Understanding Gabi

Luculus said:
Couldn‘t have said it better myself. Fuck the Gabi haters, she may be wrong but she has her reason

Taltibalti said:
Is it possible to simultaneously understand and hate someone? Not that I hate her, I just find her whole character arc uninteresting.

Gator said:
Back then the Marley "special forces" sneak attacked Paradise and killed almost only civilians. This time Marley openly declared war on them before they got sneak attacked themselves and Eren and the gang focused their attacks mostly on soldiers.
You can't compare those situations, both times Marley was the aggressor so obviously we root for the defenders.

Roronoa said:
I mean Falco has also been brainwashed but he at least tried to understand what the Eldians were going through despite not knowing anything. Even if they acknowledged this, Gabi is still used as a plot device to further conflict and her character being extremely dislikeable makes it frustrating with her logic and actions. Supposedly everything is excused CUZ SHE BRAINWASHED KEK

Roronoa said:
I mean Falco has also been brainwashed but he at least tried to understand what the Eldians were going through despite not knowing anything. Even if they acknowledged this, Gabi is still used as a plot device to further conflict and her character being extremely dislikeable makes it frustrating with her logic and actions. Supposedly everything is excused CUZ SHE BRAINWASHED KEK

Reckert said:


The key of importance is Gabi's and Eren's perspectives and motivations throughout each, I'm not talking about marley or the higher power or who's right or wrong that's not the point. Her town just became a battlefield and both her friends are dead by the hands of people she believes to be absolute evil. (let's not forget that thanks to Armin's colossal nuke there where pobably more civilan casualties that military btw).

Gator said:

Yes but her town became a battlefield after her country's military, she's a part of, declared war on the other country. She already had seen these people as devils before she even met one. Eren was completely innocent as a child, he and his family had no military experience. And without even a declaration of war from their, back then still unknown, enemy got attacked and killed. And he did not even swear to kill other humans, but monsters. Their motivation is very different in my humble opinion.

Gorilla-2004 said:

Bro Falco was never brainwashed, his family is literally the opposite of the Braun family, remember his uncle was Grisha's friend and one of the restorationists,so most likely the rest of his family also has a similar ideology as the restorationists and only had their kids become warriors so they would prove their "loyalty", Falco never lived under the same environment as Gabi, Falco was never brainwashed, meanwhile the Braun family literally teach all their kids every day ever since their birth that the walldians are devils, Gabi was much more brainwashed, know the difference.

Reckert said:


Hmm I've never thought of that, I guess it would make sense why he's less inclined to war than the other kids. He could have been raised in a less extreme household than Gabi. I'm sure he did still believe the "devils koo-laid" to an extent though.

Luculus said:


Yea I get that, but as you said most people hate her without trying to understand her. If you hate Gabi for killing Sasha but don‘t hate Eren for killing innocent children you‘re kinda a hypocrite

I‘m not speaking directly to you but to everyone reading, hope that was understandable lmao

Brokenxwing said:


That's my take on it too. It drives me nuts how many fans are so quick to defend Eren and the terrible shit he does I've gotten into some pretty heated debates with Eren fans who've tried to justify killing civillains. It's disturbing how many in the fandom would probably be if they existed in the AoT universe. I've literally had people defend I've read ahead with the manga, so that's the reason for so many spoiler tags, FYI.

Gorilla-2004 said:

Bro Falco was never brainwashed, his family is literally the opposite of the Braun family, remember his uncle was Grisha's friend and one of the restorationists,so most likely the rest of his family also has a similar ideology as the restorationists and only had their kids become warriors so they would prove their "loyalty", Falco never lived under the same environment as Gabi, Falco was never brainwashed, meanwhile the Braun family literally teach all their kids every day ever since their birth that the walldians are devils, Gabi was much more brainwashed, know the difference.

Taltibalti said:

I'm gonna add to his statement. The grice family has no choice but to become warriors if they want to keep their family safe. Falco and his brother Colt were never indoctrinated to the extreme like Gabi. Falco's state of mind is easy to read but what fascinates me is Colt. He isn't easy to read but the hints are there.

Colt doesn't care about Marley or the warrior program he only cares about his younger brother Falco. He doesn't want Falco to become a titan(A violation that undermines the whole warrior program) and there are two cases in which this can be seen. In episode 2 he riled up all the Eldians on the train to celebrate Gabi's feats during the war. He put Gabi on a pedestal to make sure she becomes the armoured titan. Later in the episode when everyone was cheering on Falco for beating Gabi in a race, Colt talked down Falco and shifted the attention towards Gabi as the one who should inherit the armor. Maybe it's the brother in me, but he really only cares about Falco in the cruel world they live in.

Not every Marleyen is brainwashed to be anti-Paradis. It's just that they have to keep a facade and follow the rules if they want to keep their family safe.

Taltibalti said:

I do not agree with Eren and I believe his actions are irredeemable. However, I do understand why he is doing what he is.
What is your stance on the situation?

Brokenxwing said:


I don't agree with him either and find it irredeemable as well. Honestly, I'm not sure what to think, because of how the story is written. I feel like there has to be a better way than what's to come, but I'm not sure how to achieve it. I don't like Eren, personally. I used to. But due to the final two arcs, I came to realize how much I dislike his personality and the things he does. I personally like Falco, and feel like he represents what I would want to be. Someone who understands that there's good people on both sides, and doesn't want all this war, death, and destruction. Gabi's character development is also pretty good if you ask me. It's been done before, yeah. But it works for me. I actually really like that the story shifts to Falco and Gabi the way it does here because it gives us a viewpoint of the other side. This arc would NOT work so well if they hadn't shifted to the Eldian/Marleyian perspective. This is what made the beginning part of Tokyo Ghoul :re also really great in my opinion too. The shift to the other side allows you to empathize with the "enemy" and realize there's good people on both sides of a conflict. I recently just watched Vinland Saga, and I really liked the line "You have no enemies. No one in the world is your enemy. There is no one you need to hurt." I guess I empathize with this kind of pacifistic ideology. But it also acknowledges the idea that "sides" don't exist, and people are just people, war dehumanizes people into groups, into "enemies". And people side with their group and hate the other. It's all so tribalistic.