| Never. That's kinda the moral of the story, isn't it? We as humans struggle, we fight, we're hurting, but we keep pushing on. The fact that Guts' odds are so miserable and his chances of success are so bleak that any human should just give up -> but not him, is the whole Idea of his character. I can see him actually winning over Griffith either by some major bargain with the demon world (His Armor and his all consuming hatred are steps toward this) or of course some significant trade off...something like sacrificing his friends or even Casca in order to get revenge. But I don't think the Manga will entertain the Idea of (The Human) Guts standing toe to toe with this god-like creature Griffith has become. |
Merve2LoveJan 13, 2021 5:19 AM
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| Are there even power levels in this manga ? This isn't Naruto . |
  Something that’s supposed to die and doesn’t… will eventually rot away , whether it’s a man or a nation |
| it wouldnt make sense because griffith is literally a God. but he'd probably "defeat" him in probably more chapters cuz i heard we are only 50% of the way through |
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| @sageT_T I get what you saying, tho. There's gonna be some way for Guts to have an actual Showdown with Griffith. Sort of. Im really going with Guts either making ultimatly the same choice as Griffith ...thus sacrificing his Loved ones. Or (and that's really hinted at multiple times now) ...following in the same Footsteps as the Skull Knight, loosing his humanity, but gaining power. I'd say (and hope) that's about to be happening in chapters 500+ To answer your question^^ |
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| I disagree - the reason Guts is the hero of the series is because he *doesn't* take the easy way out via god-like powers. Almost every adversary he faces - the Lost Children, Mozgus and his followers, the Apostles, even the sea pirates - chooses to give up their humanity for power, and he defeats them every time. That is why he is the Struggler, and why we can relate to him and want him to win: he triumphs despite retaining his humanity, with all its flaws and weaknesses. Griffith is no exception to this. Griffith chose to trade his humanity for a shortcut to power. He could have chosen to live a quiet life in retirement, he could have chosen to build up his strength and, even if he couldn't lead an army any more, use his brilliant mind to get back in command. Instead he chose to sacrifice everyone he knew and cared about for the instant gratification of regaining his power. I've said it here before, and I'll say it again: I think Casca will be the one to defeat Griffith in the end, not Guts. "Power levels" aren't important for this; Berserk isn't about simply winning through brute strength. It's about so much more than that, and Guts has already shown that he has learned that lesson. When he was in the Hawks muscle power was all he brought to the table, which is why he realized he could only go so far with them and left. Now he knows that he can't do it alone, and is willing to accept help from others. Sometimes that help is magical (i.e. the Berserker armor), but he pays a price every time he uses it to surpass his own human limitations. It often takes him to the brink of losing himself, but he never completely crosses that line; that's what makes him different from his adversaries. I think Skull Knight has learned, much to his regret, that he chose the wrong path to power. He threw away his humanity and quite likely the people/person he loved, and gained worse than nothing from it. Now he wages an endless war against the Godhand to make up for that choice. I seriously doubt he would want Guts to follow the same path he did and make the same mistakes, especially since he's been doing it for 1000 years and has still failed to defeat Void. |
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Merve2Love said: It would be the most unfitting and stupid thing if guts sacrificed casca or anyone else, he despises Griffith for that exact reason it would completely go against guts character.Never. That's kinda the moral of the story, isn't it? We as humans struggle, we fight, we're hurting, but we keep pushing on. The fact that Guts' odds are so miserable and his chances of success are so bleak that any human should just give up -> but not him, is the whole Idea of his character. I can see him actually winning over Griffith either by some major bargain with the demon world (His Armor and his all consuming hatred are steps toward this) or of course some significant trade off...something like sacrificing his friends or even Casca in order to get revenge. But I don't think the Manga will entertain the Idea of (The Human) Guts standing toe to toe with this god-like creature Griffith has become. |
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Blueguy333 said: Merve2Love said: It would be the most unfitting and stupid thing if guts sacrificed casca or anyone else, he despises Griffith for that exact reason it would completely go against guts character.Never. That's kinda the moral of the story, isn't it? We as humans struggle, we fight, we're hurting, but we keep pushing on. The fact that Guts' odds are so miserable and his chances of success are so bleak that any human should just give up -> but not him, is the whole Idea of his character. I can see him actually winning over Griffith either by some major bargain with the demon world (His Armor and his all consuming hatred are steps toward this) or of course some significant trade off...something like sacrificing his friends or even Casca in order to get revenge. But I don't think the Manga will entertain the Idea of (The Human) Guts standing toe to toe with this god-like creature Griffith has become. Honestly, the way she is right now, it wouldn't surprise me if she forces Guts' hand, at some point or even sacrifices herself for his sake. It's been hinted multiple times now that living is quite the burden for Casca at this point. With all the horrible Nightmares, the pain and her beeing unable to forget the demons who raped her, evertime she faces Guts. I can see a "Drama" - Ending for her ---> where she's about to die, thanking Guts a last time, for the futile effort, trying to bring her back to her old self. Not saying Guts would LIKE something going this way. Just saying this sort of event could give him a boost in "Powerlevel" and would even deepen his hatred for Griffith. This kind of shocking event would fit really neatly in the story we know so far. Escpecially considering how long Guts' has been fighting to bring the "real" Casca back. This idea would even fit in him slowly transforming fully into "The Struggler" , giving up more and more of his humanity, by loosing the woman he loves. |
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Merve2Love said: I agree with you if it could happen like that. I was just trying to say that guts would never sacrifice someone out of his own free willBlueguy333 said: It would be the most unfitting and stupid thing if guts sacrificed casca or anyone else, he despises Griffith for that exact reason it would completely go against guts character. Honestly, the way she is right now, it wouldn't surprise me if she forces Guts' hand, at some point or even sacrifices herself for his sake. It's been hinted multiple times now that living is quite the burden for Casca at this point. With all the horrible Nightmares, the pain and her beeing unable to forget the demons who raped her, evertime she faces Guts. I can see a "Drama" - Ending for her ---> where she's about to die, thanking Guts a last time, for the futile effort, trying to bring her back to her old self. Not saying Guts would LIKE something going this way. Just saying this sort of event could give him a boost in "Powerlevel" and would even deepen his hatred for Griffith. This kind of shocking event would fit really neatly in the story we know so far. Escpecially considering how long Guts' has been fighting to bring the "real" Casca back. This idea would even fit in him slowly transforming fully into "The Struggler" , giving up more and more of his humanity, by loosing the woman he loves. |
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| 450, 500 I can't be the only one who thinks the series is closing to a climax? |
yeah I know bad joke but I just always laugh because of how ridiculous power levels got to be with a power level of 1 million and then a hundred million it just becomes pointless also its Berserk like idk something funny about "power levels" next to berserk |
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