Normal Game V1: Computer Mafia | Game Over - Town Win

Offline

Nov 2008

8506

Tainted (4) - Kiana_Kaslana, RE, LucianRoy, Kit

removing RE because she already flipped town upon death. So are the people votes here would vote Tainted again today?

@Kiana_Kaslana @LucianRoy @Kit

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .anime . manga . updates . ♫♪ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Apr 7, 2019 2:19 PM

#1053

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

I have no effing idea how to find the 3rd

Apr 7, 2019 2:19 PM

#1054

Offline

Nov 2008

8506

wait nvm. You guys already voted. epic fail on my part.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .anime . manga . updates . ♫♪ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Apr 7, 2019 2:21 PM

#1055

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

only one I can think of is Wolf, since the votes been strange

Apr 7, 2019 2:21 PM

#1056

Offline

Aug 2013

11321

Phraze said:

DenjaX said:

you are more like a dead rolecop. kek Anyway, I am actually interested about this "partner" Marluxion could have.

I have a good feeling it is within Tainted's train.

That would mean there is still an SK on the loose. I could start reaching on that being Roy because he was roleblocked and there was only 1 night kill. xDD

Not trying to derail here. I think I should abstain from voting or contributing since people are probably clouded with their judgements about me. xDD

I guess so. not sure where to place Luci tbh, he did push Marlu iirc.

and u should vote anyways

Incorrect, I defended the hell out of Marlu with a really detailed analysis of why I thought his push on lan was much more indicative of town than scum.
Here
I was wrong, and he was TP, but he didn't flip mafia.

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Apr 7, 2019 2:21 PM

#1057

Offline

Nov 2008

8506

I am gonna try to play Tainted's buddy since I don't want this phase to end with one-sided lynch with so many questionable parties on the loose.

@Tainted who do you want to be lynched today?

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .anime . manga . updates . ♫♪ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Apr 7, 2019 2:23 PM

#1058

Offline

Nov 2008

8506

LucianRoy said:

Incorrect, I defended the hell out of Marlu with a really detailed analysis of why I thought his push on lan was much more indicative of town than scum.
Here
I was wrong, and he was TP, but he didn't flip mafia.

More reason for me to believe you are likely Marluxion's partner xDD Tainted should roleblock Lucian again if he somehow survives this phase.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .anime . manga . updates . ♫♪ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Apr 7, 2019 2:27 PM

#1059

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

LucianRoy said:

Phraze said:

I guess so. not sure where to place Luci tbh, he did push Marlu iirc.

and u should vote anyways

Incorrect, I defended the hell out of Marlu with a really detailed analysis of why I thought his push on lan was much more indicative of town than scum.
Here
I was wrong, and he was TP, but he didn't flip mafia.

oh right. u could be town or neutral then. if Tainted is scum, I don't see the point in both of u hardcore suspecting each other.

Apr 7, 2019 2:28 PM

#1060

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

DenjaX said:
I am gonna try to play Tainted's buddy since I don't want this phase to end with one-sided lynch with so many questionable parties on the loose.

@Tainted who do you want to be lynched today?

what are the questionable things? if its the inactives that can't be helped

Apr 7, 2019 2:30 PM

#1061

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

Tainted and Marlu were both voting Lan

Apr 7, 2019 2:35 PM

#1062

Offline

Aug 2013

11321

DenjaX said:

LucianRoy said:

Incorrect, I defended the hell out of Marlu with a really detailed analysis of why I thought his push on lan was much more indicative of town than scum.
Here
I was wrong, and he was TP, but he didn't flip mafia.

More reason for me to believe you are likely Marluxion's partner xDD Tainted should roleblock Lucian again if he somehow survives this phase.

This is such a strawman though. What interactions between me and Marl establish that?
Also you definitely look like scum trying to derail by throwing around wild accusations.
Like, it might've made sense if you said I'm scum, but jumping straight to "Lucian is obv third party SK" is some crack logic.

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Apr 7, 2019 2:39 PM

#1063

Offline

Aug 2013

11321

Phraze said:

LucianRoy said:

Incorrect, I defended the hell out of Marlu with a really detailed analysis of why I thought his push on lan was much more indicative of town than scum.
Here
I was wrong, and he was TP, but he didn't flip mafia.

oh right. u could be town or neutral then. if Tainted is scum, I don't see the point in both of u hardcore suspecting each other.

Thaaattt's another pre-associative. I'd be happy to revisit this after his flip tho.

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Apr 7, 2019 2:48 PM

#1064

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

LucianRoy said:

Phraze said:

oh right. u could be town or neutral then. if Tainted is scum, I don't see the point in both of u hardcore suspecting each other.

Thaaattt's another pre-associative. I'd be happy to revisit this after his flip tho.

preassociation without prejudice is fine.

Apr 7, 2019 2:50 PM

#1065

Kiiruma

Offline

Apr 2018

470

Yo, I'm so sorry for not getting here earlier.
The first message of the day that was by a player was sent at such an awkward time.
Also, I sorta overslept due to stresses at work.
Will catch up asap and answer anything I've been told to answer.
Thanks for your patience.

My personality:

Apr 7, 2019 2:53 PM

#1066

Offline

Nov 2008

8506

LucianRoy said:

DenjaX said:

More reason for me to believe you are likely Marluxion's partner xDD Tainted should roleblock Lucian again if he somehow survives this phase.

This is such a strawman though. What interactions between me and Marl establish that?
Also you definitely look like scum trying to derail by throwing around wild accusations.
Like, it might've made sense if you said I'm scum, but jumping straight to "Lucian is obv third party SK" is some crack logic.

Aren't you mad Tainted roleblocked you? I already said that I am not going to try anything funny here so don't get so worked up with my crack logic. You are smart enough to see things within perspective to humour such narrative that isn't really far fetched. It's not like I said you are TPR because I saw you breathe. xDD

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .anime . manga . updates . ♫♪ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Apr 7, 2019 2:56 PM

#1067

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

Kiiruma said:
Yo, I'm so sorry for not getting here earlier.
The first message of the day that was by a player was sent at such an awkward time.
Also, I sorta overslept due to stresses at work.
Will catch up asap and answer anything I've been told to answer.
Thanks for your patience.

good luck catching up

Apr 7, 2019 3:09 PM

#1068

LanMisa

Offline

Nov 2018

604

Phraze said:
Tainted and Marlu were both voting Lan

What do you get from this fact?

Apr 7, 2019 3:12 PM

#1069

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

LanMisa said:

Phraze said:
Tainted and Marlu were both voting Lan

What do you get from this fact?

neutral and (possible) scum. means u could be town. unless distancing was involved.

Apr 7, 2019 3:26 PM

#1070

Offline

Mar 2019

69

Phraze said:

Dude_Mike said:
You know what I am going to stop the fake vet claim. Doctor don’t say who you are but tonight heal me. I am hard claiming BG I can BG 2 people at night. And my targets last night I already told you who they where. I am gong to trust doc will heal me in case mafia hits me tonight. That is how I knew thoses two was not attcked last night. I do not know why I can guard two targets. I also have another part of my abilty I will not share at this time.

sorry if u be the only doc around

If so I will target only myself and yes I will die but be able to kill my attcker. Ie why I was baiting if you are a doc. You can vist me as I will only kill anyone doing anything harmful to me. This is some twisted roll. It had me confused at first. I can target two people to protect them or only target myself and kill who ever attckes me but get this I can talk for the day but die the next night. This role is really odd I have never played a roll like this. If you are a town vig yes I will end up killing you so don’t attack me. Any investigative roles is save to vist me tonight I can not harm you. Doc safe to vist me. I only kill harmful roles like killers and cult and if doused.

Do Not open this spoiler under any condition!!!!!!!

Apr 7, 2019 3:31 PM

#1071

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

Dude_Mike said:

Phraze said:

sorry if u be the only doc around

If so I will target only myself and yes I will die but be able to kill my attcker. Ie why I was baiting if you are a doc. You can vist me as I will only kill anyone doing anything harmful to me. This is some twisted roll. It had me confused at first. I can target two people to protect them or only target myself and kill who ever attckes me but get this I can talk for the day but die the next night. This role is really odd I have never played a roll like this. If you are a town vig yes I will end up killing you so don’t attack me. Any investigative roles is save to vist me tonight I can not harm you. Doc safe to vist me. I only kill harmful roles like killers and cult and if doused.

mafia society specialty. I would suggest u protect me then, since I doubt anyone wants to attack u now.

Apr 7, 2019 3:33 PM

#1072

Offline

Mar 2019

69

Phraze said:

Dude_Mike said:

If so I will target only myself and yes I will die but be able to kill my attcker. Ie why I was baiting if you are a doc. You can vist me as I will only kill anyone doing anything harmful to me. This is some twisted roll. It had me confused at first. I can target two people to protect them or only target myself and kill who ever attckes me but get this I can talk for the day but die the next night. This role is really odd I have never played a roll like this. If you are a town vig yes I will end up killing you so don’t attack me. Any investigative roles is save to vist me tonight I can not harm you. Doc safe to vist me. I only kill harmful roles like killers and cult and if doused.

mafia society specialty. I would suggest u protect me then, since I doubt anyone wants to attack u now.

If I do protect you I can not protect myself

Do Not open this spoiler under any condition!!!!!!!

Apr 7, 2019 3:35 PM

#1073

Kiana_Kaslana

Offline

Jan 2019

1528

starpendle said:
Feeling somewhat ignored lol.

@Kiana_Kaslana Hi, can you reply to some of my posts please?

I hear you're v/la, but is this how you usually play?

Tainted said:
Also I blocked roy
I'll spare you guys the details but my roleblock isn't a full block

Tainted said:

LucianRoy said:
That EoD was so bogus wtf.

Vote: Tainted

Their slew of posts at EoD we're pretty gosh darn scummy too. Look at this:

#818- Tainted sets ups a baseless, false dichotomy here between me and FTF in an attempt to shade me, and let me explain why. There is so much to unpack here. Why phrase it this way? Why not just directly say: 'because of his interactions with FTF, I find Lucian scummy'. instead of working around it backwards: "Roy probably isn't w/w with FTF // I doubt ftf is even wolf at all" The first part is an unsupported claim, (no explaination), which sets up a false dichotomy with me against FTF once they establish FTF is town is the second clause, (again, no explanation). For this to be good, wouldn't you have to explain why it isn't TvT? There's no consideration of that in this post at all. Because of this, I consider this subtle shading of me. The way it's phrased makes it beat around the bush, and doesn't sound like anything town would post imo.

#819- This post is weird too. It doesn't say "I'm reading these people scum" it lines up the conclusion to their previous post on me, like it's a disclaimer for something already established, yet it isn't established, and wasn't established in their last post. It was hinted at. Another reason why I think that post was an attempt to shade me. I'm honestly doubtful if they can explain why they changed their mind here, but I guess it's worth a shot to ask?

#820 Oh, come on, there is no way you can defend Mike here. Do you seriously have a TR on his slot? His post is obviously anti-town, and can be lumped in with the other strange and unnecessary things he's done this game. I felt like calling him out for it this time.

So, in essence, all this seems like an attempt to line-up my lynch for toDay as an out, and this is ALSO inherently scummy to me. This part isn't as solid as the other things I've said, and it's slightly anecdotal, but I feel like the self-preservation vote Tainted made on Marl, is NOT NAI as self-pres often is. See, were I in Tainted shoes, and they go to the trouble of shading me as scum at EoD while voting Marl why not just push me at EoD? Why not take it a single step further and just CFD on me? That's what I would've done as town, and I would not have settled on a self-pres train I wasn't fully committed to. On top of that, Tainted's vote on Marl is a naked vote, and they do nothing to establish why he's scum/give thoughts from that point onward. It makes even more sense once you realize Marl literally only had 1 vote on him at that stage of the game.

One last point I dug up that is unrelated to the former, but still notable imo:
#675- Why would they beg Kiana for a read here? Reeks of desperation to me, like, 'please read me town and defend me!' rather than actually caring about what Kiana's read on themselves actually is. It's a weaker tell, but I found it off-putting.

Also, phraze is right when he says their claim is sus, but for me it's mostly b/c they didn't paraphrase.

This is an easy scum lynch in my book, and though I didn't go about the push with meta like RE did, I don't need it to come to a similar conclusion as her... twice.

___

Marl was probably executioner? And Lan is the lynched? That's actually nutty how RE guessed that. However, I don't think that has any bearing on Lan's alignment since in my exp. the target is randomized. I also forget if the win condition can be met whether or not exec is dead.

Also, @Lanmisa, have we ever played together before?

Okay this post is reachy and I thought for a sec of just saying "no u" to dismantle the whole case but no

So first one you either don't know what w/w means or you're too defensive that it somehow went to me shading you

2nd one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ probably the reachiest post
Shattiel - "Hey dont trust me on my read on Roy/star"
Roy - "He's shading me"
I made that post as legacy so no one would sheep that read of mine after I flip so you do you

3rd one I'm not defending mike here I'm calling your post wolf
Cos you made a big case out of a simple question like you did with mine and overreacted

For #675 I played with Kiana and I assume Kiana knows how I play and I also know how she plays and this isn't it I know she's v/la but I wanted her to at least make a decent read or explanation
Anyway you could call that post as me not w/w with Kiana if you know what it means

Idk about the "paraphrase" part?

You didn't actually answer his question on the change of mind regarding Roy's second point. You say lazily thrown, but what made you change your mind to the point of targeting Roy with your ability supposedly that night? Was it simply because he called out Mike's post over the doctor stuff?

Dude_Mike said:
So, now thoses that are mafia will have to ask themselfs Why would I vist thoses 2. Also What roles is he that he can vist 2 people? OR is he bluffing baiting maifa to attck him to save the real PR roles? HMMMM
Now lets watch and see the mafia scum paint me for todays lynch becuse they dont want to waist there time on a night kill on me.

Town keep in mind If I was Mafia why bring heat on myself when I can just stay in the shadows and not risk a lynch. I hope town you see I am town with this play. And my wifom is real but it is on the mafia team. only question is what am I am i a VT? Am I baiting an attack? or AM I just a green newb that has no clue what he is doing? Well Mafia you will have to see if you feel lucky tonight and make me flip.

So did i really vist Kit and Yurkin or am I bluffing? I am calling you out mafia. Now lets see who bites.

Tbh my issue with your baiting posts is that by explaining your intents in full detail and not aiming it at a particular person... the baiting tends to be pointless then. You either get ignored or you need to do something more contributing.

I ignore everything you post cos they are walls

Apr 7, 2019 3:56 PM

#1074

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

Dude_Mike said:

Phraze said:

mafia society specialty. I would suggest u protect me then, since I doubt anyone wants to attack u now.

If I do protect you I can not protect myself

up to u. I don't see a downside to either of us dying. might be a problem if we both go out tho. considering 2 factions can kill

Apr 7, 2019 3:58 PM

#1075

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

the inactivity here is deafening

Apr 7, 2019 4:59 PM

#1076

Offline

Aug 2013

11321

Phraze said:
the inactivity here is deafening

I've said practically everything I've wanted to atm, but I can always make for conversation

@Kiana_Kaslana, regarding your vote on Tainted, is it because you're in accordance with my reasoning? Someone else's maybe? Sheeping, or is it something from D1?

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Apr 7, 2019 5:49 PM

#1077

Kiiruma

Offline

Apr 2018

470

_Wisp said:
Can roles be changed in ways other then vanilla-izing?

Yes.

So, there's no conversion but there's more than a role which can vanilla-ize? Does anyone know what this could be? Backup perhaps because it technically becomes the role that they backup??

Page 19: Mike as usual is just underwhelming. I don't know if this is on purpose or if they're just unintentionally scummy. Tainted had some good posts, I feel like this tainted wagon might be misinformed. Only thing I'm really surprised about is they stuck up for me a bit but I don't think it's a pocket attempt because why try to pocket an inactive?
Page 20: I don't believe Denja's claim because it's a tad OP if it's convulsive ability stealer. Also, even if it's true I wouldn't see it as town, it'd have to be neutral with a power level like that. With a goal of a NK or a Witchy role. However, I'm not sure if I believe Phraze's claim more.. A passive coroner could make sense since only alignment flips, I guess?
Page 21: So.. Then Denja suddenly retracts claim and changes it because Phraze's screws them over? I don't know how much we can trust it but I'm taking it with salt. I think Denja's honestly more scummy than Tainted. I could be wrong but I feel like it's almost *too* convenient that people are pushing them.

My personality:

Apr 7, 2019 6:08 PM

#1078

yurkin

Offline

Jul 2009

8537

Kiiruma said:
Yo, I'm so sorry for not getting here earlier.
The first message of the day that was by a player was sent at such an awkward time.
Also, I sorta overslept due to stresses at work.
Will catch up asap and answer anything I've been told to answer.
Thanks for your patience.

Ikr, such coincidence
Was thinking were I saw your overview post the whole night phase. Figured you were the one who asked.

Apr 7, 2019 6:19 PM

#1079

yurkin

Offline

Jul 2009

8537

Phraze said:
so like.. 2 scum 2 neutral?

Last 16p role madness I recall had 2 tpr 3 maf ratio

Apr 7, 2019 6:33 PM

#1080

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

yurkin said:

Phraze said:
so like.. 2 scum 2 neutral?

Last 16p role madness I recall had 2 tpr 3 maf ratio

oh.. that's a lot. what are the odds of us hitting wrong lol

Apr 7, 2019 6:38 PM

#1081

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

so...... anything new?

Apr 7, 2019 6:39 PM

#1082

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

maybe I'll just throw in or add that I saw RE's role too

Apr 7, 2019 6:54 PM

#1083

Offline

Aug 2013

11321

@Phraze, what's the flavor name for your role? If you already mentioned it, sorry I missed it.

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Apr 7, 2019 7:01 PM

#1084

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

LucianRoy said:
@Phraze, what's the flavor name for your role? If you already mentioned it, sorry I missed it.

link

Apr 7, 2019 7:14 PM

#1085

Kiiruma

Offline

Apr 2018

470

yurkin said:

Ikr, such coincidence
Was thinking were I saw your overview post the whole night phase. Figured you were the one who asked.

It's not a coincidence nor an excuse. It's the truth, take it as you want but it won't change :|

My personality:

Apr 7, 2019 7:18 PM

#1086

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

I probably could elaborate on these but can't think of any atm. not that confident on most, but groups have their unique "I'm confused" impressions. most confident in the 1st tier, tho that's pretty weak.

reads list:
Lan
Yurkin

Mike
Karote

Lucian
FTF
Kiana - #896 and #897

Kiiruma
Star

Kit
Wolf

Denja
Tainted

Apr 7, 2019 7:18 PM

#1087

yurkin

Offline

Jul 2009

8537

Kiiruma said:

yurkin said:

Ikr, such coincidence
Was thinking were I saw your overview post the whole night phase. Figured you were the one who asked.

It's not a coincidence nor an excuse. It's the truth, take it as you want but it won't change :|

? XD what do you mean

Apr 7, 2019 7:23 PM

#1088

Offline

Oct 2018

634

and we're back

Apr 7, 2019 7:30 PM

#1089

Offline

Oct 2018

634

Apr 7, 2019 7:31 PM

#1090

Offline

Oct 2018

634

i just gave my computer an aneurysm opening that bloody hell

Apr 7, 2019 7:42 PM

#1091

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

ForgotToFlush said:
i just gave my computer an aneurysm opening that bloody hell

excuse u

Apr 7, 2019 7:43 PM

#1092

Offline

Oct 2018

634

DenjaX said:

LucianRoy said:

You're really grasping at nothing here.
It's pretty obv

I am town lol but before I get vig killed whether it is Dayvig or Nightvig, I will say my results now:

Karote is TOWN

@Kit @Geyde @Kiiruma @Tainted @Phraze @ForgotToFlush @Wary_Wolf @yurkin @Dude_mike @LucianRoy @LanMisa @Karote @Kiana_Kaslana

can we lynch this
for the sole reason of no more damn mass pings

Apr 7, 2019 7:43 PM

#1093

Offline

Oct 2018

634

Phraze said:

ForgotToFlush said:
i just gave my computer an aneurysm opening that bloody hell

excuse u

good morning
how many scum have you lynched phraze

Apr 7, 2019 7:47 PM

#1094

Offline

Oct 2018

634

ForgotToFlush said:

Phraze said:

excuse u

good morning
how many scum have you lynched phraze

yes i am going to be smug about it thank you for asking
with that being said
idt scum coroner outs themselves
so it's either phraze's claim is completely falsified or she's town
leaning the latter

Apr 7, 2019 7:55 PM

#1095

Offline

Mar 2019

69

Phraze said:

LucianRoy said:
@Phraze, what's the flavor name for your role? If you already mentioned it, sorry I missed it.

link

Wait you got a flavor name?? I got Town Guest I am a Guest. I was not even given a flavor name.

Do Not open this spoiler under any condition!!!!!!!

Apr 7, 2019 7:55 PM

#1096

Offline

Oct 2018

634

other updates include
and are certainly limited to

-me not knowing what to make of tainted anymore
-kiana slotting into the poe
-denjax becoming a kill on sight slot with three(?) different fakeclaims
anything to live i guess?

Apr 7, 2019 7:58 PM

#1097

Offline

Oct 2018

634

anyway
im 2 for 2 on reads so far so im just going to use my vast statistical knowledge to assume i was right about everything else too
Vote:Starpendle

Apr 7, 2019 8:08 PM

#1098

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

Dude_Mike said:

Phraze said:

link

Wait you got a flavor name?? I got Town Guest I am a Guest. I was not even given a flavor name.

then I'd assume guest was ur flavor. this is a computer setup.

Apr 7, 2019 8:10 PM

#1099

Offline

Oct 2011

20805

ForgotToFlush said:

good morning
how many scum have you lynched phraze

yes i am going to be smug about it thank you for asking
with that being said
idt scum coroner outs themselves
so it's either phraze's claim is completely falsified or she's town
leaning the latter

didn't count but lately it's been a streak. kinda.. to the point I'm scared of proficiency being used on me. didn't count the streak but could be 4.

Apr 7, 2019 8:25 PM

#1100