| I have seen many times in MAL that many users deem subtle development as static/no development when it's simply wrong. For example, characters like Edward, Mikasa, Armin, etc(There's probably more but these characters were on the top of my head) are often deemed as having no developments or being very weak characters when it's simply not true. Elaboration for the characters mentioned above. Ed- I am an anime only for AoT so this will only contain stuff up to S3P2/S4 P1 Mikasa- Armin- What are your thoughts? |
CamelBowNov 19, 2021 9:38 PM
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| Elaborate and justify the idea that those characters develop. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
Thigh_Tide said: Why not?Elaborate and justify the idea that those characters develop. Ed- I am an anime only for AoT so this will only contain stuff up to S3P2/S4 P1 Mikasa- Armin- |
CamelBowNov 19, 2021 6:11 AM
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| Perhaps people aren't really aware of what good character development is unless it's shoved into their faces. A majority of people consume anime just for entertainment and don't delve deep into it and analyse it further. adnan_ said: Went through the entire thing, and it's really good. FMAB and AOT were two of the first anime I've watched, and I wasn't good at inspecting and critiquing anime back then (not that I am particularly good at it now, but I like to imagine that I am). I really feel like re-watching them now (my memory of them is quite hazy) thanks to your thoughtfully written discourse - it was the most interesting thing I came across on the internet today.Thigh_Tide said: Why not?Elaborate and justify the idea that those characters develop. Ed- I am an anime only for AoT so this will only contain stuff up to S3P2/S4 P1 Mikasa- Armin- |
elnino02Nov 19, 2021 11:44 AM
| You kinda gave an answer yourself. It's easy to miss subtle things. Maybe because they got overshadowed or just because they are plainly so subtle. And yeah, as someone above said, most watch for entertainment or so it seems. So it won't be character development may won't appeal to them as much as animation, soundtrack, etc. |
| Subtle character development is hard to detect because it is subtle lol. Really in general people need to stop viewing dynamic characters as innate positive or static as a negative and their view on character writing will be better. What matters is do the characters interact naturally? Plus when those characters change subtly, greatly or that change is non existent does it help support the narrative in an interesting way? Not every character in existence needs some major change by the end of the story for them to be good characters. My favourite character in the entire medium is actually pretty static but it works well for the story/theme being told. Static doesn't = weak character nor does dynamic = strong character. |
| Either because they don't want to analyse that deep or they can't analyse that deep. Because it takes a good understanding and experience to be able to analyse characters deeply. |
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| I believe it's more of a case that the character doesn't develope in a way the criticizer wished for. But the person lacks words to describe what they expected/hoped for from the character so they go for critiscism they know. Or the character development gets overshadowed by other things in the work, which I think can be argued if it's such good thing. |
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| Because people like to parot what other peolle parot without bothering to find out when and why a static character is actually bad |
| About Mikasa, if you give me the option to decide between watching a paint drying up 24 minutes and a full episode of Mikasa, then I would choose the former and probably extend my session by 24 minutes to be grateful. It is not just matter of what the character is, Mikasa obviously brings an alternative view about the conflict and have her own development, duh, every character does, but her development barely accomplishes anything inside of the story and fall flat against the other topics. Mikasa could have killed herself in the first chapter and I wouldn't mind it, there is no point in AoT where I would think that Mikasa served as anything but as a discount Levi, she is just a companion, not a statement on its own |
| Manga spoilers for aot it wasn't like a burst of true color like Madoka Magica's Homura for example. The same is true for Armin if I am not wrong. Although I kinda forgot what role he plays. I don't mind subtle development, but it needs to produce satisfying results, otherwise it is like those anti-climatic yt videos of someone who wants to show the world what happens when you pass 999:99:99.999 on a timer. |
elnino02 said: Yeah I definitely agree. I think people are used to character development where dramatic sequence and screaming are involved and it is also a shame that people don't delve deeper into entertainment as you can enjoy a lot more when you discover new things when thinking about stuff.Perhaps people aren't really aware of what good character development is unless it's shoved into their faces. A majority of people consume anime just for entertainment and don't delve deep into it and analyse it further. Went through the entire thing, and it's really good. FMAB and AOT were two of the first anime I've watched, and I wasn't good at inspecting and critiquing anime back then (not that I am particularly good at it now, but I like to imagine that I am). I really feel like re-watching them now (my memory of them is quite hazy) thanks to your thoughtfully written discourse - it was the most interesting thing I came across on the internet today. Thank you very much. It makes all the effort worth it. I am glad that my write-up made you rewatch these series. Read the Uprising arc of AoT it's better in the manga. ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ Blind-Ninja said: Hmm you may be right but I really don't like when people deem subtle character development as no development at all. I have seen plenty of people say that to the characters mentioned in my OP.You kinda gave an answer yourself. It's easy to miss subtle things. Maybe because they got overshadowed or just because they are plainly so subtle. And yeah, as someone above said, most watch for entertainment or so it seems. So it won't be character development may won't appeal to them as much as animation, soundtrack, etc. ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ _Maneki-Neko_ said: Yeah, I have seen takes like Levi is just there for being a Beyblade or he is famous or popular bc of his looks and appearance and badassness and sh-t like that when that's merely the case of Levi. His character has so much potential(I just hope Yams don't kill him in part 2.) which really shows that many anime fans lack deep reading comprehension.Some anime fans are really young and unexperienced and a bunch of anime fans can't read people well and don't really understand them from my experience. ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ BilboBaggins365 said: I 100% agree with you. I have seen people celebrate characters like Lelouch who gives off the master, CHAD vibe way more than equally well-written Shinji Ikari. Writing for static characters can also be amazing. I think people are just too obsessed with dynamic or dramatic character development. Take Historia for example, many people like her bc she got a dramatic development in Uprising arc and thinks she is the best FC of AoT when Ymir freckles' writing is way better even if she is a static character. I would also argue that Mikasa is a better character than Historia but its a talk for another day.Subtle character development is hard to detect because it is subtle lol. Really in general people need to stop viewing dynamic characters as innate positive or static as a negative and their view on character writing will be better. What matters is do the characters interact naturally? Plus when those characters change subtly, greatly or that change is non existent does it help support the narrative in an interesting way? Not every character in existence needs some major change by the end of the story for them to be good characters. My favourite character in the entire medium is actually pretty static but it works well for the story/theme being told. Static doesn't = weak character nor does dynamic = strong character. ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ Animaniaig said: Thanks for providing an example for my post. If you have time I have written about all those "cardboard characters". So give it a go if you want.Full Metal Alchemist has subtle development? That's news to me. I don't care for the others you mentioned because they're just cardboard. As for the question, it's because some people prefer to just consume things without wanting to think about what they're watching and others just can't pick up on visual cues so they want everything told to them. ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ konkelo said: Interesting points. It can be the case that bc of the lack of words they just go "eh, they don't develop" when that's not true. I think people should experience the stuff for it is not bc of what it can become according to them. Only disappointment stems from such a way of thinking. I don't think that subtle development being "overshadowed", is the problem from the narration perspective as it's the responsibility of the user to catch on to the stuff which the author is writing in its story whether it's subtle or not. And as far as I remember the development of these characters is not so less that they can get easily overshadowed.I believe it's more of a case that the character doesn't develope in a way the criticizer wished for. But the person lacks words to describe what they expected/hoped for from the character so they go for critiscism they know. Or the character development gets overshadowed by other things in the work, which I think can be argued if it's such good thing. ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ Gween_Gween said: Well what's interesting or not is subjective so I won't argue on that, But saying she does not accomplish inside the story is a cap as she is literally the embodiment of beauty in a cruel world, family, love. She is definitely a statement of her own by her goal to protect her family, gradually starting to accept the death of her family(serumbowl) and starting to go against Eren when he goes against her ideal. There's her relationship with Levi and her gradually opening to other people and starting teamwork, shouldering her mistakes and reflecting upon them, the commentary on trauma, the opposing ideology to Eren's view on freedom and their interplay (flowers, rooted to environment, v birds, not tied to anything), Her journey of agency, self-worth, and finding meaning. etc. So there's a lot more to her than what you give her credit forAbout Mikasa, if you give me the option to decide between watching a paint drying up 24 minutes and a full episode of Mikasa, then I would choose the former and probably extend my session by 24 minutes to be grateful. It is not just matter of what the character is, Mikasa obviously brings an alternative view about the conflict and have her own development, duh, every character does, but her development barely accomplishes anything inside of the story and fall flat against the other topics. Mikasa could have killed herself in the first chapter and I wouldn't mind it, there is no point in AoT where I would think that Mikasa served as anything but as a discount Levi, she is just a companion, not a statement on its own Atleast you know she goes through development instead of saying she does not develop a bit. ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ NextUniverse said: Hahaha nice analogy. I completely agree with you. I hope Mikasa and Armin gets proper conclusion to their respective character arc. EMA is one of my favorite trio in animeit wasn't like a burst of true color like Madoka Magica's Homura for example. The same is true for Armin if I am not wrong. Although I kinda forgot what role he plays. I don't mind subtle development, but it needs to produce satisfying results, otherwise it is like those anti-climatic yt videos of someone who wants to show the world what happens when you pass 999:99:99.999 on a timer. |
CamelBowNov 19, 2021 10:50 PM
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adnan_ said: Gween_Gween said: Well what's interesting or not is subjective so I won't argue on that, But saying she does not accomplish inside the story is a cap as she is literally the embodiment of beauty in a cruel world, family, love. She is definitely a statement of her own by her goal to protect her family, gradually starting to accept the death of her family(serumbowl) and starting to go against Eren when he goes against her ideal. There's her relationship with Levi and her gradually opening to other people and starting teamwork, shouldering her mistakes and reflecting upon them, the commentary on trauma, the opposing ideology to Eren's view on freedom and their interplay (flowers, rooted to environment, v birds, not tied to anything), Her journey of agency, self-worth, and finding meaning. etc. So there's a lot more to her than what you give her credit forAbout Mikasa, if you give me the option to decide between watching a paint drying up 24 minutes and a full episode of Mikasa, then I would choose the former and probably extend my session by 24 minutes to be grateful. It is not just matter of what the character is, Mikasa obviously brings an alternative view about the conflict and have her own development, duh, every character does, but her development barely accomplishes anything inside of the story and fall flat against the other topics. Mikasa could have killed herself in the first chapter and I wouldn't mind it, there is no point in AoT where I would think that Mikasa served as anything but as a discount Levi, she is just a companion, not a statement on its own Atleast you know she goes through development instead of saying she does not develop a bit. Is her meaning an accomplishment? You can give any character in any anime an outline about their personality and say that imposing such vision is a statement. You are right about her purpose in the story, but you are clearly misguided about the reasoning behind people finding Mikasa a weak character. It doesn't really matter though, being able to enjoy her character is more power to you |
| because people are to immature to understand good writing.. a widely hated anime exists called scum's wish its my 4th fav anime of all time but why people didn't understand it and hate is because no one in that anime shows up stuff in their faces we are left to us to see for ourselves who is good and how bad is the good.. same for an anime called parasyte.. the people who think the bad guys were killed and good guys won have seriously not understood it.. the truth is they were both just trying to survive in it |
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Gween_Gween said: I get everything else that you said but I am wondering what is the reasoning behind her being a "bad character". Genuinely curious. But up until now, I have only seen she is a simp for eren or she only does ereh or her character revolves around eren when all of these are falsebut you are clearly misguided about the reasoning behind people finding Mikasa a weak character. |
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adnan_ said: Gween_Gween said: I get everything else that you said but I am wondering what is the reasoning behind her being a "bad character". Genuinely curious. But up until now, I have only seen she is a simp for eren or she only does ereh or her character revolves around eren when all of these are falsebut you are clearly misguided about the reasoning behind people finding Mikasa a weak character. The overall idea is that the character is inserted incorrectly and just as a badass, already figured out the game coin into the story. You have a bunch of character with interesting themes and that makes them shine in one way or another by bringing an approachable and tense arc where they take decisions with some sort of risk and emotional impact (Eren, Erwin, Levi, Hange, Historia, Armin, Gabi), the inner conflict of Mikasa and her growth pales in comparison by not allowing in any moment a further question about her actions, the reaction to her scenes is mostly "Oh she is feeling like that, but she will do nothing with such perspective, lets move on", so you get an obvious counter-culture response against her popularity (And no, she is not popular because of her development lmao). You can see that people who find her an attractive character by the start just did a research about her, put a bunch of plot points that arrives at a conclusion, and then decided that the character is worth something because you can do a 1000 words essay about it (A counter-counter-culture approach), but within the context of AoT her lack of exposure and agency makes her overall principle overshadowed. It is not about her worth as a single entity in the world, but her worth in relation with the other entities that makes her weak. The story didnt let her position flourish |
adnan_ said: If in your last sentence you're referring to characters you mentioned in your first post, I must acclaim I know jack shit about aot beyond season 1. As for FMA while it has been some time since I have read the whole story, I don't think any of the characters in it have subtle development. Most if not all characters' stories and development is crucial and linked to the main plot and to the worldbuilding. I can't really see how someone could miss them.konkelo said: Interesting points. It can be the case that bc of the lack of words they just go "eh, they don't develop" when that's not true. I think people should experience the stuff for it is not bc of what it can become according to them. Only disappointment stems from such a way of thinking. I don't think that subtle development being "overshadowed", is the problem from the narration perspective as it's the responsibility of the user to catch on to the stuff which the author is writing in its story whether it's subtle or not. And as far as I remember the development of these characters is not so less that they can get easily overshadowed.I believe it's more of a case that the character doesn't develope in a way the criticizer wished for. But the person lacks words to describe what they expected/hoped for from the character so they go for critiscism they know. Or the character development gets overshadowed by other things in the work, which I think can be argued if it's such good thing. While I guess it should be ideal situation that audience takes the story as it goes, but that in most cases is impossible to achieve. Since what we expect out of the story is already shaped by marketing, other fans' opinion and what are the norms in the genre. Take also in account that as far as anime goes competition for audience is tough, and from my experience there are only few fandoms that attract fans that really go through the source material like reading the Bible. Typical anime fan consumer follows what's the newest hot show this season, watches it, talks about it for a while and when the next season comes go for the other new hit show. Any deeper reading in to the work is done by few fans who are still attached to the story. |
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Gween_Gween said: I don't think it's inserted incorrectly. It's just that we haven't got an arc that heavily focuses on her. Trost focuses on her but it's merely the introduction of her character theme of beauty in a cruel world and fleshes it out a bit. I have heard that Mikasa has a more major role in the story left to be adapted to let's see. It's unfair to compare her with Levi, Erwin, who got the major spotlight in S3, and Eren, Gabi who got the major spotlight in S4 P1. The overall idea is that the character is inserted incorrectly and just as a badass, already figured out the game coin into the story. You have a bunch of character with interesting themes and that makes them shine in one way or another by bringing an approachable and tense arc where they take decisions with some sort of risk and emotional impact (Eren, Erwin, Levi, Hange, Historia, Armin, Gabi), the inner conflict of Mikasa and her growth pales in comparison by not allowing in any moment a further question about her actions, the reaction to her scenes is mostly "Oh she is feeling like that, but she will do nothing with such perspective, lets move on", so you get an obvious counter-culture response against her popularity (And no, she is not popular because of her development lmao). You can see that people who find her an attractive character by the start just did a research about her, put a bunch of plot points that arrives at a conclusion, and then decided that the character is worth something because you can do a 1000 words essay about it (A counter-counter-culture approach), but within the context of AoT her lack of exposure and agency makes her overall principle overshadowed. It is not about her worth as a single entity in the world, but her worth in relation with the other entities that makes her weak. The story didnt let her position flourish For the emotional impact, Serumbowl does exactly that for Mikasa and it's actually a big point for her character. I don't think what she will do can be decided already bc if that was the case she wouldn't have hesitated to kill Riener and Bert. in CoT and wouldn't have given up on serum in serumbowl. There's more example but I think I explained this enough. I dunno I have seen people on Twitter and other socials appreciating her for her character rather than her looks. Ofc. some of them shitted on Post TS Mikasa's design but they were a minority. If you are comparing her development to Historia's development or Ymir freckles development then sure she lacks exposure as she has to have an arc of her own. But lack of exposure does not mean she is a bad character as those small bits of development and her ever-changing actions are what build her character. I mean that's the same for Ed from FMAB too. Its just that he has more exposure than her bc he is the protag. You are mistaken on agency bc To understand Mikasa's overarching development we first need to look back to the start. She doesn’t run because anyplace without her loved ones would feel too cold. Eren saves her and gives clarity to the cruelness of the world, he gives her the opportunity to combat it. In fact, words that represent trauma stick with Mikasa throughout the manga, from Eren's to Carla's request. She internalizes them into her identity because, broken as she is, she hasn’t yet found her own purpose. Her journey is one of agency, self-worth, and finding meaning. This is also the reason she goes on for a suicidal charge in the Trost arc. She is slowly starting to find it throughout the story by meeting and opening up to different characters and she has developed so much that now she has made her own ideals and actively goes against Eren in S4. Ofc. She wants him back bc he is really important to her. She won't abandon him but she won't support any of his actions too. Anyway, my point is that using her lack of exposure as a critic should be unfair bc even Levi was not much fleshed out before S3 ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ konkelo said: You think people don't believe about FMA like that. There's an example in this thread only- If in your last sentence you're referring to characters you mentioned in your first post, I must acclaim I know jack shit about aot beyond season 1. As for FMA while it has been some time since I have read the whole story, I don't think any of the characters in it have subtle development. Most if not all characters' stories and development is crucial and linked to the main plot and to the worldbuilding. I can't really see how someone could miss them. While I guess it should be ideal situation that audience takes the story as it goes, but that in most cases is impossible to achieve. Since what we expect out of the story is already shaped by marketing, other fans' opinion and what are the norms in the genre. Take also in account that as far as anime goes competition for audience is tough, and from my experience there are only few fandoms that attract fans that really go through the source material like reading the Bible. Typical anime fan consumer follows what's the newest hot show this season, watches it, talks about it for a while and when the next season comes go for the other new hit show. Any deeper reading in to the work is done by few fans who are still attached to the story. Animaniaig said: Full Metal Alchemist has subtle development? That's news to me. And yeah I agree with the 2nd paragraph. People just wanna enjoy things and move on without having a better understanding of it which results in the the type of comments as X character didn't develop or similar stuff like that. |
CamelBowNov 20, 2021 10:42 PM
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adnan_ said: I don't think it's inserted incorrectly. It's just that we haven't got an arc that heavily focuses on her. If she wasnt inserted incorrectly people would care about her beyond her superficial personality, or are you going to tell me that it is just a coincidence that within all the universe of AoT her character is that polarizing? Now, I'm not saying that it should be introduced differently, I'm just explaining you why people think that she is a weak character, it is alright to her to be like that, but her theme just falls flat, it is not hard to see it Trost focuses on her but it's merely the introduction of her character theme of beauty in a cruel world and fleshes it out a bit. I have heard that Mikasa has a more major role in the story left to be adapted to let's see. It's unfair to compare her with Levi, Erwin, who got the major spotlight in S3, and Eren, Gabi who got the major spotlight in S4 P1. It is unfair, I'm not saying the opposite, I said that the hate towards her is a counter-culture I dunno I have seen people on Twitter and other socials appreciating her for her character rather than her looks. Ofc. some of them shitted on Post TS Mikasa's design but they were a minority. We can see a lot in social media, people will defend their bare bones shows to the core bla bla bla explaining me the theme I agree, you are just not interpreting right my comments. You asked in your post, "Why is Mikasa considered a weak character if she has development", and I'm answering you that she doesn't have the correct agency and exposure to let people who doesn't care about nerdly studying her character to care about her Anyway, my point is that using her lack of exposure as a critic should be unfair bc even Levi was not much fleshed out before S3 It is unfair, it is not a critique, I just don't really care about Mikasa's character and her theme is bland because it is telegraphed by the virtue of not having enough agency beyond the definition of the paths of the story. She is an important character, but not something to watch for in the grand scheme. No wonder the ending is disliked, right? |
| I dropped Fullmetal Alchemist because I didn’t want to deal with Ed’s obnoxious character. If he develops later on, I wouldn’t know of it. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Gween_Gween said: But people do care for her. I mean neither you nor I can prove our stance but if I have to establish a point then I would say every reactor on YT I have seen like her. Anyways arguing about people caring or not would be meaningless as I have seen a large number of accounts on insta, Twitter, and even on MAL but that ain't good for an argument. Her theme of failing flat is something I completely disagree with. Her mindset slowly expands beyond Armin and eren and other things i have already said. Ig her theme can fall flat for you just like Luffy's freedom theme falling can be flat for some.If she wasnt inserted incorrectly people would care about her beyond her superficial personality, or are you going to tell me that it is just a coincidence that within all the universe of AoT her character is that polarizing? Now, I'm not saying that it should be introduced differently, I'm just explaining you why people think that she is a weak character, it is alright to her to be like that, but her theme just falls flat, it is not hard to see it In AoT universe, Levi, Eren S1-S3 were most critiqued. And if you want to know why she is hated. You can see here- https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1973546 It is unfair, I'm not saying the opposite, I said that the hate towards her is a counter-culture Which I think is not a good thing.We can see a lot in social media, people will defend their bare bones shows to the core I didn't say defending her. I said appreciating her. Honestly, I have only seen this much hate for MAL only. And I don't think you can defend bare bones and not get called out especially in platforms like Twitter where ratios and stuff similar to that exists. I mean how can someone find coconut water in a dry coconut.I agree, you are just not interpreting right my comments. You asked in your post, "Why is Mikasa considered a weak character if she has development", and I'm answering you that she doesn't have the correct agency and exposure to let people who doesn't care about nerdly studying her character to care about her Uh it's not nerdy study, subtle development is a prevalent way to develop a character in many mediaIt is unfair, it is not a critique, I just don't really care about Mikasa's character and her theme is bland because it is telegraphed by the virtue of not having enough agency beyond the definition of the paths of the story. She is an important character, but not something to watch for in the grand scheme. No wonder the ending is disliked, right? I dunno about the ending or why it's disliked so I bringing Mikasa here does not make sense. Again her character journey is to find agency and self-worth. Again calling her theme bland is senseless. Her character arc or theme is not complete. So hating on incomplete work is for not portraying something completely or in an interesting way is senseless. |
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| It's so subtle they don't notice it lol |
 My biggest regret: Reading all 200+ chapters of Kanojo, Okarishimasu |
| I think people who said Mikasa and Armin dont have character development are just not paying attention, its not even hard to notice to they've gotten stronger mentally and physically as the story progress. You really dont need to break it down lol. That being said I personally still dont find whats so special about Armin and Mikasa as characters at all really, the character development that they've got was to be expected when you have characters like that. Ones a simp with no other goal other than following the MC and the other is a character who starts out pretty weak in many ways. |
leev said: I think people who said Mikasa and Armin dont have character development are just not paying attention, its not even hard to notice to they've gotten stronger mentally and physically as the story progress. You really dont need to break it down lol. That being said I personally still dont find whats so special about Armin and Mikasa as characters at all really, the character development that they've got was to be expected when you have characters like that. Ones a simp with no other goal other than following the MC and the other is a character who starts out pretty weak in many ways. adnan_ said: I have seen many times in MAL that many users deem subtle development as static/no development when it's simply wrong. For example, characters like Edward, Mikasa, Armin, etc(There's probably more but these characters were on the top of my head) are often deemed as having no developments or being very weak characters when it's simply not true. Elaboration for the characters mentioned above. Ed- I am an anime only for AoT so this will only contain stuff up to S3P2/S4 P1 Mikasa- Armin- What are your thoughts? Trying to explain why these characters have any devolpment to some users on here is akin to playing chess with a pigeon. They already have it set in stone why a character is "good" or "bad". Rather than focus on what they contribute to the story or how they interact with other characters, they'll focus on superficial aspects such as mikasa is a simp, or Saitama being a boring character because he's op. Despite opm being about saitama struggling with his bordom/depression. And how power rankings are pointless. |
scruffs said: Trying to explain why these characters have any devolpment to some users on here is akin to playing chess with a pigeon. They already have it set in stone why a character is "good" or "bad". Rather than focus on what they contribute to the story or how they interact with other characters, they'll focus on superficial aspects such as mikasa is a simp, or Saitama being a boring character because he's op. Despite opm being about saitama struggling with his bordom/depression. And how power rankings are pointless. I don't know why you quoted me here but it seems you're bothered I don't rate those two in a higher regard. There's nothing wrong with having your own standards/preference. Saying a character getting development is one thing and finding the character uninteresting is another. |
| You said it yourself, it's subtle. Since it's not in your face, more people will not catch onto it or downplay it. |
| yo |
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