| Ever since I watched this show, I've always been really annoyed at the side characters and especially Ami. The weakest part of this series are easily the side characters and their conduct. Their actions, whatever meaning it has or for the sake of drama and tension, feel forced. Especially with Ami's. I don't understand just what the hell is her character supposed to represent and why she is acting the way she is during the last bits of the series and the reasons to even sympathize with her. (Rant.) It doesn't mean that every action of theirs was unnecessary, and it still serves the story, though it damages my experience. (being subjective to make it apparent I am not speaking for the majority.) Spoilers for the last bits of the series: Kitamura and Minori suffer from not being fleshed out well, with Ami having next to none, making her the specific target of this thread. The only thing I loved about this show was the two main casts, and their relationship progression. It is easily the strongest part of the series, but if you remove the side characters whether I like it or not, and since Kitamura and Minori were the instigators for their relationship, it wouldn't be Toradora otherwise. If I talk anymore about Ami, this would be an entire 1000 word essay about how her character is the worst offender of this. Having free time is dangerous all right. |
"The Yang Sword cuts what I want to cut." "Look, it's my victory again." |
lemonhys56 said: The ending kind of left me empty, to be honest. But Taiga coming back in the last scene saved the series from dropping down a rating or two. I believe the point of Taiga going back to her parents or mother was to give her the attention that she needed to mature.Id say toradoras worst flaw is either Ami who I also dislike or the ending of the anime. This was my first romance anime and my 3rd or 4th anime and looking back the ending was so rushed. Incoming Spoilers I will never understand why they ended toradora the way they did. I would have given the show an 8 or 8.5 but the ending was so rushed and felt weird. Taiga’s mother was randomly introduced at the end and then Taiga just left and doesn’t come back until the pcs and that pcs wasn’t as fulfilling as I wanted it to be. Not to mention that none of the side characters got any sort of ending |
"The Yang Sword cuts what I want to cut." "Look, it's my victory again." |
| i dont remember half of the stuff youre talking about but i can tell youre making a good point |
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| I hated how the romance with Taiga and Ryuji turned out, when they decided to turn on their close one and run off. I also didn't like Minori's whole ''I can't be honest with my feelings''. they kept using that to make the plot move. I found Ami, Kitamura and Yasuko to be the most interesting characters but unfortunately because they're only side characters, they're not the focus. |
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Aides64 said: When Ami was introduced, I knew exactly what type of character she is. She gets stalked, that gets resolved, and yet she remains the same as ever. I feel like she is there most of the time to cause conflict between the characters, such as the scuffle with Minori that happened during christmas, I believe. That scene may have been important for Minori's development, but I thought of it as unnecessary as she could've handled the situation a lot better by talking to her in private. If you removed her from the show, I doubt it would've changed, even a slightest bit. I see where you're coming from with Minori and Kitamura, but I think they're fine. They're not fleshed out because the story is being told from Ryuji and Taiga's perspectives, who don't see them for who they are. There's a reason for them being sidelined. As for Ami, she's my favorite side character. She has a great arc and is consistently important to the story as a voice of reason. I'd love to hear you clarify why you dislike her. I may be biased towards her characters because I think she is an eyesore, but I don't believe that she ever had good character development. |
"The Yang Sword cuts what I want to cut." "Look, it's my victory again." |
| Even If I understood her actions, which to some extent I do and can really respect some of her decisions, however that doesn't change my stance at all. |
"The Yang Sword cuts what I want to cut." "Look, it's my victory again." |
| First of all: Ami is not a side character but a main character. I don't really see what your complain here is, that the side characters are not developed enough? This is a 25 episode anime with at least 5 really well written characters. If that's not enough for you maybe you want to check out the light novels, it's a bit more detailed there but putting every detail into an anime this short is just impossible. Ami is by far the most well-written character of this anime, you might not be old or experienced enough to see all the fine nuances and hints she is giving. I see why people dislike her because she's a bit of a bitch sometimes but saying she acts forced and is badly written is just bullshit. |
I found Ami’s crush on Ryuji to be one of the most poignant bits of the plot. And in the light novels, Ami had a little more detail, and a little more time with just Ryuji and Ami. I think some of her “screen time” got cut by the editors. |
Pekyo said: Exactly what I was going to say. This is like calling Romeo and Juliet a cliché because you’ve seen it before. There's a reason why Toradora!'s clichés became clichés in the first place.RetroGressive said: I don’t see how you don’t realize all these characters you’re describing have been seen before, some of the most common anime character development cliches. Toradora came out in 2008 so I don’t think this characters were cliché at the time. Especially for Ami and Ryuji |
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| Bruh why you gotta come at my girl Ami like that? If anything she’s the only good one of the series as she’s the sole person to call out everyone else on their melodrama bs. |
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ateks said: I never mentioned the writing or questioned it and I can see your point, however I don't share the same opinion. I may check the light novels, though. First of all: Ami is not a side character but a main character. I don't really see what your complain here is, that the side characters are not developed enough? This is a 25 episode anime with at least 5 really well written characters. If that's not enough for you maybe you want to check out the light novels, it's a bit more detailed there but putting every detail into an anime this short is just impossible. Ami is by far the most well-written character of this anime, you might not be old or experienced enough to see all the fine nuances and hints she is giving. I see why people dislike her because she's a bit of a bitch sometimes but saying she acts forced and is badly written is just bullshit. I am not close-minded as to completely disregard Ami as forced and badly written. the same points (save badly written) can be applied to both Kitamura and Minori, just because I don't like her as a character. I am biased, so that can explain why I targeted this specific character. I put the rant tag there as to make it apparent that it is my own rambling. Though, my opinion is susceptible to change. |
"The Yang Sword cuts what I want to cut." "Look, it's my victory again." |
Kirisakisan said: I agree with you and your statement about supporting cast not being that fleshed but they acted more like catalysts. Aside from Ami saw some development but it wasnt that much. not really related to your comment but where did you get that nisekoi pfp? could I have a link please? :3 |
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Khushal_v said: and on other side the worst flaw of toradora for me is taiga she is basically any other tsundere RetroGressive said: Taiga is the most cliche tsundere in existence ktg said: Im not here to defend Taiga as a character, I think she very low tier compared to other Rie voiced characters from J.C Ryuuji and Taiga interactions were repetitive. We always saw the same thing but in different settings. I mean tsundere acting like a tsundere.  But Id like to just point out Taiga isn't actually a tsundere but just a violent person in general, when she was in love with Kitamura she never treated him coldly nor was she really trying to hide her love for him because she was ashamed to be in love with him   The way she treats Ryuuji is more so just a depiction of how she treats most people, which is why she is feared at school as the Palmtop Tiger  |
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Deknijff said: Khushal_v said: and on other side the worst flaw of toradora for me is taiga she is basically any other tsundere RetroGressive said: Taiga is the most cliche tsundere in existence ktg said: Im not here to defend Taiga as a character, I think she very low tier compared to other Rie voiced characters from J.C Ryuuji and Taiga interactions were repetitive. We always saw the same thing but in different settings. I mean tsundere acting like a tsundere. But Id like to just point out Taiga isn't actually a tsundere but just a violent person in general, when she was in love with Kitamura she never treated him coldly nor was she really trying to hide her love for him because she was ashamed to be in love with him The way she treats Ryuuji is more so just a depiction of how she treats most people, which is why she is feared at school as the Palmtop Tiger I mean, ya kinda just explained a tsundere |
| Taiga is the best character in this series. People who hate her either really hate tsunderes (which is okay) or are just seething ami/minoritards. I hate that stupid whore Ami and wished she got hit by truck kun. |
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ktg said: Why do you say this but literally almost right after say this Deknijff said: She is a tsundere. Taiga is not just violent, but yes, that's part of it. When she is embarrassed or someone helping her out, there is no reason to act violently if she's not a tsundere, while Taiga does. Im not here to defend Taiga as a character, I think she very low tier compared to other Rie voiced characters from J.C But Id like to just point out Taiga isn't actually a tsundere but just a violent person in general, when she was in love with Kitamura she never treated him coldly nor was she really trying to hide her love for him because she was ashamed to be in love with him The way she treats Ryuuji is more so just a depiction of how she treats most people, which is why she is feared at school as the Palmtop Tiger ktg said: Yes exactly she acts like that because her childhood makes it hard for her to interact with other people now in her teens it provided a backstory for her, where it got explained why she is cold towards others. ktg said: Yeah yeah of course but that wasn't the point, she is rude and hostile towards almost everyone. The problem is Taiga isn't acting like that towards Ryuuji for romantic reasons but just her natural usual selfAnd btw, tsundere is not just being cold, but could mean being rude or hostile. She isn't a real tsundere like Hinagiku, Kirino or Minami who do act the way they do because they're in love with a specific person  You can't just look at the surface level details and say she a Tsundere. It would be like calling Seryuu and Takami Yanderes like Yuno and Renner  Just cause on a superficial level they derive great pleasure in hurting others or having no issues with killing |
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ktg said: I guess if you don’t see my point despite my examples I mentioned we aren’t going to see eye to eye on this subject You seem to be mistaken. Tsundere can act harshly towards everyone. It's not like tsundere must acts friendly with everyone, but her loved one, because she acts coldly towards him. The difference between her love interest and others that her feelings are not cold towards the love interest. Like, for example, Misaki Ayuzawa who "interestingly" treat other males coldly too. So no, your point is simply not true. And I mentioned her backstory, because that's actually a proof why she is a tsundere. It's not a reason why she acts violently towards everyone, even towards the one that helping her. That's a separate character trait. Her backstory tells us why she can't show her feelings, so why she is tsundere. |
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ktg said: Sure sure man if you say so I guess Deknijff said: Because your argument is invalid. Even if you provide valid examples that doesn't prove your point. I'll give an example where the statement false, but the example is correct like in your case.I guess if you don’t see my point despite my examples I mentioned we aren’t going to see eye to eye on this subject My example is, Opel Astra has 4 wheels. Everyone can check this example, you just need to google it. But if my statement is the following: boats are the same as cars and the example is Opel Astra has 4 wheels. In reality your examples has nothing to do with your statement, because you name different characters and different personalities. That's why your point is non-existent.  |
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