Attack on Titan
| Can ya'll manga readers just shut up and let anime-onlies experience the anime to the fullest? |
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| How about we first see how episode 2 is going to be adapted before we jump the gun? Could you not have waited to see how the second episode plays out before making this thread? its literally less than 24 hours away. |
| I'm quite worried about it to be sincere. The Marley/next arc are perfect, doesn't need any trimming like the uprising arc. |
| Lmao @ everyone not reading the well calculated and researched text thinking that Seko will somehow be able to deliver within these limitations. You can’t argue against math.Let’s just hope that the 2CH per EP rumor ends up being false otherwise we’ll end up with a butchered adaptation of our favorite story. |
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MironBiron said: Lmao @ everyone not reading the well calculated and researched text thinking that Seko will somehow be able to deliver within these limitations. You can’t argue against math.Let’s just hope that the 2CH per EP rumor ends up being false otherwise we’ll end up with a butchered adaptation of our favorite story. You already said the adaptation is ruined either way and also season 3 part 1 happen, but the anime was still a success. If Wit can get away with it, Mappa can too. |
| We should wait and see the next episodes before reaching hasting conclusions. The season may end midway WfP arc. But yeah... if it's "from chapter 91 to 122/123 in 16 episodes" the adaptation is butchered, there is no way around it. |
| The rearranging of scenes is going to allow for a smooth 2ch/1ep. While the post is correct, I disagree that 2ch/1ep is bad. |
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I_Am_Freeballing said: While the post is correct, I disagree that 2ch/1ep is bad. He used math to make the point that 2ch/1ep is bad. What part is there left to find correct if you disagree with the main point? keragamming said: You already said the adaptation is ruined either way One thing you should understand is that I care about your enjoyment too. I'm not just in this for myself. I care about the general reception (current reception as much as retrospective reception) of Attack on Titan and I want the Final Season to become the part people will be the most passionate about in the future. I care about this just as much as I care about my own enjoyment. Current reception has been amazing (although challenged by controversy) and people are hyped about the first season. But I believe that all these audiovisual and pacing related issues that I talk about on here everyday, while going unnoticed to most people, will eventually affect the general enjoyment of the show either consciously or subconsciously. It's just like how the general viewer won't notice and point out a badly designed frame, poorly composited close-up or oddly paced sequence, they also won't notice it when they're done superbly, but it will affect their enjoyment in one way or another. Sure, most people are going to enjoy the series, but if these "unnoticed" and "invisible" issues keep popping up one after another, they are one day, when all the dust and hype have settled, going to influence the retrospective reception of The Final Season. I'm not trying to ruin anyone's hype or anything (not that I actually could) but this season might just be talked about along the lines of “Yeah that one was pretty good too, but it felt a bit... different than the other three”. |
MironBironDec 12, 2020 12:05 PM
Turth3 said: Dude makes a well constructed mathematical analysis of how quite literally impossible it would be to shove 32 chapters, majority being dialogue heavy into 16 episodes without heavy cuts and setbacks that would undoubtedly impact the story for the worse. ••••••••••••>>>>>> People on Mal IT cAn STill wORk ThOUgh RoGht. MaPpO, CUn Do iT....,./DurrrRRR Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. This fanbase loves Attack on Titan so much, like really so much (and rightfully so), that they're willing to ignore every red flag not to get their hearts broken. We all deserve better. |
| Perhaps we should wait for the actual episode to release before imaging a bad pacing and switching to the manga for no particular present reason I hope anime onlies deserted this place because damn, don't want to read *the manga is better* for 16 consecutive weeks |
MironBiron said: I_Am_Freeballing said: While the post is correct, I disagree that 2ch/1ep is bad. He used math to make the point that 2ch/1ep is bad. What part is there left to find correct if you disagree with the main point? I simply meant that while the statistics are correct I don't agree it means a bad season. There is even a graph showing the amount of dialogue for That Day and The Attack Titan and it's barely lower than what would be the most dense episode of this season. If I liked That Day and The Attack Titan, I'm not going to say the same pacing is bad just because it's in this season. This season is going to benefit from having no room to breathe, not the other way around. Reading 91-100 monthly was hardly enjoyable until the pay off happened and the anime is going to try and eliminate that. This season isn't gonna slow down and let us simmer in the moments, it's going to be a non-stop race, which can be a bad or a good thing depending how you look at it. I don't think it's bad because I don't think it will be rushed, it's just going to be dense. |
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I_Am_Freeballing said: MironBiron said: He used math to make the point that 2ch/1ep is bad. What part is there left to find correct if you disagree with the main point? I simply meant that while the statistics are correct I don't agree it means a bad season. There is even a graph showing the amount of dialogue for That Day and The Attack Titan and it's barely lower than what would be the most dense episode of this season. If I liked That Day and The Attack Titan, I'm not going to say the same pacing is bad just because it's in this season. This season is going to benefit from having no room to breathe, not the other way around. Reading 91-100 monthly was hardly enjoyable until the pay off happened and the anime is going to try and eliminate that. This season isn't gonna slow down and let us simmer in the moments, it's going to be a non-stop race, which can be a bad or a good thing depending how you look at it. I don't think it's bad because I don't think it will be rushed, it's just going to be dense. Finally someone with a brain... goddamn, its not like the entire season will be butchered if they cut something out. Being different from the manga doesn't equal bad, its just a different experience. |
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| I'm more worried about the pacing than the animation tbh. Every single piece of dialogue is important in this arc. And the title of the third episode will already be "The Gate of Hope". I'm really not feeling this bro, the OP from the reddit post in the link explains exactly my thoughts. The AOT manga has over twice as much pages in a chapter than a regular manga which only has 20 at most, the fact that WIT didn't adapt 2 chapters in a single episode unless those chapters were only fight driven (ex: Eren vs Reiner) just proves that covering 2 chapters that are dialogue driven doesn't work well. If adapting 2 heavy dialogue chapters in a single episode of 24 mins (also taking into account the time wasted with the Opening and Ending, so there's that too) isn't a red flag I don't know what is. |
MWAsuraDec 12, 2020 2:32 PM
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keragamming said: How about we first see how episode 2 is going to be adapted before we jump the gun? Could you not have waited to see how the second episode plays out before making this thread? its literally less than 24 hours away. The reddit post is based on the episode titles leak from 2 to 5. From which we can conclude they will adapt 2 chapters per episode. He gave solid arguments on why 2 chapters per episode is not good and it can even lead to scenes and dialogue being cut off. I'm actually worried now. |
MAQS said: And there is a portion of manga readers who actually prefer the anime version, yeah they exist apparently, I disagree with that take, and I also am of the opinion I will like the manga version of the story more of the anime at this point, because they are gonna be forced to cut so many cool stuff just like Uprising did. Except for the fact that AOT is one of the "rare" cases where the anime is miles better than the manga endorsed by literally everyone? Even manga readers? The manga readers who prefered the Uprising arc in the manga are an extreme minority, solely for the fact that the vast majority of manga readers hated how the arc was made in the manga, even Isayama himself, which is the main reason the Uprising arc in the anime was REARRANGED at Isayama's request to correct the mistakes and aspects he didn't like he did in the manga, and he used the anime to correct them since the anime is the final product. The majority of manga readers loved how the arc was made in the anime. The "cool" stuff in the manga was just that, cool, it was either just cool, or insignificant and ultimately didn't contribute to the plot, or too dragged out only to reach a conclusion that would've been just as cohesive without most of the information, the conversation between Levi and Dimo Reeves is one of those. It was cool, but significantly insignificant. Though the only thing that I think they maybe shouldn't have cut was Eren's experiments |
MWAsuraDec 12, 2020 2:55 PM
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I_Am_Freeballing said: I simply meant that while the statistics are correct I don't agree it means a bad season. There is even a graph showing the amount of dialogue for That Day and The Attack Titan and it's barely lower than what would be the most dense episode of this season. If I liked That Day and The Attack Titan, I'm not going to say the same pacing is bad just because it's in this season. This season is going to benefit from having no room to breathe, not the other way around. Reading 91-100 monthly was hardly enjoyable until the pay off happened and the anime is going to try and eliminate that. This season isn't gonna slow down and let us simmer in the moments, it's going to be a non-stop race, which can be a bad or a good thing depending how you look at it. I don't think it's bad because I don't think it will be rushed, it's just going to be dense. You’re talking about individual episodes and that’s cool, but aside from the pacing of individual episodes, it’s even more important for the actual transitions in the story to be paced well. Think about chapter 90, 91, 106 and 122 and think about how many times the story was completely flipped upside down in such a short amount of time. That hasn’t happed yet in Attack on Titan, not on this scale and tempo. Adding to that, The Attack on Titan manga from 91 to 122 is already impossibly fast-paced on its own, much faster than other segments of the story, and rumour is that its adaptation is going to be significantly faster in than other season. Sure, you’re going to enjoy it and others will too, and while your choice to completely ignore all of these potential issues is understandable, I wonder where you get the confidence from as to not at all acknowledge the danger of these issues relating to the legacy of Attack on Titan at all. You might have low expectations for The Final Season, but a lot of other people don’t. You’re comparing the 10 month wait between 91-100 to the 7 week wait between episode 1 and 6. Honestly I think you’re a good guy and I have nothing against you but your reasoning always baffles me. |
Napok said: keragamming said: How about we first see how episode 2 is going to be adapted before we jump the gun? Could you not have waited to see how the second episode plays out before making this thread? its literally less than 24 hours away. The reddit post is based on the episode titles leak from 2 to 5. From which we can conclude they will adapt 2 chapters per episode. He gave solid arguments on why 2 chapters per episode is not good and it can even lead to scenes and dialogue being cut off. I'm actually worried now. I will admit I didn't read it, I'm not in the mood to read all that especially since the episode will be release soon, but I did look back and realize how dialogue heavy those chapters are, they may do what they did with season 3 part 2 when they adapted 2 dialogue heavy chapters by skipping op and ending and they cut little dialogue from the manga. So that is a possibility as well. MWAsura said: MAQS said: And there is a portion of manga readers who actually prefer the anime version, yeah they exist apparently, I disagree with that take, and I also am of the opinion I will like the manga version of the story more of the anime at this point, because they are gonna be forced to cut so many cool stuff just like Uprising did. Except for the fact that AOT is one of the "rare" cases where the anime is miles better than the manga endorsed by literally everyone? Even manga readers? The manga readers who prefered the Uprising arc in the manga are an extreme minority, solely for the fact that the vast majority of manga readers hated how the arc was made in the manga, even Isayama himself, which is the main reason the Uprising arc in the anime was REARRANGED at Isayama's request to correct the mistakes and aspects he didn't like he did in the manga, and he used the anime to correct them since the anime is the final product. The majority of manga readers loved how the arc was made in the anime. The "cool" stuff in the manga was just that, cool, it was either just cool, or insignificant and ultimately didn't contribute to the plot, or too dragged out only to reach a conclusion that would've been just as cohesive without most of the information, the conversation between Levi and Dimo Reeves is one of those. It was cool, but significantly insignificant. Though the only thing that I think they maybe shouldn't have cut was Eren's experiments Funny enough even Isayama said the anime is the final version as the manga is the draft as he has made plenty of improvement in the anime and he even said he was disappointed with the uprising art, probably he was the one who told wit and made them make big changes to that arc. |
MAQS said: Funny enough even Isayama said the anime is the final version as the manga is the draft as he has made plenty of improvement in the anime and he even said he was disappointed with the uprising art, probably he was the one who told wit and made them make big changes to that arc. Yes he said he was going to directly supervise the arc in the anime along with WIT to make the appropriate changes. And I hope he's also having some influence in the Final Season with MAPPA |
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MAQS said: Yep however this final season is clearly doing the same as previous by adding new original content. About the proportion of each season, take a look at this. the Battle of trost arc which was 13 ep, lasts 261 minutes The female titan arc lasts 12 eps 236 minutes Clash of the titans arc lasts 12 eps in 240 min Uprising lasts 10 eps in 216 min Return to shingashina last 12 eps 258 minutes. S3 eps are way more concentrated than previous season, with Return to shingashina being almost the same lenght as The trost arc despite being 1 full ep shorter. They achieved this by almost eliminating the recaps and skipping the OP and ED many times. And also. Trost was 4 volumes Female titan 4 volumes Clash of the titans 4 volumes Uprising 5 volumes RTS 5 volumes https://attackontitan.fandom.com/wiki/Story_Arcs |
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MironBiron said: I wouldn't say I have low expectations, I can still be disappointed. Perhaps you are too critical and/or trying to cope with being in the minority. I certainly think so. Nothing wrong with that. You are my favorite member on here.I_Am_Freeballing said: I simply meant that while the statistics are correct I don't agree it means a bad season. There is even a graph showing the amount of dialogue for That Day and The Attack Titan and it's barely lower than what would be the most dense episode of this season. If I liked That Day and The Attack Titan, I'm not going to say the same pacing is bad just because it's in this season. This season is going to benefit from having no room to breathe, not the other way around. Reading 91-100 monthly was hardly enjoyable until the pay off happened and the anime is going to try and eliminate that. This season isn't gonna slow down and let us simmer in the moments, it's going to be a non-stop race, which can be a bad or a good thing depending how you look at it. I don't think it's bad because I don't think it will be rushed, it's just going to be dense. You’re talking about individual episodes and that’s cool, but aside from the pacing of individual episodes, it’s even more important for the actual transitions in the story to be paced well. Think about chapter 90, 91, 106 and 122 and think about how many times the story was completely flipped upside down in such a short amount of time. That hasn’t happed yet in Attack on Titan, not on this scale and tempo. Adding to that, The Attack on Titan manga from 91 to 122 is already impossibly fast-paced on its own, much faster than other segments of the story, and rumour is that its adaptation is going to be significantly faster in than other season. Sure, you’re going to enjoy it and others will too, and while your choice to completely ignore all of these potential issues is understandable, I wonder where you get the confidence from as to not at all acknowledge the danger of these issues relating to the legacy of Attack on Titan at all. You might have low expectations for The Final Season, but a lot of other people don’t. You’re comparing the 10 month wait between 91-100 to the 7 week wait between episode 1 and 6. Honestly I think you’re a good guy and I have nothing against you but your reasoning always baffles me. Yes I'm comparing the 10 month wait with the 7 week one. I'm saying 7 weeks is better for the flow of the story. Even if you binge 91-100 at once it still feels great even with no breaks. The 'story needs room to breathe and set in' is a misconception. It doesn't. You may like to dwell more on it but that's it. The pacing of The Attack Titan episode throughout this season will keep the audience at a constant high. Each episode is going to be so full and brimming with content. I get my confidence because how they treated the story in the 1st ep. Surely if they got only 16 episodes and planned to cut a lot, they wouldn't feel comfortable leaving everything in from 91 and 92, no? I know it was an action episode but surely they would cut from it too to make space for dialogue later? I trust they will do minimal cutting with rearranging even with 2ch/1ep and make it work. Also, I am absolutely aware of the potential issues, manga Uprising was much better for example. The anime did it's job but something was missing. The spirit of the story was not fully there. I don't know if you've read before the volume 23 but the anime Uprising felt more like checking off plot points then actually telling a story. I already feel differently about Marley arc in the anime and am confident Mappa won't screw up the pacing. I trust they will beautifully transition from scene to scene, no matter how packed. Let's see if I'm right or wrong tomorrow. If they adapt what I have predicted (which is 93 and half of 94 and 95 each) then I will be happy. I am imagining them doing something like this: |
I_Am_FreeballingDec 12, 2020 8:52 PM
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| Seriously it has only released 1 episode and your already making this thread and calling it stupid, can't we just accept studio MAPPA for adapting this. |
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Minerrr said: Scordolo said: Can ya'll manga readers just shut up and let anime-onlies experience the anime to the fullest? not if they're going to butcher the anime. you clearly saw the title... why did you click the thread? manga readers can enjoy and critique the anime too you know But I don't like the fact that the manga readers are forcing us anime-onlies to read the manga.Criticizing the pacing like this seems like they are telling us to read the manga. Is 2 chapters per episode is a bad thing? |
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MAQS said: ThatShiny_Hex said: I think Marley arc being 9 episodes is manageable (not ideal though) but what worries me is 7 episodes for WfP (15.7 chapters) Given the contents of ep 5 I believe each arc will be equal 8 eps each. Both are 4 manga volumes long too. Again, the same treatment as Uprising which adapted 5 volumes into 10 eps. Expect most of the cutting and rearrangement to happen between ch 93-98 and 107-113 episode 9 ends , that makes 7 episodes for remaining 15.7 chapters, which is not doable. |
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