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Floofs said: didn't last long as my townie brethren Amai and got me back on track. I'm with Togs you have a singular focus on me what do you think about the other players that were on me of Amai Train? RE, Togs, ironace, and Labslogic340 said: This is confirmed town's contribution to this game. If you feel this is going to catch scum and win the game better than what Amai and I are trying to do then I guess I will do my part. Unvote: Vote: Logic @Floofs lets go with this and when I flip town and you have wasted two days doing nothing will you finally help out the remaining townies? copycat |
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 Vote Count 2.3  ironace (3): yurkin, Togs, logic340 logic340 (1): Floofs AbuHumaid (1): reiynii Labs (1): AlbertinoDias Players not voting: ironace, RE1031, TheConquerer, AbuHumaid, Amai_yume, Labs Mod Notes: Please make sure that votes are formatted like in the first post with correct (not broken) BBCode so we don't miss them. (@AlbertinoDias) |
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reiynii said: Mafia Don't just hide on big trains a team spreads out from time to time. Your vote is one of those votes it looks like it could be a spread-out mafia vote. It's definitely worth looking into because you didn't touch on the top trains which will be discussed at the time. You avoided the main conversation and went with Abu and didn't even push that or ask anyone to join you. If you really suspect him then you should be trying to convince the rest of us why you are correct.logic340 said: I still don't understand why though? If I were mafia, wouldn't I conceal my vote with others? Plus, some people think my vote on Abu is over nonsense so then if I were mafia I would probably join into the groups and give other "nonsense" votes as well.BTW reiynii's solo vote on Abu while we are trying to save Amai and get people on a main train stands out to me more than anything right now. |
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AbuHumaid said: I am trying to help town. Me being in the game or not doesn't change that fact. If my death and town!flip can finally get people thinking properly then it's the least I can do to get things back on track. Also I am at the point where I want to prove a point. I always get scum read as town for the silliest things while in scum games like hydra I go by unnoticed. I don't even mind Floofs vote, what I mind is that there is no read on why I am scum here just a post saying I am off, I am part of a scum team with Amai, and asking others to lynch me today without giving reasons. I don't think they have tried to see things from my perspective at all and it's to the point where Amai, ironace, myself, and togs have all asked them for something and they have not complied. It's frustrating. logic340 said: Why did you suddenly turn suicidal? I thought you're not into self-sacrifice? Or perhaps you're not into the game anymore?Alright yurkin the truth is I am not a vigilante. I was trying to eat a night kill but it appears that the mafia wanted to frame me. It is clear they didn't believe me or wanted to hide since they targeted grrr as I said I would do. I'll ask you the same question I asked yurkin why would a townie try to eat a kill for another townie? You were in hydra so you should understand what I was doing by claiming vig when I really am not. Read list coming shortly. |
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| Quick: Read List: Town: logic340, Floofs Town Read: Amai_yume, AlbertinoDias, AbuHumaid Town Lean: Togs Neutral: TheConquerer, yurkin, RE1031, Labs, ironace Scum Lean: reiynii |
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| Alright lets get things going people @AlbertinoDias Labs is V/LA since it's the weekend he wont be helping floofs lynch me he will likely be replaced at some point. Could I interest you in joining us on the ironace train or moving to your next suspect please. Voting Labs is a waste of time right now as no new information will come from that slot anytime soon. |
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logic340 said: Alright lets get things going people @AlbertinoDias Labs is V/LA since it's the weekend he wont be helping floofs lynch me he will likely be replaced at some point. Could I interest you in joining us on the ironace train or moving to your next suspect please. Voting Labs is a waste of time right now as no new information will come from that slot anytime soon. you could, but i'll need to review everything again, and it will take a while, sorry, but can you link me your view on Ironace?? so i don't have to backtrack alot??, thanks :), he is my 2/3º suspect for now but yeah... help em a little please :) |
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logic340 said: Not possible if he isn't cooperating by either posting or replying to me. I just relooked at all of his posts and I confirmed that he is certainly not as active as he claims to be, and his posts are superficial!Mafia Don't just hide on big trains a team spreads out from time to time. Your vote is one of those votes it looks like it could be a spread-out mafia vote. It's definitely worth looking into because you didn't touch on the top trains which will be discussed at the time. You avoided the main conversation and went with Abu and didn't even push that or ask anyone to join you. If you really suspect him then you should be trying to convince the rest of us why you are correct. |
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logic340 said: yurkin said: All kills provide information. Who blindly supported grrr? Those are people we should look at as well as reiynii who was not a part of the major trains though they were around during there discussion? RE would be another one who blindly accepted town grrr's antics.No, and i was on nikamara side about that argument. Plus why talking about informative x lynch since there is big difference between that and a night kill. I did not "blindly" accept his tactics. I compared his town games to his scum games and found this one resembled his town games more. Yes it's meta, and it's awful. Rereading through the events that led to a tie on day 1 - I find Amai's reactions amusing genuine. I've already stated why her near lack of a self defense vote probably makes her town. That does not mean whatever she did before wasn't something worthy of my attention - especially that focus on grrr. You are nitpicking at stuff that is actually WIFOM. grrr is like the most unexpected night kill ever. With someone like you pushing for his lynch, it was bound to go through no matter how much protest it was met with. When was the last time you accurately read a night kill? Or even bothered to? This isn't even scum hunting, this is you guilty of what you accused me of - locking onto a target and then refusing to see them as town. If you actually want to play that game - you and I both know that grrr is (mis)lynch bait. Scum doesn't need to night kill him to see him gone. |
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Togs said: I will explain this at one point of the game but I don't suspect Ironace. I don't really have much thought about the Amai wagon. I didn't suspect her because he questions seemed pretty normal and seeing her being voted took me by surprise. I recall logic suspecting her at one point and then just kind of thinking otherwise, so I'll have to reread and understand why!What do you think about the Amai wagon from D1, and the people on it ? reiynii said: I guess that's true as well, but I am fully committed to lynching Abu and I need support over this case, although he is a very hard player to really catch doing anything super suspicious anyway, especially with his amount of activity.Actually that is one of the principles of vote count analysis is that scum can hide in abstaining votes or votes off in nowhere because it’s not making full use of their vote which would be a townie’s primary tool. Kind of off topic but if you ever want to know more about VCA, this is a really really good read that I take any opportunity to post: https://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/7kGVD8Jkh4dX, you can start reading from about post 28 for more about this line of reasoning. |
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Quoted everything by Labs for ease of access... Several things stand out to me. @Labs Current thoughts on Amai? Current thoughts on Dias? If I'm correct in understanding, you think yurkin is the kind to be read under pressure? Are you going to pursue that route? |
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Okay I take back what I said earlier about reiynii. Yes there is fluff, but the majority of these posts are actually really good. And I especially like the one commenting on **logic** lynching Floofs before Amai. There's only so much you can dismiss as emotion. @reiynii One quick thing though - is there anything in particular that makes you townread yurkin? |
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| vote: @AbuHumaid Current reads please? And I'd like your thoughts on logic's anti-town behavior (voting floofs, threatening to vote floofs, would rather vote floofs over amai). @logic340 Clearly explain why you have Abu in your townreads pile. You have a history of defending him (and surprisingly, accurately..) but I'm not seeing it here. Any posts in particular that make him worthy in your town read pile? |
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I like their posts. A lot. And whatever similar vibes I thought I got from them in their TPR games were misleading and have disappeared. I don't think their case on you is strong, so to speak, but it's not like I haven't noticed your inactivity late day 1 and I'm still unclear what was the purpose in your fake claims and questions early day 1. |
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AbuHumaid said: RE1031 said: don't tell me you took the claim seriouslyI like their posts. A lot. And whatever similar vibes I thought I got from them in their TPR games were misleading and have disappeared. I don't think their case on you is strong, so to speak, but it's not like I haven't noticed your inactivity late day 1 and I'm still unclear what was the purpose in your fake claims and questions early day 1. I'm not looking at your claims as if they are supposed to be serious or not - I'm looking at them as trying to understand why would town do that. And I'm voting for you because I am trying to understand your motives and I believe this is the best way to do that. Plus with those 1 vote trains we are not going to get far. |
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| One last thought I want to put out before I go out and enjoy my Saturday (and also eat something, cause I'm starved): Here's a comparison kind of thing - logic voted double lynch in SnK S2 mafia as an emotional move. Both candidates turned out to be town, but what made his move not scummy in a situation where it really should have been one was he genuinely sounded angry that people vote sniped and shit went down. Now I'm comparing that to his vote on Floofs day 1. What reason did he have to do that? It couldn't be mere frustration that IC wasn't the most active player. And again, his self-vote on himself today. This feels like exaggeration. Scummy exaggeration. You know, the kind we were just discussing where mafia tend to exaggerate. |
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AbuHumaid said: RE1031 said: there was no motives behind that claim, it was simply a joke. How many times do i have to say this?I'm not looking at your claims as if they are supposed to be serious or not - I'm looking at them as trying to understand why would town do that. And I'm voting for you because I am trying to understand your motives and I believe this is the best way to do that. Plus with those 1 vote trains we are not going to get far. Also what about rei's posts you found townie? If he's not scum then who is? Final thought for real - my focus today: you/logic second tier: togs/labs |
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| Vote Count 2.4 ironace (3): yurkin, Togs, logic340 AbuHumaid (2): reiynii, RE1031 logic340 (1): Floofs Labs (1): AlbertinoDias reiynii (1): AbuHumaid Players not voting: ironace, TheConquerer, Amai_yume, Labs Mod Notes: ~ |
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logic340 said: didn't last long as my townie brethren Amai and got me back on track. I'm with Togs you have a singular focus on me what do you think about the other players that were on me of Amai Train? RE, Togs, ironace, and Labs I will get you lynched Togs pop in EoD1 weird. Don't like the timing of it |
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Amai_yume said: I'm here as well let's wreck the Mafia.I'm here and done with work |
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| And I'm here as well, but uh I still have to read |
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Scum detected.... Had mafia do this to me in another game. I cannot speak more on it at this point but more scum points for reiynii for this one. Would like to see what kind of scum hunting actually accompanied this epic scum hunting theme. |
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| @AbuHumaid thoughts on the two people voting you right now? I will share more on mine after you respond. Thoughts on Floofs effort to get me lynched as well? |
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RE1031 said: Maybe I am nitpicking a little bit this game but I have very little to go on. We don't even know how floofs feels about anyone outside of me. I really wasn't expecting him to eat a bullet like that last night either so imagine my surprise when he died on my bluff? So I will ask you what do you think happened if you take what I said as truth? Was mafia trying to conceal themselves behind my actions? Or is something else going on?logic340 said: All kills provide information. Who blindly supported grrr? Those are people we should look at as well as reiynii who was not a part of the major trains though they were around during there discussion? RE would be another one who blindly accepted town grrr's antics. I did not "blindly" accept his tactics. I compared his town games to his scum games and found this one resembled his town games more. Yes it's meta, and it's awful. Rereading through the events that led to a tie on day 1 - I find Amai's reactions amusing genuine. I've already stated why her near lack of a self defense vote probably makes her town. That does not mean whatever she did before wasn't something worthy of my attention - especially that focus on grrr. You are nitpicking at stuff that is actually WIFOM. grrr is like the most unexpected night kill ever. With someone like you pushing for his lynch, it was bound to go through no matter how much protest it was met with. When was the last time you accurately read a night kill? Or even bothered to? This isn't even scum hunting, this is you guilty of what you accused me of - locking onto a target and then refusing to see them as town. If you actually want to play that game - you and I both know that grrr is (mis)lynch bait. Scum doesn't need to night kill him to see him gone. |
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RE1031 said: I wont go into extreme detail now but after he got dead in the other game his entrance and posts here have made the townie Abu impression on me. The fake claim is something new he is doing as town and while it could be used to pocket me in the future I am willing to overlook it for now. I feel I can wait to re-evaluate my read on him while looking into you/labs (or whoever replaces him)/reiynii/ironace at this time. vote: @AbuHumaid Current reads please? And I'd like your thoughts on logic's anti-town behavior (voting floofs, threatening to vote floofs, would rather vote floofs over amai). @logic340 Clearly explain why you have Abu in your townreads pile. You have a history of defending him (and surprisingly, accurately..) but I'm not seeing it here. Any posts in particular that make him worthy in your town read pile? |
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RE1031 said: I'd ask you to not look at the emotion and look at the motivation. Why would scum care if the Innocent Child shares their thoughts or not? Isn't it better for scum if people lurk of the game and give them a chance to run the thread? I am actively trying to avoid this by getting people engaged but if you can tell me the scum motive, other than some reverse psychology wifom bs then lets hear it.Okay I take back what I said earlier about reiynii. Yes there is fluff, but the majority of these posts are actually really good. And I especially like the one commenting on **logic** lynching Floofs before Amai. There's only so much you can dismiss as emotion. @reiynii One quick thing though - is there anything in particular that makes you townread yurkin? |
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AbuHumaid said: Unvote:reiynii said: you really are pissing me offThis makes it sound like the moment somebody comes to make interactions with you, you try to keep it short and minimal which is why you remind me of that other game. Mind you, I died the first day and only knew you were mafia because I looked at the thread after my death since you also died shortly after so I only have your inactivity to judge you by as for meta. Also this is aimed at Logic who asked me that question in post #650 but how can I make a case about you or find more when you aren't really making many posts. All of your posts that I read were neutral except the ones I'm pointing out because they stand out to me which is why I also find your dismissive behavior a mafia mindset ^ ^)/ Let's change the subject though and add some pressure~ Vote: Abu! Didn't Amai ask this? Oh well! (please do refer me if I missed a post where you explained this) Who are your top 3 suspects and your biggest town reads? How am I keeping convos short and minimal? If so how am I talking to you right now, are you kidding me? And even so not being talkative is completely NAI, go see one of my town games you're being unreasonable and biased right now. So you're judging me from a game meta that was over 2 months ago? Lol ok. Again why are you suspecting me? Make it quick and straight to the point don't bring up irrelevant topics. Vote: Reiynii You're being so unclear about your read on me, how can you be this sure I'm scum wtf? You're calling me out for stuff like inactivity and you're being not much helpful either. You were staying out of the main trains on Day 1 thinking that your unpopular opinion will get you town read. @logic340 @RE1031 @Amai_yume @Floofs What do you think of a reiynii lynch Vote: Reiynii this I can get with. though I need to look closer at RE's read on him. @reiynii idc if this sounds like role fishing but did you use an ability last night? |
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| FYI, the following players are now considered inactive (haven't made 3 posts in the last 24 hours): @Labs @ironace @TheConquerer They were poked about 12 hours ago, and if they don't post within 12 hours from now, we will start looking for replacements. |
| @RE1031 I don't see how you find that townie? I see a lot of posts that could come from mafia having information like how he starts off with not caring about grrr's claims to saying he always finds them scummy and a vote there would be ok. Also he talks about not liking Abu in the early game while saying early game reads are bad, this is a read he is holding on too all the way until now btw. Also the other issue I am having is he said that his reasons weren't that great and not as good as others who were voting at the time so he wouldn't push a lynch on Abu while his vote is sititng in nowhere land. At that point I was in heavy save Amai mode yet they don't touch on any of the top voting options (Amai, Togs, TheConq) only deferring to Abu. So early game reads are bad but his early game read on Abu isn't and has grown to just a stronger scum read than it stated. How is this townie I need you to explain it to me. |
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grave_robber said: I highly doubt labs will post you, might have to poke him on Discord. FYI, the following players are now considered inactive (haven't made 3 posts in the last 24 hours): @Labs @ironace @TheConquerer They were poked about 12 hours ago, and if they don't post within 12 hours from now, we will start looking for replacements. ironace not sure about TheConq said he is here and reading but that is it. |
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TheConquerer said: Can you share some thoughts on what you have read? Host is getting ready to start looking for replacements. And I'm here as well, but uh I still have to read |
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| Tonights night kill seems like an obvious frame up to make attention go towards logic but it seems so juvenile I wonder if mafia are either doing random selections or just amateurs. It also makes me doubt logic as scum though maybe he's the sk. Speaking of the sk I think it must be an arsonist this time round since there's been only one kill. Though that will be confirmed by tommorows day results if anyone dies. Togs seems so have gotten more active so that scored some town points by their methodological approach. Idk why floofs is suspecting logic but they probably feel no danger as confirmed town to defend their actions. Albertino and RE both seem like town as well though idk about reiyu and labs. I also saw some posts from yurkin that made me wonder if they'e just trying to seem active like 653 and 656. Anyway yurkin is the only one I feel like voting today so vote yurkin, this is mostly based on their activity from day 1 onwards. Oh and I forgot ironace and amai existed but I'll try and keep an eye on them today. edit; oh and labs slipped my mind as well, I wonder if they're the vig and inactive since there was no vig kill. Otherwise maybe its Abu since if its not an inactive a lack of vig kill was due to a more methodological player. (ooh I've used that word twice now.) |
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RE1031 said: I will ask you again to go deeper than this in trying to assess me. People use emotion to read me all the time and get it wrong. One last thought I want to put out before I go out and enjoy my Saturday (and also eat something, cause I'm starved): Here's a comparison kind of thing - logic voted double lynch in SnK S2 mafia as an emotional move. Both candidates turned out to be town, but what made his move not scummy in a situation where it really should have been one was he genuinely sounded angry that people vote sniped and shit went down. Now I'm comparing that to his vote on Floofs day 1. What reason did he have to do that? It couldn't be mere frustration that IC wasn't the most active player. And again, his self-vote on himself today. This feels like exaggeration. Scummy exaggeration. You know, the kind we were just discussing where mafia tend to exaggerate. Suzune in psychopass Purity in Hydra The list goes on. What is the scum motivation behind my actions? You have seen me as scum before do I really need to do things like this to try and hide from town? |
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logic340 said: what are your thoughts on Abu? You said that you can't figure him out this game. Can you expand on that?unvote: Vote: ironace Good morning I see Togs was around with big posts. I've read two posts so far I'm comfortable moving my vote of him for the time being. |
TheConquerer said: There is no arsonist in C9++, only an SK as third party.Tonights night kill seems like an obvious frame up to make attention go towards logic but it seems so juvenile I wonder if mafia are either doing random selections or just amateurs. It also makes me doubt logic as scum though maybe he's the sk. Speaking of the sk I think it must be an arsonist this time round since there's been only one kill. Though that will be confirmed by tommorows day results if anyone dies. Togs seems so have gotten more active so that scored some town points by their methodological approach. Idk why floofs is suspecting logic but they probably feel no danger as confirmed town to defend their actions. Albertino and RE both seem like town as well though idk about reiyu and labs. I also saw some posts from yurkin that made me wonder if they'e just trying to seem active like 653 and 656. Anyway yurkin is the only one I feel like voting today so vote yurkin, this is mostly based on their activity from day 1 onwards. Oh and I forgot ironace and amai existed but I'll try and keep an eye on them today. edit; oh and labs slipped my mind as well, I wonder if they're the vig and inactive since there was no vig kill. Otherwise maybe its Abu since if its not an inactive a lack of vig kill was due to a more methodological player. (ooh I've used that word twice now.) |
| @TheConqueror why are you Third Party hunting now when we haven't lynched mafia yet? |
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| due to unforeseen circumstances, I was dragged out of my lair and forced to go out of city with her so I wasn't here. Its 1244 am right now here and I'm going to sleep and will talk again after 10 ish hours..hopefully.if that cannot happen then I will pm grave robber to bring in purity or else I will be doing injustice to his game. I havet read since coming back but I will give my thoughts for who I think is scum -the conquered---standard Mia scum _yurkin--really nitpicky about my wordings..something mafia often do to make points. -logic--I have a feeling he is trying to hide in plain sight so he is currently my top suspect. |
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Uh I just made a guess about who the sk coulld be. But if its not an arsonist then are they just inactive? I'm just trying to see whos lynch worthy I guess. |
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ironace said: due to unforeseen circumstances, I was dragged out of my lair and forced to go out of city with her so I wasn't here. Its 1244 am right now here and I'm going to sleep and will talk again after 10 ish hours..hopefully.if that cannot happen then I will pm grave robber to bring in purity or else I will be doing injustice to his game. I havet read since coming back but I will give my thoughts for who I think is scum -the conquered---standard Mia scum _yurkin--really nitpicky about my wordings..something mafia often do to make points. -logic--I have a feeling he is trying to hide in plain sight so he is currently my top suspect. We must be the most poorly coordinated mafia team around I guess. |
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ironace said: could you place a vote before you go even if it is for me?due to unforeseen circumstances, I was dragged out of my lair and forced to go out of city with her so I wasn't here. Its 1244 am right now here and I'm going to sleep and will talk again after 10 ish hours..hopefully.if that cannot happen then I will pm grave robber to bring in purity or else I will be doing injustice to his game. I havet read since coming back but I will give my thoughts for who I think is scum -the conquered---standard Mia scum _yurkin--really nitpicky about my wordings..something mafia often do to make points. -logic--I have a feeling he is trying to hide in plain sight so he is currently my top suspect. |
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