Attack on Titan
| Yes, the CGI is noticable, but for me only the Beast Titan looked below average. Generally, they are still much much better than what WIT did in S3 P2, I rewatched it recently, and I also rewatched the first episode twice, so I am confident in my statements. The backgrounds are amazing??? The blur is used properly IMO. WIT did exactly the same all the time. I bet this criticism is because MAPPA is doing this. It is animated quite well, especially for the first half of the episode, then it drops to decent quality in the latter half. You are ungrateful asf if I'm being truly honest. The direction was amazing, and the OST was great as usual. |
| Yes, the CGI is noticable, but for me only the Beast Titan looked below average. Generally, they are still much much better than what WIT did in S3 P2, I rewatched it recently, and I also rewatched the first episode twice, so I am confident in my statements. The backgrounds are amazing??? The blur is used properly IMO. WIT did exactly the same all the time. I bet this criticism is because MAPPA is doing this. It is animated quite well, especially for the first half of the episode, then it drops to decent quality in the latter half. You are ungrateful asf if I'm being truly honest. The direction was amazing, and the OST was great as usual. |
| CGI is good in terms of CGI, but not comperable to 2D. I am not sure how WIT would do that also, they had easier job because less titans were part of the action, MAPPA had 4 titans already in first episode. I am almost sure WIT would go with CGI titans for this season anyway XD. |
ReegrezSNK said: CGI is good in terms of CGI, but not comperable to 2D. I am not sure how WIT would do that also, they had easier job because less titans were part of the action, MAPPA had 4 titans already in first episode. I am almost sure WIT would go with CGI titans for this season anyway XD. I think they would just outsource some episodes and completely ignore them to balance things out, they wouldn't go full CGI or drop the quality like this. Think like the S3P2 basement episode or the scene just before they reach to the sea in ep 10, but more frequent. I still think basement episode looked better than this though. So I don't know if it could be worse. Let's hope this was MAPPA's "ignored" episode and the rest will be better. |
SirTristram said: ReegrezSNK said: CGI is good in terms of CGI, but not comperable to 2D. I am not sure how WIT would do that also, they had easier job because less titans were part of the action, MAPPA had 4 titans already in first episode. I am almost sure WIT would go with CGI titans for this season anyway XD. I think they would just outsource some episodes and completely ignore them to balance things out, they wouldn't go full CGI or drop the quality like this. Think like the S3P2 basement episode or the scene just before they reach to the sea in ep 10, but more frequent. I still think basement episode looked better than this though. So I don't know if it could be worse. Let's hope this was MAPPA's "ignored" episode and the rest will be better. After one episode, I hope they making titans in 3D for consistency and we won't have drops in quality like with WIT. It may also end up with the first episode being the best and next episodes will be worse a lot. |
| WIT was definitely better overall but mappa's cgi is better compared to that one colossal titan scene. I definitely prefer WIT titan animation but I like the regular animation of mappa just as much. |
SirTristram said: ReegrezSNK said: CGI is good in terms of CGI, but not comperable to 2D. I am not sure how WIT would do that also, they had easier job because less titans were part of the action, MAPPA had 4 titans already in first episode. I am almost sure WIT would go with CGI titans for this season anyway XD. I think they would just outsource some episodes and completely ignore them to balance things out, they wouldn't go full CGI or drop the quality like this. Think like the S3P2 basement episode or the scene just before they reach to the sea in ep 10, but more frequent. I still think basement episode looked better than this though. So I don't know if it could be worse. Let's hope this was MAPPA's "ignored" episode and the rest will be better. I do think that this was MAPPA's "ignored" episode, because they didn't use the best staff available for producing this. (For example, Hayashi did not direct this, I hope they are saving him for a more valuable episode) |
ReegrezSNK said: After one episode, I hope they making titans in 3D for consistency and we won't have drops in quality like with WIT. It may also end up with the first episode being the best and next episodes will be worse a lot. Of course this will be one of the bests when the season ends. I don't think they can do better at this point. Only saving grace would be allegedly outsourced episodes being great. I'm just throwing some gang-signs with positive words just so MAPPA cucks leave me alone. @DissapointmentA Don't get me wrong, it'll be 3D until the end. Expect more CGI elements too. |
SirTristramDec 6, 2020 3:11 PM
| You guys are incredibly annoying, my god This wasn't a bad ep, you can prefer the other studio's looks if you want but stop acting like this is a god damn tragedy We're lightyears away from what other studio changes did for other franchises And what the fuck are you on? The backgrounds were amazing Some of you are just inventing issues at this point to feel controversial and it's just sad tbh. We get an actual good, not incredible but pretty good episode for a start, and you act like this |
TheCloverfieldDec 6, 2020 3:44 PM
| The show is good, don't get more wrong, but the animation and the character designs look bogus. |
| I think it would have been deceiving if the first episode had 2d titans and the rest of the episodes is cgi, atleast fans can decide whether to drop it or read the manga from now, if they can't tolerate the cgi, I'm expecting 100% cgi titans from the beginning to the end and I have accepted that, no point saying if it was wit studio it would have been better. Wit is gone and there is nothing we can do about it, thinking about what if scenario is only going to make you more depressed. As long as the quality doesn't dip too much and the ost is as epic as normal I'm good with that. The story can carry this on its own. |
keragamming said: I think it would have been deceiving if the first episode had 2d titans and the rest of the episodes is cgi, atleast fans can decide whether to drop it or read the manga from now, if they can't tolerate the cgi, I'm expecting 100% cgi titans from the beginning to the end and I have accepted that, no point saying if it was wit studio it would have been better. Wit is gone and there is nothing we can do about it, thinking about what if scenario is only going to make you more depressed. As long as the quality doesn't dip too much and the ost is as epic as normal I'm good with that. I'm glad after all the debates and fights you are at least enjoying the final season. Not many people are lucky like you, I'm curious about what happened to MironBiron and the other positive guys. They disappeared all of a sudden. |
SirTristram said: keragamming said: I think it would have been deceiving if the first episode had 2d titans and the rest of the episodes is cgi, atleast fans can decide whether to drop it or read the manga from now, if they can't tolerate the cgi, I'm expecting 100% cgi titans from the beginning to the end and I have accepted that, no point saying if it was wit studio it would have been better. Wit is gone and there is nothing we can do about it, thinking about what if scenario is only going to make you more depressed. As long as the quality doesn't dip too much and the ost is as epic as normal I'm good with that. I'm glad after all the debates and fights you are at least enjoying the final season. Not many people are lucky like you, I'm curious about what happened to MironBiron and the other positive guys. They disappeared all of a sudden. I think he is disappointed in all the titans being cgi, personally it seems most people are complaining about the cgi and not the art style, direction, animation and ost so a part of me did wish the titans were 2d, but I understand why the went this route. |
Cloverfield999 said: exactly it’s like some people are just finding things to say just to talk shit for no reason like just because a but of cgi was used doesn’t mean the episode wasn’t goodYou guys are incredibly annoying, my god This wasn't a bad ep, you can prefer the other studio's looks if you want but stop acting like this is a god damn tragedy We're lightyears away from what other studio changes did for other franchises And what the fuck are you on? The backgrounds were amazing Some of you are just inventing issues at this point to feel controversial and it's just sad tbh. We get an actual good, not incredible but pretty good episode for a start, and you act like this |
| This thread proves once again what's the top priority for the average modern anime fan: the visuals and animation. Anything that looks slightly below its expectations in this department is always immediately a crime against humanity and the studio should burn in hell for its sins.... You're so annoying. You're all exaggerating here. The series looked good. It didn't look that much different from the rest of the series. You're creating a storm in a glass of water here. |
SirTristram said: I'm glad after all the debates and fights you are at least enjoying the final season. Not many people are lucky like you, I'm curious about what happened to MironBiron and the other positive guys. They disappeared all of a sudden. I’m busy trying to hold back my tears right now. It was bad. |
| literally made another account just to suck WIT dick. The first episode was amazing, I liked the CGI of the new titan guy. Yes the Beast Titan wasn't the best. The new art style is superior than the previous ones. |
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MironBiron said: SirTristram said: I'm glad after all the debates and fights you are at least enjoying the final season. Not many people are lucky like you, I'm curious about what happened to MironBiron and the other positive guys. They disappeared all of a sudden. I’m busy trying to hold back my tears right now. It was bad. I know we had so many fights but this is still sad to hear. I can understand what are you feeling right now because you mentioned how AoT helped with your depression many times. I can relate because it helped me back then as well, and I probably had the same reaction you are going through right now when the PV dropped. My whole week was gone. You'll get used to it. |
| One ep in and they're already flooding in, you just love to see it |
| Why can't people understand that WiT is gone and they have to move on and accept what they're seeing while being thankful that MAPPA is the studio in charge rather than trashy studios like JC staff or Deen? They're treating the new episode as if it's on the same quality as 7DS S3. While this mere ep is even better than both OPM 2 and 7DS 3 combined. And since when AoT was about animation only? Speaking of animation, how ironic that peeps are treating WiT studio as a "god" and when I look back then at S3P1 / S3P2 I saw tons of negative comments about the CGI and some bad shots, specifically in S3P1 episode 1, which was even obvious in the trailer. MAPPA's version has its ups and downs like WiT, maybe WiT is slightly better overall but seriously ... If "average" animation rather than "top-tier animation" is the main reason why would someone drop a series that focuses on the story and characters mainly, this is gotta be the most "monkey-based way of thinking" reason ever, no matter how you'll try to justify it. It can decrease the enjoyment for sure, but hating on it completely? Gosh. And if "animation" is the main thing to focus on, then why other Ufotable works like Tales of Zestria ain't popular? Well, guess story and characters are more impactful. |
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| who cares about animation it doesn't take away anything or distract you (cgi colossal titan lmao) I came in watching the episode rather critically and paid more attention to the visuals more than I usually do, couldn't help it because I was very aware of all the rumors and leaks. Yet even still, I was pleasantly surprised. The animation is so great that just a bit of cgi is the most ppl can complain about. |
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| Holy shit... Something wrong with you? |
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lalaland4life said: Apart from the CGI, what are your biggest issues? ————— the storyboards looked flat and reminded me of two dimensional theatre instead of three dimensional cinema, as if you’re watching it from the side instead of being there the character designs are extremely inconsistent the cgi was horrible, much worse than dorohedoro, the most irritating part is that they didn’t find a way to have the 2d elements interact with the 3d in an immersive way the usage of epic hollywood trailer OST during one of the series most pivotal depictions of the horrors of war (the aerial titan assault) turned it into an uplifting scene instead of a horrible and anti-human act the character expressions come straight from the manga and they’ve done a bad job at translating them to the animated medium, especially awkward is the animation/timing of the expressions, it looks cartoony at times layouts aren’t well composed, it was hard finding striking and dynamic shots that look like paintings in this episode the compositing is inconsistent +++++ magath and gabi look great in a couple of shots some of the backgrounds are great, but most of the muddy stuff looks below average gabi’s voice actress is awesome the style of shading is awesome (although many times, it doesn’t fit well with the static usage of facial expressions from the manga) ///// you can see that they made it with love, but it completely lacks the slickness and confidence of all of my favorite anime series |
MironBironDec 6, 2020 4:44 PM
| lol ufotable has to evade taxes to produce their anime probably not a smart business decision for anime production |
SirTristram said: I know we had so many fights but this is still sad to hear. I can understand what are you feeling right now because you mentioned how AoT helped with your depression many times. I can relate because it helped me back then as well, and I probably had the same reaction you are going through right now when the PV dropped. My whole week was gone. You'll get used to it. Thanks bro. Yeah it was fun fighting with you. Too bad that you were right in the end. I suffered from the same effect during the week of the PV but then I bought volumes 23-30 and just dove into it and it was the best decision in my life. Later I got optimistic from researching the staff, I don’t know what happened there in the end. I can advise you to read the manga. Buy it if you can and take your time. I promise you it’s much more dynamic, mature and entertaining (I legitimately get hyped reading the manga) than this episode. It’s just as amazing as WIT Studio’s Attack on Titan. |
MironBiron said: lalaland4life said: Apart from the CGI, what are your biggest issues? ————— the storyboards looked flat and reminded me of two dimensional theatre instead of three dimensional cinema, as if you’re watching it from the side instead of being there the character designs are extremely inconsistent the cgi was horrible, much worse than dorohedoro, the most irritating part is that they didn’t find a way to have the 2d elements interact with the 3d in an immersive way the usage of epic hollywood trailer OST during one of the series most pivotal depictions of the horrors of war (the aerial titan assault) turned it into an uplifting scene instead of a horrible and anti-human act the character expressions come straight for the manga and they’ve done a bad job at translating them to the animated medium, especially awkward is the animation/timing of the expressions, it looks cartoony at times layouts aren’t well composed, it was hard finding striking and dynamic shots that look like paintings in this episode the compositing is inconsistent +++++ magath and gabi look great in a couple of shots some of the backgrounds are great, but most of the muddy stuff looks below average gabi’s voice actress is awesome the style of shading is awesome (although many times, it doesn’t fit well with the static usage of facial expressions from the manga) ///// you can see that they made it with love, but it completely lacks the slickness and confidence of all of my favorite anime series Lmao. You expressed my thoughts perfectly. CGI wasn't the biggest issue, these were. I didn't like how they adapted the episode at all. Staging, expressions and everything was miles better in the manga. I don't get what is the point of changing every single panel's look and making it worse. Directing was terrible. It felt like every scene was some kind of a mug shot. |
MironBiron said: Thanks bro. Yeah it was fun fighting with you. Too bad that you were right in the end. I suffered from the same effect during the week of the PV but then I bought volumes 23-30 and just dove into it and it was the best decision in my life. Later I got optimistic from researching the staff, I don’t know what happened there in the end. I can advise you to read the manga. Buy it if you can and take your time. I promise you it’s much more dynamic, mature and entertaining (I legitimately get hyped reading the manga) than this episode. It’s just as amazing as WIT Studio’s Attack on Titan. No problem. Don't worry, I'm aboutta jump to the manga train. Any advises for motion chapter or something like that? Are there any chapters I should watch or read differently etc? Like it could be a fight I should see fan animated instead of reading or a chapter that is colored. I'll buy the colossals tomorrow and the colored ones when they are released. It will be a long time until they arrive tho. |
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