logic340 said: What are your thoughts on Kiiruma's list claim, and Mishu being redirected but Wisp still dying?Logic Phraze Abu Shinichi yurkin RE Mishukax Ironace Kiiruma |
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RE said: And your thoughts on yurkin's posts during day 2, where she frequently accused Kiana of being the lost bunny?logic340 said: What are your thoughts on Kiiruma's list claim, and Mishu being redirected but Wisp still dying?Logic Phraze Abu Shinichi yurkin RE Mishukax Ironace Kiiruma |
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Mishukax said: did you use your ability N2?Don't jail my arse, I have literally nothing to say. Plus I have a visit to make. Can you confirm that you were RB'd? |
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logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: i figured she wouldn't be helpful. At leastr we can ISO the three badies to try and narrow it down through interactions. I'll try to do a VCA later. Would be nice if you could tell us who you think her last partner was?Sucks she wouldn't tell us her results Game logic says its ironace, my gut says it's you XD. |
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RE said: kiiruma I've never seen kiiruma focus so heavily on mechanics. I need to see some actual thought process. While it's not supposed to be a town clearing mechanic but it seems he may actually have a point thinking about it.logic340 said: What are your thoughts on Kiiruma's list claim, and Mishu being redirected but Wisp still dying?Logic Phraze Abu Shinichi yurkin RE Mishukax Ironace Kiiruma Mishikax being redirected doesn't clear him for me because of this vvvv AbuHumaid said: Though it should be unlikely that conf!scum.dono woild be making fhe kill.I jailed Mishu, he can't be scum now, unless Awa did the kill. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Game logic;I'm kind of down to ace as well. His egg is very mafia friendly, also he said he chose it to scree with things but then doesn't due to being absent D1? So he's far from clear to me which is unusual for me this late in a game. logic340 said: i figured she wouldn't be helpful. At leastr we can ISO the three badies to try and narrow it down through interactions. I'll try to do a VCA later. Would be nice if you could tell us who you think her last partner was? Game logic says its ironace, my gut says it's you XD. Your gut: well please do go into what makes you feel that way? |
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Mishukax said: Oh wow you already gave them. Would probably be wiser to imagine Wisp could be lying but my vote is gonna roam around Kiana and dono anyway. Most likely dono. Gonna try to ignore the claim when rereading D1 though. Mishukax said: Eh I'm probably not voting dono today if we're doing this I don't like things like collectively locking a vote when the day is still short Mishukax said: hard to see this coming from scum mishu.Well count on me to defend Dono at least a little is what I should say why the quick change from ace to kiana? |
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yurkin said: cN you elaborate on what you meant here for me?Kiiruma is only susp when it comes to Kiana. I mean his interactions are mostly with Kiana from the what I recall. |
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| that's not a reason. Why did you feel he wasnt scum? |
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logic340 said: Sorry, I mixed it up. ironace claimed he redirected aa-dono. Meaning Mishu couldn't have made the kill, since he was jailed, and if aa-dono made the kill, it randomized onto Wisp, when Wisp was an ideal target.Mishikax being redirected doesn't clear him for me because of this vvvv AbuHumaid said: Though it should be unlikely that conf!scum.dono woild be making fhe kill.I jailed Mishu, he can't be scum now, unless Awa did the kill. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: You should also explain why everyone else is town. This is very important.logic340 said: i figured she wouldn't be helpful. At leastr we can ISO the three badies to try and narrow it down through interactions. I'll try to do a VCA later. Would be nice if you could tell us who you think her last partner was? Game logic says its ironace, my gut says it's you XD. |
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logic340 said: that's not a reason. Why did you feel he wasnt scum? i go with gut feelings often and the way he reacted to kiana/aa-dono made me feel he was town |
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RE said: i was thinking the same thing :(logic340 said: Sorry, I mixed it up. ironace claimed he redirected aa-dono. Meaning Mishu couldn't have made the kill, since he was jailed, and if aa-dono made the kill, it randomized onto Wisp, when Wisp was an ideal target.Mishikax being redirected doesn't clear him for me because of this vvvv Though it should be unlikely that conf!scum.dono woild be making fhe kill. |
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RE said: You should also explain why everyone else is town. This is very important. Most of the game is cleared though, the POE is only like 3 people at most. |
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🐰 Day 1 Final Vote Count 🐰 Kiana_Kaslana (7) - Mishukax, aa-dono, RE, _Wisp, yurkin, Shinichi-kun, Logic340 aa-dono (4) - Kiana_Kaslana, ironace, Phraze, AbuHumaid Not Voting (1) - Kiiruma This vote count is whats bothering me |
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ironace said: Of course, I don't want to lose to Mishu based on this alone. Like looking at statistics alone, I think Kiiruma has a higher chance of being town than Mishu.RE said: i was thinking the same thing :(Sorry, I mixed it up. ironace claimed he redirected aa-dono. Meaning Mishu couldn't have made the kill, since he was jailed, and if aa-dono made the kill, it randomized onto Wisp, when Wisp was an ideal target. Want to see @Mishukax 's take on Kiiruma randing second to last, now that Phraze has claimed reloader (the actual last egg on Kiiruma's list). |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I wouldn't call Mishu lock town.Phraze and Mishu are literally lock town there is no way to dispute that. Yurkin is town based on how she is playing. Had the kill landed on any of Phraze/Abu/Wisp, we wouldn't think it was randomized. However, that's 3 out of 11 living players at the time. The chances of Kiiruma being town are higher than that. |
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RE said: Unless you have other reasons for townreading him? I had my own, but I could just be overdoing the explanations. I'm a tiny bit skeptical of him going after Kiiruma after being one of the people in support of Kiiruma trying to clear himself via list order.Shinichi-Kun said: I wouldn't call Mishu lock town.Phraze and Mishu are literally lock town there is no way to dispute that. Yurkin is town based on how she is playing. Had the kill landed on any of Phraze/Abu/Wisp, we wouldn't think it was randomized. However, that's 3 out of 11 living players at the time. The chances of Kiiruma being town are higher than that. |
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RE said: Well, his posts on page 45 are pretty good.RE said: Unless you have other reasons for townreading him? I had my own, but I could just be overdoing the explanations. I'm a tiny bit skeptical of him going after Kiiruma after being one of the people in support of Kiiruma trying to clear himself via list order.I wouldn't call Mishu lock town. Had the kill landed on any of Phraze/Abu/Wisp, we wouldn't think it was randomized. However, that's 3 out of 11 living players at the time. The chances of Kiiruma being town are higher than that. Kiiruma still also needs to give reads. Broken record, etc. |
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RE said: RE said: Unless you have other reasons for townreading him? I had my own, but I could just be overdoing the explanations. I'm a tiny bit skeptical of him going after Kiiruma after being one of the people in support of Kiiruma trying to clear himself via list order.I wouldn't call Mishu lock town. Had the kill landed on any of Phraze/Abu/Wisp, we wouldn't think it was randomized. However, that's 3 out of 11 living players at the time. The chances of Kiiruma being town are higher than that. Kiiruma what ya wanna do then? Line up all the lists? People can just lie, i think kiiruma is town based on trying to clear himself. |
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RE said: logic340 said: What are your thoughts on Kiiruma's list claim, and Mishu being redirected but Wisp still dying?Logic Phraze Abu Shinichi yurkin RE Mishukax Ironace Kiiruma Mishu did not got redirected, awa did |
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yurkin said: Sorry, I keep mixing the two up. But the result is the same.RE said: What are your thoughts on Kiiruma's list claim, and Mishu being redirected but Wisp still dying? Mishu did not got redirected, awa did |
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yurkin said: Protected Abu. Was going to protect Wisp, but changed my action because I thought Abu would be targeted since scum outted him.Re what you did last night again? I forgot |
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| Probably Shinichi. My tinfoil is logic, but semi-clearing Shinichi could be useful. Only problem with that is if scum intentional shoot a random-ish target, but if it lands on someone in the PoE, that's still good. |
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| Not sure how telling a person they will be redirected will help, logically if i was mafia which i am not I just wouldnt make a night kill. What roles havent been claimed yet? |
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AbuHumaid said: I kind of regret using my jail on Mishu, I should have waited, using it this night would have been much better. you cleared mishu tho? |
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| You could also target Mishu, but not sure if it's worth trying the same method against him (n2 awa was redirected and Mishu jailed). |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Which is good for us. Gives us one more mislynch.Not sure how telling a person they will be redirected will help, logically if i was mafia which i am not I just wouldnt make a night kill. What roles havent been claimed yet? |
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AbuHumaid said: I wanted to block the kill, and yes I cleared him, but my paranoid mind keeps telling me Awa made the kill. I feel like thats super risky. The kill makes sense, so i find it a little weird if kyle was only hit due to a redirect. |
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AbuHumaid said: Shinichi-Kun said: Could this be a slip? For being so sure that Mishu is town.Phraze and Mishu are literally lock town there is no way to dispute that. Yurkin is town based on how she is playing. Unless you can prove to me awa made that kill then yes hes cleared. |
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AbuHumaid said: Smh it's too early for this paranoia, we should solve Shin and Ace soon. I get the paranoia, but its not warranted. No ones going to risk making a shot when they are already being suspected. |
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RE said: there were 11 people alive last night. So there was a 9% chance that that if dono was making the kill it would hit wisp. So while i do find it unlikely dono was the shooter there's a small chance that this was a random unfortunate outome. logic340 said: Sorry, I mixed it up. ironace claimed he redirected aa-dono. Meaning Mishu couldn't have made the kill, since he was jailed, and if aa-dono made the kill, it randomized onto Wisp, when Wisp was an ideal target.Mishikax being redirected doesn't clear him for me because of this vvvv Though it should be unlikely that conf!scum.dono woild be making fhe kill. Why do you feel wisp was an ideal target? I do not share in your sentiment as he was vanilla and as clear as Phraze who hadn't claimed or stated to have used an ability. I would even say Abu made a better target as his role was out in the open with more shots. Which leads me to a question if wisp wasn't killed by redorect was abu not killed because mafia wasnt on the list of people to possibly jail last night? Here is his list. That would leave me/yurkin/RE? |
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logic340 said: I've explained that the outcome - the chances are kind of higher. Since if Abu or Phraze were targeted for the kill, I don't think we would have thought the kill was random either. Wisp was ideal in that he was a strong player who was never getting lynched. I probably would have targeted Abu (hence why I used my ability to commute him), but Wisp wasn't a bad choice either. Phraze also avoided reloading Abu because she thought he would be night killed. But in other words, this is why Kiiruma is more clear than Mishukax, via probability.RE said: there were 11 people alive last night. So there was a 9% chance that that if dono was making the kill it would hit wisp. So while i do find it unlikely dono was the shooter there's a small chance that this was a random unfortunate outome.Sorry, I mixed it up. ironace claimed he redirected aa-dono. Meaning Mishu couldn't have made the kill, since he was jailed, and if aa-dono made the kill, it randomized onto Wisp, when Wisp was an ideal target. Why do you feel wisp was an ideal target? I do not share in your sentiment as he was vanilla and as clear as Phraze who hadn't claimed or stated to have used an ability. I would even say Abu made a better target as his role was out in the open with more shots. Which leads me to a question if wisp wasn't killed by redorect was abu not killed because mafia wasnt on the list of people to possibly jail last night? Here is his list. That would leave me/yurkin/RE? I don't entirely agree with the logic, but I'm interested in how far you'll take that theory. |
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RE said: i thnk abu and i accused her more? I found one post where yurkin says kiana is LB.RE said: And your thoughts on yurkin's posts during day 2, where she frequently accused Kiana of being the lost bunny?What are your thoughts on Kiiruma's list claim, and Mishu being redirected but Wisp still dying? yurkin said: Kiana knew LB can't be detected, she's probably it. yurkin said: Kiana knew LB can't be detected, she's probably it. Followed by this a little while later yurkin said: I had few questions in mind [at Abu too] but I have considered if this is all show. Logically there is no reason to lie but indeed someone is lying. What Kiana wins if she lies what dono wins if she lies Answer of both is time buuut so little time that is hardly worth it. So if one is LB and the other is group scum I see profit in doing spectacle as this one - group scum bites the rope in flashy manner LB gets insta confirmed. It's really the only route that makes sense. I don't see this coming from scum yurkin. IMO she figured out what was going on. As scum why tell town what was actually happening. yurkin said: Kiana_Kaslana said: no dude you dont get it. scroll the the start of day 2 and look at the vote count 6 people instant voted dono without me lifting a finger. scum-me have 0 incentive to lie in that position. 0. nada. negative because it might get me lynched like now. negative incentive. why would i do negative incentive for ?? Logical answer is you wanted yourself lynched Again she's pointing out what is acually happening i don't see this coming from scum!yurkin. |
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RE said: I'm not a huge fan of the logic either but i thought it worth mentioning. In that situation i would be left looking at you....logic340 said: I've explained that the outcome - the chances are kind of higher. Since if Abu or Phraze were targeted for the kill, I don't think we would have thought the kill was random either. Wisp was ideal in that he was a strong player who was never getting lynched. I probably would have targeted Abu (hence why I used my ability to commute him), but Wisp wasn't a bad choice either. Phraze also avoided reloading Abu because she thought he would be night killed. But in other words, this is why Kiiruma is more clear than Mishukax, via probability.there were 11 people alive last night. So there was a 9% chance that that if dono was making the kill it would hit wisp. So while i do find it unlikely dono was the shooter there's a small chance that this was a random unfortunate outome. Why do you feel wisp was an ideal target? I do not share in your sentiment as he was vanilla and as clear as Phraze who hadn't claimed or stated to have used an ability. I would even say Abu made a better target as his role was out in the open with more shots. Which leads me to a question if wisp wasn't killed by redorect was abu not killed because mafia wasnt on the list of people to possibly jail last night? Here is his list. That would leave me/yurkin/RE? I don't entirely agree with the logic, but I'm interested in how far you'll take that theory. |
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