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Feb 20, 2016 11:35 AM
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I do not know about you but I have to confess:

The series which for me, was the most promising I've seen since the first season, turned into a monotonous shounen without much suspense.

The first season for me was great, because he had all that air of mystery and a dark aura, was apprehensive to what would happen in the upcoming episodes, and of course, the seinen factor, were more complex issues until a little more blood and it captivated me to continue watching the series, but these last few seasons, I could not thrill me with the series, nothing happens, no matter what the anime show a lot going on, there are events but nothing seems to change, the characters are acting as in a shounen work, the same conflicts are stuck in all episodes, few episodes with LONG and repetitive dialogues that do not stop anywhere, I expected much more, because Durarara started as a 'successor' of Baccano, expected something more serious and complex but now I see a pretty average shounen where the characters seem to have been more stupid, the only frames that I'm considering good this season are the part of the Mikado, which to me is the only character who always saved in the series beyond Shizuo, the conflict of dollars against the yellow and blue square is something even interesting, they could go a little deeper plot of Celty and pharmaceutical industries, in addition to Yodogiri, that's what is Durarara, but it seems that are focusing on the dramas of the characters to rather than walk with the plot, it reminds me of the comic the Walking Dead with respect to the series, I do not know if the Light Novel DRRR is more dynamic, but the anime sincerely lacking.

Just tell me you will improve in this final part and that we CONCLUSIONS please.


Before you judge me , this is my opinion , I'm liking the anime, but finding below what it was before , the studio improved but declined script , I think we put too much and did not know how characters deal with it.

And I apologize for the awful English .
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Feb 20, 2016 11:53 AM
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It was always a shounen and always a completely character driven plot since the very start of the series. I'm unsure of the point you're trying to make.
Feb 20, 2016 12:42 PM
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KaiKatsuya said:
It was always a shounen and always a completely character driven plot since the very start of the series. I'm unsure of the point you're trying to make.



Look, I will review the first season and retest , but for me the air was much more of seinen , things were more serious , now treat it as 'normal' gang killing , organ trafficking and all Ikebukuro aberrations.

The drama of the characters has always been exploited , of course , but the story also walked a little ...
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Feb 20, 2016 3:41 PM
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First season was innovative (animation style, characters, ost). But the story was silly and the dialogue failed at times. Second season was messy from start to end but the new characters were a real breath of fresh air. I find this third part of x2 almost perfect. Every episode was beautifully executed, the conflicts are great and the writing is neat. The interactions between characters are fascinating.
Feb 20, 2016 3:51 PM
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I'm disappointed because not enough Nasujima. He could've been a great antagonist to introduce to earlier arcs, and he could have been given cohesive backstory, because one does not simply become a fucking rapist without some kind of explanation for the most part, I imagine he had to go through something relatively brutalized to become the kind of man he was, and Nairta focusing on that instead of Shitzaya would've been so much more entertaining. I'm kind of disinterested in Izaya at this point, so what's upcoming in the anime will gratify me somewhat, because Shizuo is finally going to give him some deserving payback, but I feel shorted in the fact that i've been literally running in circles around my Nasujima headcanon and independent development for years with no canonical advancement that has weakened my interest in the work as a whole (one of the many reasons why I have not touched SH with a ten foot pole by the way).

The problem is that a dark backstory would probably cause an uproar of sorts among the PC members of the DRRR fandom that I have had the displeasure of running into, as well as the faint of heart. Even if some humor were injected into it I do feel like Takashi would have a backstory that would shock people which ultimately led him to become a manipulative, misogynistic, generally conniving, man (trust me, with the upcoming arc, everyone will SEE what I'm talking about). Comedic sociopathy still doesn't detract from the fact that there's fucking horrific things unfolding. As dark as the series was, I can't imagine Narita or anyone going darker for the sake of pandering, especially venturing in a territory that involves the formation of what would become a man's abnormal sexual deviancy. That is, more often than not considered to be too dark for the safe panderers like Narita, who'll extort windbags like Izaya to the ends of the earth but not do the same with characters who happen to be at an even worse level of deplorable. Because fanbases are terrified of those kinds of developments and a sudden further lurching forward into territory that'd likely cover domestic, sexual, physical, other forms of abuse, and rape, at least one that I can imagine might be rooting takashi's evils. People do not just overnight become villainous, or form assailant behavior, it is generally taught or imprinted upon them from earlier events or witnessing some endless horror. In a very usual case one ends up at least somewhat corrupted by watching abnormal behavior, and feels that to be normal. With Izaya, it was normalcy that seemingly drove him crazy, without notable sexual undertones. But when a person's deviancy blatantly has sexual undertones, it's usually not fucking normalcy that drives that home as being 'normal' to them, it's usually the fact that they've been immersed so much in abnormality or an abrasive, abusive, horrid environment that they feel it to be what everyone else DOES. Anyway, that's just theorizing what fuels the fact that Nasujima's a psychopath at worst, sociopath at best, as well as a likely rapist and clearly a pedophile.

Also, the direction the author took with the LN towards the end was okay, but it didn't wow me, and the ending was ultimately dissatisfying.
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Feb 20, 2016 5:36 PM
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dizzyur said:
I'm disappointed because not enough Nasujima. He could've been a great antagonist to introduce to earlier arcs, and he could have been given cohesive backstory, because one does not simply become a fucking rapist without some kind of explanation for the most part, I imagine he had to go through something relatively brutalized to become the kind of man he was, and Nairta focusing on that instead of Shitzaya would've been so much more entertaining. I'm kind of disinterested in Izaya at this point, so what's upcoming in the anime will gratify me somewhat, because Shizuo is finally going to give him some deserving payback, but I feel shorted in the fact that i've been literally running in circles around my Nasujima headcanon and independent development for years with no canonical advancement that has weakened my interest in the work as a whole (one of the many reasons why I have not touched SH with a ten foot pole by the way).

The problem is that a dark backstory would probably cause an uproar of sorts among the PC members of the DRRR fandom that I have had the displeasure of running into, as well as the faint of heart. Even if some humor were injected into it I do feel like Takashi would have a backstory that would shock people which ultimately led him to become a manipulative, misogynistic, generally conniving, man (trust me, with the upcoming arc, everyone will SEE what I'm talking about). Comedic sociopathy still doesn't detract from the fact that there's fucking horrific things unfolding. As dark as the series was, I can't imagine Narita or anyone going darker for the sake of pandering, especially venturing in a territory that involves the formation of what would become a man's abnormal sexual deviancy. That is, more often than not considered to be too dark for the safe panderers like Narita, who'll extort windbags like Izaya to the ends of the earth but not do the same with characters who happen to be at an even worse level of deplorable. Because fanbases are terrified of those kinds of developments and a sudden further lurching forward into territory that'd likely cover domestic, sexual, physical, other forms of abuse, and rape, at least one that I can imagine might be rooting takashi's evils. People do not just overnight become villainous, or form assailant behavior, it is generally taught or imprinted upon them from earlier events or witnessing some endless horror. In a very usual case one ends up at least somewhat corrupted by watching abnormal behavior, and feels that to be normal. With Izaya, it was normalcy that seemingly drove him crazy, without notable sexual undertones. But when a person's deviancy blatantly has sexual undertones, it's usually not fucking normalcy that drives that home as being 'normal' to them, it's usually the fact that they've been immersed so much in abnormality or an abrasive, abusive, horrid environment that they feel it to be what everyone else DOES. Anyway, that's just theorizing what fuels the fact that Nasujima's a psychopath at worst, sociopath at best, as well as a likely rapist and clearly a pedophile.

Also, the direction the author took with the LN towards the end was okay, but it didn't wow me, and the ending was ultimately dissatisfying.


You have arrived at an important point.

DRRR started well because the author did not have the fame that has now, he could do whatever he wanted, but he continued to work and gained a fanbase that does not admit that the script took a turn kamikaze as in Baccano, as it appeared in the first season, now he goes by $$$$$$$, creating scripts keep coming back in the same place, characters that do not develop, repeated conflicts, all to feed the 'audience'. Just think, focus on Nasujima instead of Anri, Mikado and Kida, teenage fanbase would diminish ... it's a shame but that's the animation industry, where Rokka no Yuusha one of the best anime I've ever seen, sold neither 1000 dVDs.
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Feb 20, 2016 5:40 PM
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I liked the first season as well. Lost interest in the second season and I dropped it after a couple of episode. Never looked back on this series.
Feb 20, 2016 6:14 PM
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WillKamio said:
dizzyur said:
I'm disappointed because not enough Nasujima. He could've been a great antagonist to introduce to earlier arcs, and he could have been given cohesive backstory, because one does not simply become a fucking rapist without some kind of explanation for the most part, I imagine he had to go through something relatively brutalized to become the kind of man he was, and Nairta focusing on that instead of Shitzaya would've been so much more entertaining. I'm kind of disinterested in Izaya at this point, so what's upcoming in the anime will gratify me somewhat, because Shizuo is finally going to give him some deserving payback, but I feel shorted in the fact that i've been literally running in circles around my Nasujima headcanon and independent development for years with no canonical advancement that has weakened my interest in the work as a whole (one of the many reasons why I have not touched SH with a ten foot pole by the way).

The problem is that a dark backstory would probably cause an uproar of sorts among the PC members of the DRRR fandom that I have had the displeasure of running into, as well as the faint of heart. Even if some humor were injected into it I do feel like Takashi would have a backstory that would shock people which ultimately led him to become a manipulative, misogynistic, generally conniving, man (trust me, with the upcoming arc, everyone will SEE what I'm talking about). Comedic sociopathy still doesn't detract from the fact that there's fucking horrific things unfolding. As dark as the series was, I can't imagine Narita or anyone going darker for the sake of pandering, especially venturing in a territory that involves the formation of what would become a man's abnormal sexual deviancy. That is, more often than not considered to be too dark for the safe panderers like Narita, who'll extort windbags like Izaya to the ends of the earth but not do the same with characters who happen to be at an even worse level of deplorable. Because fanbases are terrified of those kinds of developments and a sudden further lurching forward into territory that'd likely cover domestic, sexual, physical, other forms of abuse, and rape, at least one that I can imagine might be rooting takashi's evils. People do not just overnight become villainous, or form assailant behavior, it is generally taught or imprinted upon them from earlier events or witnessing some endless horror. In a very usual case one ends up at least somewhat corrupted by watching abnormal behavior, and feels that to be normal. With Izaya, it was normalcy that seemingly drove him crazy, without notable sexual undertones. But when a person's deviancy blatantly has sexual undertones, it's usually not fucking normalcy that drives that home as being 'normal' to them, it's usually the fact that they've been immersed so much in abnormality or an abrasive, abusive, horrid environment that they feel it to be what everyone else DOES. Anyway, that's just theorizing what fuels the fact that Nasujima's a psychopath at worst, sociopath at best, as well as a likely rapist and clearly a pedophile.

Also, the direction the author took with the LN towards the end was okay, but it didn't wow me, and the ending was ultimately dissatisfying.


You have arrived at an important point.

DRRR started well because the author did not have the fame that has now, he could do whatever he wanted, but he continued to work and gained a fanbase that does not admit that the script took a turn kamikaze as in Baccano, as it appeared in the first season, now he goes by $$$$$$$, creating scripts keep coming back in the same place, characters that do not develop, repeated conflicts, all to feed the 'audience'. Just think, focus on Nasujima instead of Anri, Mikado and Kida, teenage fanbase would diminish ... it's a shame but that's the animation industry, where Rokka no Yuusha one of the best anime I've ever seen, sold neither 1000 dVDs.


The funny thing is that when I was younger (as a younger teen), I loved dark shit and still do, but I'm in a minority. One day I dream that people begin to see the same potential that I see in more minor characters whose backstories could make for an amazingly awful arc of dank darkness. One day I dream that people will take me more seriously for what I have done and what I have hypothesized, cuz it seems like narita gives less of a fuck than I do right now. And that kind of hurts. I feel very lonely in this existence as a lone fan of the guy everyone either overlooks or condemns without even considering what could've led to him becoming so horrid, but because he is not a main people undermine that.

I understand that Narita has units he feels he has to push, deadlines to meet, and some morality to uphold, but that creatively limits the potential for the story, as well as the characterization of more minor castmembers, not just Nasujima even, who were never given proper expansion even by the thirteenth volume of the novel. Pandering kills, although who knows if that was his intention from the beginning. Anyways, I'm unhappy, I liked the Raira trio and their development, but so many people faded from focus as a result of improper characterization on their part, when all the characterization was given to people like Ickzaya or the mains. Unfortunately, from what I can gather, the new novel series follows the same two boy, one girl, high schooler formula, which wouldn't be so bad if the new characters virtually interested me, but they damn don't. There's so much room for expansion and Narita chose to make new characters instead of properly going back to the other ensemble castmembers who could potentially contribute to the story? uuuurgh. I'm mad at him for his choicing here.
Feb 20, 2016 6:33 PM
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I also enjoyed the first season more and admit that it was better but i am still a fan of DRRR and watch the show to see Izaya who imo is one the most interesting anime characters ive seen in a while, I never felt this show was super dark but it certainly used to be more mysterious If anything baccanno was way more darker than DRRR (writen by the same author i believe)
Feb 20, 2016 7:06 PM

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The only thing I miss from the first season is the suspension and mystery, that seems to be all but gone now. Everyone knows about Celty, everyone has met Shizuo, there are like five different gangs, it's overwhelming and underwhelming at the same time. (And the animation was pretty ugly for Shou, ngl.)

I DO like the new characters and the development the previous cast has gone through, and while I do think they could have cut out some different things and maybe attempted a smoother transition between plot twists, I have really enjoyed this 2nd season. I think that this is more of a case of something that sits better when you watch the whole thing in a week vs waiting for a new episode each Saturday for a full cour.
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Feb 20, 2016 10:33 PM

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Regardless of liking one more than the other, as a light-novel reader, I can confirm that the first season didn't do a good job at adapting the light novels. And not just because of the filler chapters (2, the majority of 4 and 5, 6 and 8), but also the fact that they screwed up with the personalities of some characters:

For example: Seiji and Mikado were made simpler in the anime, becoming a plain guy in love with a head, and a guy who is bored with his everyday life, when there have always been more than that.
Mika, Namie, Erika and Walker twisted personalities were softened in the anime too. It was stated in the first volume (the end of episode 12 of the first season) that Mika wanted to eat celty's head, and Walker suggested to slice a man's foot to fit in a crystal shoe, as a reference to cinderella. (I'm not joking btw)
In this aspect I like more the second season which is more faithful to the novels, even with all its bad animation and rushed pace.

Plus, without this second season, probably the novels would not have been officially translated and I think every durarara fan, has to be glad that the series is being animated entirely after five years, because it would have ended up becoming another unfinished anime for good. The former studio stopped continuing the series and now another one which is more basic and "amateur" so to speak, has taken the adaptation being Durarara its first one, so with knowing this you can somewhat forgive them for some really bad drawn scenes (at least I do).
And finally you are saying that it became a shonen with the start of the second season, but come on! did you forget the whole mess with the main trio that began after the saika arc in the first season that still continues until now? It was dragged to many episode and Masaomi's arc was really boring because of that.
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Feb 21, 2016 1:24 AM
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I was gonna express myself for dissapointment i felt in the recent episode, but instead i found this thread, thank god!!!!
Dude, you people are damn right! Drrr has been downhill since the 1st season, specificaly in the story aspect. I mean, every new character pop up conviniently just as a plot device. Just like = izaya bad guy, but wait there's worse, it's yodogiri, but wait you'll never expect his secretary was a vilanous schemin bitch...
Surely i heard that japanese writer (manga and LN) normaly has a great care for their reader, as they reactively wrote based on feedback and comment, but suck it!!!
When i saw kasane kujiragi glide around the town with her sword like spiderman, managed to contain raging dullahan with her net, and planning to sell it despite their incapacity to control it, i forced myself to say WTF!!
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vlad_russo said:
Regardless of liking one more than the other, as a light-novel reader, I can confirm that the first season didn't do a good job at adapting the light novels. And not just because of the filler chapters (2, the majority of 4 and 5, 6 and 8), but also the fact that they screwed up with the personalities of some characters:

For example: Seiji and Mikado were made simpler in the anime, becoming a plain guy in love with a head, and a guy who is bored with his everyday life, when there have always been more than that.
Mika, Namie, Erika and Walker twisted personalities were softened in the anime too. It was stated in the first volume (the end of episode 12 of the first season) that Mika wanted to eat celty's head, and Walker suggested to slice a man's foot to fit in a crystal shoe, as a reference to cinderella. (I'm not joking btw)
In this aspect I like more the second season which is more faithful to the novels, even with all its bad animation and rushed pace.

Plus, without this second season, probably the novels would not have been officially translated and I think every durarara fan, has to be glad that the series is being animated entirely after five years, because it would have ended up becoming another unfinished anime for good. The former studio stopped continuing the series and now another one which is more basic and "amateur" so to speak, has taken the adaptation being Durarara its first one, so with knowing this you can somewhat forgive them for some really bad drawn scenes (at least I do).
And finally you are saying that it became a shonen with the start of the second season, but come on! did you forget the whole mess with the main trio that began after the saika arc in the first season that still continues until now? It was dragged to many episode and Masaomi's arc was really boring because of that.
^Pretty much this

Apart from the somewhat rushed pacing and some characterization that got lost in adaptation I would say that Durarara!!x2 has been just as good as the first season. In some aspects, it's even better
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Feb 24, 2016 7:48 AM

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nothing happens

Factually wrong?

Durarara is not something that spoonfeeds. Development and progression is everywhere but it is up to viewer to piece it together via non-linear storytelling following multiple points of view.


S1 is regarded as better by people who dislike non-linear storytelling, because it SEEMS more direct(because studio was too busy streamlining stuff and the beginning phase of story was already relatively simple). Everything afterward is traditional Narita nonlinear narrative structure.

Current DRRR is still not perfect adaptation, but for once it is doing characters like the protagonist, Mikado, justice, instead of trying to pace it as SOL comedy like first season did.
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I liked all seasons.

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First season was great, watched in during my high school days but Shou was a terrible let down Ten picked up the pace and was better executed.

Ketsu is the worst out of all--nothing much happens until Celty goes berserk. Kasane was the saving grace for me to continue to watch it to the end. I liked Saki's support too. Anri's development was forced and a mess I reckon.



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Mar 24, 2016 10:01 PM

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I was in love with the first season, it used to be my 10/10 series, but sequels turned out to be kinda meh... To be honest, I have no idea what to think about them.

I plan to read LN version in the future, to see whether it's because of the confusing plot, or weak adaptation, because now I honestly can't tell.
Mar 27, 2016 8:09 AM

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Well, I admit I enjoyed season 1 more than all parts of season 2. Maybe I'm one of those audiences who prefers direct narrating. But I'm pretty sure I did my best understanding everything that has happened, but sometimes I found myself having difficulties keeping up with them especially Mikado's evolution. Lol. But I somehow managed. XD
Another thing is, maybe it's just that I found many characters to be not so important and just made the whole series confusing for people like me (who's kinda slow). Like the Orihara sisters, Sloan, the red-haired muscular girl who became a somewhat apprentice of Izaya, Ruri Hijiribe (did I get the name correctly?)... I mean, I know there were things that wouldn't happen if they weren't there, but... it's just that maybe it could have been NOT them. Idk...
Oh, and yes, I agree with OP that the season 2 became kind of monotonous... But I enjoyed shou and ketsu ending. ^_^


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Mar 28, 2016 1:20 AM

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I also loved season 1 than season 2, I don't know what is the different but i think season 2 is not what im expecting it to be or it just become too much for me..
anyway Durarara will always have a part in my heart..

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