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Apr 20, 2019 7:20 PM
#351
K-pop should be obliterated and abolished from what I've seen spouted on this thread, some of you fans make me ashamed and remind me of why I stay away from the genre, cause you don't care about the music, all you care about is fetishizing the groups and individual members... J-Pop is superior fix ur ears!!!!! |
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Apr 22, 2019 7:32 AM
#352
Aidoru-Ojisan said: K-pop should be obliterated and abolished from what I've seen spouted on this thread, some of you fans make me ashamed and remind me of why I stay away from the genre, cause you don't care about the music, all you care about is fetishizing the groups and individual members... J-Pop is superior fix ur ears!!!!! Excuse me, what would happen if white supremacist called K-pop "white genocide", would you side with them? Are you willing to become racist toward Korean and Chinese if that happen. |
Apr 22, 2019 9:42 AM
#353
cause kpop is all about the imagery and not about the music; better selling product, major popularity |
Apr 22, 2019 10:15 AM
#355
mdo7 said: Aidoru-Ojisan said: K-pop should be obliterated and abolished from what I've seen spouted on this thread, some of you fans make me ashamed and remind me of why I stay away from the genre, cause you don't care about the music, all you care about is fetishizing the groups and individual members... J-Pop is superior fix ur ears!!!!! Excuse me, what would happen if white supremacist called K-pop "white genocide", would you side with them? Are you willing to become racist toward Korean and Chinese if that happen. So... me wanting a trend/style of music dying off leading to you asking me if I would side with Neo-Nazis is literally proving my point to why I stay away from the genre, please stop making the K-Pop fanbase bad and yourself look like a self-righteous fool. This has nothing to do with race and has only to do with the music. |
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Apr 22, 2019 1:48 PM
#356
Aidoru-Ojisan said: So... me wanting a trend/style of music dying off leading to you asking me if I would side with Neo-Nazis is literally proving my point to why I stay away from the genre, please stop making the K-Pop fanbase bad and yourself look like a self-righteous fool. This has nothing to do with race and has only to do with the music. Because some J-pop fans have started to become racist toward Korean and K-pop idols. Even though you're not racist, a white supremacist/alt-right can lure disgruntled J-pop fans and K-pop haters like you into white supremacy In case if you didn't know, K-pop has faced racist backlash in the past: If you hated K-pop, would you be OK with K-pop idols facing racist and racism. Hence why I asked you that question if you would ever side with neo-nazis/alt-right/white supremacist if they ever attack K-pop. |
Apr 22, 2019 3:10 PM
#357
mdo7 said: Aidoru-Ojisan said: So... me wanting a trend/style of music dying off leading to you asking me if I would side with Neo-Nazis is literally proving my point to why I stay away from the genre, please stop making the K-Pop fanbase bad and yourself look like a self-righteous fool. This has nothing to do with race and has only to do with the music. Because some J-pop fans have started to become racist toward Korean and K-pop idols. Even though you're not racist, a white supremacist/alt-right can lure disgruntled J-pop fans and K-pop haters like you into white supremacy In case if you didn't know, K-pop has faced racist backlash in the past: If you hated K-pop, would you be OK with K-pop idols facing racist and racism. Hence why I asked you that question if you would ever side with neo-nazis/alt-right/white supremacist if they ever attack K-pop. Lol here's the idiotic alt right making themselves look like idiots again and putting folks like me who are only critical on the music itself and fan culture look bad. I don't care about the idols, their gender, race, or sexuality. All I care about is the music their company tells them to make and I am not a fan of it or their fan base, I have no reason to attack them only criticize their music and fans. |
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Apr 22, 2019 8:02 PM
#358
Aidoru-Ojisan said: Lol here's the idiotic alt right making themselves look like idiots again and putting folks like me who are only critical on the music itself and fan culture look bad. I don't care about the idols, their gender, race, or sexuality. All I care about is the music their company tells them to make and I am not a fan of it or their fan base, I have no reason to attack them only criticize their music and fans. I'm not going to veer off topic over this. But I wish I could talk to you privately instead of talking about it on this thread. |
Apr 22, 2019 9:20 PM
#359
@mdo7 I mean there's really no reason to discuss this further with me since like I state I only focus on the music and fanbase that makes my opinion towards K-Pop negative. I am critical of this genre as I am with other music I don't like. Will there be a day when I lighten up to the genre? Maybe when it starts to die out in popularity and all the toxic fans will be gone and all that will remain are the fans that only care about the music who can rec me modern k-pop records I can enjoy. |
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Apr 22, 2019 10:14 PM
#360
Aidoru-Ojisan said: Maybe when it starts to die out in popularity and all the toxic fans will be gone and all that will remain are the fans that only care about the music who can rec me modern k-pop records I can enjoy. J-pop (and J-rock/visual Kei) fandom had a lot of toxic fan back then pre-2009 even before K-pop took over the world. If you don't believe me then go read this from 2005: Japanese music: Elitist and Rabid Fangirls (or boys) They are no different from today's K-pop fanbases. Also I'm worried about some of these toxic rabid J-pop/J-music fans having hatred toward K-pop and Korean in general, why? Well let me explain: I don't know what race you are, but you do know that K-pop can face racist backlash because of this reason. you said: Lol here's the idiotic alt right making themselves look like idiots again and putting folks like me who are only critical on the music itself and fan culture look bad. Oh, it goes beyond that. Were you aware that the alt-right have a weird fetish for Japan? Here's Why There's Anime Fan Art Of President Trump All Over Your Facebook: Here's how Japan's infamous online army, the netto-uyoku, has shaped the far-right movement in America Why is Japan the ideal country according to the Alt-Right movement Why Do Anonymous Twitter Trolls Use Anime Avatars? And do you know about Japan's "hatred" toward Koreans: Japan's resident Koreans endure a climate of hate Japan’s Growing Anti-Korea Sentiment Japan's 'Internet Nationalists' Really Hate Koreans And K-pop has been victim of anti-Korean right-wing movement from Japan: Most Ridiculous Anti-Hallyu Movements in Japan 2011 article: Anti-Hallyu Protest Takes Place in Japan 2011 article part 2: Japanese Anti-Hallyu Protests Continue Variety article: Japanese rally against Fuji TV 2012 report: Japanese Netizens: Anti-Hallyu or Not? Do you know what happen if alt-right that are obsessed with Japan were brainwash to hate Korean and Chinese. That could lead to K-pop and it's fandom in the US being put in danger. I've seen alt-right and white supremacist using Fortnite to lure people into white supremacy and I've seen white supremacist trying to recruit anti-vaxxers into their movement of hatred. If there was a racist backlash against K-pop, those people that hate K-pop whether they're bigots, or J-pop fans that hate K-pop, or whatever reason they hate K-pop. White Supremacist/alt-right can use the backlash against K-pop to help recruit members. In other word: A J-pop fan that hate K-pop (like you Aidoru-Ojisan) can be lured into white supremacy. I've met some of these racist J-pop fans that hate K-pop and Koreans, and I've met J-pop fans that hate K-pop with a passion. I have a big concern if K-pop get a racist backlash and get called "white genocide", those J-pop fans that hate K-pop can be recruited to become a white supremacist. you said: All I care about is the music their company tells them to make and I am not a fan of it or their fan base, I have no reason to attack them only criticize their music and fans. Well you said it yourself when you wrote this: you said: J-Pop is superior fix ur ears!!!!! How do I know you won't be brainwash to become a anti-Korean pro-Japanese white supremacist, an alt-right/white supremacist that is obsessed with Japan and adopted a anti-Korean/anti-Kpop platform are smart enough how to lure a person like you into white supremacy. Well you might not be a bigot toward Korean, but your hatred of K-pop can be turned into hating Korean with successful "red-pilling" and brainwashing. I've seen a non-racist person slowly become a racist via brainwashing, and "red-pilling". I don't know how much you hate K-pop, but a white supremacist/alt-right can "break" you, "red-pill", and with enough brainwashing, you can turned from hating K-pop to hating Korean, and after that you can end up hating Jews, Mexicans, Chinese, all because of a white supremacist turn your hatred of K-pop into hatred of Korean and beyond. Yes, it's possible for a white supremacist to turn a K-pop hating J-pop fan into a white supremacist. There are many reason why a J-pop fan can develop jealousy and hatred toward K-pop: -Many of their friends that used to love J-pop became K-pop fans and never went back to J-pop. That J-pop fan lost a lot of friend when they became K-pop fans. -Jpop fandom before 2009 used to had a bigger fanbases then K-pop. When K-pop took over, that J-pop fanbase move to K-pop and that J-pop fan that saw this take their anger out at K-pop fandom. -Jpop get criticized, ridiculed, and stigmatized by K-pop fandom (and also mainstream music fans). That can make a J-pop fan not only develop hatred toward K-pop but probably Korean in general. So yes, a J-pop fan can be recruited by white supremacy for the reason I said above. When J-pop get stigmatized, that makes those J-pop fans more vulnerable to being recruited to white supremacist ideology with pro-Japanese bias. That's why I fear for K-pop fandom. |
Apr 22, 2019 10:25 PM
#361
@mdo7 the fact you couldn't sense the sarcasm in the last part of my first post literally makes me sad that you are willing to waste both of our times on this neo-nazi theory that I have nothing to do with and never will cause straight edge punks like me hate NS ideology and folks. Please do me a favor and consider that disliking a form of music can just be based off personal opinion and not this bull shit white supremacy ideology that only young edgy idiots from chan sites believe in. All music genres have a toxic fanbase but K-Pop's is just more noticeable. Anyways for the last time I don't have nor will ever be involved with NS shit, especially when it comes down to disliking a goddamn music genre, Nazi Punks F*ck Off as Dead Kennedys said. |
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Apr 22, 2019 10:31 PM
#362
@Aidoru-Ojisan Were you aware that 2 former AKB48 members have become K-pop idols? Former AKB48 member Takeuchi Miyu joins Mystic Entertainment, will debut as a K-pop idol Juri Takahashi, former AKB48 join Woolim Entertainment, will become a K-pop idol What do you think going to happen if more Japanese artists/idols decided to quit J-pop and become K-pop? Would you hate J-pop because of the J-idols pandering to K-pop fanbase? What would happen if Kyary Pamyu Pamyu may decide to sign under YG entertainment for a Korean debut (and to remake her hit music into Korean to make it "marketable" toward K-pop fanbases), she has said it that she adore G-Dragon: So it wouldn't be crazy if Kyary decided to sign under YG Entertainment if that was to happen. Could Perfume decide to do a K-pop remake of their hit J-pop song? I think that's possible, their music are unique but the Japanese language won't get a lot of attention from K-pop fanbase, so how do you get K-pop fanbase to listen to Perfume, remaking it into K-pop could be the only way for it to work. |
Apr 22, 2019 10:34 PM
#363
Aidoru-Ojisan said: Anyways for the last time I don't have nor will ever be involved with NS shit, especially when it comes down to disliking a goddamn music genre, Nazi Punks F*ck Off as Dead Kennedys said. Well I better hope that you don't get lure into that hateful ideology, there will be K-pop haters and those haters can be lure into white supremacy if white supremacist and K-pop haters share similar interest. |
Apr 22, 2019 10:45 PM
#364
mdo7 said: Aidoru-Ojisan said: Anyways for the last time I don't have nor will ever be involved with NS shit, especially when it comes down to disliking a goddamn music genre, Nazi Punks F*ck Off as Dead Kennedys said. Well I better hope that you don't get lure into that hateful ideology, there will be K-pop haters and those haters can be lure into white supremacy if white supremacist and K-pop haters share similar interest. I mean... in your view wouldn't anyone who hates on a genre from a different country/language have the potential to fall into NS ideology? That's just stupid like the young edgy kids that think it's cool to get into that shit, just always consider that side is small compared to the side like mine that dislikes a genre because of how it sounds vs the language or race that is singing it. That's what should matter the most when it comes to music, the sound, music is the most free and expressive art form due to how it is not shackled by the idealogies or rules of man. I don't like K-Pop for the reason that it is shackled and is more of a product rather than an art, that is one of my main reasons why I shake my head to modern k-pop but as I stated before the "Stan culture" and toxicity that can be found withing the genre bothers me too. So I want to make sure that you get it clear that this is why I dislike K-Pop, anyways to your question from before. Would I hate these J-Pop artists if they decided to join a K-Pop music company instead and switched to doing modern k-pop music? Hate?... nah, dissapointed? Yes, cause an artist I gave my time and ears to decided to switch to a music form that I dislike, simple as that. |
Aidoru-OjisanApr 22, 2019 10:48 PM
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Apr 22, 2019 10:52 PM
#365
Aidoru-Ojisan said: Would I hate these J-Pop artists if they decided to join a K-Pop music company instead and switched to doing modern k-pop music? Hate?... nah, dissapointed? Yes, cause an artist I gave my time and ears to decided to switch to a music form that I dislike, simple as that. So you would stop listening to Kyary Pamyu Pamyu and Perfume if they decided to remake and release a Kpop/Korean-language album to pander to K-pop fanbase? in your view wouldn't anyone who hates on a genre from a different country/language have the potential to fall into NS ideology? Regarding that question, that get really complicated and probably way too off topic. If you want me to answer that, you'll have to either allow me to private message you for me to answer that particular question. |
Apr 23, 2019 10:49 AM
#366
If, through successful diplomacy between the two countries of North and South Korea, the North state allowed and even sponsored the creation of NK-Pop groups for the purpose of generating capital and changing the global view of North Korea, would you support and purchase their growing body of work? DPRKcore records would likely begin to ship out by the dozens within a few short years now that I think about it. Do you think the artists families would be rounded up and sent to ruthless labor camps to mine for the state if the albums failed to crack the million sales goal? I reckon fans would then have a moral obligation to buy the album 2 or 3 times in an effort to save them from certain doom. Also I thought K-pop was a new brand of soda trying to make a name for itself from Kentucky. |
Apr 23, 2019 1:04 PM
#367
Because thots are slowly taking over the world. |
May 8, 2019 9:13 PM
#368
@Aidoru-Ojisan If you want to see evidence that K-pop can face racist backlash, go read this: Nextshark: BTS ARMY Shut Down Fragile Men on Twitter Over Racist Comments About BTS Suga at Dodgers Game You said you wouldn't be recruited or attracted to Alt-right or white nationalism ideology if K-pop face racist backlash. Can I ask you a question: What would you do if you saw a J-pop fan or you had friend that are big fan of J-pop who hated K-pop with a passion was attracted to alt-right/white nationalists targeting K-pop and it's fanbase and said something like "you know what, I agree with them. K-pop is poison and causing white genocide!!! J-pop don't cause white genocide. Japanese people are superior over Koreans!!!! Aidoru-Ojisan I know you dislike K-pop, but what would you do if K-pop face a racist backlash and you see J-pop fans that hate K-pop being lured into alt-right ideology? Would you defend K-pop from these white supremacist even if you dislike or hate K-pop? |
May 8, 2019 9:16 PM
#369
@mdo7 what I would do is tell you to buzz off and don't @ me bout this stuff anymore. Clearly I was done with all of this since I didn't reply to you for a few weeks, now goodbye and godspeed. |
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Aug 19, 2020 11:24 AM
#370
I hate to revive this thread, but yeah, I knew this would happen. A former J-pop idol made a controversy about BTS, Twice, and on how K-pop break into the US market. He also said this about his former boy group he used to be part of and said that J-pop could've break into the US if J-pop had English-speaking member which is not 100% accurate: That's not 100% accurate because I know some K-pop groups that don't have any English speakers and they still get attention in the US like for example, LOONA was interviewed by MTV News: And they were interviewed by Teen Vogue. And this group doesn't have any fluent English speaking members. And yes, they've gotten a lot of attention in the US that they created a US-based website to promote in USA. And I wouldn't be surprised if LOONA can become the next BTS/Blackpink because of what LOONA did in the US: LOONA’s “X X” Soars To Top Of US iTunes Albums Chart As Fans Campaign To “Save LOONA” LOONA Becomes 1st K-Pop Girl Group To Reach No. 1 On Both US iTunes’s Top Songs And Albums Charts And any of you remember in June, when K-pop fans in the US took part in political activism: Because of this, I've seen some J-pop fans on Twitter asking and even questioning their own fandom on "Why are we not active like our K-pop counterpart?". So yeah, this is where J-pop fans should be starting to question themselves the same way Japanese filmmakers and film industry in Japan should be asking and questioning themselves after Parasite winning Best Pictures at the Academy Awards. |
Aug 19, 2020 12:34 PM
#371
Dude, you got it backwards |
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Aug 19, 2020 12:37 PM
#372
Oh, what do you mean? I don't see any J-pop act getting a lot of spotlight is getting, and that's a fact. |
Aug 19, 2020 12:43 PM
#373
mdo7 said: Oh, what do you mean? I don't see any J-pop act getting a lot of spotlight is getting, and that's a fact. Jpop is just normal Kpop is the controversial one.I've personally seen more hate towards it than acceptance |
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Aug 19, 2020 12:49 PM
#374
Fatephile said: Jpop is just normal Kpop is the controversial one.I've personally seen more hate towards it than acceptance Why would K-pop be more controversial? I don't understand, were you aware that K-pop groups has been getting more interview by US media lately: You mean it doesn't bother you that Selena Gomez collaborated with Blackpink: I mean I can see a lot of J-pop and J-musicians not happy that their Korean counterpart are getting more international fame then them. |
Aug 19, 2020 12:56 PM
#375
They're not accepted lol. Over here in America, people don't care about that k pop shit with grown men wearing make up and skinny jeans looking like bitches. only young girls like that shit. i like j pop and I don't see any hate towards j pop fans really idk what you're talking about. |
Aug 19, 2020 12:58 PM
#376
MrDucktape said: They're not accepted lol. Over here in America, people don't care about that k pop shit with grown men wearing make up and skinny jeans looking like bitches. only young girls like that shit. i like j pop and I don't see any hate towards j pop fans really idk what you're talking about. Some men just don't want to accept the fact that a man wearing make up and jewels like a girl is gross not cute.How do girls even like that? |
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Aug 19, 2020 1:01 PM
#377
MrDucktape said: They're not accepted lol. Over here in America, people don't care about that k pop shit with grown men wearing make up and skinny jeans looking like bitches. only young girls like that shit. i like j pop and I don't see any hate towards j pop fans really idk what you're talking about. Then why did Billboard created a K-pop section, but not a J-pop section. Also explain this: Former NEWS Member Yuya Tegoshi Critcized For His Opinion On Why BTS And TWICE Are Popular Also what about 2 former AKB48 that crossover to K-pop? What, did you forget Juri Takahashi becoming a K-pop idol after her AKB48 days. |
Aug 19, 2020 1:05 PM
#378
@mdo7 I'm talking about the average American. The average American doesn't give a fuck about these skinny jean wearing punk ass kpop kids. Billboard doesn't prove shit lol. You overestimate how popular these groups are here. No one here gives a fuck about bts exo or whatever besides little girls. |
Aug 19, 2020 1:07 PM
#379
Fatephile said: MrDucktape said: They're not accepted lol. Over here in America, people don't care about that k pop shit with grown men wearing make up and skinny jeans looking like bitches. only young girls like that shit. i like j pop and I don't see any hate towards j pop fans really idk what you're talking about. Some men just don't want to accept the fact that a man wearing make up and jewels like a girl is gross not cute.How do girls even like that? Does that mean John Cena should be hated because he is a big fan of BTS? Oh, and what if I told you the GOP politician that hates anime also hated BTS and K-pop: Florida Congressional Candidate, KW Miller, Warns of Internet 'Anime Porn' Like 'Dragon Ball Z' yeah he also went after BTS and K-pop calling it foreign propaganda: KW Miller Says K-Pop Is “Foreign Propaganda” & Calls BTS “Big Time Socialists” Does that mean he should be forgiven for hating on DBZ and anime just because he hated BTS and K-pop? CC @MrDuckTape |
Sep 10, 2020 9:05 PM
#380
Probably cause of the shit otakus do in Japan like stalking and how one simp took it too far and tried to kill himself in front of his idol 4 retiring |
Sep 11, 2020 9:52 AM
#381
Crow_Black said: Probably cause of the shit otakus do in Japan like stalking and how one simp took it too far and tried to kill himself in front of his idol 4 retiring Uh, I'm not sure how that relate to J-pop being behind their K-pop counterpart. I'm not sure if you've seen this video in one of my previous post about a former J-pop idol making some "controversial" statements about how K-pop broke into the US market. |
Sep 11, 2020 1:02 PM
#382
mdo7 said: Crow_Black said: Probably cause of the shit otakus do in Japan like stalking and how one simp took it too far and tried to kill himself in front of his idol 4 retiring Uh, I'm not sure how that relate to J-pop being behind their K-pop counterpart. I'm not sure if you've seen this video in one of my previous post about a former J-pop idol making some "controversial" statements about how K-pop broke into the US market. I really don't think these k-pop fan girls are going to be fans of the genre at all anymore because they'll end up as miserable wage slave cucks for daddy corporation and they have to learn how to swallow in order to get ahead of the career. |
Sep 11, 2020 1:15 PM
#383
Crow_Black said: I really don't think these k-pop fan girls are going to be fans of the genre at all anymore because they'll end up as miserable wage slave cucks for daddy corporation and they have to learn how to swallow in order to get ahead of the career. Well, what make you say that. I mean were you aware that there are a lot more K-pop fans more then J-pop and anime fandom combined (minding you that there is a crossover between K-pop and anime fandom). |
mdo7Sep 11, 2020 5:08 PM
Sep 11, 2020 4:07 PM
#384
Working in a K-pop has become dangerously industrious when it comes to its entertainment industry’s priority. For sure, most K-pop stans only focuses on what each handsome member is presenting other than the song content itself. Well, we truly understand that it’s pop genre, and most of it are reflected to the majority’s demand. Boy with Luv, for examples, reflected about male’s infatuation. |
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Sep 11, 2020 5:22 PM
#385
imagine being a grown man and listening to kpop lol |
Sep 12, 2020 11:04 AM
#386
Energized said: imagine being a grown man and listening to kpop lol Go tell that to John Cena. |
Sep 12, 2020 6:46 PM
#387
mdo7 said: Energized said: imagine being a grown man and listening to kpop lol Go tell that to John Cena. John Cena doesn't give a shit about k-pop. He's just using BTS's name to become relevant and to hop on the bandwagon. It's an act. |
Sep 12, 2020 8:49 PM
#388
mdo7 said: Crow_Black said: I really don't think these k-pop fan girls are going to be fans of the genre at all anymore because they'll end up as miserable wage slave cucks for daddy corporation and they have to learn how to swallow in order to get ahead of the career. Well, what make you say that. I mean were you aware that there are a lot more K-pop fans more then J-pop and anime fandom combined (minding you that there is a crossover between K-pop and anime fandom). I see it as just a fad that comes and goes like how many girls grow out of the boyband worship stages when they get older i mean i lost count on how many stuff you could find of their favorite idol at the thrift stores you visit. |
Sep 12, 2020 8:56 PM
#389
truth be told i can't stand kpop or its fans at all and its just wishful fucking thinking at this point to think they'll grow outta it like how girls would grow out of liking twilight or favorite pop idols or whatever and donate their stuff to thrift stores. |
Sep 13, 2020 7:54 AM
#390
Energized said: John Cena doesn't give a shit about k-pop. He's just using BTS's name to become relevant and to hop on the bandwagon. It's an act. So you think every celebrities that are K-pop fans are a lie, why would you say that for? So you're saying when Popeye the Sailor and Betty Boop tweeted K-pop content on their Twitter feed are what? "fake"? Crow_Black said: I see it as just a fad that comes and goes like how many girls grow out of the boyband worship stages when they get older i mean i lost count on how many stuff you could find of their favorite idol at the thrift stores you visit. Crow_Black said: truth be told i can't stand kpop or its fans at all and its just wishful fucking thinking at this point to think they'll grow outta it like how girls would grow out of liking twilight or favorite pop idols or whatever and donate their stuff to thrift stores. @Crow_Black, uh, I don't know if you were around in late 2000's. There are anime fans that did branch out to K-pop around mid to late 2000's (I know because I was an active anime fan in late 2000's). If you think K-pop is a fad, then why are you in anime fandom for? Because there was a time anime was a fad and I know because I was there when anime started to became more popular then K-pop back then. After I believe 2010/2011, anime didn't have the "popular" edge that it used to had back in mid to late 2000's. |
Sep 13, 2020 3:20 PM
#391
I didn't know about this... this is definitely interesting as my friend group thinks quite the opposite (probably because they like j pop more) |
Sep 13, 2020 3:35 PM
#392
mdo7 said: Energized said: John Cena doesn't give a shit about k-pop. He's just using BTS's name to become relevant and to hop on the bandwagon. It's an act. So you think every celebrities that are K-pop fans are a lie, why would you say that for? So you're saying when Popeye the Sailor and Betty Boop tweeted K-pop content on their Twitter feed are what? "fake"? Crow_Black said: I see it as just a fad that comes and goes like how many girls grow out of the boyband worship stages when they get older i mean i lost count on how many stuff you could find of their favorite idol at the thrift stores you visit. Crow_Black said: truth be told i can't stand kpop or its fans at all and its just wishful fucking thinking at this point to think they'll grow outta it like how girls would grow out of liking twilight or favorite pop idols or whatever and donate their stuff to thrift stores. @Crow_Black, uh, I don't know if you were around in late 2000's. There are anime fans that did branch out to K-pop around mid to late 2000's (I know because I was an active anime fan in late 2000's). If you think K-pop is a fad, then why are you in anime fandom for? Because there was a time anime was a fad and I know because I was there when anime started to became more popular then K-pop back then. After I believe 2010/2011, anime didn't have the "popular" edge that it used to had back in mid to late 2000's. I've been a anime fan for throughout the 2000s and i'd never heard of anybody getting into k-pop it was other genres from Dubstep to metal outside of Linkin Park. And there was plenty of early 2010s edgy anime out there from Psycho Pass,Madoka and Black Butler and those shows became quite hits especially with how Madoka popularized more darker anime being made and making the magical girl genre acessible to all crowds. And i still stand by my point with how k-pop is complete total cancer trash and thats all i really have to say about the subject cause i know if i talk more about this it will be like going around in a circle. |
Disapeared_GhostSep 13, 2020 3:40 PM
Sep 17, 2020 5:57 PM
#393
classicduck said: I didn't know about this... this is definitely interesting as my friend group thinks quite the opposite (probably because they like j pop more) Uh, OK. So they didn't bother asking why BTS and Blackpink were getting a lot of attention. So how did your friend not know about K-pop? I mean K-pop has been getting a lot of attention in the US since 2009/2010, and your friends didn't just know about K-pop. I mean did they not know or pay attention at all? Crow_Black said: I've been a anime fan for throughout the 2000s and i'd never heard of anybody getting into k-pop it was other genres from Dubstep to metal outside of Linkin Park. And there was plenty of early 2010s edgy anime out there from Psycho Pass,Madoka and Black Butler and those shows became quite hits especially with how Madoka popularized more darker anime being made and making the magical girl genre acessible to all crowds. And i still stand by my point with how k-pop is complete total cancer trash and thats all i really have to say about the subject cause i know if i talk more about this it will be like going around in a circle. @Crow_Black, regarding the part I bold and underline, ugh how can you be a anime fans since early 2000's since your MAL profile said you were born in 1997. Also don't tell me you didn't know Crunchyroll used to had a lot of Korean dramas back then, like for example this K-drama was actually on Crunchyroll at one time. Crunchyroll used to had a lot of Korean TV dramas alongside anime back then. And I'm not making this up: From 2010: NEW Korean Drama on Crunchyroll! From 2012: K-dramas Updated! There was actually plan for Crunchyroll to expand it's Korean TV drama catalog, before well there was change in plan. And Crunchyroll forum had a lot of K-pop and non-anime Asian entertainment and gossip section back then: CR forum from 2007: Japanese Pop VS Korean Pop CR forum: Is it just me or are kpop stars exactly like anime characters There was even a forum on CR dedicated to K-pop boy group, TVXQ. I don't know how you didn't know that. Also, beside TVXQ, you never heard (or should've heard) of BoA. BoA is a K-pop idol that broke into the Japanese market in early 2000's, some of her songs were used in several anime like Inuyasha, and Fairy Tail. She was responsible for getting a lot of anime fans in early 2000's for finding K-pop. You should've been aware of these if you're a long time anime fan. How on earth did you not know about these, Crow_Black? |
Sep 17, 2020 6:01 PM
#394
[quote=mdo7 message=60735845] classicduck said: I didn't know about this... this is definitely interesting as my friend group thinks quite the opposite (probably because they like j pop more) Uh, OK. So they didn't bother asking why BTS and Blackpink were getting a lot of attention. So how did your friend not know about K-pop? I mean K-pop has been getting a lot of attention in the US since 2009/2010, and your friends didn't just know about K-pop. I mean did they not know or pay attention at all? i never said anyhting about them not knowing, they just don't like it as much |
Sep 17, 2020 6:09 PM
#395
Well you wrote this: classicduck said: I didn't know about this... this is definitely interesting as my friend group thinks quite the opposite (probably because they like j pop more) It sounded like your friends didn't keep up with what going on in the music world. K-pop has been gaining mainstream attention in the US since 2012. I have to ask, what were they doing in 2017 when BTS performed at the AMA, or their performance in the 2018 New year eve performance. You're telling me your J-pop loving friends didn't see this former J-pop idols causing a controversy about K-pop breaking into the US: |
Sep 17, 2020 8:12 PM
#396
mdo7 said: Well you wrote this: classicduck said: I didn't know about this... this is definitely interesting as my friend group thinks quite the opposite (probably because they like j pop more) It sounded like your friends didn't keep up with what going on in the music world. K-pop has been gaining mainstream attention in the US since 2012. I have to ask, what were they doing in 2017 when BTS performed at the AMA, or their performance in the 2018 New year eve performance. You're telling me your J-pop loving friends didn't see this former J-pop idols causing a controversy about K-pop breaking into the US: they know about kpop, they just don't like it as much (at least in public)... I mean, the k-pop community drives a lot of people away due to the toxicity, so some people just don't want to get into it. And for jpop I guess they just like anime music |
Sep 17, 2020 8:14 PM
#397
FacelessVixen said: So... This is still going on? ...Since November 29th apparently? We're going for two months now? I don't know whether to slowly walk away in genuine concern for the well-being of our fellow MAL brethren and organize some sort of intervention, or kick back and enjoy this train wreck of which I can't seem to look away from. Hey @hotsushikun, do you have any advice? yeah, its quite sad.... the kpop community is among some of the less good ones, not saying the people who like kpop though, just the community |
Sep 17, 2020 9:31 PM
#398
classicduck said: they know about kpop, they just don't like it as much (at least in public)... I mean, the k-pop community drives a lot of people away due to the toxicity, so some people just don't want to get into it. And for jpop I guess they just like anime music Just to be fair, J-pop and J-music fandom had a lot of toxic fans too back in early 2000's. Some toxic J-pop fans have become racist towards K-pop fandom because they claim that K-pop "robbed" J-pop of their global fame and potential. |
Sep 19, 2020 7:15 PM
#399
5 years later this thread is still being talked about. Well, I think J-Pop is really more niche than K-Pop, although I do prefer the former. K-Pop is labelled as 'hot' and J-Pop is more of a mixed reaction. |
Sep 20, 2020 8:48 AM
#400
TheZilla said: 5 years later this thread is still being talked about. Well, I think J-Pop is really more niche than K-Pop, although I do prefer the former. K-Pop is labelled as 'hot' and J-Pop is more of a mixed reaction. Well for J-pop, it's unfortunate and we're now seeing even former J-pop idols speaking out about K-pop (like in the case of Yuya Tegoshi former member of NEWS), and some J-pop idols transitioning to K-pop (like in the case of the 2 former AKB48 members). |
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