Real reason why blu ray sales were low

Feb 10, 2023 6:46 AM

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that honestly sucks tbh

Feb 10, 2023 6:47 AM

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Damn didn't know this, it has actually sense. Thanks :)

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Feb 10, 2023 6:48 AM

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Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

Feb 10, 2023 6:49 AM

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jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

people who have money

Feb 10, 2023 6:49 AM

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jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

Japan they still buy CDs for Music too and they also use Fax Machines still

Feb 10, 2023 6:50 AM

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deg said:

jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

Japan they still buy CDs for Music too and they also use Fax Machines still

Learn something new everyday

Feb 10, 2023 6:50 AM

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Gotta admit, that sounds rough if it’s true.

Out of curiosity op, could you forward any sources that you saw this info from? I’d like to read more about it.

Feb 10, 2023 6:54 AM

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jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

japanese otakus. Thats why studios make tons of garbage isekais every year coz otakus buy it and make it successful

Feb 10, 2023 6:57 AM

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michael_09 said:
csm director did an interview which happened around ep 4 airing. In that interview, he said he didn't like the usual anime troupes and want to make it realistic, cinematic since fujimoto (csm author) is also a movie buff. His statement about "not liking anime troupes" pissed off japansese otakus. From that day onwards, they started cancelling him on twitter & telling mappa to fire him. He also had to disable the reply section of his twitter account that day coz of the toxicity. This proves that this is more of a personal hatred towards director than the "csm anime is bad". Hence not buying the blu ray as a sign of protest.

Lol I also dislike Cringe anime tropes He did the right thing

Feb 10, 2023 7:00 AM

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The thing is, while Fujimoto constructed the mangas panels to create cinematic appeal, that still doesn't mean he wanted CSM to be as close to western media as possible. I think the director of the anime does not understand what Fujimoto is trying to create, at least that's what his statement in the OP leads me to believe.

CSM is a love letter to cinema and anime both. Fujimoto never prioritizes western influence over anime tropes. So to say that the anime followed the vision of the manga is just plain stupid.

I'm not saying the director deserves hate for that, but it just seems like he dug his own grave with that statement.

Feb 10, 2023 7:05 AM

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Cinematic mode in csm was a joke. I never liked the story but the adaption made me dislike it even more, Imagine expecting something big and it turns out to be something that shouldn’t be there in the first place. The director don’t like anime troups then don’t make one, make a movie from it. No wonder Japanese fans are reacting this way.

ABSOLUTE SHAW

Feb 10, 2023 7:08 AM

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Potatobanana said:
Gotta admit, that sounds rough if it’s true.

Out of curiosity op, could you forward any sources that you saw this info from? I’d like to read more about it.

https://epicstream.com/article/chainsaw-man-blu-ray-sales-director-controversy

Feb 10, 2023 7:11 AM

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StaleNut said:
The thing is, while Fujimoto constructed the mangas panels to create cinematic appeal, that still doesn't mean he wanted CSM to be as close to western media as possible. I think the director of the anime does not understand what Fujimoto is trying to create, at least that's what his statement in the OP leads me to believe.

CSM is a love letter to cinema and anime both. Fujimoto never prioritizes western influence over anime tropes. So to say that the anime followed the vision of the manga is just plain stupid.

I'm not saying the director deserves hate for that, but it just seems like he dug his own grave with that statement.

fujimoto himself said in the jump fest interview( dec 2021) that he would prefer to see anime has a different direction compared to manga. Below is the source

https://sekainootomodachi.com/jump/

Feb 10, 2023 7:17 AM

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michael_09 said:

StaleNut said:
The thing is, while Fujimoto constructed the mangas panels to create cinematic appeal, that still doesn't mean he wanted CSM to be as close to western media as possible. I think the director of the anime does not understand what Fujimoto is trying to create, at least that's what his statement in the OP leads me to believe.

CSM is a love letter to cinema and anime both. Fujimoto never prioritizes western influence over anime tropes. So to say that the anime followed the vision of the manga is just plain stupid.

I'm not saying the director deserves hate for that, but it just seems like he dug his own grave with that statement.

fujimoto himself said in the jump fest interview( dec 2021) that he would prefer to see anime has a different direction compared to manga. Below is the source

https://sekainootomodachi.com/jump/

I see. Well it makes sense, the rough art is almost impossible to replicate. Either way, an anime director who says that he doesn't like anime tropes will always spark controversy. And the otakus are the ones who buy blu-rays the most, so it's not hard to see why this statement would affect the sales.

Feb 10, 2023 7:19 AM

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That’s horrible bro the guy doesn’t deserve it the show slapped cuz of him

Feb 10, 2023 7:26 AM

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Rimusimp said:
That’s horrible bro the guy doesn’t deserve it the show slapped cuz of him

If u read the full interview, u can tell how passionate was he about creating csm. He was the one who also suggested to make 12 endings too

Feb 10, 2023 7:35 AM

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chainsaw man viewers try not to make a million threads per day about
-director being jerk
-bluray sales/Bocchi
-twitter level meltdown/opinion
-massive paragraphs of b8

I miss anything?

Feb 10, 2023 7:37 AM

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they are acting like dicks. and the adaptation was really good. i enjoyed it and it was fun to see a different perspective on chainsaw man. it doesn't make the manga obsolete but it still stands on it's own. we should both read and watch CSM because both of them are different and both are good.

Feb 10, 2023 7:53 AM

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It’s because of a VARIETY of factors, saying that there is just one clear reason is oversimplifying everything

Feb 10, 2023 8:09 AM

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michael_09 said:

Rimusimp said:
That’s horrible bro the guy doesn’t deserve it the show slapped cuz of him

If u read the full interview, u can tell how passionate was he about creating csm. He was the one who also suggested to make 12 endings too

What a legend each one slapped and I had so much fun with it

Feb 10, 2023 8:10 AM

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finally someone offers a decent reason and not crying about "its mappas animations fault" 🤡

Feb 10, 2023 8:15 AM

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deg said:

jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

Japan they still buy CDs for Music too and they also use Fax Machines still

What if Japanese people stop to buy CD’s

Feb 10, 2023 8:16 AM

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michael_09 said:

StaleNut said:
The thing is, while Fujimoto constructed the mangas panels to create cinematic appeal, that still doesn't mean he wanted CSM to be as close to western media as possible. I think the director of the anime does not understand what Fujimoto is trying to create, at least that's what his statement in the OP leads me to believe.

CSM is a love letter to cinema and anime both. Fujimoto never prioritizes western influence over anime tropes. So to say that the anime followed the vision of the manga is just plain stupid.

I'm not saying the director deserves hate for that, but it just seems like he dug his own grave with that statement.

fujimoto himself said in the jump fest interview( dec 2021) that he would prefer to see anime has a different direction compared to manga. Below is the source

https://sekainootomodachi.com/jump/

Please send this to all those "chainsaw man fans" who are critising that it wasn't able to get Fujimoto feel. I think they would learn it. Fujimoto's panelling and adapting it into anime is impossible and is ONLY possible in manga form, just like murata's or Miura's art. I think the best way it could be adapted is by this. Also it's really sad that anime got this low just because of this stupidity. Makes me say that anime fans don't deserve new things, just keep giving them mediocre shits....

Feb 10, 2023 8:17 AM

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The real reason why blu ray sales were/are still low is because there's not even 10000 of these gajillion gorillion overseas superfans of the CSM anime willing to buy the BDs from amazon.co.jp. They ship internationally and sales there count too. It's not "worth" the money but that's literally what it means to be a deranged superfan and what BD sales measure.

Feb 10, 2023 8:38 AM

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that’s actually mad. Props to him for pleasing western audiences though, cuz anime troupes can get extremely repetitive 😂

Feb 10, 2023 8:44 AM

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michael_09 said:
csm director did an interview which happened around ep 4 airing. In that interview, he said he didn't like the usual anime troupes and want to make it realistic, cinematic since fujimoto (csm author) is also a movie buff. His statement about "not liking anime troupes" pissed off japansese otakus. From that day onwards, they started cancelling him on twitter & telling mappa to fire him. He also had to disable the reply section of his twitter account that day coz of the toxicity. This proves that this is more of a personal hatred towards director than the "csm anime is bad". Hence not buying the blu ray as a sign of protest. Source is below in case u dont believe me

https://epicstream.com/article/chainsaw-man-blu-ray-sales-director-controversy

japanese otakus and twt☕️. but it's not a surprise since they buy tons of stupid isekais, which stories are almost the same and have a lot of nudity

Feb 10, 2023 8:57 AM

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I don’t believe in the harassment, but so what? At the end of the day, Chainsaw Man is a product and if a bunch of people don’t like it, they won’t buy it. Not everyone saw that interview. The majority of people didn’t like the adaptation and boring story, so they didn’t buy the BDs.

Feb 10, 2023 9:00 AM

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Ajay009 said:

michael_09 said:
csm director did an interview which happened around ep 4 airing. In that interview, he said he didn't like the usual anime troupes and want to make it realistic, cinematic since fujimoto (csm author) is also a movie buff. His statement about "not liking anime troupes" pissed off japansese otakus. From that day onwards, they started cancelling him on twitter & telling mappa to fire him. He also had to disable the reply section of his twitter account that day coz of the toxicity. This proves that this is more of a personal hatred towards director than the "csm anime is bad". Hence not buying the blu ray as a sign of protest.

Lol I also dislike Cringe anime tropes He did the right thing

Unless you’re in Japan your opinion is literally useless. The Japanese market determines whether an anime is successful or not, and Chainsaw Man was so bad it was beaten in sales by an unknown slice of life…

Feb 10, 2023 9:03 AM

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Damebozo said:
The real reason why blu ray sales were/are still low is because there's not even 10000 of these gajillion gorillion overseas superfans of the CSM anime willing to buy the BDs from amazon.co.jp. They ship internationally and sales there count too. It's not "worth" the money but that's literally what it means to be a deranged superfan and what BD sales measure.

They don’t understand the philosophy of “putting your money where your mouth is”, but then again, everyone here and in Twitter praising Chainsaw Man are probably teenagers or don’t have jobs lol.

Feb 10, 2023 9:12 AM

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Badguy_oncel said:

jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

people who have money

I have plenty of money but no desire to buy blu-ray. I don't even know if I have a blu-ray player. why not just stream it? you need a copy? download a copy.

Feb 10, 2023 9:20 AM

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It's weird since Denji is the classic pervert/douche MC troope.

Feb 10, 2023 9:32 AM

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deg said:

jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

Japan they still buy CDs for Music too and they also use Fax Machines still

Even Germany uses fax machines. It's so stupid. You can't do certain things etc if you can't fax things. Every office still has one. Hate it with a passion. I guess Germany and Japan are not so different when it comes to this.

Feb 10, 2023 10:05 AM

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jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

I buy blu rays only of my absolute favorite series or of series that I’ve watched and they happen to be really cheap.

Feb 10, 2023 10:05 AM

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Honestly I assumed this was part of the reason, coupled with the argument of not having the same “style” of the manga by the hardcore otakus. Hopefully the low blu-ray sales won’t hinder the possibility of a season 2.

Feb 10, 2023 10:07 AM

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Fujimoto: really loves films and even has two characters from his two big stories that express their love for cinema
Anime: resembles cinema
Losers: WRONG!!! That’s not how it’s supposed to be!!! *cries* *seethes*

Feb 10, 2023 10:14 AM

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what the hell 👁️👄👁️😐

Feb 10, 2023 10:17 AM

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It's weird since Denji is the classic pervert/douche MC troope.

Tbh that’s what I disliked about the adaptation. Stories that go for a serious tone don’t usually have people getting kicked in the balls during their finale.

Feb 10, 2023 10:20 AM

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While I don’t approve toxicity in the comment sections and other similar stuff, I’m not really surprised this happened. What did the director expect after saying „anime stuff bad, I wanna make animation that is as realistic as possible instead of doing what anime is all about”.

He has all the right to make the adaptation how he likes, but the backlash and low sales aren’t anything shocking. If he wanted to do liveaction, then maybe a better plan would be to direct an actual liveaction instead. Animation is all about making things that aren’t possible to recreate in real life, and to break boundaries of realism. Chainsaw Man would be a great manga to adapt with this in mind.

mlem

Also read Ookami Shounen wa Kyou mo Uso wo Kasaneru (Bless Botan)

Feb 10, 2023 10:42 AM

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I think most people are okay watching it on Crunchyroll or whatever streaming website, I don't personally own a Bluray player aside from my Xbox which I barely use. Does it really look that much better? Or were there changes worth purchasing the Bluray for? Or is this just as a fan something I'm "supposed" to do?

Feb 10, 2023 11:15 AM

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About the BD/DVD thing, the point isn't how many BD/DVDs people buy nowadays, but the fact people are buying more BD/DVDs about anything else than CSM.

Even some really less known anime have better BD/DVD selling than CSM.

Feb 10, 2023 11:17 AM

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Gawdly said:

michael_09 said:
csm director did an interview which happened around ep 4 airing. In that interview, he said he didn't like the usual anime troupes and want to make it realistic, cinematic since fujimoto (csm author) is also a movie buff. His statement about "not liking anime troupes" pissed off japansese otakus. From that day onwards, they started cancelling him on twitter & telling mappa to fire him. He also had to disable the reply section of his twitter account that day coz of the toxicity. This proves that this is more of a personal hatred towards director than the "csm anime is bad". Hence not buying the blu ray as a sign of protest. Source is below in case u dont believe me

https://epicstream.com/article/chainsaw-man-blu-ray-sales-director-controversy

This sounds like bullshit. No one is this sensitive that they would just stop enjoying the anime because the director said he doesn’t like anime tropes. What if people just didn’t enjoy the lack of anime tropes? What if people just didn’t like the fact that the anime gave an entirely different feel from the manga? Even the author said he would have liked a different anime adaptation. There are also many other reasons why it flopped. There is no way an entire anime which is adapting one of the best selling mangas would flop just because of a few twitter lackies. Get real.

Provide the source for fujimoto wanting a different anime adaptation, I can’t find one. All I see that he worked closely with mappa and that he didn’t want the anime to be like the manga.

Feb 10, 2023 1:16 PM

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finally someone with right mind mentioned this, I'm tired of these Bocchi fans making threads of Chainsaw man being a failure because of low blu-ray sales and that mappa won't make a season two of it because it didn't make any money.
Like, they close thier eyes on how big all the numbers of online streams, ads, Spotify listens, figure sales and etc are, and also the huge audience it has, and only based on blu-ray sales - like who tf buys CDs except japanese otakus - say it was the worst failure of the whole medium, and how good their generic shounen or slice of life animes are, again based on this shit.
otakus being otakus...

Feb 10, 2023 1:23 PM

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ShinoAlter said:
While I don’t approve toxicity in the comment sections and other similar stuff, I’m not really surprised this happened. What did the director expect after saying „anime stuff bad, I wanna make animation that is as realistic as possible instead of doing what anime is all about”.

He has all the right to make the adaptation how he likes, but the backlash and low sales aren’t anything shocking. If he wanted to do liveaction, then maybe a better plan would be to direct an actual liveaction instead. Animation is all about making things that aren’t possible to recreate in real life, and to break boundaries of realism. Chainsaw Man would be a great manga to adapt with this in mind.

Chainsaw Man itself is popular and beloved by it's fans because it isn't just like previously made animes/mangas and its fresh and different way of storytelling. If the adaptation was just gonna be like others, then what would be the point of adapting it if it's gonna lose the soul. I think the adaptation made the best that it could in its medium, as cinematic as it had to be. I personally loved it.

Feb 10, 2023 2:27 PM

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jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

Agree. I love CSM but I’d never buy an out of date medium, to be honest I’ve never bought dvd or blu ray anyway. They just take up space. All the stuff I want is on my PC in digital form.

Just because Japan is stuck in the past doesn’t mean the rest of the world should be measured by their standards

Feb 10, 2023 3:24 PM

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The real reason is Blu-ray is expensive AF. I would never buy Blu-ray devices. DVD is still where it's at.

𝒮𝑜𝓂𝑒𝓉𝒾𝓂𝑒𝓈, 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒸𝒶𝓃'𝓉 𝓂𝑜𝓋𝑒 𝒻𝑜𝓇𝓌𝒶𝓇𝒹 𝓌𝒾𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓊𝓉 𝒸𝓁𝑜𝓈𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝒹𝑜𝑜𝓇 𝒷𝑒𝒽𝒾𝓃𝒹 𝓎𝑜𝓊. - 𝑅𝑒𝒾 𝒦𝒾𝓇𝒾𝓎𝒶𝓂𝒶

Feb 10, 2023 3:25 PM

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jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

speak for yourself. I still use DVDs to watch movies and shit which came out earlier than Blu-rays.

𝒮𝑜𝓂𝑒𝓉𝒾𝓂𝑒𝓈, 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒸𝒶𝓃'𝓉 𝓂𝑜𝓋𝑒 𝒻𝑜𝓇𝓌𝒶𝓇𝒹 𝓌𝒾𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓊𝓉 𝒸𝓁𝑜𝓈𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝒹𝑜𝑜𝓇 𝒷𝑒𝒽𝒾𝓃𝒹 𝓎𝑜𝓊. - 𝑅𝑒𝒾 𝒦𝒾𝓇𝒾𝓎𝒶𝓂𝒶

Feb 10, 2023 3:28 PM

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Todday said:

jpstiddy said:
Who buys Blu ray in 2023 anyways?

Agree. I love CSM but I’d never buy an out of date medium, to be honest I’ve never bought dvd or blu ray anyway. They just take up space. All the stuff I want is on my PC in digital form.

Just because Japan is stuck in the past doesn’t mean the rest of the world should be measured by their standards

But what happens when you want to watch something old that isn't on any streaming service? Piracy is always a viable option but I do enjoy buying DVDs of my favorite anime when the price is right.

𝒮𝑜𝓂𝑒𝓉𝒾𝓂𝑒𝓈, 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝒸𝒶𝓃'𝓉 𝓂𝑜𝓋𝑒 𝒻𝑜𝓇𝓌𝒶𝓇𝒹 𝓌𝒾𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓊𝓉 𝒸𝓁𝑜𝓈𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝒹𝑜𝑜𝓇 𝒷𝑒𝒽𝒾𝓃𝒹 𝓎𝑜𝓊. - 𝑅𝑒𝒾 𝒦𝒾𝓇𝒾𝓎𝒶𝓂𝒶

Feb 10, 2023 4:40 PM

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thunderkitten13 said:

Ajay009 said:

Lol I also dislike Cringe anime tropes He did the right thing

Unless you’re in Japan your opinion is literally useless. The Japanese market determines whether an anime is successful or not, and Chainsaw Man was so bad it was beaten in sales by an unknown slice of life…

you act like blu ray sales is what determines how successful something is. if blu ray dvds were normal internationally the sales would be vastly different. manga of csm is selling better than alot of other series. and csm being bad is your opinion it's not objective lil bro 💀💀😭

Feb 10, 2023 4:53 PM

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Cryptcat said:

thunderkitten13 said:

Unless you’re in Japan your opinion is literally useless. The Japanese market determines whether an anime is successful or not, and Chainsaw Man was so bad it was beaten in sales by an unknown slice of life…

you act like blu ray sales is what determines how successful something is. if blu ray dvds were normal internationally the sales would be vastly different. manga of csm is selling better than alot of other series. and csm being bad is your opinion it's not objective lil bro 💀💀😭

You have zero idea what funds the shows that air every season, so this conversation is useless.

Also, crazy ignorant of you to think there was zero opportunity for international fans to get their hands on BDs, but again, JAPAN dictates what is successful or not, not westerners. Know your place…

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