osieorb18 said: Ruu said: Riku is a Neighborizer and he chose me on N1. The fact that now we are neighbours makes me doubt Shin's claim (and yoour ofc) because having Neighbours + masons on the same games seems odd. is like having 4 conf towns (if we take IC into account). Neighbours are not alignment specific, @Ruu. Unless @Riku said something in your neighbour chat that could never come from scum (highly improbable), no reason to town clear him just based on that. :) |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
riku said: osie, youre on the wrong path and i will judge you for it. I wave my hand in your general AtEing direction. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
osieorb18 said: okay, osies scum. got it I agree with you that neighbours and masons are unlikely, and even if they were there, the neighbours would most likely be scum. Also, there's way too many informative roles. Also, the way my mason power is worded makes a town neighbourizer seem particularly unlikely. vote:Osieorb18 |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
osieorb18 said: Ruu said: Riku is a Neighborizer and he chose me on N1. The fact that now we are neighbours makes me doubt Shin's claim (and yoour ofc) because having Neighbours + masons on the same games seems odd. is like having 4 conf towns (if we take IC into account). Neighbours are not alignment specific, @Ruu. Unless @Riku said something in your neighbour chat that could never come from scum (highly improbable), no reason to town clear him just based on that. vote: osie look, a neighborizer is town, the person he chooses might not be town. But riku has a town role. |
Lol, OMGUS much? Well, I guess I caught scum within 24 hours of replacing in. And we can't even confirm otherwise with a cop because you claimed miller... Jeez. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
osieorb18 said: Lol, OMGUS much? Well, I guess I caught scum within 24 hours of replacing in. And we can't even confirm otherwise with a cop because you claimed miller... Jeez. no osie, you didnt. dont praise urself before flip, because thata scummy. |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
osieorb18 said: I agree with you that neighbours and masons are unlikely, and even if they were there, the neighbourizer would most likely be scum. Also, there's way too many informative roles. Also, the way my mason power is worded makes a town neighbourizer seem particularly unlikely. why would the neighborizer be scum? I think riku is telling the truth and your mason claim is bs. 3 confirmed towns is also a lot. |
Ruu said: look, a neighborizer is town, the person he chooses might not be town. But riku has a town role. We were literally just talking about how scum neighbourizer is a thing. Well, at least this suggests that you're more likely to be town. @Riku: Tell you what. Can you neighbourize every night, or is it just a 1-shot? If you can, are you willing to neighbourize likely town or conftown who isn't likely to die tonight to NK, either Abhu, Re, myself, or Shinichi to confirm your role and analyze further if they think your statements in Neighbour chat are town or scum? |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
| 1 shot, sadly |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
riku said: osieorb18 said: Lol, OMGUS much? Well, I guess I caught scum within 24 hours of replacing in. And we can't even confirm otherwise with a cop because you claimed miller... Jeez. no osie, you didnt. dont praise urself before flip, because thata scummy. You just OMGUS voted me. Who are you to talk about being scummy? |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
osieorb18 said: You just OMGUS voted me. Who are you to talk about being scummy? no, bases on the content of your post, you suggested your roles powers meant mine could not be town. The people who use this tactic are generally mafia. Then you followed up with that beaut of a statement. |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
| @lastwhisper31 do you agree with osie or with me? Since we are talking about claims I will do the same. I'm a 2-shot doctor (I will protect myself tonight so mafia don't even bother). I protected Phraze on N1 (that's why I talked so much about Phraze being the obvious choice for N1 NK) but for some reason, it didn't work. I asked Abu but he said he will tell me why my ability failed at the end of the game. Why I used my ability on N1? because I didn't want to lose another townie after Tainted and I was pretty sure Phraze was going to be mafia's target (it makes me mad that it didn't work but well...). |
Ruu said: osieorb18 said: I agree with you that neighbours and masons are unlikely, and even if they were there, the neighbourizer would most likely be scum. Also, there's way too many informative roles. Also, the way my mason power is worded makes a town neighbourizer seem particularly unlikely. why would the neighborizer be scum? I think riku is telling the truth and your mason claim is bs. 3 confirmed towns is also a lot.  You can click on the image to go to the article yourself. The neighbourizer claim also makes for 2 soft "conftown", according to you. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
| What I don't understand @Ruu is why you thought riku's role is pro-town. You've been in a game where the neighborizer was scum (logic in Easter Egg). Neighborizer is also among the most powerful roles to be in the hands of scum if used properly. It's a pocketing tool and gets town to open up and be manipulated into giving certain reads. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
osieorb18 said: Ruu said: why would the neighborizer be scum? I think riku is telling the truth and your mason claim is bs. 3 confirmed towns is also a lot. You can click on the image to go to the article yourself. The neighbourizer claim also makes for 2 soft "conftown", according to you. 'are most often pro town' if i was a mafia member, i should have killed ruu after i made her role claim |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
basically xD also who was the other option for neighbor apart from me and our thoughts on possible mafia. |
| the other option was shinichi until i thought he was scum *shrugs* |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
riku said: osieorb18 said: You just OMGUS voted me. Who are you to talk about being scummy? no, bases on the content of your post, you suggested your roles powers meant mine could not be town. The people who use this tactic are generally mafia. Then you followed up with that beaut of a statement. Masons suggest that Neighbours are not town. Also, Logic got to choose a player in setup. If Shinichi wasn't town, nothing would have happened and it would have been a free cop shot. So yes, I doubt like crazy that your role is town. 1-shot helps your case a little, but only insomuch as it makes you less provable. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
Ruu said: Which were...?basically xD also who was the other option for neighbor apart from me and our thoughts on possible mafia. Also, if I'm getting this straight, you told Riku what your role was? What? |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| ive basically been posting statistics in the neighbour chat |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
| Where is Kyle when I need him?! ( @silentwhisper31 ). Your ability could be useful, would you like to use it on either osie, chad or riku? (I think riku is town but there is no other way to prove that without a flip). I would rather have two lynches (or in this case lynch/kill) and find the real scum than fight over a lynch to get a townie lynched and having to wait for another day phase (losing another townie in the meantime). |
osieorb18 said: When exactly did logic choose? Pre-game or during day 1?riku said: no, bases on the content of your post, you suggested your roles powers meant mine could not be town. The people who use this tactic are generally mafia. Then you followed up with that beaut of a statement. Masons suggest that Neighbours are not town. Also, Logic got to choose a player in setup. If Shinichi wasn't town, nothing would have happened and it would have been a free cop shot. So yes, I doubt like crazy that your role is town. 1-shot helps your case a little, but only insomuch as it makes you less provable. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE1031 said: osieorb18 said: When exactly did logic choose? Pre-game or during day 1?Masons suggest that Neighbours are not town. Also, Logic got to choose a player in setup. If Shinichi wasn't town, nothing would have happened and it would have been a free cop shot. So yes, I doubt like crazy that your role is town. 1-shot helps your case a little, but only insomuch as it makes you less provable. Pre-game. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
RE1031 said: Ruu said: Which were...?basically xD also who was the other option for neighbor apart from me and our thoughts on possible mafia. Also, if I'm getting this straight, you told Riku what your role was? What? yes I did, I do believe he was town so I would rather discuss the real scum without wasting his time (so he didn't have to find out my alignment by talking about other stuff) |
| Then Shinichi should have had another role prior. This is confusing. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
masons don't usually work like that. They get the pm, they don't decide who is their mason buddy what? |
RE1031 said: Then Shinichi should have had another role prior. This is confusing. He did claim in chat. Roleblocker. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
| Now logic was a Masonizer? also if he had chosen scum then ... if a Masonizer targets someone who is not Town-aligned, the action will fail. Commonly, the Masonizer will also die in the process. this is bs |
Ruu said: masons don't usually work like that. They get the pm, they don't decide who is their mason buddy what? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It says Investigative Masonizer (1-shot) EDIT: (Paraphrasing somewhat.) |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
Ruu said: Now logic was a Masonizer? also if he had chosen scum then ... if a Masonizer targets someone who is not Town-aligned, the action will fail. Commonly, the Masonizer will also die in the process. this is bs Action would have failed, according to Abu. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
osieorb18 said: RE1031 said: Then Shinichi should have had another role prior. This is confusing. He did claim in chat. Roleblocker. so he rb me? that's why my shot didn't work. And if he is rb he can't be mason imo. He should have lost his ability when he turned into a mason. Seriously osie you two are scummy af lol |
Ruu said: And if he is rb he can't be mason imo. Why? Ruu said: He should have lost his ability when he turned into a mason. Seriously osie you two are scummy af lol What are you talking about? |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
Ruu said: arent you usually told if you are roleblockd?so he rb me? that's why my shot didn't work. And if he is rb he can't be mason imo. He should have lost his ability when he turned into a mason. Seriously osie you two are scummy af lol |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
Ruu said: That's a pretty big assumption not worth the risk making. Don't see how it's any different from riku claiming miller and neighborizer.so he rb me? that's why my shot didn't work. And if he is rb he can't be mason imo. He should have lost his ability when he turned into a mason. Seriously osie you two are scummy af lol |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Ruu said: Why did you claim? You didn't need to.@lastwhisper31 do you agree with osie or with me? Since we are talking about claims I will do the same. I'm a 2-shot doctor (I will protect myself tonight so mafia don't even bother). I protected Phraze on N1 (that's why I talked so much about Phraze being the obvious choice for N1 NK) but for some reason, it didn't work. I asked Abu but he said he will tell me why my ability failed at the end of the game. Why I used my ability on N1? because I didn't want to lose another townie after Tainted and I was pretty sure Phraze was going to be mafia's target (it makes me mad that it didn't work but well...). |
RE1031 said: Ruu said: That's a pretty big assumption not worth the risk making. Don't see how it's any different from riku claiming miller and neighborizer.so he rb me? that's why my shot didn't work. And if he is rb he can't be mason imo. He should have lost his ability when he turned into a mason. Seriously osie you two are scummy af lol ones a passive, ones an active. fairly commom thing there. |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
RE1031 said: Ruu said: That's a pretty big assumption not worth the risk making. Don't see how it's any different from riku claiming miller and neighborizer.so he rb me? that's why my shot didn't work. And if he is rb he can't be mason imo. He should have lost his ability when he turned into a mason. Seriously osie you two are scummy af lol ones a passive, ones an active. fairly commom thing there. |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
riku said: True. @Shinichi-kun can you confirm? Did you roleblock Ruu?RE1031 said: That's a pretty big assumption not worth the risk making. Don't see how it's any different from riku claiming miller and neighborizer. ones a passive, ones an active. fairly commom thing there. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Ruu said: Where is Kyle when I need him?! ( @silentwhisper31 ). Your ability could be useful, would you like to use it on either osie, chad or riku? (I think riku is town but there is no other way to prove that without a flip). I would rather have two lynches (or in this case lynch/kill) and find the real scum than fight over a lynch to get a townie lynched and having to wait for another day phase (losing another townie in the meantime). What about how Riku talked in neighbour chat makes you think he's town? If his reaction wasn't, well, slippery, and the likelihood of town neighbourizer in a game with masons being so low... I have seen a similar role to this one before, though it was a setup neighbour choice instead. Anyways, we've been throwing around a lot of information, and I'm not happy about it. You and I shouldn't have had to claim. @lastwhisper31 had been suggesting that out of the three of us, Riku looked the worst, so he'd probably go there. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
RE1031 said: Ruu said: That's a pretty big assumption not worth the risk making. Don't see how it's any different from riku claiming miller and neighborizer.so he rb me? that's why my shot didn't work. And if he is rb he can't be mason imo. He should have lost his ability when he turned into a mason. Seriously osie you two are scummy af lol Besides, town neighbourizer can be so weak a role to put miller on. Though it kinda fits from a "when he claims neighbourizer, town needs to figure out his alignment even more so" point of view. Really cruel if it's completely true. Pokeit said: Ruu said: Why did you claim? You didn't need to.@lastwhisper31 do you agree with osie or with me? Since we are talking about claims I will do the same. I'm a 2-shot doctor (I will protect myself tonight so mafia don't even bother). I protected Phraze on N1 (that's why I talked so much about Phraze being the obvious choice for N1 NK) but for some reason, it didn't work. I asked Abu but he said he will tell me why my ability failed at the end of the game. Why I used my ability on N1? because I didn't want to lose another townie after Tainted and I was pretty sure Phraze was going to be mafia's target (it makes me mad that it didn't work but well...). Actually... @Ruu: Did you tell Riku you were protecting Phraze? |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
RE1031 said: Also @riku I forgot, what's your read on Ruu? Did you encourage her to claim in your chat or did she claim? i townread her but askes her to claim so i could judge. |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
osieorb18 said: RE1031 said: That's a pretty big assumption not worth the risk making. Don't see how it's any different from riku claiming miller and neighborizer. Besides, town neighbourizer can be so weak a role to put miller on. Though it kinda fits from a "when he claims neighbourizer, town needs to figure out his alignment even more so" point of view. Really cruel if it's completely true. Pokeit said: Why did you claim? You didn't need to. Actually... @Ruu: DID YOU TELL Riku YOU WERE PROTECTING PHRAZE? she wasnt my neighbour back then. |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
| At this point we can find scum with PoE. I claimed because it will help find the real scum also if Shin is in fact a town rb then I have nothing to fear - I will protect myself tonight with my other shot and it will work because Shin won't block me now. @lastwhisper31 shoot osie and we will lynch Riku sounds good? Shin can't rb during the day so we are good. |
osieorb18 said: RE1031 said: That's a pretty big assumption not worth the risk making. Don't see how it's any different from riku claiming miller and neighborizer. Besides, town neighbourizer can be so weak a role to put miller on. Though it kinda fits from a "when he claims neighbourizer, town needs to figure out his alignment even more so" point of view. Really cruel if it's completely true. Pokeit said: Why did you claim? You didn't need to. Actually... @Ruu: Did you tell Riku you were protecting Phraze? on D2, when we became neighbours yes, I told him I had used my ability on Phraze. |
| you dont need to lynch me 》.《 waste of a lynch. |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
riku said: osieorb18 said: Besides, town neighbourizer can be so weak a role to put miller on. Though it kinda fits from a "when he claims neighbourizer, town needs to figure out his alignment even more so" point of view. Really cruel if it's completely true. Actually... @Ruu: DID YOU TELL Riku YOU WERE PROTECTING PHRAZE? she wasn't my neighbour back then. Okay... So: 1. You had a 1-shot neighbourizer and miller. (Seems unlikely, simpler if it's just scum 1-shot neighbourizer, but sure.) 2. You neighbourized Ruu for some reason. 3. Next to nothing you have said can be proven without a flip. 4. There's neighbours and masons in this game. (It's not that strange, but it is a little strange if you're town.) 5. You are prone to OMGUS, intentional obfuscation, and partial claims. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
| I'm super dubious of "Miller 1-shot Neighbourizer" in a game with an IC Doublevoter. That is not how proper balance works. |
| Had I the heavens’ embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. - WB Yeats |
osieorb18 said: Okay... So: 1. You had a 1-shot neighbourizer and miller. (Seems unlikely, simpler if it's just scum neighbourizer, but sure.) 2. You neighbourized Ruu for some reason. 3. Next to nothing you have said can be proven without a flip. 4. There's neighbours and masons in this game. (It's not that strange, but it is a little strange if you're town.) 5. You are prone to OMGUS, intentional obfuscation, and partial claims. 1. Yes, miller neighborizer 2. i townread her but wanted a claim 3. Nope, but i aint scum 4. oh i am town. I dont think you are though :) 5. just because i dont explain my reasons doesnt mean they are always omgus :) |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
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