| I'm very glad that people are starting to notice the facade Attack on Titan puts on. Most of the major characters don't die, could anybody name at least three major characters that die? At first glance, it looks like the series has a lot of deaths, but I can't even name three characters that have died. Maybe one or two. |
| Well, i agree with u. What i want is more than just important/main characters died, but all characters, whether they are mc or villain all have same chance to die/treat equally, without any bs plot armor. That's why i don't like AoT, Demon Slayer, JoJo, FMA, Monster, Black Lagoon, or even Munou no Nana this season, or most action anime tbh, cause mc n nemesis are always protected by plot armor. I love sth like re zero where we can see not only subaru but everybody, rem, ram, emilia, etc, all have died in one point. ^_^ |
lswarmrulerNov 2, 2020 1:02 PM
 Try reading Spy x Family Manga ^_^ U will love it, i promise... |
| Yeah, I agree. It's just like they used death as a go to idea on how to make something that emotionally impactful. Another thing, this is just my opinion but "bad" or "tragic" ending on an anime doesn't mean it's a good anime. |
| I somewhat agree with you if it's done for primarily shock value, but in other instances it heightens the emotional engagement you have with a story. |
Nurguburu said: Hey, keeping alive your characters doesn't make your story good You literally have to keep characters alive to keep a series running... |
| I 100% agree. I want to punch every One Piece fans who wished Oda to kill Luffy within the current Wano arc and also when he was fighting with Katakuri. |
AwokenStroken said: I just can't get into something like Attack on Titan, but it kind baffles my noggin when people say "dUde cHaRaCtEr's dIe". It's just my opinion, but I feel like killing characters is the laziest way to evoke an emotion within the viewer/reader. It's okay if you disagree, I'm not trying to bash you or your favorite show. I just want to enjoy the journey with ALL the characters! Killing characters isn't just for shock value. But the reason people mention it is to tell you that the story isn't shy of having characters actions end with consequences. There are a lot of situations in stories that are a lot less tense because you know that nothing will happen anyways . A serious story has serious consequences. And that's a good thing |
| If it's executed well it can make your story very good but if it's executed the way a lot of writers are doing now days where characters's die in stupid ways for stupid reasons that could be avoided it can make your story mediocre. It's why i can't understand why people love Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans so much, it's such a mediocre series full of cheap deaths and poorly done melodrama where characters die illogical deaths over and over again just to evoke emotions out of the audience. Same shit with Akame Ga Kill. |
| the making of a good anime is very complicated, characters dying or not is just one element in the big scheme. snk is good not only because characters die, but if you don't kill them it'll become a bad anime for sure |
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wape said: Damn wape. Just shot down his entire argument. LAwokenStroken said: Why wouldn't you? Didn't you just say that "characters death make the story bad"? What exactly has changed here but didn't in some other series?First off spoilers. Wait what, I like Chainsaw Man because it's funny and badass, I couldn't care less if characters are constantly dying or not. If nothing else, you just don't like the characters themselves or the way they're written. The whole deal with "deaths make your story bad" is just an asspull on your part because of your dislike of said works. |
Kuroe021 said: Nurguburu said: Hey, keeping alive your characters doesn't make your story good You literally have to keep characters alive to keep a series running... I dunno, every single character in Angel Beats is dead and that series worked lol |
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wape said: Well then, why you like Chainsaw Man? 85% of the characters have died so if we go by your logic the whole thing is bad. If you dislike characters death in one series but like them in another not only makes you inconsistent - or perhaps indecisive but also that you have bias towards certain shows and can't help but compare them to another. No his logic actually is still pretty sound. Yes characters, a lot of characters have died in Chainsaw man but the thing is they were all executed brilliantly and weren't forced. Deaths of characters in Chainsaw man that aren't important to the story are not glorified. They simply die. Quick and to the point without the intent of trying to evoke emotion out of you. The melodrama is saved for the characters that matter. That's good writing. The problem is too many writers glorify EVERY death and try to evoke emotions out of you even for characters that don't matter like in AoT or others. |
| I gave Akame Ga Kill and DevilMan Crybaby an extra 1 rating for having the guts to say F your feelings, this is that type of show. |
| No, they were dead from the start. We didnt have high hopes of them being alive in the first place lol |
| It depends if there's a reason behind it, In many shows characters dying is used to empathize how dangerous the world or it's inhabitants are, AOT does that but fails miserably IMO since it only kills one significant character and a hundred randoms (So it's like a lazy illusion), But in stuff like Death note it shows the stakes of the conflict and one wrong step can be your doom, In Anohana the whole theme is moving on so a character dying makes sense, In Kino no tabi, Deaths serve a purpose whether it makes us explore Kino's character more, Or the culture of the country he visited. It just depends on the reason behind it, If there's no reason and they just want you to cry, Then yeah that sux. |
| I don't speak English that much, so please cut me some slack |
20m said: No, they were dead from the start. We didnt have high hopes of them being alive in the first place lol I didn't say they that they weren't dead from the start though lol |
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Fario-P said: He meant dead in the literal sense of not appearing on your screen, idk if your just blatantly missing the point so I had to go a little bit in depth20m said: No, they were dead from the start. We didnt have high hopes of them being alive in the first place lol I didn't say they that they weren't dead from the start though lol |
StealthBlack said: I gave Akame Ga Kill and DevilMan Crybaby an extra 1 rating for having the guts to say F your feelings, this is that type of show. Akame Ga Kill deaths weren't even done well though lol so cheesy. |
| no it's not, it's just usual plot armour are criticise, so when author killing his character he's not getting criticise for plot armour and for free writing, which is considered good writing, but that's not mean the story is good but the writing. |
| Your half right and half wrong. Akame Ga Kill’s death’s wouldn’t have been terrible if they had more meaning to the characters, but nope the story wanted to |
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wape said: AwokenStroken said: Both share the same overall value. One is the opposite of the other and the point still stands.No I didn't say "a characters death makes a story bad" I don't know why you just want to argue here. I never said "deaths make your story bad", I said it doesn't make your story good. I'm trying to understand your logic but it seems you ain't capable to properly explain it to me. If you go by that mentality then there are ZERO things you dislike in your favorite shows, He's talking about a single component and saying that one component is bad in a show isn't equal to saying the whole thing is bad |
| I don't speak English that much, so please cut me some slack |
| Killing characters make the story darker, me I like that. It's a reason why I'm not really enjoying Fail Tail it's waaaaay to happy for a Battle Shounen. And it fits in Attack on the big guys that characters dies left and right as they are fighting something stronger then themself. Naruto's main story at the start didn't have many death either, but the few it had, did a nice impact on Naruto and maked the story a tiny bit darker, like I said i like it. Feels is something I think shows need and it makes normal the show better too. King's Game The Animation made by Seven is just a fun show where people die right and the left. The killing really fits the show and makes it better most of the time. |
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Fario-P said: 20m said: No, they were dead from the start. We didnt have high hopes of them being alive in the first place lol I didn't say they that they weren't dead from the start though lol Well, they're "alive" in some kind "afterworld", not a living world. |
KurosteinnNov 2, 2020 1:35 PM
| This is literally my feelings about Akame ga Kill. |
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wape said: Well then, why you like Chainsaw Man? 85% of the characters have died so if we go by your logic the whole thing is bad. If you dislike characters death in one series but like them in another not only makes you inconsistent - or perhaps indecisive but also that you have bias towards certain shows and can't help but compare them to another. Your argument has instantly been made invalid, OP. Characters dying is just how stories are, deaths develop the protagonist. You can't have motherfuckers staying alive for the whole show. Where's your logic? |
| I agree to an extent. But there is definitely value in a series showing you outright that no one, not even the main characters, have plot armor. |
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| depends on the show my dude, if those so called people who got killed barely got any characterization and were just flat out killed thus being only used as a plot device (ehem.. Akame ga kill) then yes it is a bad show. |
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Promethazine said: wape said: Well then, why you like Chainsaw Man? 85% of the characters have died so if we go by your logic the whole thing is bad. If you dislike characters death in one series but like them in another not only makes you inconsistent - or perhaps indecisive but also that you have bias towards certain shows and can't help but compare them to another. Your argument has instantly been made invalid, OP. Characters dying is just how stories are, deaths develop the protagonist. You can't have motherfuckers staying alive for the whole show. Where's your logic? What are you talking about? Characters can develop without dying lol. |
Hrybami said: Promethazine said: Your argument has instantly been made invalid, OP. Characters dying is just how stories are, deaths develop the protagonist. You can't have motherfuckers staying alive for the whole show. Where's your logic? What are you talking about? Characters can develop without dying lol. Side characters deaths are there to develop the protagonist, you really expect some of them to stay alive for the entire show? I'm not talking about the main protagonist dawg LOL |
Promethazine said: Side characters deaths are there to develop the protagonist, you really expect some of them to stay alive for the entire show? I'm not talking about the main protagonist dawg LOL You say this like if death was obligatory for developing the protagonist. |
Hrybami said: Promethazine said: Side characters deaths are there to develop the protagonist, you really expect some of them to stay alive for the entire show? I'm not talking about the main protagonist dawg LOL You say this like if death was obligatory for developing the protagonist. No, I'm not saying it's Hrybami said: Promethazine said: Side characters deaths are there to develop the protagonist, you really expect some of them to stay alive for the entire show? I'm not talking about the main protagonist dawg LOL You say this like if death was obligatory for developing the protagonist. I never said it's obligatory, I'm saying if they die, it's there to develop the protagonist. Are you high? Who the fuck said it was mandatory for a side character to die in order for a protag to develop? I'm simply saying if a certain side character dies, it's there in order to develop the protagonist. |
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