| Concidering animation was the only thing the show had going for it s1, no wonder people are going to complain about any minor change. |
| Agreed lol. I had low expectations because of all the hate but it looks fantastic |
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bledsoe60 said: That's because people don't understand the process or at least are unable to differentiate post-production from animation. People seem to go "oooh" and "aaah" at lense flares, clouds moving, epic scenes without realizing it's just two keyframes and software does the rest. Almost no one realizes that good animation means dynamic movement of characters and/or background, dialog scenes where whole head is animated instead of two image slideshow (ala One Punch Man S2 animation) representing talking or movement.I know there are a lot of stupid people in the world, but to watch this episode and say it was poorly animated makes me wonder if you are actually physically blind. Either that, or you don't actually understand the first thing about what animation actually is and entails, and therefore you say things that are so stupid that it makes people cringe It's the details that matter and to an observant eye they are a treasure trove. For most however, tits is all that matters. |
RobertsahDHDA said: ErnaSB said: I remember when life was simpler and nobody complained about Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and other shounen animation. Now we get a cinematic experience with beautiful shots, movements, pretty good pace and everyone trynna find a reason not liking this by pressing pause every 5 seconds just to say ''omg this looks bad''. It's kinda ironic because you can do that with literally every anime, but they choose to do it on Jujutsu Kaisen for some reason. Zoomers be zooming. Just look at what they are celebrating instead. The spiritual successor to Highschool of the Dead which glorifies NEET-ism. Anime fans are only able to comprehend flashy colors. While I kind of agree with you I'll make clear that that series is not even a spiritual succesor to HotD since the only thing in similar they have is zombies, and that most people really do care mainly for flashy colors and that's why Kimetsu no Yaiba is called the anime with the best animation when it couldn't be farther from the truth. That said, that doesn't make Jujutsu Kaisen animation any better. |
SentiOnikawa said: i mean could you prove me wrong, its the Bleach and Naruto shonen formula to the letter. hell, the name of the show is translated iinto "Sorcery Fight". Its goddamn dumb and it probably knows it is. MangoSamurai said: To quote a wise manConcidering animation was the only thing the show had going for it s1, no wonder people are going to complain about any minor change. |
| Looks good but isn't perfect either, some elements to the animation and composition are better in season 2, but it is also a bit inconsistent too at times. Doesn't look as refined but at least it is a little more risk-taking compared to season 1 when it comes to direction for the non-action scenes. Too bad the episode itself was not that interesting for me, but the animation isn't bad whatsoever, more consistency would have improved this even more. |
I mean, the characters alone are just superior to their Naruto counterparts, if you can even make that comparison. All of the female cast stands a chance against most threats and aren't overshadowed by their male counterparts except where it concerns Gojo, but he was born overpowered anyways. Heck, Gojo is a more interesting Kakaski with a far superior power-set and actually remains relevant throughout. Nobara is Sakura made useful and given a legitimate flaw rather than existing as a waifu for one of the two male characters on her team. Megumi is Sasuke except rather than falling behind because plot, he actively improves because his mentor gives him solid advice for not sucking. As for Yuuji, yeah, the resurrection thing was arguably stupid, but he also doesn't autowin all his fights and actually struggles to keep up before meeting Aoi Toudou. Achieving six Black Flashes is more a testament to his potential rather than a floor to his power level. The power system is more/less a subversion of typical battle shounen. Cursed energy is derived from negative emotions, which means channeling and controlling them are essential skills for Jujutsu Sorcerors. Telling your opponent how your power works actually makes it stronger. Domain Expansions are unique enough that it adds an extra level of complexity to fights. Fights themselves are generally more strategic than "my power level is maximumer!" or friendship power-ups. Heck, the Yuuji/Aoi vs Hanami fight was a 2v1 that didn't devolve into Toudou having a broken ability, but much rather that he understood how to utilize it effectively. The humor works well. Aoi Touodou crafting a high school SoL in his mind as a backstory for his friendship with Yuuji (who he met not five minutes ago) is a legitimately funny scene. It especially works when, later in that arc, he reverts to that same setting to figure out how Hanami's seed bullets work. The writing being consistent is also what makes the humor work. Nobara has a boyish figure which is a source of contention for herself and others, but isn't an overused gag, either. Megumi is the straight man who doesn't even attempt to entertain the antics of Gojo, Nobara, and Yuuji. Kento Nanami's "I don't get paid enough for this crap" attitude is actively entertaining to an almost hysterical degree. Him subverting the "mentor's rival" role and outright stating he doesn't respect Gojo is some good writing. The villains are pretty well-written. Sukuna feels like the main villain at first before the other villains are introduced, at which point he's kind of a middle man to the central conflict. He doesn't even fall off in relevance like the Akatsuki or Aizen, being treated as a real and active threat for as long as Yuuji exists. Kenjaku's philosophy is horrifying, but also compelling in the sense of it making sense when you consider his perspective. Jujutsu sorcerors are effectively a "special class" of people with exceptional abilities effectively employed to keep the "weaker" normies ignorant of the ever-present dangers of curses. It can get frustrating for people who are arguably the evolution of Humanity in that universe to be constantly working for the benefit of those who constantly throw themselves on the mercy of the same monstrosities born of their worst attributes. There's also the fact that the series makes no effort to disguise the fact that society by-and-large is so rife with negative energy that curses being commonplace isn't unusual. It's that the resources to constantly deal with these things are never as abundant as the problems themselves. Which brings me to my last point, that being that the narrative makes no effort to pretend the series isn't ending any other way except how the first chapter/episode implies. Yuuji is a vessel for a world-ending threat. He's not going to stop being a vessel for that threat. Inevitably, he'll be executed and that'll be the end of it. His goal is to live a long life doing something worthwhile and making many friends so he's surrounded by loved ones when he does die. His grandfather doesn't even stick around to act as a parental figure/mentor, but kicks the bucket in episode one. Up until he returns during the school tournament arc, he's essentially alone in life and has to motivate himself to improve as a sorceror. Heck, the show doesn't even let him off with improving to a certain point or gaining experiences. As Nanami Kento puts it, "You're not an adult until you've come to terms with the accumulation of smaller disappointments." In other words, adulthood is being able to tolerate what life throws at you and never losing your cool even when there is a legitimate reason to. I mean you havent really provided me with something that made this story as outstanding as it is or higher than its counterparts (ill come back to this later) other than that it is competent on a basic level. You call the villains "pretty well-written", you say the humor works "well" and The power system is more/less a subversion of typical battle shounen. Which, a subversion of a powersystem is basically a cliche in and of itself already in the Shounen world. You can see how all these descriptors dont really scream exceptional. They are to me what i would call "servicable" in a story, and this is probably where we differ. I dont deny you writings and explainations but to me it is still significantly far of what i would concider a banger or a fantastic plot. Something which could exceed its animation quality, if that makes sense. As of this point its story just fades into the background more a vehicle for creative fight scene animation, atleast to the experience of its season 1 adaptation for me personally. Also when it come sto comparing it to Naruto, you can clearly point out the flaws of its story however you also leave out what made Naruto successful, and vice versa comparing it to JJK and finding flaw in that. Because i could do so as well. Yuuji is far worse as a main character then Naruto is, they are both annoying hotheads like the stereotype but Yuuji has far less growth or intruege then Naruto. Both have spirits inside but due to the environment of Naruto, he is shunned having to prove himself. But Yuuji? His entire point in the show is as mc and a vessel however as hothead, he has no ingrueging ideas or thought s about his sitution other than quirky acceptance. I mean if you were to make a point about the characters, the growth of all of them in S1, what would the emotional core be? I doubt you could find it. Saying JJK s1 only had animation going for it was obviously a hyperbole but i don think i would be entirely off, concidering similar shounen projects like demon slayer. |
| Delusion and/or wild cries for attention. Maybe a rare, genuin critique here and there. You're part of the problem, friend. Making a Counter-Thread to every edgy dope out there complaining will always encourage more trolling and attention seeking^^ Stop it, please. |
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bigblackchuakz said: Why? Because you can't take other opinion that badly? Its not good it is not good no need to lying "No need to lying" |
PeripheralVision said: Not this video since it is 60fps and is ruining the scene, but the scene itself in the show is fantastic background animation. What kind of crack are you smoking. Could you explain to me where the supposed inconsistencies are? It is supposed to be a reference to the Paprika hall running scene which is all warped too. It is meant to look that way. It is not rough at all. Picking a straight Sakuga scene and calling it rough/poor or whatever seems crazy to me.Regarding the first episode, I did feel there were errors in the animation. Precisely, the time Mei Mei turned her head and the scene where Utahime is running in the direction opposite to Mei Mei as the mansion collapsed. Those were admittly pretty rough compared to the previous season and even to other anime. I could understand attributing it to a stylistic change or something, but it does look bad to me, mainly in terms of proportion inconsistencies when turning or using a different angle. Running Scene in Question: (https://youtu.be/KGKPt_9hXyg) |
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Calal-Chan said: I was calling the character models weirdly inconsistent or maybe just "bad", rather than background. You know how in 2-D animation, one of the things people have to account for is how characters look from different angles? In regarding to this scene, Utahime just looks weirdly disproprtionate or just weird in this scene based on her side views.PeripheralVision said: Not this video since it is 60fps and is ruining the scene, but the scene itself in the show is fantastic background animation. What kind of crack are you smoking. Could you explain to me where the supposed inconsistencies are? It is supposed to be a reference to the Paprika hall running scene which is all warped too. It is meant to look that way. It is not rough at all. Picking a straight Sakuga scene and calling it rough/poor or whatever seems crazy to me.Regarding the first episode, I did feel there were errors in the animation. Precisely, the time Mei Mei turned her head and the scene where Utahime is running in the direction opposite to Mei Mei as the mansion collapsed. Those were admittly pretty rough compared to the previous season and even to other anime. I could understand attributing it to a stylistic change or something, but it does look bad to me, mainly in terms of proportion inconsistencies when turning or using a different angle. Running Scene in Question: (https://youtu.be/KGKPt_9hXyg) I reviewed the original scene in Paprika, and I did not see this problem with the actual character.  I think the one key difference is that he never ran directly towards the camera, but at an angle, whereas Utahime was running at an angle normal to the viewer. This would probably do many things, but one issue is that you cannot communicate as effectively depth. If you look at the original scene, you can clearly see the point in the background where the walls of the hallway converges. Compare this to Jujutsu Kaisen.  Utahime is running directly towards the camera while blocking part of the perspective, at least initially. The scene lingers a bit too long in this straightforward shot before the actual destruction of the hallway occurs, so it looks weird partially because we are not used to viewing Utahime in this way moving in this way, if you catch my drift. Or in essence, they may have been paying homage to the scene but they end up not using the same tricks that Paprika did, so it does not work as well. That's about the best I can explain it. It looks sort of...flat, for something that should be communicating depth. It doesn't really help that there is also cloth physics considering what she is wearing, which may have been the key factor to making it noticeable, in the episodes I have seen (Crunchyroll, several pirating sites and now Youtube videos). To explain the obvious, her sleeves do not have a convincing degree of weight you would expect in a live-action/real life. So a lack of physics/going halvsies physicals makes it look bizarre I like the series, but I have high standards because of what became before, such as Mahito's Domain Expansion, among other things. Unless you mean this is a stylistic intention, which fair enough, but that's where it would have diverged from Paprika. |
ogpu said: You can see in the images the major problems of the animation: lack of details when they are needed, and mismatched styles and fidelity. These are the main reasons why these shots look and feel out of place. Since the graphics do not convey a coherent and consistent look, they can be considered poor. Those shots look great. Thanks for highlighting to us how L your takes are. On to the blacklist |
PeripheralVision said: That seems like extreme nitpicking. Most shows wouldn't have animated this scene nearly this well in general. You are straight up comparing it to one of the best scenes in JJK to a scene that is supposed to be like an infinite hall. The fact you are comparing this whole scene which is a mostly comedic based scene to one of the best and serious moments of JJK season 1 is crazy. Of course that Mahito Domain Expansion is going to look better. It is a reveal of his Domain Expansion and part of the climax of a major fight. Why are you comparing a comedic infinite hallway running scene to one of the best moments in JJK season one? (and even I can find "issues" with his domain expansion such as some low frame rate for example.) Maybe compare this to all the plenty of still and basic animation season 1 had outside of the fight scenes or how most shows would have animated this in a much more basic way. If they are putting this much effort into scenes that don't even need it imagine how good the other stuff is going to look.Calal-Chan said: I was calling the character models weirdly inconsistent or maybe just "bad", rather than background. You know how in 2-D animation, one of the things people have to account for is how characters look from different angles? In regarding to this scene, Utahime just looks weirdly disproprtionate or just weird in this scene based on her side views.Not this video since it is 60fps and is ruining the scene, but the scene itself in the show is fantastic background animation. What kind of crack are you smoking. Could you explain to me where the supposed inconsistencies are? It is supposed to be a reference to the Paprika hall running scene which is all warped too. It is meant to look that way. It is not rough at all. Picking a straight Sakuga scene and calling it rough/poor or whatever seems crazy to me. I reviewed the original scene in Paprika, and I did not see this problem with the actual character. I think the one key difference is that he never ran directly towards the camera, but at an angle, whereas Utahime was running at an angle normal to the viewer. This would probably do many things, but one issue is that you cannot communicate as effectively depth. If you look at the original scene, you can clearly see the point in the background where the walls of the hallway converges. Compare this to Jujutsu Kaisen. Utahime is running directly towards the camera while blocking part of the perspective, at least initially. The scene lingers a bit too long in this straightforward shot before the actual destruction of the hallway occurs, so it looks weird partially because we are not used to viewing Utahime in this way moving in this way, if you catch my drift. Or in essence, they may have been paying homage to the scene but they end up not using the same tricks that Paprika did, so it does not work as well. That's about the best I can explain it. It looks sort of...flat, for something that should be communicating depth. It doesn't really help that there is also cloth physics considering what she is wearing, which may have been the key factor to making it noticeable, in the episodes I have seen (Crunchyroll, several pirating sites and now Youtube videos). To explain the obvious, her sleeves do not have a convincing degree of weight you would expect in a live-action/real life. So a lack of physics/going halvsies physicals makes it look bizarre I like the series, but I have high standards because of what became before, such as Mahito's Domain Expansion, among other things. Unless you mean this is a stylistic intention, which fair enough, but that's where it would have diverged from Paprika. |
Calal-ChanJul 12, 2023 12:42 AM
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PeripheralVision said: Oh no I still think it is well animated. I just don't think comparing this to one of the best animated moments in season 1 is fair. In fact I never said it wasn't well animated. You tend to ignore the point and put words into someone elses mouth. Calal-Chan said: I am not waving a gun here and frothing at the mouth. I am just saying I noticed it, which is it not something I go out of my way to notice. I still very much like the anime; crriticism does not mean overall dislike. The point is that this is a very dynamic scene that was not as thoguhtfully planned out as you claim. It only makes sense to compares scenes with greater demand for its animation team to others; the intention of comedy does not really change that when the scenes in question lasts for this long, and especially for the debut of a new and highly anticipated second season.That seems like extreme nitpicking. Most shows wouldn't have animated this scene nearly this well in general. You are straight up comparing it to one of the best scenes in JJK to a scene that is supposed to be like an infinite hall. The fact you are comparing this whole scene which is a mostly comedic based scene to one of the best and serious moments of JJK season 1 is crazy. Of course that Mahito Domain Expansion is going to look better. It is a reveal of his Domain Expansion and part of the climax of a major fight. Why are you comparing a comedic infinite hallway running scene to one of the best moments in JJK season one? (and even I can find "issues" with his domain expansion such as some low frame rate for example.) Maybe compare this to all the plenty of still and basic animation season 1 had outside of the fight scenes or how most shows would have animated this in a much more basic way. If they are putting this much effort into scenes that don't even need it imagine how good the other stuff is going to look. How is that you went from "that scene is actually well animated" to "it is not suppose to well animated because it is comedic"? |
Calal-ChanJul 12, 2023 2:24 PM
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Rentaroli said: maybe you're the one who should rewatch the entire episode again, because it didn't contain rotoscoped cut at allrotoscoped animation by a studio who is just reusing chainsaw man animation style because the mass populous think rotoscoped animation actually looks good. go rewatch the first season or the movie and you will enjoy that animation far more if you aren't a braindead mappa dickrider and maybe you should rewatch Chainsaw Man again, because it has, for like, 10 rotoscoped cuts out of hundreds |
| Aesthetics are subjective, I actually think its more normal to not like it and you have to rationalize what looks bad with this talk about "really understanding how animation works". :) |
ErnaSB said: For me at least it's because I loved the first season and it was the best I've watched in a long time. This second season is a let down so I feel like I have to say something about it.I remember when life was simpler and nobody complained about Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and other shounen animation. Now we get a cinematic experience with beautiful shots, movements, pretty good pace and everyone trynna find a reason not liking this by pressing pause every 5 seconds just to say ''omg this looks bad''. It's kinda ironic because you can do that with literally every anime, but they choose to do it on Jujutsu Kaisen for some reason. |
MiruNoJutsu said: Honestly, I find the 2nd season visually a step up. It has a better direction too, but I get what you say. Action wise we can't really compare between the two seasons yet until we get to see actual fights. I think people will get used to this new style and will come to appreciate it more as the time passes. ErnaSB said: For me at least it's because I loved the first season and it was the best I've watched in a long time. This second season is a let down so I feel like I have to say something about it.I remember when life was simpler and nobody complained about Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and other shounen animation. Now we get a cinematic experience with beautiful shots, movements, pretty good pace and everyone trynna find a reason not liking this by pressing pause every 5 seconds just to say ''omg this looks bad''. It's kinda ironic because you can do that with literally every anime, but they choose to do it on Jujutsu Kaisen for some reason. |
Rentaroli said: Insulting me and a word is your only proof? Show any cuts that you consider rotoscoped and i can show you the cuts you mentioned isn't rotoscoped at all. You didn't know about animation at all, let alone the direction. And i think you're the one who lacks critical thinking skills here, i even rated hell paradise a lower score lolDrkSeid69 said: seeing as all it takes is one look at your profile to understand that you are a mappa dickrider is all I need to see, and you also lack critical thinking skills. Chainsawy man was mostly rotoscoped 2d shots, and jjk season 2 also uses the exact same style because cavedwellers like yourself think its good. get off the computer and figure out what real animation ismaybe you're the one who should rewatch the entire episode again, because it didn't contain rotoscoped cut at all and maybe you should rewatch Chainsaw Man again, because it has, for like, 10 rotoscoped cuts out of hundreds |
DrkSeid69Jul 13, 2023 11:20 PM
MiruNoJutsu said: I don't get this at all, I'll take the first 2 episodes of season 2 over the whole of s1 in every single metric... what was it you liked about s1 so much?ErnaSB said: For me at least it's because I loved the first season and it was the best I've watched in a long time. This second season is a let down so I feel like I have to say something about it.I remember when life was simpler and nobody complained about Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and other shounen animation. Now we get a cinematic experience with beautiful shots, movements, pretty good pace and everyone trynna find a reason not liking this by pressing pause every 5 seconds just to say ''omg this looks bad''. It's kinda ironic because you can do that with literally every anime, but they choose to do it on Jujutsu Kaisen for some reason. |
ogpu said: I distinctly disliked ep1 and its moments, and I still stand by that: ep1 looked poor, maybe the odd day off or one done by an intern, I don't know - but I have to say that ep2 looks so much better, just as I would expect from a big production studio and a big IP like JJK; I say that because I like to be correct given the data at hand.LIVI___ said: I "only" want coherence and consistency. The specific level of quality is only secondary. A good example of what's wrong in Season 2 compared to Season 1 can be captured in this image.Would you care to explain this? What do you consider a good animation? And which anime have good animations? Since the level nitpicking you did, I'm assuming that there is no animation in this entire universe, which has good animation. Here you can see that there are no bold black outlines on Gojo's hair, for example, and everything that has a black outline is consistent in this frame. To balance out these outlines, everything in this image is shaded to smooth out the appearance and blend in with the rest of the scene. And when I compare this image to the previous three I've talked about, it should be obvious what I find lacking and poor. |
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