Attack on Titan
| Hey everyone, with Part 3 getting closer, I just wanted to make this post to clear up any confusion about an AOE because I’m seeing a lot of people who are misinterpreting some things. If you don’t care about an AOE or if you are so close-minded that you can’t even open up your mind to the possibility of an AOE happening, then that’s cool just ignore the post. However, if you have the time and willingness to listen to what I have to say without immediate skepticism, then please continue reading. Mods please don’t remove this as I’m trying to provide legitimate insight and have a respectful discussion. Also if you’re an anime-only, I will let you know when you should probably stop reading. So first off yes I am an AOE believer and yes an AOE will most likely happen. Right now I am 99% sure of that, but like in life I always leave a 1% chance, since anything is possible. AOE stands for anime original ending, but there are a couple things that you guys must understand. An AOE is NOT happening because of Mappa, it is happening because of Isayama. And it is NOT happening because of criticisms regarding the manga ending or because Isayama regrets the manga ending. It is happening because it has been planned by Isayama for a long time now (not exactly sure how long) and all the seeds have already been planted. I think the problem why many of you don’t believe in an AOE is because you’ve only seen the terrible theories and the crazy reaches. The problem is that you had to have been there during the early days of AOE theories in 2021 before it became a more popular idea. Because now all the actual good, convincing evidence has for the most part been buried by all the dumb, half-baked theories that now flood the internet. Heck if you just started looking into AOE theories now, then I don’t blame you for not believing since like 95% of what I’m seeing now is just terrible. However, that 5% still exists out there. In this post I will give you that 5% and explain the core root of all AOE theories and then I will give you 3 of the best videos to watch that will catch you up to speed. There are a lot of more great theories out there, but I won’t even get into any of that. I will just give you the basics and leave it at that. Don’t worry, I will try to make the rest of this post as short as possible. Caution: If you’re an anime-only I would probably stop here as the rest of this post could be considered MANGA SPOILERS. I have spoiler tagged the heavy spoilers, however with context you could probably still figure out what I am referring to. Ok so the core root of all AOE theories is that there are 3 main timelines. The 1st timeline is the chapter 138 “dream” sequence where Eren and Mikasa run away to the cabin. Yes, this a memory of a previous timeline. Ackerman’s can’t have their memories manipulated, so that is ruled out. In the official shingeki.net website they even confirm this to be the “Prologue”. Don’t believe me, look for yourself: https://shingeki.net/#/story . Scroll down to where you see the 01. Next to that reads “Prologue” and in the background you can see the panel from the chapter 138 “dream” sequence. Eren during that cabin sequence and wakes up peacefully in chapter 1, which then begins the start of the 2nd timeline which is the manga story. So now we’ve established that the manga is the 2nd timeline. In chapter 138, after the cabin sequence ends, He then wakes up in episode 1 of the anime almost like he had a nightmare and thus begins the 3rd timeline, the anime. So there’s the basis of the 3 timeline theory. AOT actually has way more than 3 timelines, but these are the 3 main ones. Isayama already said that the School Castes with Nerdarmin and Gothkasa was canon and linked to the main story. He drew them during the shards page in chapter 120 and they were also animated during episode 78, “Two Brothers”. School Castes is just one of many more timelines. Paths is just another word for timelines. And all those timelines intersect at the coordinate. Ok, so now that you understand all of that, AOE theories should make a lot more sense to you. There is so much more content I could cover, but this post is already long enough. Here is a youtube channel with 3 excellent videos that provide more context and evidence to the 3 timeline theory which as I stated is the core of everything surrounding AOE. If I was able to intrigue you even a little bit, then I highly suggest you watch all 3 videos in order starting with the oldest one. The videos move pretty fast so feel free to slow down the speed. Romantic Comedy Enjoyer: https://www.youtube.com/@romanticcomedyenjoyer8021/videos Note: Also keep in mind that an AOE does not necessarily add content to the manga’s runtime, but rather replaces content. I’ve seen people who think that an AOE is dead since we might be getting only 2 hours of content in Part 3. An AOE can realistically cover the same amount of runtime equivalent to chapters 131-139 of the manga, since it is for the most part replacing the content in those chapters with an alternative route and alternative events. 9 chapters left to adapt, 2 hours is roughly 6 episodes. 9 / 6 = 1.5 chapters an episode which is completely normal regardless if we have an AOE or not. Welp that’s the end of my post. If you were able to read everything, then I very much appreciate it. Feel free to ask me any questions you have about an AOE and I will try to answer every single one. |
| I saw some ANR theories a while ago and some of them made sense that time, but now, idk. They should have cut out scenes from the latest season, to make sense. So now, I don't think that the most famous AOE theory would make sense, how they build up the story and didn't made any changes. (Idk about other AOE theories beside that one, that's why I said ANR, but most fans mean that by AOE.) Also, weren't a discussion about this by Isayama himself, that they are not planning to change the end? Maybe in an anime con in France or idk, I am not sure, but someone made a thread about it with links. I think the "fandom" sh.tting on him because how he ended the manga also added upon that he wasn't "satisfied" with the ending. He kept saying sorry, he was literally apologising before going to the USA anime event, because he knew how controversal the ending was. No mangaka should do that, it's their own story, however they think they will end it, they should end it that way, it's not the fan's story but his. I am not saying I don't believe in different timelines, I do, but if they really would change the ending, they should have made some changes by now in the anime's story already, to make sense, and by changes, I don't mean that kid Mikasa's scarf is black in the opening. The only two thing I know that wasn't in the manga is both related to Falco, but if that means something and not just an Easter egg, that is another ending either, not the ANR one. I think it would be the most hilarious and savage move from Isayama if That would be the most wildest plottwist and I could imagine that, after the staff names or something lol. |
_Kitsuchi_Feb 9, 2023 12:08 PM
Modernoir said: Bro... I literally don't care about any of the things you just said. You clearly did not even read the first paragraph of the post and don't even understand what I'm trying to say. You've had two chances to ignore the post by now since you already responded on the last one that got created by mistake. I'm trying to keep things in this thread respectful and inclusive, but you already ruined that. Again, I don't give a crap about any of the stuff you said, I'm just analyzing evidence and presenting information. It's as simple as that.It's honestly been fucking hilarious watching people who for years never understood the ending and couldn't come to terms with their "literally me sigma male" MC actually being human instead of some 1-dimensional "badass" spend so much time milking the idea that they'll go the anime original route when the producers have stated NUMEROUS times they plan to adapt the story in FULL. Also the Japanese actually responded very warmly to the ending. You are the vocal minority. There is not going to be an anime-original ending. Either get over the ending or re-read the story and realise the ending was foreshadowed to the fucking letter from the very beginning. This cope is so embarrassing, get over yourselves. They're not going to force your edgy shitty fanfic to be canon just because a vocal minority of Yeagerist retards threw tantrums over their fascist pro-genocide fantasy not being a reality. At best they will adapt the whole manga and extend the ending to be better-paced, which is the only real big flaw of the ending to begin with. I'm really gonna savour seeing the AoE/Yeagerist cult lose it when the anime adapts the same ending and it isn't hated upon by the majority the same way animeonlys actually loved Gabi and the Alliance. In other words COPE! Also I'm glad you got your post out properly this time lol. |
_Kitsuchi_ said: There are a lot of changes in the anime already. Some minor and some more significant. Remember these timelines (manga and anime) are supposed to be similar for the most part with some subtle changes. Major changes won't happen until the ending which we will get during Part 3. The youtube link I shared has 3 videos that do a good job explaining this, but if you just want to see more of the subtle differences, then watch their first video when you have the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-1g3c8YpacI saw some ANR theories a while ago and some of them made sense that time, but now, idk. They should have cut out scenes from the latest season, to make sense. So now, I don't think that the most famous AOE theory would make sense, how they build up the story and didn't made any changes. (Idk about other AOE theories beside that one, that's why I said ANR, but most fans mean that by AOE.) Also, weren't a discussion about this by Isayama himself, that they are not planning to change the end? Maybe in an anime con in France or idk, I am not sure, but someone made a thread about it with links. I think the "fandom" sh.tting on him because how he ended the manga also added upon that he wasn't "satisfied" with the ending. He kept saying sorry, he was literally apologising before going to the USA anime event, because he knew how controversal the ending was. No mangaka should do that, it's their own story, however they think they will end it, they should end it that way, it's not the fan's story but his. I am not saying I don't believe in different timelines, I do, but if they really would change the ending, they should have made some changes by now in the anime's story already, to make sense, and by changes, I don't mean that kid Mikasa's scarf is black in the opening. The only two thing I know that wasn't in the manga is both related to Falco, but if that means something and not just an Easter egg, that is another ending either, not the ANR one. I think it would be the most hilarious and savage move from Isayama if That would be the most wildest plottwist and I could imagine that, after the staff names or something lol. |
Badguy_oncel said: WillofFire700 said: hey man aoe is not gonna happen for a single reason that is time restraint.Hey everyone, with Part 3 getting closer, I just wanted to make this post to clear up any confusion about an AOE because I’m seeing a lot of people who are misinterpreting some things. If you don’t care about an AOE or if you are so close-minded that you can’t even open up your mind to the possibility of an AOE happening, then that’s cool just ignore the post. However, if you have the time and willingness to listen to what I have to say without immediate skepticism, then please continue reading. Mods please don’t remove this as I’m trying to provide legitimate insight and have a respectful discussion. Also if you’re an anime-only, I will let you know when you should probably stop reading. So first off yes I am an AOE believer and yes an AOE will most likely happen. Right now I am 99% sure of that, but like in life I always leave a 1% chance, since anything is possible. AOE stands for anime original ending, but there are a couple things that you guys must understand. An AOE is NOT happening because of Mappa, it is happening because of Isayama. And it is NOT happening because of criticisms regarding the manga ending or because Isayama regrets the manga ending. It is happening because it has been planned by Isayama for a long time now (not exactly sure how long) and all the seeds have already been planted. I think the problem why many of you don’t believe in an AOE is because you’ve only seen the terrible theories and the crazy reaches. The problem is that you had to have been there during the early days of AOE theories in 2021 before it became a more popular idea. Because now all the actual good, convincing evidence has for the most part been buried by all the dumb, half-baked theories that now flood the internet. Heck if you just started looking into AOE theories now, then I don’t blame you for not believing since like 95% of what I’m seeing now is just terrible. However, that 5% still exists out there. In this post I will give you that 5% and explain the core root of all AOE theories and then I will give you 3 of the best videos to watch that will catch you up to speed. There are a lot of more great theories out there, but I won’t even get into any of that. I will just give you the basics and leave it at that. Don’t worry, I will try to make the rest of this post as short as possible. Caution: If you’re an anime-only I would probably stop here as the rest of this post could be considered MANGA SPOILERS. I have spoiler tagged the heavy spoilers, however with context you could probably still figure out what I am referring to. Ok so the core root of all AOE theories is that there are 3 main timelines. The 1st timeline is the chapter 138 “dream” sequence where Eren and Mikasa run away to the cabin. Yes, this a memory of a previous timeline. Ackerman’s can’t have their memories manipulated, so that is ruled out. In the official shingeki.net website they even confirm this to be the “Prologue”. Don’t believe me, look for yourself: https://shingeki.net/#/story . Scroll down to where you see the 01. Next to that reads “Prologue” and in the background you can see the panel from the chapter 138 “dream” sequence. Eren during that cabin sequence and wakes up peacefully in chapter 1, which then begins the start of the 2nd timeline which is the manga story. So now we’ve established that the manga is the 2nd timeline. In chapter 138, after the cabin sequence ends, He then wakes up in episode 1 of the anime almost like he had a nightmare and thus begins the 3rd timeline, the anime. So there’s the basis of the 3 timeline theory. AOT actually has way more than 3 timelines, but these are the 3 main ones. Isayama already said that the School Castes with Nerdarmin and Gothkasa was canon and linked to the main story. He drew them during the shards page in chapter 120 and they were also animated during episode 78, “Two Brothers”. School Castes is just one of many more timelines. Paths is just another word for timelines. And all those timelines intersect at the coordinate. Ok, so now that you understand all of that, AOE theories should make a lot more sense to you. There is so much more content I could cover, but this post is already long enough. Here is a youtube channel with 3 excellent videos that provide more context and evidence to the 3 timeline theory which as I stated is the core of everything surrounding AOE. If I was able to intrigue you even a little bit, then I highly suggest you watch all 3 videos in order starting with the oldest one. The videos move pretty fast so feel free to slow down the speed. Romantic Comedy Enjoyer: https://www.youtube.com/@romanticcomedyenjoyer8021/videos Note: Also keep in mind that an AOE does not necessarily add content to the manga’s runtime, but rather replaces content. I’ve seen people who think that an AOE is dead since we might be getting only 2 hours of content in Part 3. An AOE can realistically cover the same amount of runtime equivalent to chapters 131-139 of the manga, since it is for the most part replacing the content in those chapters with an alternative route and alternative events. 9 chapters left to adapt, 2 hours is roughly 6 episodes. 9 / 6 = 1.5 chapters an episode which is completely normal regardless if we have an AOE or not. Welp that’s the end of my post. If you were able to read everything, then I very much appreciate it. Feel free to ask me any questions you have about an AOE and I will try to answer every single one. 1st ep is gonna be 1hr which potentially covers upto ch 134 and 2nd episode will be most likely 1.5hr adapting remaining chs. With special episode you dont have enough time to expand/ change ending. Besides most of the aoe theories can be discarded as artistic choice and in ep 1 case wit didnt know the importance of that scene With all due respect, please read/re-read my entire post. As I stated in my original post: "Note: Also keep in mind that an AOE does not necessarily add content to the manga’s runtime, but rather replaces content. I’ve seen people who think that an AOE is dead since we might be getting only 2 hours of content in Part 3. An AOE can realistically cover the same amount of runtime equivalent to chapters 131-139 of the manga, since it is for the most part replacing the content in those chapters with an alternative route and alternative events. 9 chapters left to adapt, 2 hours is roughly 6 episodes. 9 / 6 = 1.5 chapters an episode which is completely normal regardless if we have an AOE or not." And again there is no such thing as expanding or changing the ending. As I already said, this ending has been planned for a long time and the seeds have already been planted in the story. The manga is still canon and the anime will be canon as well. They are just two different timelines. Also if you really care about this discussion, then watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-1g3c8Ypac This is not just an "artistic choice" |
WillofFire700Feb 9, 2023 6:02 PM
hercules28 said: I can see the anime having more context on the ending but can't see actual re write. As I said already, this ending has been planned for a long time and the seeds have already been planted in the story. The manga is still canon and the anime will be canon as well. They are just two different timelines. |
Badguy_oncel said: WillofFire700 said: one of the main problem with manga ending is the pacing, it was rushed as fuck. Even if they change volume 34, unless its 2hrs long I dont think it will make any sense. Besides in the recent interview, it feels like isayama has no intention to change the ending and the recent illustration cover proves my point.With all due respect, please read/re-read my entire post. As I stated in my original post: "Note: Also keep in mind that an AOE does not necessarily add content to the manga’s runtime, but rather replaces content. I’ve seen people who think that an AOE is dead since we might be getting only 2 hours of content in Part 3. An AOE can realistically cover the same amount of runtime equivalent to chapters 131-139 of the manga, since it is for the most part replacing the content in those chapters with an alternative route and alternative events. 9 chapters left to adapt, 2 hours is roughly 6 episodes. 9 / 6 = 1.5 chapters an episode which is completely normal regardless if we have an AOE or not." And again there is no such thing as expanding or changing the ending. As I already said, this ending has been planned for a long time and the seeds have already been planted in the story. The manga is still canon and the anime will be canon as well. They are just two different timelines. Also if you really care about this discussion, then watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-1g3c8Ypac This is not just an "artistic choice" This video is the best aoe video out there check it out Hey I'm not denying your theories but unless there's any reliable leak I dont buy it Cool, you've made some fair points. And I've seen that video already, very good. I just didn't recommend it since it's over an hour long. Also I would say it's not reliable to trust what Isayama says at this point as he obviously won't reveal an AOE in an interview. But I understand what you mean by needing a reliable leak, nothing wrong with that. Just trying to make everyone understand the core evidence and theories surrounding an AOE. |
| Attack on Titan has always been trash from beginning to end No amount of fanfics can fix the show It's ABYSS FICTION |
| If you want to reply to my posts, come up with valid arguments instead of ad hominem HIGHER LEVEL THINKERS ONLY |
| While I still wonder, how and if Mappa even adds the dream scene in the anime (since the prologue dream scene got removed by Wit for ???? reason), i don't believe there is any way that they do an aoe lol |
| 死だけが確実 |
| my theory is different - mikasa creates another timeline when eren dies - all timelines are the same except for some small things (red scarf instead of black etc) - mikasa sees the timelines when eren is close to dying because she doesn't wanna, then she loops - the only way that eren can see timelines memories is because the Founder memorizes everything and all memories went to the Coordinate but he doesn't know that those are timelines - cabin dream, manga ending, anime timeline and school castes timeline aren't linear as in the anime doesn't follow the manga, all happen in the same time so to say because that's how different timelines work - it's even possible that Requiem already happened but eren looped again after he died - the whole point of this work is to fix eren-mikasa relationship, she needs to get over his death somehow but mikasa keeps her scarf even in death as seen in the manga ending I don't know what the hell will it happen but we just need something between them 2, that's it, we only need for mikasa to stop looping, I know it sounds confusing but these are my findings mostly because "See you later, Eren" makes no sense in a linear timeline, there's no way that eren got that line from the cabin timeline because that happened in a different dimension than the manga. It would have been logical if mikasa said that to eren after she cut of his head but no, she says nothing. The fact that eren remembers that timeline makes the 3 linear timelines theory impossible. Basically the Coordinate remembers all and converges all memories and eren can access it only when he makes contact with a royal blood titan, that's why he's confused all the time and can't think up a good plan or does he remember the overall conflict with mikasa. another thing, the anime tells us different timelines happen in the same time, look at episode 1 when dina eats carla, the look at episode 87, long story short: - ep1 - dina grabs carla with left hand, eats her with right hand - ch1 - dina grabs carla with right hand, eats her with right hand - ep 87 - dina eats carla with left hand (continuing the anime episode timeline) - chapter 130 - dina eats carla with right hand as you can see, too many stuff to be just mistakes, anyways, it doesn't matter what ending we'll get, what it matters is mikasa accepting eren's departure/death/whatever I have more proof but this is the gist of it |
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| @Modernoir Preach Sir. It pisses me off how many people support Eren when he is meant to be a VERY morally dark grey character. People who agree with his actions are Edgelords who do not realize that this is a parallel to WW2 and the Israeli wars. |
| REGULAR SHOW TROUNCES ANY ANIME. PEAK FICTION We protect other species because humans themselves are lonely creatures. We protect the environment because humans themselves don’t want to go extinct. What drives us is simply self-gratification. But I think that’s fine, and that it’s really all there is to it. There’s no point in despising humans by human standards. That’s right. So in the end, it’s hypocritical for us to love Earth without loving ourselves. |
| @WillofFire700 I think you have a very well written post; having said that, I really hope that they do not let Eren live no matter what. He is a genocidal racist fuck who deserves to be stopped. Hailing him as a hero would be some of the most Facist promoting media I have seen in the mainstream for a long while. |
| REGULAR SHOW TROUNCES ANY ANIME. PEAK FICTION We protect other species because humans themselves are lonely creatures. We protect the environment because humans themselves don’t want to go extinct. What drives us is simply self-gratification. But I think that’s fine, and that it’s really all there is to it. There’s no point in despising humans by human standards. That’s right. So in the end, it’s hypocritical for us to love Earth without loving ourselves. |
Catalano said: my theory is different - mikasa creates another timeline when eren dies - all timelines are the same except for some small things (red scarf instead of black etc) - mikasa sees the timelines when eren is close to dying because she doesn't wanna, then she loops - the only way that eren can see timelines memories is because the Founder memorizes everything and all memories went to the Coordinate but he doesn't know that those are timelines - cabin dream, manga ending, anime timeline and school castes timeline aren't linear as in the anime doesn't follow the manga, all happen in the same time so to say because that's how different timelines work - it's even possible that Requiem already happened but eren looped again after he died - the whole point of this work is to fix eren-mikasa relationship, she needs to get over his death somehow but mikasa keeps her scarf even in death as seen in the manga ending I don't know what the hell will it happen but we just need something between them 2, that's it, we only need for mikasa to stop looping, I know it sounds confusing but these are my findings mostly because "See you later, Eren" makes no sense in a linear timeline, there's no way that eren got that line from the cabin timeline because that happened in a different dimension than the manga. It would have been logical if mikasa said that to eren after she cut of his head but no, she says nothing. The fact that eren remembers that timeline makes the 3 linear timelines theory impossible. Basically the Coordinate remembers all and converges all memories and eren can access it only when he makes contact with a royal blood titan, that's why he's confused all the time and can't think up a good plan or does he remember the overall conflict with mikasa. another thing, the anime tells us different timelines happen in the same time, look at episode 1 when dina eats carla, the look at episode 87, long story short: - ep1 - dina grabs carla with left hand, eats her with right hand - ch1 - dina grabs carla with right hand, eats her with right hand - ep 87 - dina eats carla with left hand (continuing the anime episode timeline) - chapter 130 - dina eats carla with right hand as you can see, too many stuff to be just mistakes, anyways, it doesn't matter what ending we'll get, what it matters is mikasa accepting eren's departure/death/whatever I have more proof but this is the gist of it Really excellent points. What you're saying is plausible, but the reason the 3 timeline theory works is because Paths Eren who has access to all timelines, sends memories to the different timelines through the use of birds. The evidence for this is substantial, but since it's so much, I won't even get into it. So the "see you later" scene in chapter 1 of the manga was a memory from the cabin timeline sent by the Eren in paths. And yes all the timelines are happening at the same time, my point is that new timelines are created because of events from other timelines. Such as the anime timeline being created, because of the events of the manga timeline. Also very good points about Mikasa. Many of us believe Mikasa is creating the timelines. The reason being is because in Season 2 episode 12, when Eren tells Mikasa he will "wrap that scarf around her for as many times as she wants" he activates the coordinate pretty much at the same time when he touches the Smile Titan. That act creates a vow that in a way transcends time and yes the vow is strong enough to do this when considering how powerful the Founder has shown to be in the story. Even King Fritz's vow renouncing war was so powerful that multiple generations of the royal family couldn't resist it, spanning 100 years. As long as Eren keeps dying and he's not around to fulfill Mikasa's wish and his vow of wrapping that scarf around her, new timelines will be created. In the anime, many believe Mikasa will become aware of this somehow and willingly give up her life to put an end to the cycle. Because even Mikasa knows in her heart that as long as she is alive, she will never stop loving Eren. And yeah I am aware of the changes concerning the way Dina eats Carla. There are so much changes like that between the anime and manga, especially in S4 P2. Subtle enough to not be too obvious, but still significant enough to imply something. |
ForgedSteel said: @WillofFire700 I think you have a very well written post; having said that, I really hope that they do not let Eren live no matter what. He is a genocidal racist fuck who deserves to be stopped. Hailing him as a hero would be some of the most Facist promoting media I have seen in the mainstream for a long while. Yeah don't get me wrong, I don't support Eren's actions either. However, if we just look at all the evidence, it does look like he will survive. But the story will 100% NOT portray him as some kind of hero. In fact he will most likely live the rest of his live in guilt, depression, and will never actually experience the freedom he thought he was fighting for. He will be a completely broken human being. |
| Will be following this thread to see reactions once the final episode is out. Looking forward to it. |
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I_Am_Freeballing said: Will be following this thread to see reactions once the final episode is out. Looking forward to it. JJ_jose said: I_Am_Freeballing said: same, I'm awaiting the shitstorm to come so I'm just gonna lurk when that time comesWill be following this thread to see reactions once the final episode is out. Looking forward to it. This thread has a mix of reactions. So in regards to the shitstorm, I am not sure if you guys are implying there will be disappointment (from no AOE), shock (if AOE happens) or do you guys just not care which reaction it is as long as there's a shitstorm. |
WillofFire700 said: I_Am_Freeballing said: Will be following this thread to see reactions once the final episode is out. Looking forward to it. JJ_jose said: same, I'm awaiting the shitstorm to come so I'm just gonna lurk when that time comes This thread has a mix of reactions. So in regards to the shitstorm, I am not sure if you guys are implying there will be disappointment (from no AOE), shock (if AOE happens) or do you guys just not care which reaction it is as long as there's a shitstorm. There are going to be two reactions: 1. Disappointment (from no AOE) 2. Laughing at people with 1. reaction |
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I_Am_Freeballing said: WillofFire700 said: This thread has a mix of reactions. So in regards to the shitstorm, I am not sure if you guys are implying there will be disappointment (from no AOE), shock (if AOE happens) or do you guys just not care which reaction it is as long as there's a shitstorm. There are going to be two reactions: 1. Disappointment (from no AOE) 2. Laughing at people with 1. reaction Lol man you guys are hilarious. You've spent years reading/watching AOT and experiencing all the crazy plot twists/reveals that Isayama wrote, while crafting theories, reading theories, seeing those theories come to life and admiring all the foreshadowing afterwards. The fact that you know how brilliant Isayama was when it came to his plot and you still can't understand that AOE is sitting right in front of your face it's honestly kinda head-scratching. The thing I find most funny is that while you guys have been able to counter and debunk all the terrible evidence I see nowadays, you still have no answers when you actually get presented with the real evidence. If you read my entire post and watched even at least the first video from the channel I recommended, then I can't help you in opening your mind to new possibilities. If you don't think AOE is happening that's fine. I have no problem with that. I'm not here to turn everyone into a believer. That was never the point of this post. I just wanted people to eat least understand why that belief is as common as it is. It is just very ignorant to deny evidence this obvious. Also I know I kinda just went on a tangent there, but this reply is not just meant for you, but others who are reading this and share your outlook on things. |
JJ_jose said: WillofFire700 said: god stfu you weirdo, I'm just excited to see my favourite series end regardless, and to finally see this shite shut the hell up and die. Anyways, I'm drunk asf, so if you'll excuse me. Or you can join me if you want, idc, this place is a cancerLol man you guys are hilarious. You've spent years reading/watching AOT and experiencing all the crazy plot twists/reveals that Isayama wrote, while crafting theories, reading theories, seeing those theories come to life and admiring all the foreshadowing afterwards. The fact that you know how brilliant Isayama was when it came to his plot and you still can't understand that AOE is sitting right in front of your face it's honestly kinda head-scratching. The thing I find most funny is that while you guys have been able to counter and debunk all the terrible evidence I see nowadays, you still have no answers when you actually get presented with the real evidence. If you read my entire post and watched even at least the first video from the channel I recommended, then I can't help you in opening your mind to new possibilities. If you don't think AOE is happening that's fine. I have no problem with that. I'm not here to turn everyone into a believer. That was never the point of this post. I just wanted people to eat least understand why that belief is as common as it is. It is just very ignorant to deny evidence this obvious. Also I know I kinda just went on a tangent there, but this reply is not just meant for you, but others who are reading this and share your outlook on things. Everyone wants to see this series end already |
JJ_jose said: hey, this is a more sober JJ an hour later... I don't think that was drunk JJs fucking point Then what was his point? AOT is your favorite series? Yeah mine too. MAL is a cancer/toxic site? Yeah I agree. You're drunk? Ok cool. |
WillofFire700Feb 10, 2023 8:45 PM
| Attack on Titan has always been garbage from beginning to end CONSISTENTLY EVERY EPISODE GETS WORSE PROGRESSIVELY Attack on Titan's themes are so puerile, decadent and FACILE that even a children's book has better themes than Attack on Titan No Alternate Ending can solve the flaws of this Radioactive Abomination It's not even bottom of the barrel; it completely breaks the barrel as even the barrel cannot hold the mass of this garbage |
| If you want to reply to my posts, come up with valid arguments instead of ad hominem HIGHER LEVEL THINKERS ONLY |
LeftoverToast said: The thread asked for people who are explosive towards AOE to not engage and the first post was someone explosive towards AOE lmfao Yeah I couldn't believe it when I saw the first post was exactly that. I thought it would take at least a couple more posts before that happened lol |
WillofFire700 said: you make a lot of sense too, hard to find flaws considering the clues and Founder's powerCatalano said: my theory is different - mikasa creates another timeline when eren dies - all timelines are the same except for some small things (red scarf instead of black etc) - mikasa sees the timelines when eren is close to dying because she doesn't wanna, then she loops - the only way that eren can see timelines memories is because the Founder memorizes everything and all memories went to the Coordinate but he doesn't know that those are timelines - cabin dream, manga ending, anime timeline and school castes timeline aren't linear as in the anime doesn't follow the manga, all happen in the same time so to say because that's how different timelines work - it's even possible that Requiem already happened but eren looped again after he died - the whole point of this work is to fix eren-mikasa relationship, she needs to get over his death somehow but mikasa keeps her scarf even in death as seen in the manga ending I don't know what the hell will it happen but we just need something between them 2, that's it, we only need for mikasa to stop looping, I know it sounds confusing but these are my findings mostly because "See you later, Eren" makes no sense in a linear timeline, there's no way that eren got that line from the cabin timeline because that happened in a different dimension than the manga. It would have been logical if mikasa said that to eren after she cut of his head but no, she says nothing. The fact that eren remembers that timeline makes the 3 linear timelines theory impossible. Basically the Coordinate remembers all and converges all memories and eren can access it only when he makes contact with a royal blood titan, that's why he's confused all the time and can't think up a good plan or does he remember the overall conflict with mikasa. another thing, the anime tells us different timelines happen in the same time, look at episode 1 when dina eats carla, the look at episode 87, long story short: - ep1 - dina grabs carla with left hand, eats her with right hand - ch1 - dina grabs carla with right hand, eats her with right hand - ep 87 - dina eats carla with left hand (continuing the anime episode timeline) - chapter 130 - dina eats carla with right hand as you can see, too many stuff to be just mistakes, anyways, it doesn't matter what ending we'll get, what it matters is mikasa accepting eren's departure/death/whatever I have more proof but this is the gist of it Really excellent points. What you're saying is plausible, but the reason the 3 timeline theory works is because Paths Eren who has access to all timelines, sends memories to the different timelines through the use of birds. The evidence for this is substantial, but since it's so much, I won't even get into it. So the "see you later" scene in chapter 1 of the manga was a memory from the cabin timeline sent by the Eren in paths. And yes all the timelines are happening at the same time, my point is that new timelines are created because of events from other timelines. Such as the anime timeline being created, because of the events of the manga timeline. Also very good points about Mikasa. Many of us believe Mikasa is creating the timelines. The reason being is because in Season 2 episode 12, when Eren tells Mikasa he will "wrap that scarf around her for as many times as she wants" he activates the coordinate pretty much at the same time when he touches the Smile Titan. That act creates a vow that in a way transcends time and yes the vow is strong enough to do this when considering how powerful the Founder has shown to be in the story. Even King Fritz's vow renouncing war was so powerful that multiple generations of the royal family couldn't resist it, spanning 100 years. As long as Eren keeps dying and he's not around to fulfill Mikasa's wish and his vow of wrapping that scarf around her, new timelines will be created. In the anime, many believe Mikasa will become aware of this somehow and willingly give up her life to put an end to the cycle. Because even Mikasa knows in her heart that as long as she is alive, she will never stop loving Eren. And yeah I am aware of the changes concerning the way Dina eats Carla. There are so much changes like that between the anime and manga, especially in S4 P2. Subtle enough to not be too obvious, but still significant enough to imply something. I still think we won't be getting a Requiem ending because that's simply eren's Path and I firmly believe it already happened in another timeline and that's not the end result eren has to get because mikasa dying won't fix their problems |
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Catalano said: WillofFire700 said: you make a lot of sense too, hard to find flaws considering the clues and Founder's powerReally excellent points. What you're saying is plausible, but the reason the 3 timeline theory works is because Paths Eren who has access to all timelines, sends memories to the different timelines through the use of birds. The evidence for this is substantial, but since it's so much, I won't even get into it. So the "see you later" scene in chapter 1 of the manga was a memory from the cabin timeline sent by the Eren in paths. And yes all the timelines are happening at the same time, my point is that new timelines are created because of events from other timelines. Such as the anime timeline being created, because of the events of the manga timeline. Also very good points about Mikasa. Many of us believe Mikasa is creating the timelines. The reason being is because in Season 2 episode 12, when Eren tells Mikasa he will "wrap that scarf around her for as many times as she wants" he activates the coordinate pretty much at the same time when he touches the Smile Titan. That act creates a vow that in a way transcends time and yes the vow is strong enough to do this when considering how powerful the Founder has shown to be in the story. Even King Fritz's vow renouncing war was so powerful that multiple generations of the royal family couldn't resist it, spanning 100 years. As long as Eren keeps dying and he's not around to fulfill Mikasa's wish and his vow of wrapping that scarf around her, new timelines will be created. In the anime, many believe Mikasa will become aware of this somehow and willingly give up her life to put an end to the cycle. Because even Mikasa knows in her heart that as long as she is alive, she will never stop loving Eren. And yeah I am aware of the changes concerning the way Dina eats Carla. There are so much changes like that between the anime and manga, especially in S4 P2. Subtle enough to not be too obvious, but still significant enough to imply something. I still think we won't be getting a Requiem ending because that's simply eren's Path and I firmly believe it already happened in another timeline and that's not the end result eren has to get because mikasa dying won't fix their problems Yeah I see where you're coming from with that.The true end result is probably impossible to predict at this point. |
| Listen that 3 timeline theory is preety cool and i would'nt mind having that ending but why would mappa or the director take any risk when they can just adapt the damn manga and go their own ways peacefully without getting death threats from fans as they "disrespected" aot by doing their own thing I want the manga ending so the anime onlies can shut their trap about aot being the greatest Aya-non said: Na bro, the ending is already a thematic perfection. AoT depicts reality of Humanity and Human nature. The aftermath of the rumbling Thematically good ? Yes The way of execution ? Bad It doesn't matter how good the themes of a story are if the presentation of the author is mediocre Modernoir said: Also the Japanese actually responded very warmly to the ending  I dont fucking understand this obsession with the japanese opinions Are their opinions more valuable than the opinions of other humans just cuz they are japanese ? Are they more than humans ? These are the same people who made stone ocean the least popular jojo part just cuz the mc was a female in a shounen manga |
Za_PandaFeb 11, 2023 10:12 AM
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Za_Panda said: Listen that 3 timeline theory is preety cool and i would'nt mind having that ending but why would mappa or the director take any risk when they can just adapt the damn manga and go their own ways peacefully without getting death threats from fans as they "disrespected" aot by doing their own thing I want the manga ending so the anime onlies can shut their trap about aot being the greatest Aya-non said: Na bro, the ending is already a thematic perfection. AoT depicts reality of Humanity and Human nature. The aftermath of the rumbling Thematically good ? Yes The way of execution ? Bad As I said in my post. The 3 timeline theory and AOE has nothing to do with Mappa or the director. It has nothing to do with the backlash from the manga ending. And it has nothing to do with Isayama regretting the way he wrote the manga ending. AOE is happening because Isayama has been planning for it for a long time and it is naturally a apart of the plot for AOT. No one is changing the ending. |
WillofFire700 said: Also very good points about Mikasa. Many of us believe Mikasa is creating the timelines. The reason being is because in Season 2 episode 12, when Eren tells Mikasa he will "wrap that scarf around her for as many times as she wants" he activates the coordinate pretty much at the same time when he touches the Smile Titan. That act creates a vow that in a way transcends time and yes the vow is strong enough to do this when considering how powerful the Founder has shown to be in the story. Dont forget Muv-Luv, in which the heroine girl reveals that she is making the hero boy doing timeloops through her decision to always want to be with him. But in Alternative she finally let him go. I think it's absolutely essential to mention Muv-Luv Alternative when trying to show the possibility of an "AOE", as the AoT settings is currently very similar and Isayama admitted he ripped off MuvLuv while making AoT. |
ShadowUnown said: WillofFire700 said: Also very good points about Mikasa. Many of us believe Mikasa is creating the timelines. The reason being is because in Season 2 episode 12, when Eren tells Mikasa he will "wrap that scarf around her for as many times as she wants" he activates the coordinate pretty much at the same time when he touches the Smile Titan. That act creates a vow that in a way transcends time and yes the vow is strong enough to do this when considering how powerful the Founder has shown to be in the story. Dont forget Muv-Luv, in which the heroine girl reveals that she is making the hero boy doing timeloops through her decision to always want to be with him. But in Alternative she finally let him go. I think it's absolutely essential to mention Muv-Luv Alternative when trying to show the possibility of an "AOE", as the AoT settings is currently very similar and Isayama admitted he ripped off MuvLuv while making AoT. Nice, you definitely get it. Yeah I was going to bring up Muv Luv, but there's just too many parallels, it's overwhelming to list them all. Isayama saying he ripped off Muv Luv is actually the biggest evidence for AOE. Anyone who's played it or even read enough about it would understand why the multiple timeline theory is absolutely what Isayama is currently doing right now. At this point it's just too obvious. All this evidence sitting right in front of everyone's faces and they still don't seem to understand. |
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