Do you find manhwa more appealing than manga?

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TomDay said:

Laugasts said:

Read Ecstasy Hearts it has better art than alot of manga and it's fully colored.

YES. totally agreed. art in webtoon tend to be top notch but ecstasy hearts is something else, man. it literally looks like an anime as soon as you read it. even the comments have said that. the art in hearts is just...unbelievable.

The guy who draws it ( SilentMaru ) is very talented. His style is alluring.. it has little touches of realism, anime, and 3D. He made a some tutorials on Tapastic about how he achieved the anime style in the beginning.

https://tapastic.com/episode/164488

Jun 29, 2016 12:55 AM

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MortalMelancholy said:

TomDay said:

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mind to list at least 5 of them??? lol

5 crappy or 5 unique? lmao
Uh, 5 that had originality that seemed quite distinct (at the very least, at the time of creation) from what you normally find in manga:
Shin Angyo Onshi
Id - The Greatest Fusion Fantasy
Witch Hunter
Knight Run
Dice

5 Particularly crappy ones:
Freezing and everything else by that author, along with all of the porn shet that's getting translated by the same people (I swear there's at least 50 of them; people have too much time on their hands =/)
The Gamer
Breaker New Waves
Noblesse

Yea the Manhua/Webtoon Hentai wave is getting annoying. But there are some creative ones like Lilith's Cord.

The Gamer started off pretty good but went downhill after the first season.

Same goes for Noblesse.

I think some Manhua/Webtoon artists do need Editors because some of them start off with strong stories but get repetitive after a couple arcs ( looking at you Noblesse ).

Jun 29, 2016 1:02 AM

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Laugasts said:

MortalMelancholy said:

5 crappy or 5 unique? lmao
Uh, 5 that had originality that seemed quite distinct (at the very least, at the time of creation) from what you normally find in manga:
Shin Angyo Onshi
Id - The Greatest Fusion Fantasy
Witch Hunter
Knight Run
Dice

5 Particularly crappy ones:
Freezing and everything else by that author, along with all of the porn shet that's getting translated by the same people (I swear there's at least 50 of them; people have too much time on their hands =/)
The Gamer
Breaker New Waves
Noblesse

Yea the Manhua/Webtoon Hentai wave is getting annoying. But there are some creative ones like Lilith's Cord.

The Gamer started off pretty good but went downhill after the first season.

Same goes for Noblesse.

I think some Manhua/Webtoon artists do need Editors because some of them start off with strong stories but get repetitive after a couple arcs ( looking at you Noblesse ).

Yeah, one of the things I see a lot more in webtoons is dragging things out or stalling, when it seems like they haven't thought out the plot or just don't have the inspiration to write a good arc. When that sort of thing happens, they really need to go on hiatus or end it (which you see more often in properly published works).

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Jun 29, 2016 1:13 AM

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MortalMelancholy said:

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Yea the Manhua/Webtoon Hentai wave is getting annoying. But there are some creative ones like Lilith's Cord.

The Gamer started off pretty good but went downhill after the first season.

Same goes for Noblesse.

I think some Manhua/Webtoon artists do need Editors because some of them start off with strong stories but get repetitive after a couple arcs ( looking at you Noblesse ).

Yeah, one of the things I see a lot more in webtoons is dragging things out or stalling, when it seems like they haven't thought out the plot or just don't have the inspiration to write a good arc. When that sort of thing happens, they really need to go on hiatus or end it (which you see more often in properly published works).

I think not having many Editors is Manhua/Webtoon's biggest strength and weakness. It allows them to have full creative control of their story but comes at a cost.

But for Manga it's kind of the opposite. Sometimes the creators get too restricted by the Editor then the story gets messed up ( i.e Bleach ).

Jun 29, 2016 4:27 PM

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Amyltia said:

I meant manhwa x) Ive never read a webtoon (didn't even know it existed...actually Ive read one that was very good but without knowing it was a webtoon I've just realized that thanks!!).

ahhh, ok then. i don't think i have read one book manhwa, so i can't really talk about how static it is or not. however, i do believe i can take your word on that, since that makes total sense.

i'd have to teach you a history lesson on exactly why manhwa(books) were so static, and how writers were quite literally forced to not have the freedom of content they can have with webtoon. if you'd like to know the backdrop on that, feel free to ask. but it's not static how manga chooses to be nowadays. that's as much as i can say on that before i ramble on.

I'm talking only about manhwa :what I mean by static is more a feeling, that (it might just be me not enough used to manhwa) the art is beautiful, but its not as maybe "flowing" as in mangas. Like the effects of the wind are imo less well represented in general, that's really the best exemple I can give. Imo the graphic major difference is in the representation of the movement : a dress won't fly as easily as it would in most mangas, same with hair....they give me a feeling that they are more static and less flowing x)
To me it's kinda like they put so much effort and time on drawing X character, that their art is beautiful, but in general is more controlled (somehow) and so it looses the speed that mangas drawings give me! I think that's really how I see it!

as i said, this requires a history lesson to fully explain just how you feel (and rightly, at that) about manhwa. it was a pretty hard time back then.

Yes please I'd like to know *.* I never really thought that there could really have been a reason so I'm very interested!!

Jun 29, 2016 5:01 PM

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i really enjoy both,but nowadays i tend to read weekly webtoon from naver rather than reading weekly manga.

Just like someone else mentioned webtoon's author doesnt have editors so they can explore their creativity and some of them really did it to the fullest, which i really dig.
e.g Tower of God, the scale of this story is so massive, yet the author already planned what he want to do which won't even be possible if it were a manga.

Oh also manhwa/manhua have the obvious advantage of having more Martial Arts genre, which manga severely lacks.

Jun 29, 2016 7:16 PM

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MortalMelancholy said:

So you're telling me that Naruto is "factually" bad based on your opinions? Okay, sure.

no. i literally said fact in the sentence. there are some things that are masterpieces and somethings that are horrible. and some things are better left to opinions.

the lord of the rings is an across the board masterpiece. twilight, 50 shades are across the board garbage.
books such as "Reckless" and "The Paper Magician", those are just left for opinion throwing.

same for movies. there are good movies, bad movies, there are meh movies. same for paintings. same for anything.

I can explain to you why the ones I mentioned were bad, if you're at all interested.

yea sure, go ahead.

I've never read the manga, but the quality of the Naruto anime did reach some incredibly low points, and I can't say it was "bad" through and through.

lol, i wouldn't judge from what people vote on MAL as the holy grail, either. people take way too much seriousness into this site. it's not just MAL readers/watchers. it's an across the board bad story. there are just too many holes in naruto for it to ever be considered something more than mediocre.

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Oh. Well, I wasn't implying that but okay. I understand. I gotta admit though I wouldn't know about "nowadays" since I don't read the recent manga/manwha.

nah sure, it's cool.

Laugasts said:

Yea the Manhua/Webtoon Hentai wave is getting annoying. But there are some creative ones like Lilith's Cord.

just ignore them like anything else.

The Gamer started off pretty good but went downhill after the first season.

Same goes for Noblesse.

noblesse S2 is probably the best season ever written. S3 is the next best.

I think some Manhua/Webtoon artists do need Editors because some of them start off with strong stories but get repetitive after a couple arcs ( looking at you Noblesse ).

noblesse isn't about how the story can get different. it's really just about action and rai...and live fan commenters are better than editors by miles.

and even for the most boring of webtoon, as i have said at least 4 times already, they are still fresh and different from manga and loads better than what they have to provide today.

besides, just because they don't have editors doesn't mean they don't have any outside help on what to do. i'm not sure about other sites, but the creator of line webtoon works very closely with the people he publishes, so much so that he has called them his "family". he's even helped one author who had a complete writer's block.

in fact, he even went to the authors' house and sat right in his living room and talked it out with him. you would never hear the big shots of any manga companies such as jump or S/E coming out of their own buildings, going to their own publishers houses and sitting with them in their living room to discuss issues or problems with their stories, or just to simply chat with them.

Seqeitas-san said:

Just like someone else mentioned webtoon's author doesnt have editors so they can explore their creativity and some of them really did it to the fullest, which i really dig.
e.g Tower of God, the scale of this story is so massive, yet the author already planned what he want to do which won't even be possible if it were a manga.

that's the power of the internet, my friend.

Oh also manhwa/manhua have the obvious advantage of having more Martial Arts genre, which manga severely lacks.

have you ever seen the ability webtoon? one of the best so far. too bad it's on hiatus.

@Amyltia

ok then.

well, back in the 1980's-90's (but especially the 80's), parents of korea (and especially south korea) and the government worked hand in hand. i can't name the reason for this, but for some reason comics (whether they were imported from the US, japan, or the native country) were deemed some kind of paper terrorists that brainwashed children.

this ideal had gotten a lot out of control; children would be punished very harshly if they were caught with comic books, and there has even been a report of parents taking their children's comic book collections and burning them. children would eventually work hard to hide them from their parents because of the needless fear of comic books they wanted to implant on their children, and that studies were their only way of life.

thus, the comic book industry in korea suffered. if you even decided to make a comic book (what would then be called manhwa, manhwa and webtoon are different), you would have to go through horrible censorship of the government and could only write what they allowed you too - and that wasn't much.

therefore the comic book industry was nothing but fluffy nonsense that no-one would read in the first place since it was mostly just boring shoujo stuff. the art suffered as well since so much shoujou stuff was written, and that genre has a specific type of art connected to it. therefore, if you wanted to change the art and make it into a, say, shounen, it probably wouldn't have even made it to the bookshelves since that was the genre parents (and the government) in korea hated the most.

so that's probably why manhwa gets boring easy, doesn't really have much to it, and such. thank God that all changed in the late 90's, when the birth and explosion of webtoon began. that very struggle the children had in the 80's would inspire a certain person to make one of the most beloved webtoon sites and one of the most successful businesses on the planet.

but that would lead to yet another history lesson...(and, again, feel free to ask about that as well.)

hope that helped you understand.

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Jun 29, 2016 7:19 PM

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The guy who draws it ( SilentMaru ) is very talented. His style is alluring.. it has little touches of realism, anime, and 3D. He made a some tutorials on Tapastic about how he achieved the anime style in the beginning.

https://tapastic.com/episode/164488

no way, he's on taptastic as well? and a DUDE made it? o_O

Mayuka said:

Can't see can't hear but love
3 level combination
Afterschool War Activities
Annarasumanara

am super hyped to reach after school. but i have a few things to read before i run into the arms of webtoon.

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Who cares. Both are equally appealing. Anyway on a side note, the content discussed here are A LOT more pleasing than its anime counterpart.

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TomDay said:

Laugasts said:

The guy who draws it ( SilentMaru ) is very talented. His style is alluring.. it has little touches of realism, anime, and 3D. He made a some tutorials on Tapastic about how he achieved the anime style in the beginning.

https://tapastic.com/episode/164488

no way, he's on taptastic as well? and a DUDE made it? o_O

Mayuka said:

Can't see can't hear but love
3 level combination
Afterschool War Activities
Annarasumanara

am super hyped to reach after school. but i have a few things to read before i run into the arms of webtoon.

Yea. Alot of people think he's a female. I remember chuckling once because someone called him a feminist.

Jun 30, 2016 12:27 PM

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EggsOnToast said:
Who cares. Both are equally appealing. Anyway on a side note, the content discussed here are A LOT more pleasing than its anime counterpart.

oh my gosh i was freaking out by your sig. i thought i was seeing things when he blinked XD

and by "the content discussed here is a lot more pleasing", do you mean the content discussed in this thread, or the manga discussion overall?

Laugasts said:

Yea. Alot of people think he's a female. I remember chuckling once because someone called him a feminist.

lol! that's hilarious!

Jun 30, 2016 1:09 PM

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TomDay said:

@Amyltia

ok then.

well, back in the 1980's-90's (but especially the 80's), parents of korea (and especially south korea) and the government worked hand in hand. i can't name the reason for this, but for some reason comics (whether they were imported from the US, japan, or the native country) were deemed some kind of paper terrorists that brainwashed children.

this ideal had gotten a lot out of control; children would be punished very harshly if they were caught with comic books, and there has even been a report of parents taking their children's comic book collections and burning them. children would eventually work hard to hide them from their parents because of the needless fear of comic books they wanted to implant on their children, and that studies were their only way of life.

thus, the comic book industry in korea suffered. if you even decided to make a comic book (what would then be called manhwa, manhwa and webtoon are different), you would have to go through horrible censorship of the government and could only write what they allowed you too - and that wasn't much.

therefore the comic book industry was nothing but fluffy nonsense that no-one would read in the first place since it was mostly just boring shoujo stuff. the art suffered as well since so much shoujou stuff was written, and that genre has a specific type of art connected to it. therefore, if you wanted to change the art and make it into a, say, shounen, it probably wouldn't have even made it to the bookshelves since that was the genre parents (and the government) in korea hated the most.

so that's probably why manhwa gets boring easy, doesn't really have much to it, and such. thank God that all changed in the late 90's, when the birth and explosion of webtoon began. that very struggle the children had in the 80's would inspire a certain person to make one of the most beloved webtoon sites and one of the most successful businesses on the planet.

but that would lead to yet another history lesson...(and, again, feel free to ask about that as well.)

hope that helped you understand.

Thank you!! I had abstolutely no idea, but yea it explains a lot!! Like why there are much more shoujos manhwa I never really thought about it but Ive personally never found any shonen manhwa 0.0
If you don't mind I'd really like to know the second history lesson too x)

Jun 30, 2016 5:32 PM

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TomDay said:

EggsOnToast said:
Who cares. Both are equally appealing. Anyway on a side note, the content discussed here are A LOT more pleasing than its anime counterpart.

oh my gosh i was freaking out by your sig. i thought i was seeing things when he blinked XD

and by "the content discussed here is a lot more pleasing", do you mean the content discussed in this thread, or the manga discussion overall?

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Yea. Alot of people think he's a female. I remember chuckling once because someone called him a feminist.

lol! that's hilarious!

Overall really. It's crazy how the anime discussions predominantly talk about elitists and ratings and tastes.

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@Amyltia

well, in the late 90's was the start of the webtoon era. some artists would draw some comics and, due to the censoring of the government, they didn't publish or release them officially. instead, they would e-mail their work to others to see how'd the liked it.

this got popular fast among other artists, and then it got noticed overall instead of just being a little e-mail hub among independent authors. eventually internet browsers companies (like google and such) developed better constructed sites dedicated to webtoon.

the most popular one, though, would have to be line webtoon. line was a search engine, but the webtoon site was made by jun koo kim, one of the 1980 comic sufferers. he was sorry to see the state of comics as time grew, and wanted to help the then drowning era of authors who wanted to share their stories. so he made line webtoon and launched it in 2004.

it's almost indescribable on how popular the site was/is (or just the popularity of webtoon in general). in less than 10yrs it was already a billion dollar business and making serious cash for many authors across the country of south korea. back in the 80's-90's korean artists wouldn't even hear of staying in their own country to get popular from their comics. now more than enough of them are staying and making webtoon instead.

just to give a small realistic view on how popular webtoon are in south korea, people read more webtoon than they bother to go on youtube alone (more by 30%, i believe).

so by using the internet, they found a way to get around the rules of the government. they now have their freedom many wanted in the 80-90's. why? there really aren't any rules on the internet (i mean, let's be real here, pornography is on it, and by abounds). they don't have to deal with rejections because their content was too extreme, or it didn't pull in enough views, or other things that.

so that's how webtoon are today (or at least the history of them, i could go on about the specifics and what people are interested in by genre). i came to my first webtoon (noblesse) around 2yrs ago, but only recently have i gotten into more webtoon and have noticed more and more on just how unique they are.

hope that helped once again.

EggsOnToast said:

Overall really. It's crazy how the anime discussions predominantly talk about elitists and ratings and tastes.

yeah that is true. agreed 100%.

TomDayJul 1, 2016 12:58 PM

Jul 1, 2016 12:17 AM

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What is manhwa? Does anyone have an example?

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I randomly read one years ago after I saw it at a local anime/manga store (yeah, those existed back in the day). It was awful.

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What is manhwa? Does anyone have an example?

i'll just repeat what i said a page ago.

when people talk about how "manhwa has full color" or "manhwa seems weird to read down" or anything like that, they are actually referring to manhwa-webtoon.

this is a manhwa. it's read like how you would read a real comic:
http://myanimelist.net/manga/837/Kiss_Me_Princess

and this is a manhwa-webtoon.

another example:

RichtheLionheart said:
I randomly read one years ago after I saw it at a local anime/manga store (yeah, those existed back in the day). It was awful.

manhwa do tend to be pretty uninteresting.

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...How is that any different from manga. It seems like even MAL classifies it as manga...?

Jul 2, 2016 2:18 AM

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By manhwa, do you also count the Coloured Korean Comics? For some odd reasons,I don't consider 'webtoons' when the topic of Manhwa comes.

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RyoKei-san said:
What is manhwa? Does anyone have an example?

Manhwa is a Korean Comic like how a Manga is a Japanese Comic.
'For the Sake of Dulcinea' is an example of a Korean Comic.

Jul 2, 2016 2:23 AM

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RyoKei-san said:
...How is that any different from manga. It seems like even MAL classifies it as manga...?

Its. One is created in Japanese while the other one in Korea.
I believe MAL lists LNs and Novels under Manga too?

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...How is that any different from manga. It seems like even MAL classifies it as manga...?

webtoon tend to be very different plot and storywise when compared to manga today. it's not just a personal opinion - many people who have read them/do read them say more or less the same thing.

on face value, i really can't change how you think they visually look like animanga characters, and they really don't look that interesting first off, but the main difference is that they are colored, obviously.

also MAL doesn't classify manhwa as manga.

http://myanimelist.net/manga/29983/Noblesse?q=noblesse
http://myanimelist.net/manga/96112/Witch_Hunt?q=witch%20hunt
http://myanimelist.net/manga/54897/Orange_Marmalade
etc.

Iroha-chan said:
By manhwa, do you also count the Coloured Korean Comics? For some odd reasons,I don't consider 'webtoons' when the topic of Manhwa comes.

he most likely means webtoon, it's just called manhwa as many times as it's called webtoon.

and the main clue is that he said the authors tend to have a better view on story and plot with manhwa. actual manhwa books don't have a lot of that, due to it's hatred back in the 80-90's.

and it's not odd that you differ manhwa from webtoon, actually! people in korea don't call them manhwa either.

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oh yes, and for everyone out there that complain of the white spaces, frames, reading down and such, you kind of have to put into account that korean citizens had to switch from manhwa to that reading style as well.

here is an outline of how they were read. it was originally like original comics, but the second one took over, and it's the most used platform for today's webtoons.

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Lim Dall-young anyone??

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Lim Dall-young anyone??

uh yeah no thank you....seriously screw that guy

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Depends, really. I've had the misfortune of first coming into contact with manhwa that was made by Hwang Mi Ri. It was way back when 'He's dedicated to roses' managed to throw Naruto off the 1st place on a manga reading site. God, that thing was bad. In fact, the rest of the stuff made by that 'author' and Han Yu Rang should be thrown into a deepest pit and lit on fire. Every series is a copy of the previous, full of cliches and predictable scenarios. Not to mention completely unlikeable characters.

So yeah, that experience with manhwas made me develop a slight aversion towards them, until I managed to stumble upon some good ones. And webtoons that I am still reading nowadays. Personally, I don't really care whether the format is a manga, a manhwa or something else, as long as I find it enjoyable and readable. I gotta say my list is still mostly comprised of Japanese manga, most likely because I started off with them first and got used to the format.

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Depends, really. I've had the misfortune of first coming into contact with manhwa that was made by Hwang Mi Ri. It was way back when 'He's dedicated to roses' managed to throw Naruto off the 1st place on a manga reading site. God, that thing was bad. In fact, the rest of the stuff made by that 'author' and Han Yu Rang should be thrown into a deepest pit and lit on fire. Every series is a copy of the previous, full of cliches and predictable scenarios. Not to mention completely unlikeable characters.

So yeah, that experience with manhwas made me develop a slight aversion towards them, until I managed to stumble upon some good ones. And webtoons that I am still reading nowadays.
Personally, I don't really care whether the format is a manga, a manhwa or something else, as long as I find it enjoyable and readable. I gotta say my list is still mostly comprised of Japanese manga, most likely because I started off with them first and got used to the format.

well i've said before that he was most likely talking about webtoon in the first place. i haven't read a single manhwa and from what i've heard around here is that i'm better off never reading them. besides korea barely gives out any stories in book for that weren't a webtoon first nowadays, so there's hardly any manhwa out there in the first place (thank God).

and as i said before korean citizens didn't always love reading down and webtoon in fact started off reading like how manhwa was. they had to develop into liking it by theirselves just as much as anyone else.

there is a webtoon i read that's like in the old days, though.
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=120234

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No, the art and panel layout are oftentimes extremely unappealing. There are exceptions though.

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i've read some of them and they were quite good. the relationship between people and story was more convincing and realistic that in most of manga, so i find them kinda appealing.

you tellin me mangas aint japanese colouring books

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No, the art and panel layout are oftentimes extremely unappealing.

"now excuse me as i go read backwards"
#demweeaboodoublestandardstho

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No

There are manga which also have fresh properties like manwha or even better but yeah. Since there are more manga (way more), more bandwagoning (including scanlation group), so much that you might not know what "Pulp" is about (technically it's LN but...). So, it's kinda hard to look for really good Japanese stuff.

But, personally I have more bad memories reading manwha than manga. Most cases are: "Oh look, something completely fresh and different from Japanese stuffs" .... ~hundred chapters later~ .... "meh, it kinda samey at the end".

So yeah, it has very shiny cover (figuratively speaking) but most of the time, it fails in execution.

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There are manga which also have fresh properties like manwha or even better but yeah. Since there are more manga (way more), more bandwagoning (including scanlation group), so much that you might not know what "Pulp" is about (technically it's LN but...). So, it's kinda hard to look for really good Japanese stuff.

yeah basically my point. manga is all about getting popular and less about value on anything else. with webtoon, you don't get that feeling.

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TomDay said:

allflying said:

There are manga which also have fresh properties like manwha or even better but yeah. Since there are more manga (way more), more bandwagoning (including scanlation group), so much that you might not know what "Pulp" is about (technically it's LN but...). So, it's kinda hard to look for really good Japanese stuff.

yeah basically my point. manga is all about getting popular and less about value on anything else. with webtoon, you don't get that feeling.

You're saying as if manga is American citizen got caged in American jail on American land thus making all Americans are bad people.

Manhwa ≠ webtoon
Manga ≠ shonen jump

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You're saying as if manga is American citizen got caged in American jail on American land thus making all Americans are bad people.

Manhwa ≠ webtoon
Manga ≠ shonen jump

....what?????

what on earth are you talking about? i literally have no idea.

this is what i read:

"You're saying as if American citizen is on American land and got caged and thus Americans are bad people."

what???

Jul 30, 2016 10:26 PM

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Nope. Manga will always superior

Rance X is A GOAT.

Jul 31, 2016 12:42 AM

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I like both to be honest, but I still read more manga.

Jul 31, 2016 1:55 PM

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barthos said:
Nope. Manga will always superior

screw you mate, hope you get harambe nightmares.

Jul 31, 2016 10:04 PM

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TomDay said:

barthos said:
Nope. Manga will always superior

screw you mate, hope you get harambe nightmares.

Wake me up when your manhwa can make story like Oyasumi punpun,Liar game,berserk,Homunculus,20th Century Boys

Rance X is A GOAT.

Jul 31, 2016 10:20 PM

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barthos said:

Wake me up when your manhwa can make story like Oyasumi punpun,Liar game,berserk,Homunculus,20th Century Boys

as soon as you learn that they are at least ten years old and are minorities to the max.

on the other side of the land there are plenty of recent (and ongoing) unique plotlines that webtoons provide.

TomDayJul 31, 2016 10:24 PM

Aug 1, 2016 1:19 AM

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TomDay said:

alenas said:
Depends, really. I've had the misfortune of first coming into contact with manhwa that was made by Hwang Mi Ri. It was way back when 'He's dedicated to roses' managed to throw Naruto off the 1st place on a manga reading site. God, that thing was bad. In fact, the rest of the stuff made by that 'author' and Han Yu Rang should be thrown into a deepest pit and lit on fire. Every series is a copy of the previous, full of cliches and predictable scenarios. Not to mention completely unlikeable characters.

So yeah, that experience with manhwas made me develop a slight aversion towards them, until I managed to stumble upon some good ones. And webtoons that I am still reading nowadays.
Personally, I don't really care whether the format is a manga, a manhwa or something else, as long as I find it enjoyable and readable. I gotta say my list is still mostly comprised of Japanese manga, most likely because I started off with them first and got used to the format.

well i've said before that he was most likely talking about webtoon in the first place. i haven't read a single manhwa and from what i've heard around here is that i'm better off never reading them. besides korea barely gives out any stories in book for that weren't a webtoon first nowadays, so there's hardly any manhwa out there in the first place (thank God).

and as i said before korean citizens didn't always love reading down and webtoon in fact started off reading like how manhwa was. they had to develop into liking it by theirselves just as much as anyone else.

there is a webtoon i read that's like in the old days, though.
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=120234

There are also Japanese webtoons, I am currently reading one so they're not just exclusive to Koreans and their format. And while I also like the all-colorful pages and some stories they offer, it always feels like they're missing something. The panels are often pretty bland and empty compared to most manga pages which simply feel like they have more dynamic and details incorporated into them, which is something I've learned to appreciate more in art and format.

Aug 1, 2016 3:40 AM

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alenas said:

There are also Japanese webtoons, I am currently reading one so they're not just exclusive to Koreans and their format. And while I also like the all-colorful pages and some stories they offer, it always feels like they're missing something. The panels are often pretty bland and empty compared to most manga pages which simply feel like they have more dynamic and details incorporated into them, which is something I've learned to appreciate more in art and format.

Usually it has to do with artist's and his/her team's effort. The line is usually much cleaner, and has more dynamics and details even at doujin-class. I mean, you won't find something this caliber

In Manhwa.

Aug 1, 2016 6:50 AM

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alenas said:

There are also Japanese webtoons, I am currently reading one so they're not just exclusive to Koreans and their format. And while I also like the all-colorful pages and some stories they offer, it always feels like they're missing something. The panels are often pretty bland and empty compared to most manga pages which simply feel like they have more dynamic and details incorporated into them, which is something I've learned to appreciate more in art and format.

Usually it has to do with artist's and his/her team's effort. The line is usually much cleaner, and has more dynamics and details even at doujin-class. I mean, you won't find something this caliber

In Manhwa.

Yeah, I agree. Tbf, some mangaka use a more minimalistic style like Kubo Tite or Miwa Shirow but even then, the dynamics are more pronounced and 'felt' than in webtoons which to me, feel more as if I'm reading a children's picture book than an actual comic. That's one of the aspects of manga I will always appreciate more.

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Yeah, just be careful since webtoons are not exclusive to manwha. Heck, there are actually more Japanese webtoons than Korean's. In Pixiv.

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alenas said:

There are also Japanese webtoons, I am currently reading one so they're not just exclusive to Koreans and their format.

yeah i know that. i never said it was exclusive.

And while I also like the all-colorful pages and some stories they offer, it always feels like they're missing something. The panels are often pretty bland and empty compared to most manga pages which simply feel like they have more dynamic and details incorporated into them, which is something I've learned to appreciate more in art and format.

that's...very little based on the actual stories. you just talked about what they look like.

the panels look bland and empty???? missing details?

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what webtoon/manhwa have you read, like two?

allflying said:

Yeah, just be careful since webtoons are not exclusive to manwha. Heck, there are actually more Japanese webtoons than Korean's. In Pixiv.

i very much doubt that the japanese webmanga business is worth even 12 million dollars.

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Aug 3, 2016 6:51 PM

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Yeah because apparently hard quantity translates into dollar money. And, speaking about money:

You're welcome.

Aug 3, 2016 9:38 PM

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TomDay said:

alenas said:

There are also Japanese webtoons, I am currently reading one so they're not just exclusive to Koreans and their format.

yeah i know that. i never said it was exclusive.

And while I also like the all-colorful pages and some stories they offer, it always feels like they're missing something. The panels are often pretty bland and empty compared to most manga pages which simply feel like they have more dynamic and details incorporated into them, which is something I've learned to appreciate more in art and format.

that's...very little based on the actual stories. you just talked about what they look like.

the panels look bland and empty???? missing details?

(1

(2

(3

(4

what webtoon/manhwa have you read, like two?

allflying said:

Yeah, just be careful since webtoons are not exclusive to manwha. Heck, there are actually more Japanese webtoons than Korean's. In Pixiv.

i very much doubt that the japanese webmanga business is worth even 12 million dollars.

Yeah and? I've never said I didn't like the stories presented in webtoons; if I did, I wouldn't be reading them. The question of the thread, however, is "Do you find manhwa more appealing than manga? Not whether you like the stories in manhwa more than those in manga. Appeal as such isn't only revolving around stories itself, it can also revolve around other factors and as some people have already stated, they do find manga more aesthetically pleasing than manhwa/webtoons and I happen to be one of them, as well.

The examples you provided also didn't do much to change my mind about my previous opinion about emptiness and blandness of webtoons - in most of them, I could easily picture two or three additional panels added in between all those white or black spaces. You don't see those things often in manga, unless it's added for dramatic or some other effect. That's why I prefer the art of manga because it utilizes space and effects better that webtoons.

Lol, I like your assumption that I've only read two webtoons/manhwa. I've read at least a dozen so far I can remember off the bat (if you want, I can even name them for you!) and probably half a dozen more I've forgotten about or dropped because I didn't like them. Likewise, just to compare, I am actively following about 20-ish manga, too because my tastes are various and I am picky about my manga, too. I don't read and praise every shit out there just because it's in a manga format.

It's great that you're an avid fan of webtoons, more power to you. But hey, some people aren't for various reasons and that's fine, as well. No need to get so salty about the fact that other people apparently don't like the same things you do, even if you do think they're the best things in the world.

Aug 3, 2016 11:50 PM

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