Vinland Saga
| You have Eren Yeager in your favourite who have killed 80% of humanity for Mikasa lol. And also Askeladd who have killed so many inocent people. Atleast Gardar have a reason for his actions unlike them still you support them and not a slave who is in the verge of death. |
ZXEANApr 25, 2023 6:52 AM
sarthak_dms said: I really don't care π€ͺZXEAN said: You have Eren Yeager in your favourite who have killed 80% of humanity for Mikasa lol. And also Askeladd who have killed so many inocent people. Atleast Gardar have a reason for his actions unlike them still you support them and not a slave who is in the verge of death. but here I am not supporting the murderer |
| Because Thorfinn's side is morally above Snake's imo. Thorfinn knows from experience that seeking out vengeance will not put and end to the cycle of hatred. Moreover, Gardar being a murderer is understandable because he killed them for saving his life. |
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| They're killing their captors and trying to escape slavery, did you forget about the whole slavery thing? Do you think the slavers are morally correct? |
sarthak_dms said: Are you this narrow-sighted? What show are you watching to begin with? Are you saying Snake isn't a murderer? And who did Gardar murder again, innocent civilians? Thorfinn and Einar are helping slave Arnheid escape, and Arnheid wants to save and be with her enslaved husband. How ridiculous is it for you to throw word "murderer" as if Snake is some righteous justice-warrior. Snake is perfectly fine with Arnheid remaining a slave forever, and he couldn't care less if he has to separate Arnheid from her husband, be it bondage or death.why is majority of people supporting thorfinn when all he is doing is saving a murderer. |
| Dude...it's the poor, beaten Slaves against the guy beeing in charge of guarding human trafficking to go smoothly on the land xD What are you talking about? Didn't you watch the past few Episodes? Why is it the guy is murdering in the first place? It's cause someone made him a slave and sold his son .... What don't you understand? Weirdo ^^ |
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| Wait, what? Are Snakes men not murderers too? I mean... they literally were trying to kill Thorfinn and Einarr is the first episodes of the season, or have you forgotten that? I'm in no way endorsing murder here, but those guys have no moral high ground to judge anyone based on that. Snake's revenge is not a question of justice, but of pride and warband leadership. No one wants to follow a man who doesn't avenge his own. That's what he means when he says one can't wield a sword and let that go. And Gardar only killed his owner - which, as a slave, specially an abused one, should be justified - and the people who were trying to catch him and turn him in. Do you think they would, like, send him to prison or something? There's a high price in his head so he's brought alive to be killed in the most painful way possible. That should be reason enough for him to fight back and not be called a murderer, no? Honestly, I don't even like Gardar all that much. Dude has a mean violent streak and I think he might be way beyond redemption. But one can't fault his morals yet. |
| Both sides are equally justified. Kind of. Snake is justified because Gardar killed 5 of his men. He's a mercenary. He didn’t enslave Gardar. It doesn’t matter who Gardar is. From Snake's perspective Gardar might as well be a rampaging psychopath. He doesn’t care about his relationship with Arnheid. Thorfinn and Einar are slaves themselves. They probably understand what Gardar is going through. Not to mention they have friendship with their fellow slave Arnheid. Both Thorfinn and Einar wish well for her and want her to be free. Especially Einar. And with the discovery of Gardar, they finally have a way to free her. I highly doubt they'd help Gardar without his connection with Arnheid though. They were even trying to not get involved after Arnheid told them to wait till the storm passed. If Gardar was just a random slave they'd probably help to hide him at most. They wouldn’t go through the lengths they are going through now. Anyways, neither side is fully right or wrong IMO. Snake wants revenge for his men. And Thorfinn and Einar wish for Arnheid to be free. But if you go with the themes of the show, Thorfinn and Einar have the moral high ground. Trying to save a wounded man and a slave and all. They're the main characters of the show so you're clearly supposed to root for them. But I can't say I can completely fault you for siding with Snake either. |
0451Apr 25, 2023 12:25 PM
sarthak_dms said: In the lastest episode when there is conflict between thorfinn and snake, why is majority of people supporting thorfinn when all he is doing is saving a murderer. Don't they understand snake or what. To be honest I am on snake's side. I'm with you dude, if her husband had just killed his sadistic abusive slave owners I'd say ok justified and help him escape. But he killed six innocent guards who were only doing their job of protecting the farm. Even if those guards aren't the most righteous people they didn't deserve to be killed for doing nothing other than stopping a crazy killer who entered their land illegally. Hell one guy was being nice and let his wife come see him so not all bad people. Hell snake even subdued him nonviolently once. Only trying to kill him now that he's killed about 10 or so people. Including his men who were doing nothing but guarding him. |
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| Also all the people trying to use modern moral standards to justify the killing of snakes men is ludicrous. Is slavery bad - yes to me it was bad then and now But am I gonna blame these people for upholding the laws of their times and think it's ok they died for that no. I can understand killing his abusive owners just cause I know I'd wanna do that. But snakes men are just security guards working a beat. They didn't ask for this guy to enter the farm they are guarding, they weren't the ones that enslaved him or abused him as a slave, they are just guys trying to stop a threat to all the innocent people living on the farm. If a drug dealer now is selling crack to a bunch of people and the police try to stop him and he kills 6 cops while trying to escape we would think that's not good and be on the cops side. But say 1000 years from now all drugs are legal and drug dealers are just doing a job that's protected by the law and perfectly normal. If someone from the future heard my scenario above and goes oh well the cops deserved to die cause they we're trying to shut down that man's business and take food out of his family's mouth and destroy his life......that would be the same thing. They are judging something by their current societal norms. This is called Presentism! |
Collins89Apr 27, 2023 12:22 AM
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sarthak_dms said: and why was he a murderer? didnt he murder cuz he was made a slave against his will, being separated from his wife and son? I dont know what his owner was like, he killed him to free himself and search for his family after years of being opressed. He killed snakes men as a form of defending himself, if not he would be killed anyway. Its hard for me to condone or condemned his actions tbh. But i also understand snakes point. In the lastest episode when there is conflict between thorfinn and snake, why is majority of people supporting thorfinn when all he is doing is saving a murderer. Don't they understand snake or what. To be honest I am on snake's side. |
| I leaned toward rooting for Thorfinn just because he's a main character and, especially as someone not a huge fan of the small Gardar arc of episodes, I just want to see both Thorfinn's and the other characters he's more closely related to's journey continue on unimpeded without too heavy and prolonged a derailment by say, him getting seriously injured and ending up bedridden for half a season or something (not that I expected it to happen). I don't have a dog in the fight beyond that and don't consider it some super contentious ethical or ideological issue to try and navigate. Both characters are/were acting in line with what could be considered reasonably and rationally enough. It's extremely easy to see why either would take the actions they did and definitely don't think either is wrong from their own perspective. Sometimes, oftentimes - I would say usually actually, people are doing what they consider correct from their own standpoint and which benefits them as an individual and/or their small tribe of people they care about - i.e., family, friends, neighborhood, town/city, country, religious group, members of an organization like a club or union, etc., and end up on opposing sides with someone because the interests are simply different and conflicting ones. Even in cases where I am more sympathetic to and support one side, it's not like I typically want to see the other side brutally punished and suffer just for doing what they believe is right and necessary. |
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