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Jan 23, 2009 11:36 PM

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First, I loved the twirling mic of death. That got a good laugh out of me. The episode had some great moments of drama and worked its way towards that final goal of resolving the arc.Unfortunately, Kitamura didn't go into an emo rage, slice his wrists and lay in a bathtub of warm water. But as a certain song once said "You can't always get what you want."

The final battle scene was okay, but felt unnecessarily thrown in. I didn't mind it completely, but it just felt like they thew it in because of a want to have action in a show that didn't feel like a show needing of action scenes.

4/5 because I enjoyed the episode, but marked down 1 in my book because of a scene that just didn't feel had a place in the episode.
 
Jan 23, 2009 11:36 PM

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Agreed. I get what Ami was saying about "Do you feel guilty now?"

 
Jan 24, 2009 12:11 AM
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I don't get it, what guilt (Minorin) is Ami talking about? Is it the guilt from secretly liking Kitamura but cheered Taiga on?

Anyway, I don't think i need to say more, this episode is just great.

6/5


Dunno. I can't even analyze that. At this point, I've come to one realization...Ami loves to torment Minorin and I love her more for it.


"After the fight Amin and her friends discover Taiga’s notebook with the picture of her and Yuusaku in it. Minori sees this - realizing that Taiga likes Yuusaku - and there’s another picture under that one, but Ami takes the book before anyone can see it. Ami then suggests that Minori’s guilt should be gone now"

Remember the last ep?
Minorin slowly realizes her feelings for Ryuuji...
BUT: She thinks Ryuuji and Taiga make the perfect couple and although Taiga denied it, Minorin thought she is in love with him.

The guilty feeling Amin is talking about, are the fakt that she has started to love Ryuuji, but doesnt want to steal him from Taiga. Therefore she called herself dishonest an disguisting?
Now she gets to know that Taiga actually was in love with Kitamura, so now she is free to love Ryuuji with no guilt!

I don't think Amin wanted to torment Minorin, but i thought Amin didn't want to support Minorin but Taiga, cause she always pointed to Ryuuji that Minorin isn't the right one for him.

Whatever..

The resolution of this arc was pretty obvious and it was so clear that Kitamura was in love with Sumire. I liked the fight and the outcome with Sumire confessing to.

Next Episode seems a little bit relaxing and a little distant from drama content, before the mainstory progresses to the TaigaXMinorinXRyuuji Triangle, that is obviously happening in the future, because, although Taiga didn't realize herself yet, she has begun to grow romantic feelings for Ryuuji too. I hope this series doesn't go the 0815 route with a TaigaXRyuuji paring at the end. ;)

Also im very interestet what Amins part will become..
Priviously my thoughts were, that she also secretly is in love with Kitamura, but her reactions this episode prove me wrong.


Gonna agree with your deduction there. I definitely think that a picture of Ryuuji was under the one of Kitamura.

...but what if it was a picture of Minori naked!?

We'll never know @_@...until next episode lD
 
Jan 24, 2009 1:10 AM

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haha who called that huh? People thought I was crazy when I mentioned that the class president might liked Kitamura or vis versa.

Poor Taiga! She was probably hurt inside hearing that confession to the president. This is where shes probably gonna start focusing more on Ryuuji which will result in her bumping heads with Minorin.

As for the whole guilt thing Ami said to Minorin...I think dudave is pretty close to being right. Theres the other possibility that Ami said it because Minorin continued to encourage Taiga to go for Kitamura even though she might have already known that Kitamura liked the president. Now that Kitamura confessed Minorin probably feels guilty for not telling Taiga....Ami makes that comment basically to say it's done and over with, theres nothing left for you to feel guilty about.

The fight was pretty crazy!

updated relationship chart.

 
Jan 24, 2009 1:17 AM

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haha who called that huh? People thought I was crazy when I mentioned that the class president might liked Kitamura or vis versa.

Poor Taiga! She was probably hurt inside hearing that confession to the president. This is where shes probably gonna start focusing more on Ryuuji which will result in her bumping heads with Minorin.

As for the whole guilt thing Ami said to Minorin...I think dudave is pretty close to being right. Theres the other possibility that Ami said it because Minorin continued to encourage Taiga to go for Kitamura even though she might have already known that Kitamura liked the president. Now that Kitamura confessed Minorin probably feels guilty for not telling Taiga....Ami makes that comment basically to say it's done and over with, theres nothing left for you to feel guilty about.

The fight was pretty crazy!

updated relationship chart.



Why aren't Taiga and Minorin labeled as friends? and I would put minorin as having a crush on taiga or possibly having one, it's obvious Minorin's love for taiga is alittle bit beyond normal friend ship, she even questioned her own sexuality. And also Minorin possibly has a crush on Ryuuji it's been hinted at numerous times.
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Jan 24, 2009 1:18 AM

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Pretty awesome fight scene rofl.

Some cheesy lines but this show is definitely entertaining. Lots of fun stuff happening :)
 
Jan 24, 2009 2:00 AM

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Where is my AmixRyuuji?

pffft.

Screw Taiga and Minorin |:

Anyways, it was pretty entertaining, but the change in pace of animation quality was drastic.

 
Jan 24, 2009 2:28 AM

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mm was I the only one who got watery eyes? -rarely ever happens-

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Jan 24, 2009 2:50 AM

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Kanou senpai!!!!!!!! of course, Ami is awesome as always ( near the end) Kanou + Ami = the show for me
 
Jan 24, 2009 3:28 AM

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WOW It was awesome! I liked it. But the quality in fighting sequences has decreased a bit. I still like it though. I feel sorry for Taiga. From what I can tell after watching the preview, she'll continue to pursue Kitamura even though she knows that it's a one-sided love.
 
Jan 24, 2009 3:43 AM

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wowwww....i didn't see such a powerful episode coming...
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Jan 24, 2009 3:48 AM

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DeathfireD said:
haha who called that huh? People thought I was crazy when I mentioned that the class president might liked Kitamura or vis versa.

Poor Taiga! She was probably hurt inside hearing that confession to the president. This is where shes probably gonna start focusing more on Ryuuji which will result in her bumping heads with Minorin.

As for the whole guilt thing Ami said to Minorin...I think dudave is pretty close to being right. Theres the other possibility that Ami said it because Minorin continued to encourage Taiga to go for Kitamura even though she might have already known that Kitamura liked the president. Now that Kitamura confessed Minorin probably feels guilty for not telling Taiga....Ami makes that comment basically to say it's done and over with, theres nothing left for you to feel guilty about.

The fight was pretty crazy!

updated relationship chart.



The chart is really off. Minori is in love with Ryuuji for sure, since it is hinted that she's envious of Taiga (hence Ami said "aren't you feeling less guilty right now"), meaning that she didn't want to start a relation with Ryuuji since she felt like stealing Ryuuji from Taiga.

And why would Takasu have a crush on Minori, they're just normal friends. If Takasu doesn't even love Taiga anymore, why would he bother to love Minori?
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Jan 24, 2009 4:20 AM

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Awesome-5-stars-episode! and great input guys. wow otakus are damn well deep with the love thing... ;P
 
Jan 24, 2009 4:22 AM

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DeathfireD said:
haha who called that huh? People thought I was crazy when I mentioned that the class president might liked Kitamura or vis versa.

Poor Taiga! She was probably hurt inside hearing that confession to the president. This is where shes probably gonna start focusing more on Ryuuji which will result in her bumping heads with Minorin.

As for the whole guilt thing Ami said to Minorin...I think dudave is pretty close to being right. Theres the other possibility that Ami said it because Minorin continued to encourage Taiga to go for Kitamura even though she might have already known that Kitamura liked the president. Now that Kitamura confessed Minorin probably feels guilty for not telling Taiga....Ami makes that comment basically to say it's done and over with, theres nothing left for you to feel guilty about.

The fight was pretty crazy!

updated relationship chart.




awesome chart btw
 
Jan 24, 2009 5:03 AM

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DeathfireD said:
haha who called that huh? People thought I was crazy when I mentioned that the class president might liked Kitamura or vis versa.

Poor Taiga! She was probably hurt inside hearing that confession to the president. This is where shes probably gonna start focusing more on Ryuuji which will result in her bumping heads with Minorin.

As for the whole guilt thing Ami said to Minorin...I think dudave is pretty close to being right. Theres the other possibility that Ami said it because Minorin continued to encourage Taiga to go for Kitamura even though she might have already known that Kitamura liked the president. Now that Kitamura confessed Minorin probably feels guilty for not telling Taiga....Ami makes that comment basically to say it's done and over with, theres nothing left for you to feel guilty about.

The fight was pretty crazy!

updated relationship chart.


gotta love your relationship charts XD.. great in this one and white album :D
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Jan 24, 2009 5:55 AM

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rethardus said:

And why would Takasu have a crush on Minori, they're just normal friends. If Takasu doesn't even love Taiga anymore, why would he bother to love Minori?


Takasu has always had a slight crush on Minori, and he has never really "loved" Taiga, yet at least.
 
Jan 24, 2009 6:00 AM

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DeathfireD said:
haha who called that huh? People thought I was crazy when I mentioned that the class president might liked Kitamura or vis versa.Poor Taiga! She was probably hurt inside hearing that confession to the president. This is where shes probably gonna start focusing more on Ryuuji which will result in her bumping heads with Minorin.As for the whole guilt thing Ami said to Minorin...I think dudave is pretty close to being right. Theres the other possibility that Ami said it because Minorin continued to encourage Taiga to go for Kitamura even though she might have already known that Kitamura liked the president. Now that Kitamura confessed Minorin probably feels guilty for not telling Taiga....Ami makes that comment basically to say it's done and over with, theres nothing left for you to feel guilty about.The fight was pretty crazy!updated relationship chart.
gotta love your relationship charts XD.. great in this one and white album :D


Hahaha, agreed on both animes. Awesome episode. This forum just helped my out on my confusion and I'm rooting for you Ami.
 
Jan 24, 2009 6:19 AM

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DeathfireD said:
haha who called that huh? People thought I was crazy when I mentioned that the class president might liked Kitamura or vis versa.

Poor Taiga! She was probably hurt inside hearing that confession to the president. This is where shes probably gonna start focusing more on Ryuuji which will result in her bumping heads with Minorin.

As for the whole guilt thing Ami said to Minorin...I think dudave is pretty close to being right. Theres the other possibility that Ami said it because Minorin continued to encourage Taiga to go for Kitamura even though she might have already known that Kitamura liked the president. Now that Kitamura confessed Minorin probably feels guilty for not telling Taiga....Ami makes that comment basically to say it's done and over with, theres nothing left for you to feel guilty about.

The fight was pretty crazy!

updated relationship chart.



Bah...I was totally supportive since I said Kitamura might hook up with the President in Episode 3 when she showed up. Keep in mind people thought I was sniffing something at that time.

I don't know about your second point. Minorin is close friends with Taiga she would never risk Taiga's feelings for anything. The impression I was given was that there was only one person aware of Kitamura and the President and that was Ami. Ami knew since the Beach house. Go to episode 9 or 10 and you'll see that Ami says to Kitamura in a concerned/conspiratoral way..."You never miss after school activity meetings." She's the only one who knew anything in regards to Kitamura and his feelings....that's how cool and close she is to Kitamura.

I don't think Miniron would encourage Taiga towards heartbreak if she knew about the President. She would actually stop it. So the rest of this guilt is probably not it. However, I can se your point of feeling guilty for pushing Taiga since no one wants to admit their wrong. But Minorin didn't know.

And the rest is a bit off. I think NONE of us can, and I've said it in my post on page 2, figure out what was going on in that scene considering on the 10+ different analysis of the ep. This just exemplifies my problem with Minorin...she does nothing for the story but add a layer of confusion in her wake...confusion and speculation.

I love that chart by the way except there is NO based on what we've seen of the eps that Kitamura has a crush on Minorin. There is no romance on screen there at all. I would also put a jealous arrow for both Taiga/Ami on both ends.
 
Jan 24, 2009 8:17 AM

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This was awesome episode ! The previous episodes were little boring so this was awesome ! The start was little slow but then it goes sooo much better ! Kitamura is now studentcouncilpresident ! And he made a confession :0 Poor Taiga...

Taiga's and Sumire's fight was also nice. I thought that Taiga would get hurt but she was doing pretty good. And I guess that Minorin also likes Kitamura (if I understood Ami's words right :p).

Christmas episode... Why it couldn't come on December :'''D ?


 
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I love that chart by the way except there is NO based on what we've seen of the eps that Kitamura has a crush on Minorin. There is no romance on screen there at all. I would also put a jealous arrow for both Taiga/Ami on both ends.


Who knows, maybe he dropped his towel at the beach house on purpose for her to get a look. =P
 
Jan 24, 2009 8:43 AM

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Great episode I loved it ! But what I don't get is why minori was bothered through out the episode.
 
Jan 24, 2009 12:25 PM

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That was an excellent episode. I'm glad the entire situation was resolved and everything cleared.

The president is awesome.
 
Jan 24, 2009 12:34 PM

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This just keeps getting better.
I can't belive it!

Even though i knew what was probably going to happen, i still got surprised at the ending.

This is the best anime of the season.

One of the best i've ever saw.

Omg this was teh shit i was expecting since 1998! It took 11 years to make such epic series!
(I'm saying that on the Rom/Com + Tsun+Harem types)
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vaberella said:

I love that chart by the way except there is NO based on what we've seen of the eps that Kitamura has a crush on Minorin. There is no romance on screen there at all. I would also put a jealous arrow for both Taiga/Ami on both ends.


Who knows, maybe he dropped his towel at the beach house on purpose for her to get a look. =P


Everyone got a look. Did you not see that Taiga was having a fit and looked like she needed to be sedated? ^_^ LOL. The only one unphased and that could be because she has seen Kitamura naked or she's used to naked men...was Ami.

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Great episode I loved it ! But what I don't get is why minori was bothered through out the episode.


No one gets it. Every single poster on this thread and I mean everyone has speculated on what her reaction MAY (the operative word) be. I've said this in my post on page 1 and page 2. We don't have a clue until we see the next ep. So you're not alone.

Most people just THINK (operative word number 2) they know...but we really don't.
 
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Toradora iz sum srs biz.
 
Jan 24, 2009 1:10 PM

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Toradora iz sum srs biz.
Inorite? People will throw down with you in the Toradora forums if you have a different opinion.
 
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How depressing...

So, I guessed wrong..





I still don't get it. How did Taiga managed to keep a wooden sword behind her back, yet run around the school without it dropping out?! More over, isn't the sword's length longer than the height of her? Pretty strange..
 
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Defiance said:
Wasabi said:
Toradora iz sum srs biz.
Inorite? People will throw down with you in the Toradora forums if you have a different opinion.


Hardly. Asking a question with a bit of evidence to back it up is hardly throwing down. Especially if said person wouldn't mind thinking the same or had the same thought at one point but doesn't see it now. I just think people aren't open to discussing their viewpoints or aren't used to it being challenged and debated. Real world dictates that it's impossible to live in a glass bubble where people won't question your viewpoint, irrespective of the fandom or lifestyle or what not. Having a reason behind assumptions and decisions would be helpful.

I have seen posters say they hate something and end with "I don't have a reason. I just do." <----Reason enough.
 
Jan 24, 2009 2:11 PM

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Awesome episode. Need more now. And if there's no second season I'll cry.

Also everyone voiced their opinion on Minorin, so here's my two cents... personally I've been thinking since episode two that Minorin has a crush on Taiga. I would like that better than Kitamura/Minorin (which'll probably happen anyway if they follow the logic of matching up the spares).
 
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How depressing...

So, I guessed wrong..





I still don't get it. How did Taiga managed to keep a wooden sword behind her back, yet run around the school without it dropping out?! More over, isn't the sword's length longer than the height of her? Pretty strange..


hahaha...logical reasoning for an animation...I love it! I have no clue. Maybe she got it from a kendo classroom on the way to the President's classroom. There was time between her going after the Pres and the Pres being in her class--so nothing says that Taiga always had the stick on her. The sword is as tall as her but that doesn't mean she can't weild it. I use a archery bow that is almost as tall as me----easy to use and made for me. So it's possible if it was realistic. I think they just omitted a lot of the things. As for her jumping on desks if people are wondering...that's physically possible. There was this great Hong Kong movie of teenage violence that was made and they would battle on top of school desks...the scenes were sick in how they were handled and they were done my professional martial artists without any stunt gadgets.

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Awesome episode. Need more now. And if there's no second season I'll cry.

Also everyone voiced their opinion on Minorin, so here's my two cents... personally I've been thinking since episode two that Minorin has a crush on Taiga. I would like that better than Kitamura/Minorin (which'll probably happen anyway if they follow the logic of matching up the spares).


Well that's not in every single anime. There are anime's that do that and definitely Asian dramas do that. But that's not always the case and if we follow the logic of the show and the relationship building it seems unlikely. Because what about Ami? Ami would be one of the spares as well. Why is Minorin and Kitamura logical pairings but let's say not Kitamura and Ami? Since Ami is as much a spare as the other two.

I think people are fairly limited in how they see this. From what I can see Ryuuji's strongest love interest and I mean the one that wants him the most IS Ami. So she'd have more value to being paired with someone and something similar to the other reject, ie what happened to Kitamura and Taiga. Where as Taiga rejected him. But he just got rejeced by the Pres but there's nothing to say they (Pres and him) won't be together in the end since she also declared publicly, that she shares his feelings.

That's the other thing and the most pressing thing. Kitamura was NEVER really rejected. She NEVER said no, she never denied him and actually said she returned his feelings. So why is it logical that Kitamura and Minorin would end up...when the President publicly returned his feelings but she just had to go to the US. There's nothing to say she would NEVER return. On the contrary she's studying for a period and her family is based in Japan...nothing to say her love (romantic interest) isn't either and Kitamura is it. If that's the case the only spares pairing up would be Ami and Minorin.

Freakishly enough. Ami and Minorin have been having the most development in their relationship in the last 2-3 episodes. If we follow the logical spares thing, then it's all about Ami and Minorin. As for Minorin and Taiga...I think Minorin might be gay (ie. Ami pairing). But then at this point, she could be bisexual too. Who knows...
 
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Wow ... just wow, this episode was really into it, from the confession to the fight to the conclusion which brings forth the question of what Minorin's guilt is about, this was a great way to finish off the episode.
 
Jan 24, 2009 3:19 PM

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i have never seen girls fight like that in shoujo.
The episode was awesome.
I feel sorry for Taiga, but now at least she can molest Ryuuji all she wants <3


 
Jan 24, 2009 3:35 PM

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If Episode 16 was THIS epic how would the ending be!?

But anyways, looks like they ain't kidding about the slice of life genre. It's just about as good or maybe on par with Clannad.



 
Jan 24, 2009 3:37 PM

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wow so dramatic ;____;

kanou-senpai was awesome, she'll be missed.


ps.: needs more ami.
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best episode so far....a smashing transition from love comedy to love drama. I expect great things for the remaining episodes.... and lots of crying.

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vaberella said:
Defiance said:
Wasabi said:
Toradora iz sum srs biz.
Inorite? People will throw down with you in the Toradora forums if you have a different opinion.


Hardly. Asking a question with a bit of evidence to back it up is hardly throwing down. Especially if said person wouldn't mind thinking the same or had the same thought at one point but doesn't see it now. I just think people aren't open to discussing their viewpoints or aren't used to it being challenged and debated. Real world dictates that it's impossible to live in a glass bubble where people won't question your viewpoint, irrespective of the fandom or lifestyle or what not. Having a reason behind assumptions and decisions would be helpful.

I have seen posters say they hate something and end with "I don't have a reason. I just do." <----Reason enough.
How did I know that vaberella would be the first to contest my post? Oh that's right, its the Toradora forums.

I believe there is a line between discussion and over-analysis, and plenty of people in the Toradora forums(including you) cross it. You don't need any evidence to say something that you feel, it's just a gut feeling. I mean I could say "well I feel like Kitamura and Minori are going to end up together" and the first think that comes from you is "well I don't see any evidence of that." And even when the person tries to explain why they feel that way you will call them wrong lol.

In short, you need to lighten the hell up with challenging what everybody thinks on the forums. It's ok to ask a question now and then about why they thought what they thought. But to immediate follow up with "well I don't see why you believe that" or something of the sort just shows that you are trying to inflict your opinion upon them.
 
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ps.: needs more ami.


QFT
 
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Im lost....
Can someone please explain the everything that happens after the fight?

After they see the photo of Taiga and Kitamura they said "Huh whats this" and then Ami stops them. So does that have something do with Ryuuji?

Also what guilt!?

Someone explain plz!!!
 
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Defiance said:
vaberella said:
Defiance said:
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Toradora iz sum srs biz.
Inorite? People will throw down with you in the Toradora forums if you have a different opinion.


Hardly. Asking a question with a bit of evidence to back it up is hardly throwing down. Especially if said person wouldn't mind thinking the same or had the same thought at one point but doesn't see it now. I just think people aren't open to discussing their viewpoints or aren't used to it being challenged and debated. Real world dictates that it's impossible to live in a glass bubble where people won't question your viewpoint, irrespective of the fandom or lifestyle or what not. Having a reason behind assumptions and decisions would be helpful.

I have seen posters say they hate something and end with "I don't have a reason. I just do." <----Reason enough.
How did I know that vaberella would be the first to contest my post? Oh that's right, its the Toradora forums.

I believe there is a line between discussion and over-analysis, and plenty of people in the Toradora forums(including you) cross it. You don't need any evidence to say something that you feel, it's just a gut feeling. I mean I could say "well I feel like Kitamura and Minori are going to end up together" and the first think that comes from you is "well I don't see any evidence of that." And even when the person tries to explain why they feel that way you will call them wrong lol.

In short, you need to lighten the hell up with challenging what everybody thinks on the forums. It's ok to ask a question now and then about why they thought what they thought. But to immediate follow up with "well I don't see why you believe that" or something of the sort just shows that you are trying to inflict your opinion upon them.


Put behind spoiler tags because this is stupidly off topic and really shouldn't have even been started here. Plus it was my stupidity to engage an obvious and admitted baiter.


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Im lost....
Can someone please explain the everything that happens after the fight?

After they see the photo of Taiga and Kitamura they said "Huh whats this" and then Ami stops them. So does that have something do with Ryuuji?

Also what guilt!?

Someone explain plz!!!


I'll see if I can help. Hmm..

After the fight and we're talking immediately. I'll state scene by scene okay.

Sumire, the President, admits to having feelings for Kitamura. Her intention was to protect Kitamura from having feelings for her because she was going to study abroad. I get the feeling that she saw that Kitamura devoted himself to her and she even says that if she admitted to sharing his feelings she believes Kitamura would dump everything and find anyway to be with her. She most probably would be right. So she was protecting him. You'll notice she kept calling people "baka". So when Taiga comes into the room Sumire calls her baka, that was because she found the people who were able to confess their feelings without thinking of the repercussions as stupid. So she didn't want to be stupid and that's why she said she couldn't be stupid...so admitting her feelings to Kitamura would be stupid.

When she says all this you'll see that Taiga and Ryuuji seem surprised and a bit defeated. They just realized that the President is just like them. Unsure of herself and having to deal with feelings she doesn't know what to do with. Added to that making tougher decisions than them about it. Then you see the scene where Kitamura is saying thank you. Kitamura came to realize Sumire's side of the situation and what she wanted to do. Added to that he also got her confession. So in essence they both admitted that they like each other. (I get the feeling they actually might hook up since distance is really nothing and she didn't move abroad permanently. <---that's just my own speculation)

The next scene is with Minorin ahead and Ami with her buds behind. Ami's friends were cleaning up the classroom after the fight and found Taiga's picture book. Go back to episode 14, remember when they were ordering pictures. They had come in and the students had them, that was Taiga's order. The first picture seen is the picture of Kitamura and Taiga. Ami's friends interpreted the picture as though Taiga liked Kitamura. Here comes a bit of speculation, you see the second picture underneath that Ami hid...I believe that picture was a picture of Taiga and Ryuuji. Remember episode 14 when they were picking out pictures? Taiga looked surprised when Ryuuji told her the number for the pic of her and Kitamura...that was because she was looking at a picture of her and Ryuuji. You actually see the picture she was looking at in episode 14. It was the bidbidbidi picture where Ryuuji is on top of Taiga and their in that sort of evil pose. I think most people missed it, except for one poster...he saw it and then I checked back and saw it as well. But we can't be certain but it might be.

Anyway, that second picture was hidden so none of us saw it. However Ami seems to know what the picture was about. Ami seems to know EVERYTHING these days. Anyway she goes up to Minorin and tells her something along the lines of, "have you gotten over your guilt yet" cause Minorin over heard the conversation. Minorin figured that Taiga has a crush on Ryuuji and for the last ep we saw that Minorin might be returning his feelings, although she's rejected him continously. She might have rejected him because she thought Taiga had a crush on him and didn't want to tread on her friends territory (ie Ryuuji). But after the fight and the picture she's gotten the impression that Taiga really DOESN'T have feelings for Ryuuji...a lot of people are saying that maybe the guilt was guilt over having feelings for Ryuuji when she thinks Taiga does. Other's are saying it's guilt over not returning feelings for Ryuuji because of Taiga, or just guilt for rejecting him when she might have feelings. <---that could make you feel like crap. ^_^ I've heard a lot of theories from here and other boards so it seems no one really knows what was going on in that scene.

The next thing was Ami's sneer of anger after she says that to Minorin. I figure she was angry because she's been sort of pestering Minorin badly....someone I think she might consider a friend. Another good theory I've seen and has crossed my mind a few times is that she's opening the battle grounds. So now she won't have to only contend with Taiga, but now Minorin for Ryuuji's affections. <---The problem though I have with this idea, and solely a thought that crossed my mind, is the fact that Ami always knew she was contending with both Taiga and Minorin for his affections she even said to him, "She would be better for him than they are because they make demands and she would along the path slightly ahead of him." That's my own thing.

Lastly, in the scene where you see Taiga is at home is because she was suspended from school for the fight. She might have been expelled but because Sumire is obviously abroad and she participated in the fight...Taiga just got suspension. She seemed to have also been forced to write an apology letter. The apology letter that was the postcard you see Sumire laughing at said "Baka." This goes back to the first part of the fight where Sumire said she couldn't be stupid. When she admitted her feeling she then became stupid too.

I hope that helps. You can also read back on some of the posts on page 1 and 2, they explain a lot.


As a side note...I love your avatar.
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Jan 24, 2009 9:27 PM

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Blah Blah Blah, you are just proving my point that you are belligerent.

All I had to say was "People will throw down with you in the Toradora forums if you have a different opinion" in a conversation you weren't even in, and sure enough, you come in to bitch about my post lol. Like you said, would have been a much wiser idea to just not respond.

As for baiting, I guess you could call it that, but metaphorically its more like I just put a naked hook in the water and the fish was just too stupid to avoid it. You just helped me prove my entire point that people like you are overly aggressive and argumentative.

The rest of your post just goes off in a semantical defense that I could not care less about responding to.
 
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Whatever happened to the good old days where we just root for the couple we want without needing to go through the episode with a fine toothed comb?
 
Jan 24, 2009 9:41 PM

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Whatever happened to the good old days where we just root for the couple we want without needing to go through the episode with a fine toothed comb?
Careful buddy, you are obviously "baiting" vaberella by saying this.
 
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Wasabi said:
Whatever happened to the good old days where we just root for the couple we want without needing to go through the episode with a fine toothed comb?
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Wasabi said:
Whatever happened to the good old days where we just root for the couple we want without needing to go through the episode with a fine toothed comb?

^ This.

This show continues to deliver - excellent character development, hilarious scenes like Taiga pulling out the wooden sword, and all around awesome like Taiga getting suspended. Most shows seem to be set in schools that have never heard of suspending kids.

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haha who called that huh? People thought I was crazy when I mentioned that the class president might liked Kitamura or vis versa.

Poor Taiga! She was probably hurt inside hearing that confession to the president. This is where shes probably gonna start focusing more on Ryuuji which will result in her bumping heads with Minorin.

As for the whole guilt thing Ami said to Minorin...I think dudave is pretty close to being right. Theres the other possibility that Ami said it because Minorin continued to encourage Taiga to go for Kitamura even though she might have already known that Kitamura liked the president. Now that Kitamura confessed Minorin probably feels guilty for not telling Taiga....Ami makes that comment basically to say it's done and over with, theres nothing left for you to feel guilty about.

The fight was pretty crazy!

updated relationship chart.



Why aren't Taiga and Minorin labeled as friends? and I would put minorin as having a crush on taiga or possibly having one, it's obvious Minorin's love for taiga is alittle bit beyond normal friend ship, she even questioned her own sexuality. And also Minorin possibly has a crush on Ryuuji it's been hinted at numerous times.


Ahh I forgot to add them as friends in ep one :S sorry about that guys. I highly doubt Minorin likes Taiga in that way lol. I wont be adding that to the chart unless we get some real hints and solid proof that she does. Ya, I agree, I forgot to change the color of her line. She definitely has a crush on Ryuuji. I'll add that into the next episodes chart.

All other mistakes people pointed on will be fixed in the next episodes chart as well. Thanks guys for your input!
 
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minorin is odd I don't knwo if I'm looking forward to her story arc >.>
but the fight sequence was aweosme this whole episode rocked!!!!
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Apparently he didn't love her anymore :(
 
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Blaah! Toradora's becoming too serious for me. I hate when comedies do that. Make me laugh or make me cry, but at least make up your mind.
 
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If anyone saw after the credits, i'm sure they'll agree it was funny, Kanou is unpacking her stuff in America and finds the apology letter from taiga and all it says on the back is "Baka"

The fight scene was really quality, well choreographed.

My only problem is the series is still broadcasting so i have to wait :(

 
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