Public Service Announcement Regarding An Anime Original Ending (AOE)

WillofFire700 said:


Nice, you definitely get it. Yeah I was going to bring up Muv Luv, but there's just too many parallels, it's overwhelming to list them all. Isayama saying he ripped off Muv Luv is actually the biggest evidence for AOE. Anyone who's played it or even read enough about it would understand why the multiple timeline theory is absolutely what Isayama is currently doing right now. At this point it's just too obvious. All this evidence sitting right in front of everyone's faces and they still don't seem to understand.

ShadowUnown said:

I mean, Isayama said he copied ML Alternative which is the alternate ending (actually sequel) to ML Unlimited, yet his manga had the same ending as Unlimited... and now his anime version is coming out on the same day (3rd March) the alternative ending (actually sequel) to Muv-Luv came out. So yeah, if AOE doesn't happen I'll be pretty shocked, although it's still possible that he scrapped out the idea at some point or something. It is known that Yama has a fetish for dates, numerology and symbolism (which makes me think that Eren saying he wants to be in the mind of Mikasa "for 10 years at least" could be a hint for her new fate as well. 2013 + 10 = 2023).
Tbh AOE doesn't necessarily mean that the ending will be good, as depending on the duration the conclusion can be as rushed and poorly explained as the manga was, but I'm hoping it happens nonetheless, it makes this work seem so much more well thought out.

Adnash said:
First it was a completely new anime original ending, now it's a replacement of the existing source material (after seeing how faithful was MAPPA's anime adaptation)... and the closer we are to Season 4 Part 3's premiere, the more I see comments calling "enriched content from the manga" as that mythical aoe. Heck, some people are delusional to the point that they will yell how they "won", because of dunno, one frame being adapted from slightly different angle than it had been on the adapted panel from the manga, lol.

Instead, I'd suggest just waiting for the show and accepting whatever it offers. I think the chances for anime original ending are abysmal, but if we get one - then whatever, I will be as much happy as with seeing the official ending known from Shingeki no Kyojin manga. Bringing toxic and ignorant attitude from the past, known mostly among many edgy manga elitists, to the anime section is really not necessary. While generalization is bad and all, I've been long enough a member of this fandom to be really assured that anime only part of it has been in general more chilled and open for a civil discussion than your regular "Shingeki no Kyojin manga reader, huge fan".

WillofFire700 said:

Yep and not just that, Muv-Luv The Day After is very similar to the extra 8 pages we got after 139. So you have the manga which is similar to Muv-Luv Ultimate and the extra 8 pages that are similar to Muv-Luv The Day After. However, Isayama says that his biggest inspiration was Muv-Luv Alternative which can only lead us to the anime. Also wow didn't even know March 3rd lines up with the release of Muv Luv Alternative. And the 10 years thing is pretty crazy if that's what he was going for.

gazelle2580 said:
I kind of hoped for an aoe for the most part, since i found the ending of the manga a bit unsatisfactory but i dont believe it's going to happen, and even if it does i dont think it will be more satisfying. My main problem with the manga ending was Ymir (trying not to spoil), I liked erens motivation and how his story ended, same with everyone else but the revelation of ymir's actual reason to do everything she did, seemed really off to me and i just don't think that that's something an aoe would change if it were to happen. But to go back to the main point, i always liked the idea of multiple timelines, and anime and manga being different ones but overall it doesn't really matter to me

raceraot said:


I mean, 121-122 sort of foreshadow and hint at her reasons, anyways.

gazelle2580 said:

What does that have to do with me not liking it? Just because it's foreshadowed it doesn't mean it's good or anything

Modernoir said:
It's honestly been fucking hilarious watching people who for years never understood the ending and couldn't come to terms with their "literally me sigma male" MC actually being human instead of some 1-dimensional "badass" spend so much time milking the idea that they'll go the anime original route when the producers have stated NUMEROUS times they plan to adapt the story in FULL. Also the Japanese actually responded very warmly to the ending.

You are the vocal minority.

There is not going to be an anime-original ending.

Either get over the ending or re-read the story and realise the ending was foreshadowed to the fucking letter from the very beginning.

This cope is so embarrassing, get over yourselves. They're not going to force your edgy shitty fanfic to be canon just because a vocal minority of Yeagerist retards threw tantrums over their fascist pro-genocide fantasy not being a reality. At best they will adapt the whole manga and extend the ending to be better-paced, which is the only real big flaw of the ending to begin with. I'm really gonna savour seeing the AoE/Yeagerist cult lose it when the anime adapts the same ending and it isn't hated upon by the majority the same way animeonlys actually loved Gabi and the Alliance.

In other words COPE!

Also I'm glad you got your post out properly this time lol.

ShadowUnown said:
Whoops, sorry Wikipedia just trolled me, 3rd march is actually the release date of the CD Rom edition, MLA came out 24th february instead (and Kanketsu will premiere March 3 at 24:25, effectively March 4 at 12:25 a.m.). I didn't know about The Days After series, another interesting parallel indeed. Interestingly a guy in another thread reminded us that 139 can mean the ending of a cycle and beginning of another in Numerology.

P.S.: also thanks for making this thread for our sake, what a man you are; many still think that some people believe in a "new ending" for AoT simply because the "manga ending was bad" when in fact the quality of the manga ending matters little to validate AOE. If you're a manga reader check out these parallels with Muv-Luv Alternative too if you haven't seen them yet.

WillofFire700 said:

Cool, you've made some fair points. And I've seen that video already, very good. I just didn't recommend it since it's over an hour long. Also I would say it's not reliable to trust what Isayama says at this point as he obviously won't reveal an AOE in an interview. But I understand what you mean by needing a reliable leak, nothing wrong with that. Just trying to make everyone understand the core evidence and theories surrounding an AOE.

Sagenaker11 said:
my brother from another mother, they just released 100 cam video which shows ch 138. RIP, aoe hopechad, I will remember you when ending happens

WillofFire700 said:
Hey everyone, with Part 3 getting closer, I just wanted to make this post to clear up any confusion about an AOE because I’m seeing a lot of people who are misinterpreting some things. If you don’t care about an AOE or if you are so close-minded that you can’t even open up your mind to the possibility of an AOE happening, then that’s cool just ignore the post. However, if you have the time and willingness to listen to what I have to say without immediate skepticism, then please continue reading. Mods please don’t remove this as I’m trying to provide legitimate insight and have a respectful discussion. Also if you’re an anime-only, I will let you know when you should probably stop reading.

So first off yes I am an AOE believer and yes an AOE will most likely happen. Right now I am 99% sure of that, but like in life I always leave a 1% chance, since anything is possible. AOE stands for anime original ending, but there are a couple things that you guys must understand. An AOE is NOT happening because of Mappa, it is happening because of Isayama. And it is NOT happening because of criticisms regarding the manga ending or because Isayama regrets the manga ending. It is happening because it has been planned by Isayama for a long time now (not exactly sure how long) and all the seeds have already been planted.

I think the problem why many of you don’t believe in an AOE is because you’ve only seen the terrible theories and the crazy reaches. The problem is that you had to have been there during the early days of AOE theories in 2021 before it became a more popular idea. Because now all the actual good, convincing evidence has for the most part been buried by all the dumb, half-baked theories that now flood the internet. Heck if you just started looking into AOE theories now, then I don’t blame you for not believing since like 95% of what I’m seeing now is just terrible. However, that 5% still exists out there. In this post I will give you that 5% and explain the core root of all AOE theories and then I will give you 3 of the best videos to watch that will catch you up to speed. There are a lot of more great theories out there, but I won’t even get into any of that. I will just give you the basics and leave it at that.  Don’t worry, I will try to make the rest of this post as short as possible.

Caution: If you’re an anime-only I would probably stop here as the rest of this post could be considered MANGA SPOILERS. I have spoiler tagged the heavy spoilers, however with context you could probably still figure out what I am referring to.

Ok so the core root of all AOE theories is that there are 3 main timelines. The 1st timeline is the chapter 138 “dream” sequence where Eren and Mikasa run away to the cabin. Yes, this a memory of a previous timeline. Ackerman’s can’t have their memories manipulated, so that is ruled out. In the official shingeki.net website they even confirm this to be the “Prologue”. Don’t believe me, look for yourself: https://shingeki.net/#/story . Scroll down to where you see the 01. Next to that reads “Prologue” and in the background you can see the panel from the chapter 138 “dream” sequence. Eren
during that cabin sequence and wakes up peacefully in chapter 1, which then begins the start of the 2nd timeline which is the manga story.

So now we’ve established that the manga is the 2nd timeline. In chapter 138, after the cabin sequence ends,
He then wakes up in episode 1 of the anime almost like he had a nightmare
and thus begins the 3rd timeline, the anime.

So there’s the basis of the 3 timeline theory. AOT actually has way more than 3 timelines, but these are the 3 main ones. Isayama already said that the School Castes with Nerdarmin and Gothkasa was canon and linked to the main story. He drew them during the shards page in chapter 120 and they were also animated during episode 78, “Two Brothers”. School Castes is just one of many more timelines. Paths is just another word for timelines. And all those timelines intersect at the coordinate.

Ok, so now that you understand all of that, AOE theories should make a lot more sense to you. There is so much more content I could cover, but this post is already long enough. Here is a youtube channel with 3 excellent videos that provide more context and evidence to the 3 timeline theory which as I stated is the core of everything surrounding AOE. If I was able to intrigue you even a little bit, then I highly suggest you watch all 3 videos in order starting with the oldest one. The videos move pretty fast so feel free to slow down the speed.

Romantic Comedy Enjoyer: https://www.youtube.com/@romanticcomedyenjoyer8021/videos

Note: Also keep in mind that an AOE does not necessarily add content to the manga’s runtime, but rather replaces content. I’ve seen people who think that an AOE is dead since we might be getting only 2 hours of content in Part 3. An AOE can realistically cover the same amount of runtime equivalent to chapters 131-139 of the manga, since it is for the most part replacing the content in those chapters with an alternative route and alternative events. 9 chapters left to adapt, 2 hours is roughly 6 episodes. 9 / 6 = 1.5 chapters an episode which is completely normal regardless if we have an AOE or not.

Welp that’s the end of my post. If you were able to read everything, then I very much appreciate it. Feel free to ask me any questions you have about an AOE and I will try to answer every single one.

Modernoir said:
It's honestly been fucking hilarious watching people who for years never understood the ending and couldn't come to terms with their "literally me sigma male" MC actually being human instead of some 1-dimensional "badass" spend so much time milking the idea that they'll go the anime original route when the producers have stated NUMEROUS times they plan to adapt the story in FULL. Also the Japanese actually responded very warmly to the ending.

You are the vocal minority.

There is not going to be an anime-original ending.

Either get over the ending or re-read the story and realise the ending was foreshadowed to the fucking letter from the very beginning.

This cope is so embarrassing, get over yourselves. They're not going to force your edgy shitty fanfic to be canon just because a vocal minority of Yeagerist retards threw tantrums over their fascist pro-genocide fantasy not being a reality. At best they will adapt the whole manga and extend the ending to be better-paced, which is the only real big flaw of the ending to begin with. I'm really gonna savour seeing the AoE/Yeagerist cult lose it when the anime adapts the same ending and it isn't hated upon by the majority the same way animeonlys actually loved Gabi and the Alliance.

In other words COPE!

Also I'm glad you got your post out properly this time lol.

Jun_Rei said:
Also, I'm actually surprised when you said "anime onlies actually liked Gabi and the Alliance." I'm aware that the manga readers tend to have different opinions than the anime onlies but I didn't think it was that specific.

wahyurpl said:
confim, from 100 cam mappa will be fix eren dream episode 1 session 1 with eren die in manga chapter 138,

like manga start with dream eren  cabin timeline

and anime wiil be dream ending manga timeline

that image cut 004 mean start cour 1

WillofFire700 said:
Thank you for stating that. People in this thread are still not making the attempt to understand.

jaunis said:
AOE is still a thing? I thought after the coat scene fiasco it would finally end. I guess people will keep overanalyzing a pretty simple story until the very end then.

Khalil04 said:

So you are going to ignore the official statements from the voice actors & the director that says the anime will adapt the entire work faithfully and the 100Cam which showed actual footages from Ch 138, but you'll stick with these half evidences (I'll say that but they're not even actual arguments to be begin with lol)
Sorry but this is just clowning at this point, and not mention that half of the initial conditions for AOE didn't happen at all, the most famous one being Mikasa's answer not changing in ep 87 which is supposed to be a huge condition lmao
And before you say you're not going to explain yourself again, or that you don't like what Eren did, I'm here to remind you that AOE will be the worst possible outcome for the moral standards that AOT stands for
Wether you you support the full genocide or not, it's undeniable how bad this will be
Actually if you really are not okay with his actions, then it'll be questionable how you're defending AOE with all your might lol

WillofFire700 said:
Ok looks like I'll do a little more explaining again. First off AOE is supposed to be a secret as it's the final plot twist. The voice actors/directors will never come out and say its happening as they do not want to spoil it. However, the sound director literally brought it up at an AOT event last year. You can watch the clip here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa6ncT0v214
If AOE is 100% not happening, then there is no reason to bring it up. You can even see how the voice actors start getting nervous and try to hurriedly brush it off as if they are attempting to cover it up.

Next thing. The 100 cam footage from chapter 138 is the 4th cut of the episode as shown by "004" at the top. And yes this has already been proven and fact checked by looking at 100 cam footage from Dorohedoro (a different Mappa anime) that follows the same trend with the cut at the top. Meaning it will literally happen in the beginning of the episode probably as part of Eren's dream sequence. We know Mappa is reanimating the dream sequence from episode 1 from the teaser we got in January. Just like in chapter 1 of the manga, how Eren's dream sequence contained his death and the "see you later" scene from the previous timeline(cabin), the dream in the anime will contain his death in the previous timeline(manga). The beginning of the episode on Friday will start with Mikasa killing Eren and Eren waking up under the tree. The act of him waking up will be the exact same way it was in episode 1 of the anime. Except this time we will see the full extent of the nightmare he had before he woke up (which is Mikasa killing him in the manga timeline)

Mikasa's answer changing was just a prediction that a lot of people had. That was never a concrete absolute that had to happen. As I said, since the idea of AOE got more popular, you guys have been exposed to a lot of the bad/average theories. Mikasa's answer changing was one of those, but that was never the end all, be all and that was never one of the core ideas behind AOE.

AOE is not the worst possible outcome and actually works really well for the story, but I won't even explain why because that will take us too deep into an analysis of the themes and that's not what this post is about.

And as I said before somewhere in this thread, I obviously don't support genocide. Just because I believe AOE is going to happen, doesn't mean I support genocide or Eren's actions. I won't even get into my personal opinions and thoughts on the story and it's themes because again that is not what this thread is about.

wahyurpl said:
new op (kv and lyrics) , mikasa will die, what ever rumbling completed or not

Adnash said:

Vocal minority of edgy and immature manga readers was first to rant about Gabi without even trying to put themselves in her shoes. Sane readers were mostly either neutral towards Gabi, or just managed to understand her actions. Same with the Alliance.

The reason why said group of manga readers hated Gabi was simply because of their waifu getting killed by Gabi. As simple as that. Hate towards the Alliance was also motivated, from what I noticed, by sudden rise of Eren's popularity, once he became portrayed as "based chad". So anyone going against some folks' husbando had to be criticized as hell, lol.

Given how popular the series is, vocal minority I mentioned earlier had actually consisted of a lot of people active on the Internet. That's how a stereotype of Attack on Titan fan, being an edgy and salty elitist, was born. I dare to say that anime only part of the fandom carries good vibes and chilled, rational discusisons about the franchise. Actual conversations not based on fighting headcanons, barking at each other, or talking only for the sake of "winning the discussion" (instead of just sharing your thoughts).

About the post you have quoted, I agree. @Modernoir summed up the whole phenomena of anime original ending copers really well. Somebody could say that the post itself was too harshly worded, but not really, compared to how toxic copers mentioned in it can be towards pretty much everyone having slightly different point of view than them.

Jun_Rei said:

I couldn't have said this better myself.

Also, I'm actually surprised when you said "anime onlies actually liked Gabi and the Alliance." I'm aware that the manga readers tend to have different opinions than the anime onlies but I didn't think it was that specific.

Ironically, I myself actually like Gabi and the Alliance despite having finished the manga before starting the final season of the anime.

Confused_100 said:
I don’t know how you think it’s vocal minority when sales and ratings dropped after that but okay, whatever makes you sleep better i guess

Adnash said:

Common misconception and myth repeated by Attack on Titan haters (or specifically, its ending haters). Sales of physical copies didn't drop. https://mobile.twitter.com/Josu_ke/status/1423753493333090309 As for digital copies, I'm too lazy to search for data, but I guess that chart is enough.

Ratings? I don't think that Japanese or non-Japanese publishers care about mentally ill manchildren massively downvoting a comic when it sells well and there are not many complaints. Most of them didn't even spend a penny on it, anyway.

And I sleep well at night, thanks.

Confused_100 said:

This doesn’t even show what you said at all. It shows manga sales circulation. You thought you were talking with someone who doesn’t work in analysis. See how the sales dropped after volume 18 and 23? Guess what volume 23 is. Yes the final season. The sales did drop after the ending, it’s not a “myth”. You want to believe that, it’s your thing. Facts are facts though. And you could have gotten data like you got this one.

Sagenaker11 said:
lol aot was in top 5 manga sales of 2021, I don't know what you're talking about. The final season indeed boosted manga sales. Final season wasn't even started when volume 23 was finished.

Confused_100 said:

Yes my point exactly. Sales are better at Volume 23 compared to last Volume. And i just edited this in because i had to be sure, every manga released had its last volume sell better and almost reach peak sales it reached before. Attack on Titan final volume couldn’t even reach the half of that peak even with anime helping it.

And it’s good of you to say it sold top 5 in 2021. How about 2022? Where was it? The anime is still running, sales should be going higher if the ending was universally well received and anime was great in 2022. Should be AOTY even. And as the chart shows; the 4th week of final volume was one of the worst. First week sales were so good, then dropped hard afterwards. The guy who sent the chart, didn’t even know what it represented. It just proved that sales did drop after first week in a large amount compared to other volumes.

WillofFire700 said:

I'm not really going to explain myself anymore. Just excited to watch the anime already.