Attack on Titan
| You didn't have to bring up this topic, but okay. 1) Armin praising Eren for killing 80% of humanity, after stopping him all of the time. 2) The whole Mikasa thing and Eren's "I don't want that" dialogue and the sudden change in character. There are others as well, and it just needs to be polished/refined in anime, not something that needs to be hated. However, even after a few loose points, Eren is still one of my favourites. Isayama isn't a robot, so it's not like he needs to make everything perfect. He also knew that the ending was controversial. |
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| Ereh becomes a slave to his own destiny. He can't achieve his freedom. He is responsible for everything that happened in the story from the beginning to end. Mikasa stops being slave to eren which frees ymir from her slave fetish. I know its ironic but its still trash. The ending defenders say, Eren planned everything he is not a slave to his destiny He is a mastermind who manipulated everyone around him to make him the bad guy and made the alliance look like the heroes who saved humanity. the whole point of doing the rumbling is meaningless in the end. Also the ed defenders will say, Eren was not in control, it was all predetermined, the rumbling has to happen, he got no choice, he did the rumbling for his own selfish reasons to achieve freedom and defend his actions using fate, time concepts. The writing became nonsense after chapter 123. The whole rumbling arc became a fumbling arc to the entire story |
Ayanokiyo768Nov 14, 2022 12:15 AM
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| Isayama explains why he ended AoT in the way he ended |
deg said: they want AnR ending aka the Mist Ending that Isayama originally planned I think that mist type ending was the perfect ending to the story. Dk why isayama copied game of thrones. |
Ayanokiyo768Nov 14, 2022 12:13 AM
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MugenDarou said: kinda unrelated but my opinion is that if the people who hated the ending didn't tell anyone that they hated it, the majority of ending haters wouldn't hate on it. as much as u believe the ending is bad, alot of people only began hating it after reading reviews and seeing other people's opinion about it. sure you might say that's cus they didn't realise it was bad at first but i don't think that matters, my point is they wouldn't have hated it if it wasn't for public opinion Why would the people who loved the franchise for 10 years would read some random reviews and haters opinion and change their perspective about the story? There were even a lot of negative reviews and haters before the ending happened but those didn't affect the fandom. The ending is objectively bad, anti-climatic, rushed that's why they hate it |
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MugenDarou said: the answer to your question is simple, they weren't fans for 10 years, most people picked up anime in 2020 It's the most popular #1 anime/manga before 2020. |
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| It was really unsatisfactory for me when I first completed the manga, I still remember i was literally searching for more chapters after reading ch 139, my initial reaction after reading last chapter was basically "man what?". The ending Left me a bad last impression of aot. |
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Ayanokiyo768 said: MugenDarou said: the answer to your question is simple, they weren't fans for 10 years, most people picked up anime in 2020 It's the most popular #1 anime/manga before 2020. Yeah. The ending was really polarizing, one can't say people who hate the ending are new fans, it just stupid. Matter of fact people who are working on aot no requiem are old fans. Many new fans likes the ending and many hates it same for old fans. |
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| Because it's shit. It tries to be Code Geass but it fails miserably. |
Man on cope. racers551 said: Some people complain about "plot armor", as if they wouldn't complain if the alliance won at all. What in the world does that even mean? Stop asserting your own ass thoughts and act like it's objective sentiment. racers551 said: A lot of dumb guys say that Zeke was changed by a leaf, when that kind of throws away how meaningful Armin's talk with Zeke was. Explain how tf was that meaningful in any shape or form. Armin jujutsu talks his way into Zeke's head into stopping Eren in less than a fucking chapter is meaningful to what? Abandoning Zeke's total character to achieve the bs that was? racers551 said: Also the "meaninglessness" claim, which flies in the face of what Erwin had said that day, charging down at the Beast titan, how them dying wasn't meaningless. An ending supporter twisting the words of what once a character has said. Changing the context in favor of their headcanons. |
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| An ending should be the peak of the series or at least remain comparable to the series' peak Aot's ending had way too many bad points which prevented it from being its peak. Henceforth I disliked it. racers551 said: I mean, personally, I love the ending. Some people complain about "plot armor", as if they wouldn't complain if the alliance won at all. A lot of dumb guys say that Zeke was changed by a leaf, when that kind of throws away how meaningful Armin's talk with Zeke was. There's also eren's breakdown, I like it, for some reason, people say it ruins his character, which doesn't make a ton of sense to me, even now. Also the "meaninglessness" claim, which flies in the face of what Erwin had said that day, charging down at the Beast titan, how them dying wasn't meaningless. Though if you want to see a video, here's a good one. https://youtu.be/Fx1w3jEnOng "The sign is a subtle joke. The shop is called Sneed's Feed & Seed, where "feed" and "seed" both end in the sound "-eed", thus rhyming with the name of the owner, Sneed. The sign says that the shop was "Formerly Chuck's", implying that the two words beginning with "F" and "S" would have ended with "-uck", rhyming with "Chuck". So, when Chuck owned the shop, it would have been called Chuck's Fuckk and Suck." |
Za_PandaNov 14, 2022 5:11 AM
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| Well, me personally don't have anything against the rumbling itself but the way in which it was executed was god awful. First of all Killing Zeke shouldn't have completely stopped the rumbling. Back when Eren came in contact with Dina Fritz's titan with royal blood, he could command the Titans for hours even after Dina's death. So the rumbling should've continued even after Zeke's death. Then there's Armin becoming a total clown - "You became a mass murderer for our sake". I don't like how in the end Mikasa became the centre of the plot. Why is she even relevant? Instead of expanding further on such an important plot point, Yams decided to leave it to the minds of a fictional character - Ymir. It's not really surprising that "Only Ymir knows" has become a meme now. The whole alliance felt really forced but even then, it wasn't really enough to make me lose my love for the manga. Then chapter 139 happened and everything went up in smokes. It would've been better if the extra pages didn't exist which makes everything Eren did just completely meaningless. Historia was just completely forgotten and don't get me started on the massive plot armour during the final fight. |
AlrivenNov 14, 2022 6:20 AM
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| Because the themes of AOT revolve around human nature, different perspectives, and ideals, therefore, mimicking reality. People in real life are divided the same way they are in the story. Alliance/Yeagerist supporters depict real-life people with different opinions. Ending defenders/haters think the same way the characters do. |
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racers551 said: Same here manI mean, I personally love the ending. Some people complain about "plot armor", as if they wouldn't complain if the alliance won at all. A lot of dumb guys say that Zeke was changed by a leaf, when that kind of throws away how meaningful Armin's talk with Zeke was. There's also eren's breakdown, I like it, for some reason, people say it ruins his character, which doesn't make a ton of sense to me, even now. There wasn't any plot armour imo. And even if there was by any chance, then I can assure that those complaining about it, would be the same to cry first/curse the author when any of their fav character dies or doesn't get saved by the plot. Best example would be the Floch fanboys. Plus people tend to forget most of the times (idk for what reason) that the alliance had two of the strongest soldiers in the name of Mikasa and Levi. Their op Ackerman blood enables them to fight better than most out there and makes both of them nearly invincible. The same reason for which Levi was able to defeat Annie and Zeke all by himself in the previous seasons. That's pure bs. Zeke never had any last minute forced personality transformation. Throughout the seasons, it was clearly visible that in spite of Zeke's savage tendencies, he had been shown to take pity on the citizens living within the walls. He had expressed that it is a "tragedy" that they continually sacrifice their lives trying to leave the walls because their memories of the world have been taken away, viewing it as ultimately pointless. Zeke's condescending pity towards Paradis was strong enough to have driven him to outbursts of anger at times. To deal with these doubts, he often reminded himself during battle to not get worked up, and to find the "enjoyment" in life. The same reason for which he wanted to sterilize his own race and had a nihilistic type ideology, which was successfully nullified by Armin later on. That's again pure bs. They were expecting a different type of 'edgelord ripped chad' Eren all along, while completely failing to realise that he was the same cry baby we had been following since s1 and he was just putting up a facade throughout the entirety of s4, just to hide his intentions and to execute his plan. |
dk107_Nov 14, 2022 8:18 AM
dark_knight107 said: racers551 said: I mean, personally, I love the ending. Some people complain about "plot armor", as if they wouldn't complain if the alliance won at all. A lot of dumb guys say that Zeke was changed by a leaf, when that kind of throws away how meaningful Armin's talk with Zeke was. There's also eren's breakdown, I like it, for some reason, people say it ruins his character, which doesn't make a ton of sense to me, even now. Also the "meaninglessness" claim, which flies in the face of what Erwin had said that day, charging down at the Beast titan, how them dying wasn't meaningless. Though if you want to see a video, here's a good one. https://youtu.be/Fx1w3jEnOng Same here man There wasn't any plot armour imo. And even if there was by any chance, then I can assure that those complaining about it, would be the same to cry first/curse the author when any of their fav character dies or doesn't get saved by the plot. Best example would be the Floch fanboys. Plus people tend to forget most of the times (idk for what reason) that the alliance had two of the strongest soldiers in the name of Mikasa and Levi. Their op Ackerman blood enables them to fight better than most out there and makes both if them nearly invincible. The same reason for which Levi was able to defeat Annie and Zeke all by himself in the previous seasons. That's pure bs. Zeke never had any last minute forced personality transformation. Throughout the seasons, it was clearly visible that in spite of Zeke's savage tendencies, he had been shown to take pity on the citizens living within the walls. He had expressed that it is a "tragedy" that they continually sacrifice their lives trying to leave the walls because their memories of the world have been taken away, viewing it as ultimately pointless. Zeke's condescending pity towards Paradis was strong enough to have driven him to outbursts of anger at times. To deal with these doubts, he often reminded himself during battle to not get worked up, and to find the "enjoyment" in life. The same reason for which he had a nihilistic type ideology, which was successfully nullified by Armin. That's again pure bs. They were expecting a different type of 'edgelord ripped chad' Eren all along, while completely failing to realise that he was the same cry baby we had been following since s1 and he was just putting up a facade throughout the entirety of s4, just to hide his intentions and to execute his plan.  Man, I love the ending. |
dark_knight107 said: That's again pure bs. They were expecting a different type of 'edgelord ripped chad' Eren all along, while completely failing to realise that he was the same cry baby we had been following since s1 and he was just putting up a facade throughout the entirety of s4, What part of this is chad??? This is the ending ed haters are expecting. Eren finishes the rumbling for his own selfish dream (just like you mentioned on my previous forum, he does it to crush marley, for his freedom) in that process he loses armin, mikasa and his friends How is this chad ending??? |
Ayanokiyo768Nov 14, 2022 9:16 AM
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dark_knight107 said: Ayanokiyo768 said: What part of this is chad??? This is the ending ed haters are expecting. Eren finishes the rumbling for his own selfish dream (just like you mentioned on my previous forum, he does it to crush marley, for his freedom) in that process he loses armin, mikasa and his friends How is this chad ending??? Ah yes of course it had to be that shitty AnR. Eren completing the rumbling wasn't possible and even if he did by any chance, then that would contradict the series's theme about why genocide is evil and about violence. Not chad ending. I was talking about his character. How many had expected him to possibly not cry after the rumbling had stopped and wanted him to stay as an emotion less edgy ripped chad and to come back to Paradis as its new king and settle down with Historia as his queen is what had me dying with laughter. The cast can simply vanish into thin air and nobody gives a shit about the themes/messages presented in the story. This is the type of happy fairy tail ending which many possibly wanted. This shittyy Anr is better than the zeroIQ no requiem we got. This MV came when the manga was at chap 126 or something, many manga readers were expecting This ending. Some say this video is officially released by linked Horizon During his album release. It's even listed on anilist database https://anilist.co/anime/150005/Akatsuki-no-Requiem/ (Sep 2018) that was the official release date of MV mentioned on anilist DB Isayama should have moved the story in this direction instead of focusing on alliance. What message does the current ending delivers? You can commit genocide, kill anyone even innocents for protecting your loved ones. Lmao |
Ayanokiyo768Nov 14, 2022 10:29 AM
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| Because Eren didn't fuck Historia in the forest and because Eren didn't become the ultimate edgelord by killing his friends for no reason (despite the fact that he literally says that he wants his friends to live long lives). |
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