| well, fullmetal alchemist brotherhood doesn't do it either, shingeki no kyojin too, i think kimetsu no yaiba doesn't do it either (except for mitsuri, but i think they did so because of their pillar title) |
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| I can think of at least three so it's not some huge innovation or something. EDIT: It's five now. |
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| Gintama - the most sexualization we get is outdoor defecation fetishes and that's the male police leader. Maybe try it out |
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| Gintama, AOT and fmab don't do this |
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| Groundbreaking stuff. JJK is really changing the game. |
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| Yeap OP, you're absolutely right. For the 1st time ever since Dragon Ball we don't have a battle shounen sexualizing its female characters, thank goodness it finally happened. |
SoldierDream said: Yeap OP, you're absolutely right. For the 1st time ever since Dragon Ball we don't have a battle shounen sexualizing its female characters, thank goodness it finally happened. You really used DB as your example? Come on, that fails on multiple levels. |
Tirihas said: I believe that was sarcasmSoldierDream said: Yeap OP, you're absolutely right. For the 1st time ever since Dragon Ball we don't have a battle shounen sexualizing its female characters, thank goodness it finally happened. You really used DB as your example? Come on, that fails on multiple levels. |
| That’s cool and I think some shows should follow suit, but there’s nothing really new here. I can name quite a few shows that do the same |
| I guess that you only watched only few shounen anime |
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| ? I mean you have watched AoT (the most populer anime) and it doesn't do that. In fact only fairy tale and fire force do it. Is there even another anime that do it? |
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| There's sexualization of female characters or generally degradation of female characters based on the sole fact that they're trying to fit the females in a specific role of a typical, outdated picture of a woman and in my opinion FMAB and other popular anime that "broke" the standard still fall very short. I agree that only shingeki no kyojin and jujutsu kaisen have done the job of taking out the need to fit a female in some sort of picture that exists in our society and have given them meaningful dialogue, image and storyline. HxH and FMAB have not been able to do this. So yes, jujutsu kaisen is on groundbreaking terrain. No doubt. I hope other people follow in the steps of anyone involved with the likes of AoT and Jujutsu. |
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Kiyotaka696 said: ? I mean you have watched AoT (the most populer anime) and it doesn't do that. In fact only fairy tale and fire force do it. Is there even another anime that do it? Yes.. of course. Its IS uncommon for an action shounen to not have fanservise. There are shows that don't have any fanservise but not many. Naruto, Hero academia, One Piece, Black Clover, Assassination classroom, Dragon Ball are the exampleso of shows with fanservise. |
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Reshiram_IX said: I believe that was sarcasm That's why I said they failed on multiple levels. Both seriously and sarcastically. If they're being sarcastic they're saying: "No OP, there's been tons of non-sexualized battle shonen just like DB" Sarcasm has to actually make sense lol. Also the fact they can't name an old shonen other than DB is pretty ironic. |
Tirihas said: I think you missed the joke. Dragon Ball does sexualize its female charactersReshiram_IX said: I believe that was sarcasm That's why I said they failed on multiple levels. Both seriously and sarcastically. If they're being sarcastic they're saying: "No OP, there's been tons of non-sexualized battle shonen just like DB" Sarcasm has to actually make sense lol. Also the fact they can't name an old shonen other than DB is pretty ironic. |
Reshiram_IX said: I think you missed the joke. Dragon Ball does sexualize its female characters So you're saying they're mocking both OP and themselves? That's a lot of credit. |
| Thank you op, you've convinced me to not watch it. No sexy girls = bad. |
MoonDragon72 said: Lol, dude have you even watched Dragon Ball? There are countless fanservice scenes of Bulma Lol I was only using DB as a way to sarcastically agree with OP that in 35 years of popular battle shounen anime, Jujutsu Kaisen is the very first to not sexualize its female characters, which is obviously...not true. Perhaps I should have used Fist of the North Star for a better point in time, but DB was the 1st that popped up in my mind. |
MoonDragon72 said: Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter x Hunter, Demon Slayer, and (for the most part) Gintama are the only other ones I can think that aren't overly sexualizing its female characters. I've said this before, but JJK is so refreshing especially when it comes to this. There are many more than those you mention so Jujutsu Kaisen isn't really refreshing at anything in this. |
SoldierDream said: MoonDragon72 said: Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter x Hunter, Demon Slayer, and (for the most part) Gintama are the only other ones I can think that aren't overly sexualizing its female characters. I've said this before, but JJK is so refreshing especially when it comes to this. There are many more than those you mention so Jujutsu Kaisen isn't really refreshing at anything in this. Series such as...? |
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Tirihas said: SoldierDream said: There are many more than those you mention so Jujutsu Kaisen isn't really refreshing at anything in this. Series such as...? Attack on titan, Death note, HxH, Demon Slayer, Gintama, Mob psycho, Promised Neverland, FMAB, Jojo, Assasination Classroom, Samurai Champloo, Dororo, Magi, Kekkai Sensen, ... I'd say that there are more popular shounens not sexualizing female characters than there are ones that do. |
ReegrezSNK said: Attack on titan, Death note, HxH, Demon Slayer, Gintama, Mob psycho, Promised Neverland, FMAB, Jojo, Assasination Classroom, Samurai Champloo, Dororo, Magi, Kekkai Sensen, ... I'd say that there are more popular shounens not sexualizing female characters than there are ones that do. You could have let @SoldierDream answer. I wanted to see if they could back up their words. Death Note, Magi,Demon slayer, AssClass and Jojo has no fanservice?? LMAO did you even watch/read them? I haven't read Gintama, dororo and Samurai champloo but you're not giving me reason to trust your word. More shonen don't sexualize female characters? Haha yeah right. Shonen authors are actively encourged to add fanservice to their works if they're not doing well. It's as normalized as tournament arcs. |
Tirihas said: ReegrezSNK said: Attack on titan, Death note, HxH, Demon Slayer, Gintama, Mob psycho, Promised Neverland, FMAB, Jojo, Assasination Classroom, Samurai Champloo, Dororo, Magi, Kekkai Sensen, ... I'd say that there are more popular shounens not sexualizing female characters than there are ones that do. You could have let @SoldierDream answer. I wanted to see if they could back up their words. Death Note, Magi,Demon slayer, AssClass and Jojo has no fanservice?? LMAO did you even watch/read them? I haven't read Gintama, dororo and Samurai champloo but you're not giving me reason to trust your word. More shonen don't sexualize female characters? Haha yeah right. Shonen authors are actively encourged to add fanservice to their works if they're not doing well. It's as normalized as tournament arcs. All I know is most popular and well rated don't have fanservice like Hxh, FMAB, Demon Slayer first season + movie ( I didn't read manga), AOT, Promised Neverland, its not my foult Japanese people have cringe taste. Also I am not sure we talk about obivious sexualize like Fire force for example or we treat Magi as fanservice, if we do we could also say every tv series or movie sexualize female characters too. |
| Yeah man let's ignore the borderline rape fetish in episode 1. Zoom-in on demon groping a schoolgirl's tits. Disgustang. Let's ignore our first introduction of Nobara in episode 2, we were treated to a zoom-in on her massive boobs. Sure, no nudity and completely covered, but emphasized on and clearly there. And the only reason the author didn't include fanservice is because his parents read the manga. His own words. If there's one thing JJK doesn't deserve its praise for, it's the handling of female characters. So overrated just because there are no fanservice shots and gags. |
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ReegrezSNK said: All I know is most popular and well rated don't have fanservice like Hxh, FMAB, Demon Slayer first season + movie ( I didn't read manga), AOT, Promised Neverland, its not my foult Japanese people have cringe taste. Also I am not sure we talk about obivious sexualize like Fire force for example or we treat Magi as fanservice, if we do we could also say every tv series or movie sexualize female characters too. I must of missed every tv show and movie that did this. Or this. Or this. Or this. OR THIS. |
Tirihas said: ReegrezSNK said: All I know is most popular and well rated don't have fanservice like Hxh, FMAB, Demon Slayer first season + movie ( I didn't read manga), AOT, Promised Neverland, its not my foult Japanese people have cringe taste. Also I am not sure we talk about obivious sexualize like Fire force for example or we treat Magi as fanservice, if we do we could also say every tv series or movie sexualize female characters too. I must of missed every tv show and movie that did this. Or this. Or this. Or this. OR THIS. I watched it 6 years ago, after these clips I understand why I forgot this show, anyway, you are right in magi case. Anyway there are a lot of good shounen shows without fanservice or atleast cringe fanservice like the examples you showed here. Edit. Maybe you gonna ask for examples so I can say most of the top rated by the anime community shounen shows like: Attack on titan, FMAB, HxH, Promised Neverland, Demon Slayer ( first season and movie), JJK now, Mob psycho, Gintama, sports shounen like Haikyuu or Kuroko no basket have female sexualization? I don't watch them so can't answer maybe you know, also I would stick with Death note I don't remember fanservice apart from Misa dress style but it was explained. Also I don't find fanservice in One Piece or naruto cringe like Fire Force, or this stuff from Magi, maybe its just me. |
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Tirihas said: SoldierDream said: There are many more than those you mention so Jujutsu Kaisen isn't really refreshing at anything in this. Series such as...? Captain Tsubasa, Saint Seiya, Dragon Ball Z and GT (original is the only one that does it but in an innocent way), Yu Yu Hakusho, Slam Dunk, Detective Conan, Rurouni Kenshin, Pokemon series, Digimon series (except Frontier which had 1 controversial moment), Hunter x Hunter and 2011, Shaman King, Naruto (sexy jutsu doesn't really count), Fullmetal Alchemist (Lust doesn't count because obvious reasons) and Brotherhood, Death Note, Saint Seiya Lost Canvas, Inazuma Eleven, Attack on Titan, Haikyuu, Assasination Classroom, Mob Psycho, Dr. Stone, among others I'm probably forgetting or I haven't seen yet. Not a small, negligible group at all I'd say. |
ReegrezSNK said: I watched it 6 years ago, after these clips I understand why I forgot this show, anyway, you are right in magi case. Anyway there are a lot of good shounen shows without fanservice or atleast cringe fanservice like the examples you showed here. Edit. Maybe you gonna ask for examples so I can say most of the top rated by the anime community shounen shows like: Attack on titan, FMAB, HxH, Promised Neverland, Demon Slayer ( first season and movie), JJK now, Mob psycho, Gintama, sports shounen like Haikyuu or Kuroko no basket have female sexualization? I don't watch them so can't answer maybe you know, also I would stick with Death note I don't remember fanservice apart from Misa dress style but it was explained. Also I don't find fanservice in One Piece or naruto cringe like Fire Force, or this stuff from Magi, maybe its just me. Sure. The OP is definitely exaggerating. JJK isn't the only shonen with no fanservice. It's just a really good one that deserves it's praise for it's female characters. Speaking of which: @Kaasfondue those were anime additions. The author's only drawn a half-nude Mei Mei on a cover. Which means he was joking about his parents and just doesn't like to sexualize his female characters. If you're wondering why he's getting so much praise for his female characters it's because he's a male shonen writer who's female characters don't suck. Gege avoids annoying tropes, creates layered female characters that can't be stereotyped and are total badasses in their fights. Heck wait for the season finale, Nobara's about to pop off. |
SoldierDream said: Captain Tsubasa, Saint Seiya, Dragon Ball Z and GT (original is the only one that does it but in an innocent way), Yu Yu Hakusho, Slam Dunk, Detective Conan, Rurouni Kenshin, Pokemon series, Digimon series (except Frontier which had 1 controversial moment), Hunter x Hunter and 2011, Shaman King, Naruto (sexy jutsu doesn't really count), Fullmetal Alchemist (Lust doesn't count because obvious reasons) and Brotherhood, Death Note, Saint Seiya Lost Canvas, Inazuma Eleven, Attack on Titan, Haikyuu, Assasination Classroom, Mob Psycho, Dr. Stone, among others I'm probably forgetting or I haven't seen yet. Not a small, negligible group at all I'd say. If you consider Bulma flashing Roshi in Dragon ball "innocent" I don't want to know what you consider "indecent" lol. Sure it's a nice list. Take out Dr. Stone, Naruto, Digimon, AssClass and Death note though. |
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MoonDragon72 said: hehehe, you forgot attack on Titan. You are on forums of AOT consistently but forgot about that.Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter x Hunter, Demon Slayer, and (for the most part) Gintama are the only other ones I can think that aren't overly sexualizing its female characters. I've said this before, but JJK is so refreshing especially when it comes to this. |
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Tirihas said: There’s also Your Lie in April, Koe no Katachi, The Ancient Magus Bride, D.Gray Man, Seraph of the End (?), Bakuman, & Horimiya . That’s if we’re looking at Shounen as a genre and not where it was serialized. There’s also To Your Eternity that’s gonna come out this season. If you look there’s actually quite a lot of them out there. I guess it says more on what OP is watching than anything. Also Shounen’s target audience is young males. If you go over to the Shoujo side of things you’ll find that almost all the big names sexualize malesReegrezSNK said: Attack on titan, Death note, HxH, Demon Slayer, Gintama, Mob psycho, Promised Neverland, FMAB, Jojo, Assasination Classroom, Samurai Champloo, Dororo, Magi, Kekkai Sensen, ... I'd say that there are more popular shounens not sexualizing female characters than there are ones that do. You could have let @SoldierDream answer. I wanted to see if they could back up their words. Death Note, Magi,Demon slayer, AssClass and Jojo has no fanservice?? LMAO did you even watch/read them? I haven't read Gintama, dororo and Samurai champloo but you're not giving me reason to trust your word. More shonen don't sexualize female characters? Haha yeah right. Shonen authors are actively encourged to add fanservice to their works if they're not doing well. It's as normalized as tournament arcs. |
Reshiram_IXMar 23, 2021 10:46 PM
Tirihas said: If you consider Bulma flashing Roshi in Dragon ball "innocent" I don't want to know what you consider "indecent" lol. It's innocent because the general tone of the series is innocent. Why? Where's the female sexualization in these series? Please don't tell me you consider sexy jutsu as female sexualization. It's just a dumb joke to adults from pre-teens. |
| I also have Attack on titan as an example. Tirihas said: Sure it's a nice list. Take out Dr. Stone, Naruto, Digimon, AssClass and Death note though. I've never watched Naruto,Assassination classroom but how tf does Digimon and Death note oversexualize females?Especially Digimon it's literally a kid's show.I can understand Dr stone cuz it' shows a couple of close up Beasts shots but we can't really count it as it doesn't ruin any crucial moment of any scene also those scene appear only a couple of seconds that's it.I guess you misunderstood the meaning of "Oversexualizing". |
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Stormen said: And what a win right? Instead of sexualizing its females its sexualizing the men. How? Haven't seen the show yet just curious.. |
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SoldierDream said: Why? Where's the female sexualization in these series? Please don't tell me you consider sexy jutsu as female sexualization. It's just a dumb joke to adults from pre-teens. Eh, I'd say Tsunade is sexualised to a degree but she's also an adult. The women Jiraiya peeps on also count. However, none of the underage characters are sexualised and also all wear sensible outfits. |
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