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Jan 14, 2021 10:59 PM
#1
I see many of you complaining, even crying and wailing for CGI, so here's a thing or two from a biology student who knows a thing or two about the brain, The first thing that'll come into your mind, what does biology have to do with this???! Okay so, in simple words no details: Your brain gets used to seeing stuff and aot CGI isnt bad at all so it will eventually get used to it and when you rewatch the series you wont be complaining as much due to your brain getting used to it. I'm a living proof of this. I was feeling as uncomfortable as those CGI complainers when I first started watching movies with real actors 2 years ago, but my brain got used to it, because it wasn't bad. It's all about your brain getting used to it. Your brain is used to 2D, thats why you can accept it easily. CGI is amazing. Armored Titan reiner episode 1 CGI made my eyes drool. edit: why did the second page evolve into such a meaningless drama? is this the extent of the great Shingeki no Kyojin fandom, where we represent the fandom of a story of perspectives with not hero and villain no protagonist and antagonist? Really? Do any of you who argue meaninglesly with no purpose to hear the other actually enjoy Shingeki no Kyojin to the fullest? Did you even get anything morally educational out of it? Just saying that i'm not talking about everyone on the second page, if you felt you've spoken properly then you've spoken properly. you're to judge if i'm talking about you or not in this edit, while the purpose of writing this isn't to target specific people. |
KyxorJan 15, 2021 9:24 AM
Jan 14, 2021 11:09 PM
#2
If I need to watch it repeatedly to get used to it, doesn't that mean its not too good? |
Jan 14, 2021 11:15 PM
#3
Vague0 said: If I need to watch it repeatedly to get used to it, doesn't that mean its not too good? or u could be not used to it |
Jan 14, 2021 11:25 PM
#4
Krugerman said: Vague0 said: If I need to watch it repeatedly to get used to it, doesn't that mean its not too good? or u could be not used to it I have no problem with the cgi in fate series tho. |
Jan 14, 2021 11:28 PM
#5
Vague0 said: If I need to watch it repeatedly to get used to it, doesn't that mean its not too good? His points isnt about "its no good" but "my brain didnt/havent accepted this yet" due to your preference which is come from your brain/ego alone. And that's of course temporary. The CGI of AoT objectively isnt that bad as peoples complained so the main problem of this is just OP mentioned above. |
Jan 14, 2021 11:28 PM
#6
Vague0 said: Krugerman said: Vague0 said: If I need to watch it repeatedly to get used to it, doesn't that mean its not too good? or u could be not used to it I have no problem with the cgi in fate series tho. CG in fate and CG in MAPPA is diff, also Ufotable has movie budget and schedule for fate and so it's unfair comparison and from what I know Fate didn't have CG humans or whatever monsters there were? |
Jan 14, 2021 11:29 PM
#7
Vague0 said: yeah that's cause we never saw that cg in 2d before, but this is a shift from 2d to cg, so problems are mostly with not getting used. And honestly after everything we saw so far, only the beast titan's cg seems to be a little too jarring, all the other cg are great cg. not to mention, Reiner's armoured looked great in that night shot in ep 3Krugerman said: Vague0 said: If I need to watch it repeatedly to get used to it, doesn't that mean its not too good? or u could be not used to it I have no problem with the cgi in fate series tho. |
Jan 14, 2021 11:31 PM
#8
Vague0 said: If I need to watch it repeatedly to get used to it, doesn't that mean its not too good? Vague0 said: If I need to watch it repeatedly to get used to it, doesn't that mean its not too good? i get where you're coming from, but it was the same for me watching movies with real actors. it felt sooooooo weird despite watching more than 10 episodes of 50 minutes, recently i got used to it. i still preffer anime tho cause lighting and face expressions. |
Jan 14, 2021 11:48 PM
#9
That’s not true. The problem is that it’s 3D pasted over 2D so it looks bad. CGI is great if it was stand-alone but over the anime it’s not. I’ve watched some chinese anime and they’re 3D and it’s not that bad because everything else is also in 3D. |
Jan 15, 2021 12:05 AM
#10
Roger1 said: That’s not true. The problem is that it’s 3D pasted over 2D so it looks bad. It's only your opinion I watched similar animations before so I have no problem with MAPPA's 3d characters on 2d backgrounds They don't look bad for me |
Jan 15, 2021 12:17 AM
#11
Roger1 said: That’s not true. The problem is that it’s 3D pasted over 2D so it looks bad. CGI is great if it was stand-alone but over the anime it’s not. I’ve watched some chinese anime and they’re 3D and it’s not that bad because everything else is also in 3D. idk if you realised that but many buildings in S1-3 were CGI as well as the forest of giant trees on some scenes. so i don't see the how foreground CGI can't work with 2D backgrounds like 2D foreground works with CGI background |
Jan 15, 2021 12:21 AM
#12
Kyxor said: It def will. Like ep 1 of this season is the best example.Roger1 said: That’s not true. The problem is that it’s 3D pasted over 2D so it looks bad. CGI is great if it was stand-alone but over the anime it’s not. I’ve watched some chinese anime and they’re 3D and it’s not that bad because everything else is also in 3D. idk if you realised that but many buildings in S1-3 were CGI as well as the forest of giant trees on some scenes. so i don't see the how foreground CGI can't work with 2D backgrounds like 2D foreground works with CGI background |
Jan 15, 2021 12:34 AM
#13
I like cgi But berserk and kingdom season 1 still seems pretty bad |
Jan 15, 2021 12:36 AM
#14
Vague0 said: what fate cgi? If it's the film trilogy then it's only slightly better and mostly due to that having a movie budget. Krugerman said: Vague0 said: If I need to watch it repeatedly to get used to it, doesn't that mean its not too good? or u could be not used to it I have no problem with the cgi in fate series tho. |
Jan 15, 2021 12:36 AM
#15
Dorohedoro (since its the most latest) is a good example of great cg if it is done right |
Jan 15, 2021 12:38 AM
#16
Berserk CGI was horrible from the what i've seen and kingdom season 1 idk been years since i've seen it but i remember it as bad, but yeah aot CGI is far superior to all CGI i've seen so far. |
Jan 15, 2021 12:39 AM
#17
man i don’t get the cgi hate, its not that bad to me. I just feel like you all just love to hate on it or something. |
Jan 15, 2021 12:49 AM
#18
yuilyjaegar7 said: man i don’t get the cgi hate, its not that bad to me. I just feel like you all just love to hate on it or something. this thread is to end the (good) CGI hate. with science, in case it wasn't clear enough. Shingeki no Kyojin has good CGI. |
Jan 15, 2021 12:57 AM
#19
'CGI is amazing'. Doesn't mean shit compared to 2D animation. The CGI might be good compared to CGI used in anime, doesn't mean it's as good as good 2D animation in the slightest. Comparing CGI backgrounds to moving titans is just a horrible take as well and makes zero sense. Integration is completely different. Trying to match the frame rate in implemented CGI usually always fails. Moving CGI in general requires much higher budgets and time to look good. And trying to integrate it in anime to look anywhere near 2D quality requires heavy rotoscoping done well. Houseki no Kuni looks great despite being entirely CGI due to great integration. Dorohedoro looks good but still lacks compared to any great 2D sequences in anime |
PrasantGrGJan 15, 2021 1:00 AM
Jan 15, 2021 1:02 AM
#20
Kyxor said: Roger1 said: That’s not true. The problem is that it’s 3D pasted over 2D so it looks bad. CGI is great if it was stand-alone but over the anime it’s not. I’ve watched some chinese anime and they’re 3D and it’s not that bad because everything else is also in 3D. idk if you realised that but many buildings in S1-3 were CGI as well as the forest of giant trees on some scenes. so i don't see the how foreground CGI can't work with 2D backgrounds like 2D foreground works with CGI background It doesn’t work that way maybe because of how mappa is doing it? Just cause 2D works with 3D background doesn’t mean 3D will work with 2D backgrounds. You’re using science to say we aren’t used to CGI but when we say we are but AOT S4 CGI still looks bad with how they’re doing it, you can’t back your claims. |
Jan 15, 2021 1:04 AM
#21
Kyxor said: Berserk CGI was horrible from the what i've seen and kingdom season 1 idk been years since i've seen it but i remember it as bad, but yeah aot CGI is far superior to all CGI i've seen so far. lmao, you think a bunch of science theories or whatever are gonna change their opinions about cgi?? No matter how good the cgi is, it’ll always be hated. |
Jan 15, 2021 1:06 AM
#22
PrasantGrG said: 'Biology student' Born 2003. Unless you skipped multiple years you're barely in college. 'CGI is amazing'. Doesn't mean shit compared to 2D animation. The CGI might be good compared to CGI used in anime, doesn't mean it's as good as good 2D animation in the slightest. Comparing CGI backgrounds to moving titans is just a horrible take as well and makes zero sense. Integration is completely different. Trying to match the frame rate in implemented CGI usually always fails. Moving CGI in general requires much higher budgets and time to look good. And trying to integrate it in anime to look anywhere near 2D quality requires heavy rotoscoping done well. Houseki no Kuni looks great despite being entirely CGI due to great integration. Dorohedoro looks good but still lacks compared to any great 2D sequences in anime yeah, born in 2003, 17 years old, highschool senior, I do biology, making me a biology student. i didn't throw any dangerous life threatening medical advice that a karen would, just something i picked up from neurological system tests. 2D animation is indeed more dynamic but the scene with Reiner's titan felt dynamic as it would be if it was 2D for me. Foreground CGI can be as good as background CGI,if not now (which isn't as good now, but close.), then in the future it will certainly be CGI so far in the fourth season didn't seem rotoscoped at all to me personally, episode two which didn't have CGI (i think? didn't pick up any CGI at all) had most rotoscoping. Houseki no kuni in my to watch list, it indeed looks amazing and better than some (around 30%,low budgeted ones.) 2D anime's that i shall leave unnamed for avoiding dramatical reasons. I look forward to watching it and appreciating CGI more! |
Jan 15, 2021 1:10 AM
#23
Kyxor said: Yo, take a look at this:PrasantGrG said: 'Biology student' Born 2003. Unless you skipped multiple years you're barely in college. 'CGI is amazing'. Doesn't mean shit compared to 2D animation. The CGI might be good compared to CGI used in anime, doesn't mean it's as good as good 2D animation in the slightest. Comparing CGI backgrounds to moving titans is just a horrible take as well and makes zero sense. Integration is completely different. Trying to match the frame rate in implemented CGI usually always fails. Moving CGI in general requires much higher budgets and time to look good. And trying to integrate it in anime to look anywhere near 2D quality requires heavy rotoscoping done well. Houseki no Kuni looks great despite being entirely CGI due to great integration. Dorohedoro looks good but still lacks compared to any great 2D sequences in anime yeah, born in 2003, 17 years old, highschool senior, I do biology, making me a biology student. i didn't throw any dangerous life threatening medical advice that a karen would, just something i picked up from neurological system tests. 2D animation is indeed more dynamic but the scene with Reiner's titan felt dynamic as it would be if it was 2D for me. Foreground CGI can be as good as background CGI,if not now (which isn't as good now, but close.), then in the future it will certainly be CGI so far in the fourth season didn't seem rotoscoped at all to me personally, episode two which didn't have CGI (i think? didn't pick up any CGI at all) had most rotoscoping. Houseki no kuni in my to watch list, it indeed looks amazing and better than some (around 30%,low budgeted ones.) 2D anime's that i shall leave unnamed for avoiding dramatical reasons. I look forward to watching it and appreciating CGI more! https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/kxog7u/until_my_haters_are_destroyed_mappa_studios/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf |
Jan 15, 2021 1:11 AM
#24
Roger1 said: Kyxor said: Roger1 said: That’s not true. The problem is that it’s 3D pasted over 2D so it looks bad. CGI is great if it was stand-alone but over the anime it’s not. I’ve watched some chinese anime and they’re 3D and it’s not that bad because everything else is also in 3D. idk if you realised that but many buildings in S1-3 were CGI as well as the forest of giant trees on some scenes. so i don't see the how foreground CGI can't work with 2D backgrounds like 2D foreground works with CGI background It doesn’t work that way maybe because of how mappa is doing it? Just cause 2D works with 3D background doesn’t mean 3D will work with 2D backgrounds. You’re using science to say we aren’t used to CGI but when we say we are but AOT S4 CGI still looks bad with how they’re doing it, you can’t back your claims. '' maybe because of how mappa is doing it?'' how is mappa doing it, for you? as i stated the above, if foreground CGI isn't as good (it isn't, but it's still pretty good to my eyes) as background CGI at this moment, it will be in the future. |
Jan 15, 2021 1:15 AM
#25
yuilyjaegar7 said: Kyxor said: Yo, take a look at this:PrasantGrG said: 'Biology student' Born 2003. Unless you skipped multiple years you're barely in college. 'CGI is amazing'. Doesn't mean shit compared to 2D animation. The CGI might be good compared to CGI used in anime, doesn't mean it's as good as good 2D animation in the slightest. Comparing CGI backgrounds to moving titans is just a horrible take as well and makes zero sense. Integration is completely different. Trying to match the frame rate in implemented CGI usually always fails. Moving CGI in general requires much higher budgets and time to look good. And trying to integrate it in anime to look anywhere near 2D quality requires heavy rotoscoping done well. Houseki no Kuni looks great despite being entirely CGI due to great integration. Dorohedoro looks good but still lacks compared to any great 2D sequences in anime yeah, born in 2003, 17 years old, highschool senior, I do biology, making me a biology student. i didn't throw any dangerous life threatening medical advice that a karen would, just something i picked up from neurological system tests. 2D animation is indeed more dynamic but the scene with Reiner's titan felt dynamic as it would be if it was 2D for me. Foreground CGI can be as good as background CGI,if not now (which isn't as good now, but close.), then in the future it will certainly be CGI so far in the fourth season didn't seem rotoscoped at all to me personally, episode two which didn't have CGI (i think? didn't pick up any CGI at all) had most rotoscoping. Houseki no kuni in my to watch list, it indeed looks amazing and better than some (around 30%,low budgeted ones.) 2D anime's that i shall leave unnamed for avoiding dramatical reasons. I look forward to watching it and appreciating CGI more! https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/kxog7u/until_my_haters_are_destroyed_mappa_studios/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Hhahah! that was great xD that's the alternate scenario where i actually side with eren rather than disagree with his action lol anyways stan both wit and mappa studios, cuz studio change for s4 adds more to the change of vibe to Shingeki no Kyojin, after all it is now a different Shingeki no Kyojin, since the ''Shingeki'' is now different |
Jan 15, 2021 1:18 AM
#26
yuilyjaegar7 said: Kyxor said: Berserk CGI was horrible from the what i've seen and kingdom season 1 idk been years since i've seen it but i remember it as bad, but yeah aot CGI is far superior to all CGI i've seen so far. lmao, you think a bunch of science theories or whatever are gonna change their opinions about cgi?? No matter how good the cgi is, it’ll always be hated. it isn't a science theory tho, it is true and proven as far as am concerned as it worked on a self-experiment and biology books cover it. I know it will always be hated like everything is, i just wanna reduce it cause I want to soften the next ''Attack on Mappa'' twitter threats. I'm tired of seeing entitled people thinking that they know better than the staff. |
Jan 15, 2021 1:26 AM
#27
Kyxor said: Roger1 said: Kyxor said: Roger1 said: That’s not true. The problem is that it’s 3D pasted over 2D so it looks bad. CGI is great if it was stand-alone but over the anime it’s not. I’ve watched some chinese anime and they’re 3D and it’s not that bad because everything else is also in 3D. idk if you realised that but many buildings in S1-3 were CGI as well as the forest of giant trees on some scenes. so i don't see the how foreground CGI can't work with 2D backgrounds like 2D foreground works with CGI background It doesn’t work that way maybe because of how mappa is doing it? Just cause 2D works with 3D background doesn’t mean 3D will work with 2D backgrounds. You’re using science to say we aren’t used to CGI but when we say we are but AOT S4 CGI still looks bad with how they’re doing it, you can’t back your claims. '' maybe because of how mappa is doing it?'' how is mappa doing it, for you? as i stated the above, if foreground CGI isn't as good (it isn't, but it's still pretty good to my eyes) as background CGI at this moment, it will be in the future. It looks like a 3D model out of place in a 2D world like when you use fake background in Zoom. CGI titans look great alone but looking at it as a whole, it doesn’t. Yah it may get better in the future but as of not, it isn’t. I don’t hate CGI if it fits like how chinese anime are doing it but unfortunately, it doesn’t in aot. I can’t spoil here but imagining the final acts of the story in CGI titans and everything else in 2D looks horrible. |
Jan 15, 2021 1:29 AM
#28
Kyxor said: CGI so far in the fourth season didn't seem rotoscoped at all to me personally, episode two which didn't have CGI (i think? didn't pick up any CGI at all) had most rotoscoping. I was mentioning here that usually the best use of CGI would be to model for rotoscoping. The rotoscoping in episode 2 was done using either a real person model or CGI. Can't tell for sure though. There are multiple examples of Mecha anime using rotoscoping over CGI models however which look great |
Jan 15, 2021 1:33 AM
#29
Roger1 said: Kyxor said: Roger1 said: Kyxor said: Roger1 said: That’s not true. The problem is that it’s 3D pasted over 2D so it looks bad. CGI is great if it was stand-alone but over the anime it’s not. I’ve watched some chinese anime and they’re 3D and it’s not that bad because everything else is also in 3D. idk if you realised that but many buildings in S1-3 were CGI as well as the forest of giant trees on some scenes. so i don't see the how foreground CGI can't work with 2D backgrounds like 2D foreground works with CGI background It doesn’t work that way maybe because of how mappa is doing it? Just cause 2D works with 3D background doesn’t mean 3D will work with 2D backgrounds. You’re using science to say we aren’t used to CGI but when we say we are but AOT S4 CGI still looks bad with how they’re doing it, you can’t back your claims. '' maybe because of how mappa is doing it?'' how is mappa doing it, for you? as i stated the above, if foreground CGI isn't as good (it isn't, but it's still pretty good to my eyes) as background CGI at this moment, it will be in the future. It looks like a 3D model out of place in a 2D world like when you use fake background in Zoom. CGI titans look great alone but looking at it as a whole, it doesn’t. Yah it may get better in the future but as of not, it isn’t. I don’t hate CGI if it fits like how chinese anime are doing it but unfortunately, it doesn’t in aot. I can’t spoil here but imagining the final acts of the story in CGI titans and everything else in 2D looks horrible. Personal thoughts on the final act, the titans will move in a manner that i've seen in a specific movie which i would like to not mention for i don't wanna set expecations to people like they had with the OST of the Declaration of War. They MAY( have more time to cover the final episodes, after all 17 chapters might be less than 10 episodes. |
Jan 15, 2021 1:59 AM
#30
PrasantGrG said: Kyxor said: CGI so far in the fourth season didn't seem rotoscoped at all to me personally, episode two which didn't have CGI (i think? didn't pick up any CGI at all) had most rotoscoping. I was mentioning here that usually the best use of CGI would be to model for rotoscoping. The rotoscoping in episode 2 was done using either a real person model or CGI. Can't tell for sure though. There are multiple examples of Mecha anime using rotoscoping over CGI models however which look great haven't watched any mecha anime other than evangelion so i can't have an opinion on rotoscoping over CGI, although i believe that the episode 2 was rotoscoped from CGI? i don't know for sure so i cannot judge |
Jan 15, 2021 2:51 AM
#31
yuilyjaegar7 said: Kyxor said: Berserk CGI was horrible from the what i've seen and kingdom season 1 idk been years since i've seen it but i remember it as bad, but yeah aot CGI is far superior to all CGI i've seen so far. lmao, you think a bunch of science theories or whatever are gonna change their opinions about cgi?? No matter how good the cgi is, it’ll always be hated. The thing is i actually prefer a cgi titans except monkey titan and i enjoy the movement which are done by cgi Like armored titan |
Jan 15, 2021 2:54 AM
#32
OP wtf? what happens in the case of those who watch anime with barely unnoticeable cgi. how can you explain them when they get annoyed at the cgi. not everyone is the same as you lmao. |
Jan 15, 2021 3:14 AM
#33
Kyxor said: I see many of you complaining, even crying and wailing for CGI, so here's a thing or two from a biology student who knows a thing or two about the brain, The first thing that'll come into your mind, what does biology have to do with this???! Okay so, in simple words no details: Your brain gets used to seeing stuff and aot CGI isnt bad at all so it will eventually get used to it and when you rewatch the series you wont be complaining as much due to your brain getting used to it. I'm a living proof of this. I was feeling as uncomfortable as those CGI complainers when I first started watching movies with real actors 2 years ago, but my brain got used to it, because it wasn't bad. It's all about your brain getting used to it. Your brain is used to 2D, thats why you can accept it easily. CGI is amazing. Armored Titan reiner episode 1 CGI made my eyes drool. i like the cgi in ssss gridman too. which is i dont understand why there's many people dislike it. simply we have been taught by marleyan that cgi is bad(lol) so no matter how good it is.so if we using "Hate" filter too see it. it gonna be look bad |
Jan 15, 2021 3:29 AM
#34
It's not like 2D and 3D are properly demarcated ontic categories. Aesthetically they are means of achieving arrangements of form into illusion that can become symbolicalliy appropriated by the audience. |
Jan 15, 2021 3:30 AM
#35
Thank you, this is very educational. |
Jan 15, 2021 3:36 AM
#36
NextUniverse said: OP wtf? what happens in the case of those who watch anime with barely unnoticeable cgi. how can you explain them when they get annoyed at the cgi. not everyone is the same as you lmao. We're talking about Shingeki no Kyojin:Final season (2020) not about berserk the CGI adaptation. |
Jan 15, 2021 3:38 AM
#37
SAMR030 said: yuilyjaegar7 said: Kyxor said: Berserk CGI was horrible from the what i've seen and kingdom season 1 idk been years since i've seen it but i remember it as bad, but yeah aot CGI is far superior to all CGI i've seen so far. lmao, you think a bunch of science theories or whatever are gonna change their opinions about cgi?? No matter how good the cgi is, it’ll always be hated. The thing is i actually prefer a cgi titans except monkey titan and i enjoy the movement which are done by cgi Like armored titan gotta admit hairy titans did look a bit off due to lack of hair movement but i'm confident that they'll be fixed in blue-ray release. |
Jan 15, 2021 3:39 AM
#38
yepp Hiro4ka11 said: Kyxor said: I see many of you complaining, even crying and wailing for CGI, so here's a thing or two from a biology student who knows a thing or two about the brain, The first thing that'll come into your mind, what does biology have to do with this???! Okay so, in simple words no details: Your brain gets used to seeing stuff and aot CGI isnt bad at all so it will eventually get used to it and when you rewatch the series you wont be complaining as much due to your brain getting used to it. I'm a living proof of this. I was feeling as uncomfortable as those CGI complainers when I first started watching movies with real actors 2 years ago, but my brain got used to it, because it wasn't bad. It's all about your brain getting used to it. Your brain is used to 2D, thats why you can accept it easily. CGI is amazing. Armored Titan reiner episode 1 CGI made my eyes drool. i like the cgi in ssss gridman too. which is i dont understand why there's many people dislike it. simply we have been taught by marleyan that cgi is bad(lol) so no matter how good it is.so if we using "Hate" filter too see it. it gonna be look bad yepp! exactly as you said it. As long as people are self-brainwashing that something is bad, ofc they'll perceive it as bad. brain works in bizzare ways. Marleyan anti CGI propaganda got into them. |
Jan 15, 2021 4:32 AM
#39
yuilyjaegar7 said: Kyxor said: Yo, take a look at this:PrasantGrG said: 'Biology student' Born 2003. Unless you skipped multiple years you're barely in college. 'CGI is amazing'. Doesn't mean shit compared to 2D animation. The CGI might be good compared to CGI used in anime, doesn't mean it's as good as good 2D animation in the slightest. Comparing CGI backgrounds to moving titans is just a horrible take as well and makes zero sense. Integration is completely different. Trying to match the frame rate in implemented CGI usually always fails. Moving CGI in general requires much higher budgets and time to look good. And trying to integrate it in anime to look anywhere near 2D quality requires heavy rotoscoping done well. Houseki no Kuni looks great despite being entirely CGI due to great integration. Dorohedoro looks good but still lacks compared to any great 2D sequences in anime yeah, born in 2003, 17 years old, highschool senior, I do biology, making me a biology student. i didn't throw any dangerous life threatening medical advice that a karen would, just something i picked up from neurological system tests. 2D animation is indeed more dynamic but the scene with Reiner's titan felt dynamic as it would be if it was 2D for me. Foreground CGI can be as good as background CGI,if not now (which isn't as good now, but close.), then in the future it will certainly be CGI so far in the fourth season didn't seem rotoscoped at all to me personally, episode two which didn't have CGI (i think? didn't pick up any CGI at all) had most rotoscoping. Houseki no kuni in my to watch list, it indeed looks amazing and better than some (around 30%,low budgeted ones.) 2D anime's that i shall leave unnamed for avoiding dramatical reasons. I look forward to watching it and appreciating CGI more! https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/kxog7u/until_my_haters_are_destroyed_mappa_studios/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf 10/10 edit, literally perfect. |
Jan 15, 2021 4:36 AM
#40
Roger1 said: Kyxor said: Roger1 said: Kyxor said: Roger1 said: That’s not true. The problem is that it’s 3D pasted over 2D so it looks bad. CGI is great if it was stand-alone but over the anime it’s not. I’ve watched some chinese anime and they’re 3D and it’s not that bad because everything else is also in 3D. idk if you realised that but many buildings in S1-3 were CGI as well as the forest of giant trees on some scenes. so i don't see the how foreground CGI can't work with 2D backgrounds like 2D foreground works with CGI background It doesn’t work that way maybe because of how mappa is doing it? Just cause 2D works with 3D background doesn’t mean 3D will work with 2D backgrounds. You’re using science to say we aren’t used to CGI but when we say we are but AOT S4 CGI still looks bad with how they’re doing it, you can’t back your claims. '' maybe because of how mappa is doing it?'' how is mappa doing it, for you? as i stated the above, if foreground CGI isn't as good (it isn't, but it's still pretty good to my eyes) as background CGI at this moment, it will be in the future. It looks like a 3D model out of place in a 2D world like when you use fake background in Zoom. CGI titans look great alone but looking at it as a whole, it doesn’t. Yah it may get better in the future but as of not, it isn’t. I don’t hate CGI if it fits like how chinese anime are doing it but unfortunately, it doesn’t in aot. I can’t spoil here but imagining the final acts of the story in CGI titans and everything else in 2D looks horrible. You can always choose not to watch the Anime, or not to post in the forums about how much it sucks, instead of spreading negativity, and let us fans able to enjoy the CGI have happier discussions here. |
Jan 15, 2021 4:37 AM
#41
Kyxor said: I see many of you complaining, even crying and wailing for CGI, so here's a thing or two from a biology student who knows a thing or two about the brain, The first thing that'll come into your mind, what does biology have to do with this???! Okay so, in simple words no details: Your brain gets used to seeing stuff and aot CGI isnt bad at all so it will eventually get used to it and when you rewatch the series you wont be complaining as much due to your brain getting used to it. I'm a living proof of this. I was feeling as uncomfortable as those CGI complainers when I first started watching movies with real actors 2 years ago, but my brain got used to it, because it wasn't bad. It's all about your brain getting used to it. Your brain is used to 2D, thats why you can accept it easily. CGI is amazing. Armored Titan reiner episode 1 CGI made my eyes drool. The only thing slightly bothering me at the first watch was the Beast Titan. After rewatching a bunch of times, it doesn't anymore that much. The rest looks absolutely great. |
Jan 15, 2021 4:39 AM
#42
NextUniverse said: OP wtf? what happens in the case of those who watch anime with barely unnoticeable cgi. how can you explain them when they get annoyed at the cgi. not everyone is the same as you lmao. Any examples for this? |
Jan 15, 2021 4:45 AM
#43
Gaerled said: It's not like 2D and 3D are properly demarcated ontic categories. Aesthetically they are means of achieving arrangements of form into illusion that can become symbolicalliy appropriated by the audience. Exactly! It's basically just a means used to visually tell a story. The story stays the exact same, whether you use 3D or 2D animation. Stickman drawing of AOT would still tell the exact same story, as long as you draw the stickman in a way so that people can distinguish between them, it's basically the same. |
Jan 15, 2021 4:51 AM
#44
I think the CGI is great. S3 p2 had problems to animate the armored titan in 2D and it didn’t look as good as S2 armored titan or S4 CGI amored titan imo. The jaw titan from S4 is one of the best looking titans I’ve ever seen, much better than Ymir’s 2D titan, in my opinion of course |
Jan 15, 2021 5:10 AM
#45
Dont know why I read this as I have no problems with the CGI. But for me I try to enjoy a show I like as much as possible. As long as the fight next week is decent, I'll still love the anime. The way I see it: It is what it is, I get complaining the week it came out but about 6 weeks has passed. Complaining isn't gonna get them to magically change the anime from CGI to 2d. So just try to enjoy it as much as possible. If you start hating AOT because of the CGI it means you were only there for the action, not story. If you dont enjoy AOT just drop it... Its just entertainment there is virtually no point in watching something you dont enjoy other than hating on it to boost your ego. |
I gave up on character of the week since it takes too much thinking. I'll just change my forum pfp to whoever I want every week lol. |
Jan 15, 2021 5:43 AM
#46
"Doesn't notice" |
Jan 15, 2021 5:46 AM
#47
Kaito10 said: Kyxor said: I see many of you complaining, even crying and wailing for CGI, so here's a thing or two from a biology student who knows a thing or two about the brain, The first thing that'll come into your mind, what does biology have to do with this???! Okay so, in simple words no details: Your brain gets used to seeing stuff and aot CGI isnt bad at all so it will eventually get used to it and when you rewatch the series you wont be complaining as much due to your brain getting used to it. I'm a living proof of this. I was feeling as uncomfortable as those CGI complainers when I first started watching movies with real actors 2 years ago, but my brain got used to it, because it wasn't bad. It's all about your brain getting used to it. Your brain is used to 2D, thats why you can accept it easily. CGI is amazing. Armored Titan reiner episode 1 CGI made my eyes drool. The only thing slightly bothering me at the first watch was the Beast Titan. After rewatching a bunch of times, it doesn't anymore that much. The rest looks absolutely great. yepp! exactly, once again brain doin it's job :p EmilioRodriguez said: i love the how the CGI jaw titan moves, only problem is hair which will most likely be fixed either in blue ray or next episodes, never noticed the animation lack of S3 p2 despite watching it twice and people saying alot about it tbh, and biggest part of it is my brain used to 2D animation and focusing on enjoying the show rather than nitpicking bad stuff unlike mappa haters and people whio threaten others on twitter.I think the CGI is great. S3 p2 had problems to animate the armored titan in 2D and it didn’t look as good as S2 armored titan or S4 CGI amored titan imo. The jaw titan from S4 is one of the best looking titans I’ve ever seen, much better than Ymir’s 2D titan, in my opinion of course AnimeLeviathan said: Dont know why I read this as I have no problems with the CGI. But for me I try to enjoy a show I like as much as possible. As long as the fight next week is decent, I'll still love the anime. The way I see it: It is what it is, I get complaining the week it came out but about 6 weeks has passed. Complaining isn't gonna get them to magically change the anime from CGI to 2d. So just try to enjoy it as much as possible. If you start hating AOT because of the CGI it means you were only there for the action, not story. If you dont enjoy AOT just drop it... Its just entertainment there is virtually no point in watching something you dont enjoy other than hating on it to boost your ego. That's right! Action isn't even the main part of Shingeki no Kyojin if you look at the series as a whole. As a manga reader, i can see the how the fight could work with CGI. |
Jan 15, 2021 7:35 AM
#48
Kyxor said: Roger1 said: That’s not true. The problem is that it’s 3D pasted over 2D so it looks bad. CGI is great if it was stand-alone but over the anime it’s not. I’ve watched some chinese anime and they’re 3D and it’s not that bad because everything else is also in 3D. idk if you realised that but many buildings in S1-3 were CGI as well as the forest of giant trees on some scenes. so i don't see the how foreground CGI can't work with 2D backgrounds like 2D foreground works with CGI background Yea i agree. Wit also use a lot of CG on the background and the landscapes. And maybe the horse to (?) idk. But i think bcs it's just a background, people didn't really notice that bcs they just focus on the character and not the background |
Jan 15, 2021 7:38 AM
#49
sure but the brain does not always get desensitize that way or else addiction or even obsessive intrusive/unwanted thoughts will not happen? |
Jan 15, 2021 7:49 AM
#50
Kaito10 said: Roger1 said: Kyxor said: Roger1 said: Kyxor said: Roger1 said: That’s not true. The problem is that it’s 3D pasted over 2D so it looks bad. CGI is great if it was stand-alone but over the anime it’s not. I’ve watched some chinese anime and they’re 3D and it’s not that bad because everything else is also in 3D. idk if you realised that but many buildings in S1-3 were CGI as well as the forest of giant trees on some scenes. so i don't see the how foreground CGI can't work with 2D backgrounds like 2D foreground works with CGI background It doesn’t work that way maybe because of how mappa is doing it? Just cause 2D works with 3D background doesn’t mean 3D will work with 2D backgrounds. You’re using science to say we aren’t used to CGI but when we say we are but AOT S4 CGI still looks bad with how they’re doing it, you can’t back your claims. '' maybe because of how mappa is doing it?'' how is mappa doing it, for you? as i stated the above, if foreground CGI isn't as good (it isn't, but it's still pretty good to my eyes) as background CGI at this moment, it will be in the future. It looks like a 3D model out of place in a 2D world like when you use fake background in Zoom. CGI titans look great alone but looking at it as a whole, it doesn’t. Yah it may get better in the future but as of not, it isn’t. I don’t hate CGI if it fits like how chinese anime are doing it but unfortunately, it doesn’t in aot. I can’t spoil here but imagining the final acts of the story in CGI titans and everything else in 2D looks horrible. You can always choose not to watch the Anime, or not to post in the forums about how much it sucks, instead of spreading negativity, and let us fans able to enjoy the CGI have happier discussions here. lol just cause I don’t like the animation of season 4, I shouldn’t watch it anymore? I watch it for the story which is the only thing carrying it right now. I’ve read the manga and this season is supposed to be the best arc so obviously it’s normal to be disappointed with this downgrade of quality. Real fans should not blindly love it and spread that it’s a god tier and perfect adaptation when it is clearly not. |
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