The Executioner and Her Way of Life
| First of all, I wanted to clarify I'm one of the ones that think that this show is a hidden gem in this season already full of big names. Reading the different threads on this anime's board and I don't get why everyone seems to mention Mitsuki so much. He's literally a side character that appeared for the first 6 minutes of the first episode. It was just a plot device to introduce us to our MC and her motivations. Why is everyone using this guy to justify the anime being either good or bad? I can understand some people not liking the "yuri tag", which by the way this show has nothing to do with, but that's for another discussion. But why literally mention an NPC as a point for it being "bad"? Mod Edit: Added spoiler tags; please hide plot details. |
-DxP-Jun 17, 2022 7:31 AM
| probably they are not happy because they can no longer self insert themselves to a loser virgin mc. And probably because this self insert of theirs is killed off as a worthless piece of shit like he was |
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| Well from what I have seen, they didn't like that Menou killed him for some reasons - "He was innocent" which while it is true, even Menou feels bad for his death, but it was kinda the mission she was assigned to do and to define her character to the audience. - "Shows with female MCs are boring" which is plain dumb if you ask me. - "Yuri is boring" which is subjective if you ask me. - Another reason could be that they can't self-insert or something along those lines, since most people who watch anime are male afaik. Althought, I don't see how you can't self-insert in a girl even you are a guy, maybe because Menou isn't a blank character (?) Overall, they give them a lot of importance because he was the first one we saw and the one who the story focused at the beggining (althought, it focused more on Menou anyways). |
| the series sacrificed narrative to eliminate narrative, I am not a defender of these characters, but at least they serve so that the viewer have in a link with the self-insert and from there they can feel that they connect at the same time with the rest of the characters and that the mc can have a development. this does not make the show good, but at least it makes the public like it more otherwise the show should prove to be really competent. but this isn't good enough or smart enough to make an interesting story on its own to afford to have a whole cast of boring characters who are whatever |
Ionliosite2 said: - Another reason could be that they can't self-insert or something along those lines, since most people who watch anime are male afaik. Althought, I don't see how you can't self-insert in a girl even you are a guy, maybe because Menou isn't a blank character (?) Because they think it is gay to self-insert to a girl but honestly wouldn't self-inserting to guy be guy? Who would want to be inside of guy?! |
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Paradogred said: Google translated from JP wikipedia "Regarding the fact that all the main characters in this work are women, Sato is expected to develop a love affair if a man appears in a story about a woman as the main character, but the emotions that flow between women rather than the love between the opposite sex. It is said that it is because I thought that it would be more suitable for this work to pursue friendship and friendship" Guess the yuri is just a byproduct huh. Well, I don't mind at all. Wait a minute, are you telling me that the girl falls in love with the boy if he hadn't died? not really a lesbian? |
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Fede_5000 said: Paradogred said: Google translated from JP wikipedia "Regarding the fact that all the main characters in this work are women, Sato is expected to develop a love affair if a man appears in a story about a woman as the main character, but the emotions that flow between women rather than the love between the opposite sex. It is said that it is because I thought that it would be more suitable for this work to pursue friendship and friendship" Guess the yuri is just a byproduct huh. Well, I don't mind at all. Wait a minute, are you telling me that the girl falls in love with the boy if he hadn't died? not really a lesbian? No, the quote says that if he had written a male character him writing heterosexual love would have been something he had done. Not that yuri is a byproduct, actually, the quote he, well, quoted is kinda mistranslated. Basically, just like a regular story of "boy meets girl" instead of what we have. |
jhonathanplr said: Paradogred said: Google translated from JP wikipedia "Regarding the fact that all the main characters in this work are women, Sato is expected to develop a love affair if a man appears in a story about a woman as the main character, but the emotions that flow between women rather than the love between the opposite sex. It is said that it is because I thought that it would be more suitable for this work to pursue friendship and friendship" Guess the yuri is just a byproduct huh. Well, I don't mind at all. This makes the male character death worse. Is this person implying that they wouldn't be lesbian if there was a good man close to them? How does that even make his death worse? lmao, he is basically a no character. This person is implying that he would have written a "boy meets girl" story where the male and female MC fall in love with each other, because as the author said "when you put a male character in a story with a female protagonist, you can't help but expect a romantic development", just like most stories ever done. |
Ionliosite2Apr 28, 2022 3:08 PM
| @Ionliosite2 that seems like a bad take, it is not impossible to write a story where the female character does not fall in love with the only boy. I would have preferred him to just say that they don't like those characters. |
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Fede_5000 said: @Ionliosite2 that seems like a bad take, it is not impossible to write a story where the female character does not fall in love with the only boy. I would have preferred him to just say that they don't like those characters. Em, which is the bad take? And who mentioned a single boy? Anyways, the author doesn't dislike men or whatever you're saying with "don't like those characters", just that he prefered to focus on the relationship that girls can have rather than going forrelationships between people of opposite genders, that's all. |
Fede_5000 said: @Ionliosite2 that seems like a bad take, it is not impossible to write a story where the female character does not fall in love with the only boy. I would have preferred him to just say that they don't like those characters. Em, which is the bad take? And who mentioned a single boy? Anyways, the author doesn't dislike men or whatever you're saying with "don't like those characters", just that he prefered to focus on the relationship that girls can have rather than going forrelationships between people of opposite genders, that's all. I just hope that not trying to force a romance out of a close bond, because it would be the same than to change any bland male protagonist for a girl without any difference |
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| @Skyhigh My point is that it takes more than just being not generic for a show to truly be special. There are so many shows out there that are not generic by any means and yet they're still trash. I'm not saying this show is trash but they should've definitely given actual reasons for why they think the show is special other than just because it's "not generic" yea? and I think you're kind of missing my point tho Ive never implied executioner would feel "special" for everyone, as I stated above that for people like @Nekomoe1452 who too used of watching isekai harem anime, executioner would definitely leave a damn good first impression for em, its not that mind=blown iF they think its special lol why would you act quite strict about it? I, myself have known and watched isekai harem anime since Zero no Tsukaima days lol @Rosary_Diva because its elements are unusual and not recurrent, to start with it is a yuri which is a genre that has very few adapt to animes having an average of 1 yuri released every 1 or 2 years. It is a light novel with a female protagonist because light novels predominate the male protagonists in 90% of the time. it is an isekai where it shows a world where they already had visitors in the past and its negative consequences focusing on the lives of the inhabitants and not on how the summoned one has adventures and invades with his culture here fax also, seeing how executioner getting an anime adaptation, Im starting to believe another Dark Psychological Yuri light novel like OmaeGotoki would also get an anime adaptation OmaeGotoki is FIRE!! Im blown away by... the [NSFW] scene the antagonist in OmaeGotoki world is too scary that said tho, my favorite part is ofc when Flum and Milkit were doing the iykwim scene lol wife x wife is the BEST its so damn sweet~ the point I had to inject a gallon of insulin into my system |
Lab_Rat_0978May 2, 2022 5:21 PM
| I thinks that many people are so used to the same archetype of bland protagonist and generic design that they cannot conceive of a series killing him as if he were a cannon fodder, surely already consider it an inseparable element of any story, in each season we have like 20 of these characters |
G0ldStarkMay 4, 2022 10:30 PM
G0ldStark said: I thinks that many people are so used to the same archetype of bland protagonist and generic design that they cannot conceive of a series killing him as if he were a cannon fodder, surely already consider it an inseparable element of any story, in each season we have like 20 of these characters lol dude he isn't even the protagonist. Menou killed some random shit filler character. The problem is people calling him a protagonist when he clearly is not. |
cornflak3 said: G0ldStark said: I thinks that many people are so used to the same archetype of bland protagonist and generic design that they cannot conceive of a series killing him as if he were a cannon fodder, surely already consider it an inseparable element of any story, in each season we have like 20 of these characters lol dude he isn't even the protagonist. Menou killed some random shit filler character. The problem is people calling him a protagonist when he clearly is not. I think that was the thing he was trying to say, that everyone is used to the type of character that was Mitsuki being the protagonist, that's why people call him "protagonist" despite him being cannon fodder in this series. |
ceasertiberius said: I think it is wild that this show is rated so low. Not the best this season but better than the new isekai. It is a unique world and premise. Sort of like talentless nana which was also underrated. Is there any other reason people dont like these shows? nana has male MC, executioner doesnt have it executioner even deliberately deletes a potential male MC in the very first episode thus many people from hareem isekai fanbase get TRIGGERED and Angery by the plot twist |
ceasertiberius said: I think it is wild that this show is rated so low. Not the best this season but better than the new isekai. It is a unique world and premise. Sort of like talentless nana which was also underrated. Is there any other reason people dont like these shows? Well, going for the most upvoted low review, apparently because "it tries to be different but not in a good way", "the MC is easily unlikable" and "most of the first episode could have been cut without problems becuase it was unnecesary". Others common complain in the review section are that the characters in general are unlikable. Every single one of those complains are easily debatable imo, aside from that most complains seem to be "the MC is a girl" or "it's yuri". |
Lab_Rat_0978 said: ceasertiberius said: I think it is wild that this show is rated so low. Not the best this season but better than the new isekai. It is a unique world and premise. Sort of like talentless nana which was also underrated. Is there any other reason people dont like these shows? nana has male MC, executioner doesnt have it executioner even deliberately deletes a potential male MC in the very first episode thus many people from hareem isekai fanbase get TRIGGERED and Angery by the plot twist so aren't there a lot of animes with only female characters? Shouldn't they be hated too? for example madoka |
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Fede_5000 said: Lab_Rat_0978 said: nana has male MC, executioner doesnt have it executioner even deliberately deletes a potential male MC in the very first episode thus many people from hareem isekai fanbase get TRIGGERED and Angery by the plot twist so aren't there a lot of animes with only female characters? Shouldn't they be hated too? for example madoka madoka and executioner arent comparable, at all why would the people from harem isekai get Triggered by madoka? madoka never killed their dearest generic male MC killing off a potential generic male MC in the first 10 minutes of episode 1 is the sole reason executioner is so hated literally no other anime ever does this move I dare you to mention one, just one anime that pulls the same trick as executioner |
| @Fede_5000 I bet you would ask "then why would executioner deliberately kill off "a potential" male MC from the first place? just to make the harem isekai fans angery?" welp actually, the title is pretty explanatory, its a story about the executioner, its anime where men and women get killed for instance; there's also an isekai GIRL who also got killed in the FIRST episode, like 3 minutes tops after our dearest potential male MC went to valhalla however literally no body mentions her, at all lmao literally no one cares about the killers either people are so busy accusing menou as "evil" for killing...only the boy, our dearest potential male MC. all the hatred is only focused on menou the BIAS towards menou is so blindingly obvious even for blind people to see |
Lab_Rat_0978May 28, 2022 6:34 AM
Strykeryno said: Lab_Rat_0978 said: madoka and executioner arent comparable, at all why would the people from harem isekai get Triggered by madoka? madoka never killed their dearest generic male MC killing off a potential generic male MC in the first 10 minutes of episode 1 is the sole reason executioner is so hated literally no other anime ever does this move I dare you to mention one, just one anime that pulls the same trick as executioner Ehem.. Talentless Nana? Which by the way did it way better since it wasn't just a simple bait and switch but it also shifted the entire genre of that series. And yea people hated Nana for that as well. umm, no? executioner never tried to bait anyone at all, the title is pretty self-explanatory the executioner Girl and Her Nichijou there's no male MC in the trailers either executioner simply tried to make A POINT, women and men die in this show thats exactly why isekai-ed Boy and Girl get killed in the the same episode, episode 1. Simple as that talentless nana, can you guess only based on the title that it will be a story about assasins, like the MC's job is to kill people? lol also, nana does have male MC and no wonder people hate nana for being an assassin, for killing innocents. talentless nana, the title doesnt tell a thing about the story so nobody saw that coming, people shook and some of em didnt like it and lastly executioner is adventure anime. I dont know much about nana but its definitely not adventure anime, right? |
Lab_Rat_0978May 28, 2022 8:17 AM
Strykeryno said: Lab_Rat_0978 said: madoka and executioner arent comparable, at all why would the people from harem isekai get Triggered by madoka? madoka never killed their dearest generic male MC killing off a potential generic male MC in the first 10 minutes of episode 1 is the sole reason executioner is so hated literally no other anime ever does this move I dare you to mention one, just one anime that pulls the same trick as executioner Ehem.. Talentless Nana? Which by the way did it way better since it wasn't just a simple bait and switch but it also shifted the entire genre of that series. And yea people hated Nana for that as well. Why would change the genre of the series would make it better? It wasn't that much difference what happened there with what happened here, but even reading the sinopsis here and the title of the series will give you what this show is about unlike Munou na Nana. So yeah, this wasn't bait either. |
| @Lab_Rat_0978 I assumed that people just hated the series just because there are female characters and no male characters and i thought it should also apply to other anime where there are only female characters like strike witches, azur lane, harukana receive, keijo are not hated for only having women, but they are not loved here either. I think that Munou na nana should also be hated, but you are right that there is a male character there who tries to busted nana. |
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Strykeryno said: Ionliosite2 said: Why would change the genre of the series would make it better? It wasn't that much difference what happened there with what happened here, but even reading the sinopsis here and the title of the series will give you what this show is about unlike Munou na Nana. So yeah, this wasn't bait either. I just said that the twist was done better there simply because it was unpredictable. In Shoukei Shoujo even without reading the synopsis or watching trailers you should be able to put together what's going on even before the twist happens. But if it was so predictable/obvious as we say then why the ''outrage'' happened in the 1st place? Apparently some people had to came here expecting some generic isekai power fantasy right? Meaning there were people who actually took the bait. I can't see any other explenation for it. It happened because people can't bother to read the synopsis nor know what the title means. I actually asked some people in other palces if they read the synopsis and they say "no". I know my personal experience shouldn't weight that much in this, but some people just watch an anime because they can and without reading the synopsis nor trying to think too much into it. Besides,from what I saw (across the social media I use), people were complaining more that the MC was a girl and that the series is yuri than this wasn't a generic isekai. But again, some people see isekai and think it will be the same as always exactly for what I said above. |
| too much credit they give a show just from killing that poor nobody in Ep1 when have the same old isekai tropes regurgitated here, but with “subverting your expectations”, corrupt churches and exchanging one power fantasy (male wish fulfillment) for another stuff (yuribait lol) they already thinks that their mediocre show is remarkable |
RayReynolds said: too much credit they give a show just from killing that poor nobody in Ep1 when have the same old isekai tropes regurgitated here, but with “subverting your expectations”, corrupt churches and exchanging one power fantasy (male wish fulfillment) for another stuff (yuribait lol) they already thinks that their mediocre show is remarkable This right here. Look just because it was able to avoid the simple thing of being a "wish fufilment isekai" doesn't mean it's good. I didn't enjoy something like Power Rangers RPM for doing something different from the typical Power Rangers formula. I loved it for the likable characters, the well structured, thought provoking story and the character development that was top notch, (besides the point I know but you get the gist) Executioner on the other is doesn't have any of that. And let's face what would happen if the roles were reversed.... I'm certain you wouldn't be on defense mode now would you. I had my reasons to drop the show, from un-interesting (and sometimes irritating) characters, a world building while being decent not having much intrigue, and really boring story. But yeah. 9 episodes in and you folks are still on this narrative of what happened into episode 1. |
Strykeryno said: Lab_Rat_0978 said: umm, no? executioner never tried to bait anyone at all, the title is pretty self-explanatory the executioner Girl and Her Nichijou there's no male MC in the trailers either executioner simply tried to make A POINT, women and men die in this show thats exactly why isekai-ed Boy and Girl get killed in the the same episode, episode 1. Simple as that talentless nana, can you guess only based on the title that it will be a story about assasins, like the MC's job is to kill people? lol also, nana does have male MC and no wonder people hate nana for being an assassin, for killing innocents. talentless nana, the title doesnt tell a thing about the story so nobody saw that coming, people shook and some of em didnt like it and lastly executioner is adventure anime. I dont know much about nana but its definitely not adventure anime, right? Ok now you're kinda reaching with the whole ''obvious from tittle/trailers or gender balance'' i never said anything about that, i just replyied to your: ''killing off a potential generic male MC in the first 10 minutes of episode 1 is the sole reason executioner is so hated'' ''literally no other anime ever does this move'' ''I dare you to mention one, just one anime that pulls the same trick as executioner'' TN did totally the same thing and there were people hating the show and Nana's character for that, although not that much like with the Shoukei Shoujo. Why else do you think that many people were meantioning TN when SSnVR started airing? Yes genre wise they are different. But trust me there are a number of other similarities these 2 shows have, outside of this ''outrage'' because the ''generic MC'' got offed in ep 1. ''nana does have male MC and no wonder people hate nana for being an assassin, for killing innocents.'' Now you kinda hypocritical. People said the same thing about Menou. Neither of these 2 shows really justifies murdering innocents. umm, you kinda missed the point you claimed executioner pulled a ClickBait on the audience and I was only trying to Refute your big misconception? there you have it Ive already Debunked it and yet nobody mentions flare? she also kills innocents all the time you know? its also revealed in episode 8-9 she killed a married woman with husband and children butt guess what all the hatred still on poor menou, on what happened in episode 1, poople only care when menou did that one thing, Buried a potential generic hareem isekai male MC also, in nana the generic hareem isekai male MC aint ded youre doing too hard by comparing nana and executioner, thats like thinking all anime are "naruto" just like what my mom says all the time lol as its showcased in anime episode 7 even the LORE in executioner is especially built for adventure and the adventure theme gets even thicker in light novel vol 3 onwards (in anime, we're in vol 2 btw) fyi executioner being adventure anime is foreshadowed by akari's statement back in anime episode 2 I asked you a question, how about nana? |
GalacticMagna said: RayReynolds said: too much credit they give a show just from killing that poor nobody in Ep1 when have the same old isekai tropes regurgitated here, but with “subverting your expectations”, corrupt churches and exchanging one power fantasy (male wish fulfillment) for another stuff (yuribait lol) they already thinks that their mediocre show is remarkable This right here. Look just because it was able to avoid the simple thing of being a "wish fufilment isekai" doesn't mean it's good. I didn't enjoy something like Power Rangers RPM for doing something different from the typical Power Rangers formula. I loved it for the likable characters, the well structured, thought provoking story and the character development that was top notch, (besides the point I know but you get the gist) Executioner on the other is doesn't have any of that. And let's face what would happen if the roles were reversed.... I'm certain you wouldn't be on defense mode now would you. I had my reasons to drop the show, from un-interesting (and sometimes irritating) characters, a world building while being decent not having much intrigue, and really boring story. But yeah. 9 episodes in and you folks are still on this narrative of what happened into episode 1. Certainly, I find more interesting and fun other isekai that were precisely a "wish fufilment isekai" like "death march" that this novel concept, but putrid sunk in the concept of insipidity. |
Strykeryno said: Ionliosite2 said: Why would change the genre of the series would make it better? It wasn't that much difference what happened there with what happened here, but even reading the sinopsis here and the title of the series will give you what this show is about unlike Munou na Nana. So yeah, this wasn't bait either. I just said that the twist was done better there simply because it was unpredictable. In Shoukei Shoujo even without reading the synopsis or watching trailers you should be able to put together what's going on even before the twist happens. But if it was so predictable/obvious as we say then why the ''outrage'' happened in the 1st place? Apparently some people had to came here expecting some generic isekai power fantasy right? Meaning there were people who actually took the bait. I can't see any other explenation for it. its never a twist its a premise theyre completely two different things those people simply didnt expect the dude, the isekai harem male MC to die, Permanently. thats all |
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