far, in the amount of time that I played the game, I like it but not as much as I liked Fallout 4 on launch, or as much as New Vegas. I’d chalk this up to the fact that I have to explore through warping around rather than walking around and seeing the world. Whenever I was actually on a planet, procedural generated or not, I was having a fun time. But the game does have other flaws too. The optimization is abysmal. I don’t understand how it runs poorly on practically all GPUs out at the moment. That doesn’t make much sense to me. No clue about consoles because I don’t use them.

The game does do a lot right though: the game has interesting features in it, the gunplay is decent but very reminiscent of other Bethesda titles, the aesthetic looks nice, and the worlds themselves are interesting.
@Dulonkk It isn't and that's totally fine.

Not sure about X or Elite how similar it could be/is in a way?

I did get some Mass Effect/Ratchet Crack in Time vibes (let alone the Mass Effect 1 to 2 RPG to shooter focus to appeal to an audience while still being good at world building somewhat even if both Dragon Age 2/Mass Effect 2 have their issues but something that does still stick out as good about them in areas) from the space travel (not as satisfying as those but still), it has that Bethesda writing.

Exploring then warping makes sense as you get that immersion more, you can totally skip it as far as I can tell or there is some awkward way about it I've read online in some places but yeah exploring/getting close to the ship even is more immersive.

The scale is very different then marketing or people would think it can be then what it actually offers of space, planets and making outposts/quests to do and so on. There is content there and the worlds are what they are of 'life' as it's trying to be realistic while also having that Bethesda approach of NPCs and events and things in the worlds which I think is kind of a limiting factor in some ways the groudedness they are going for. There is fun to be had though but depends what is there/what in general you enjoy doing. What objects have value too, what skills you may consider using.

I can only say for the Xbox Series X version but if so on PC that's unfortunate. It seems fine for console but not been doing deep tests either on situations the game performs in. But from a PC perspective interesting to hear about it from that side I hadn't looked into PC results but is unfortunate it runs not so well there. With delays I'd have expected the PC version to be good but seems not.

Like even 1950s apocalypse Fallout has enough to make you go hmm I wonder how this will go for what brands, what lives these people have, what weird alternate future things you see. It's why I enjoyed Wolfenstein and Resistance for their alternate history takes on things and their own quirks (just as shooters then RPGs of course).

Yeah Fallout 4 (and others in the series) or Skyrim do have more going on in their worlds to just systems in general I guess (haven't played many Bethesda games so I only know bits and pieces, it's an area I do need to research more into).

Some quality of life could be better.

I don't deny it has some good in it, but a lot of questions in interviews I'd like to know about what they were planning and what is too much the marketing for one as there is always some clarity needed there. What technical aspects they had limiting in production/or their engine as well.

The jumping on Y while I'm used to it on some old modern shooters it does seem odd to still have a top button (probably more reasonable key on PC) on console. Top face buttons on console is awkward. Even Breath of the Wild it was worth switching the button around (at least Starfield you can swap them, also odd that while reload/interact are different never had issues with it combined on console versions).

The gunplay while I couldn't tell id helped as it's so modern in a way different then Wolfenstein/Doom's latest entries. I haven't much clue on Fallout gunplay other than seeing VAT. I know you can skip VAT but I forget what it looks like/how it plays.

It works and gets the job done I'd say, it doesn't look off, it functions and presents itself well for shooting controls/mechanic, the weapon wheel is good I like that. The lockpicking is a fun minigame and easy enough to match/understand then frustrating.
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I haven't started playing it yet, but I'm following several series from various streamers, it's a very interesting game
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but it's clearly not nearly the wonder they've promised
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Now it is a matter of a few months from now for the mods to do complete wonders in the game and give life to all the empty planets
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@voidmask If you aren't a Bethesda fan, I would subscribe to Game Pass and try the game yourself. In the U.S. it is priced at $70, and while I was willing to pay that for Starfield, many people are not. Especially if regional pricing actually makes the game more expensive for you than it would be for me. If you are a Bethesda fan, unless you are absolutely certain that you will enjoy sinking your teeth into the game, I'd say pass on it and wait for a sale or go the Game Pass route. In my personal, biased opinion, the game is a 10/10, however to the more critical-minded, Starfield would not justify that sort of rating.
@Dulonkk Fair play. Thanks for the opinion.

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