Attack on Titan
IntroverTurtle said: The gas is definitely not strong enough or controlled enough to propel someone like that. Like you said the hooks couldn't be strong enough to easily go into concrete. And then how do they change from hook to hook? Do they somehow unhook it or do they have tons of rope and hooks? And in the manga on the thing where it explained it, he said that he got help from a friend who is some sort of engineer or something like that. I don't even know if a human body could take the sort of movement they are doing. Amarrez said: purdy muchIt's impossible on a biological level. You'd die from the g-force alone probably (if not being slammed into a wall), and the reaction times that would be needed to operate it are fucking impossible. |
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Eternia said: The ropes are connected to your body only on the waist area. The G-Force will kill you, break your body into two pieces, like a toy. even with a hypothetical full 100% perfect body harness, the g-force alone would simply kill you, ive given some rough but workable calculations a few posts up. short of a strapping yourself into a water tank to equally spread the pressure, you will die using this. 100% of the time |
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eldest said: Eternia said: The ropes are connected to your body only on the waist area. The G-Force will kill you, break your body into two pieces, like a toy. even with a hypothetical full 100% perfect body harness, the g-force alone would simply kill you, ive given some rough but workable calculations a few posts up. short of a strapping yourself into a water tank to equally spread the pressure, you will die using this. 100% of the time Well, I rule out the fact that they probably travel at 100 km/h. :-) People would still broke their waist even if they travel slwoer. |
Eternia said: eldest said: Eternia said: The ropes are connected to your body only on the waist area. The G-Force will kill you, break your body into two pieces, like a toy. even with a hypothetical full 100% perfect body harness, the g-force alone would simply kill you, ive given some rough but workable calculations a few posts up. short of a strapping yourself into a water tank to equally spread the pressure, you will die using this. 100% of the time Well, I rule out the fact that they probably travel at 100 km/h. :-) People would still broke their waist even if they travel slwoer. the calculations i did were only for 60 km/h. quite a lower bound estimate. even then, they end up dead. at 100 km/h, they end up dead, and ready to be packed as pet food |
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Objurgo said: Someone made a pretty decent DMT and posted it on youtube. Not sure if this has been posted yet Seriously....people have too much free time... |
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JustALEX said: Objurgo said: Someone made a pretty decent DMT and posted it on youtube. Not sure if this has been posted yet Seriously....people have too much free time... On the bright side, this guy could have a future in making props :P |
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Objurgo said: On the bright side, this guy could have a future in making props :P Very true. |
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RandyBoyz92 said: You will eventually hit a wall the ground. you wont even make it that far |
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monomulti said: A quick way to end the thread would be to round up every explanation during the episodes and on those mid-episode transitions. Then explain why it would be impossible. I would say it's obviously impossible even if we assume the characters were trained to resist the G-forces during flight and on landing. And then we also assume that gas is somehow so compressed that they won't need an entire tank to fly for 3 seconds. A grappling hook sharp enough to pierce concrete, yet durable enough to be done continuously. A hook design that can firmly lock onto a wall but instantly lets go with a press of a button. An engine powerful enough to propel 60kg+ humans 80+kph through the air (random reasonable numbers) yet small and light enough that the person can still run on foot. Truly an engineering marvel. Maybe it's just me, but I also never quite seen how they aimed the hooks, it always just flies where they need to be. Assuming it goes straight out the box, they would have to somehow twist their hips/thighs outwards for the wide shots. Unlikely that the sword/trigger aims it since their swords rarely point where it's shot. Perhaps this plot happened because they spent all their resources making this rather than a Neck-slicer 3000 or something. or the director just put it in since it seemed cool and did absolutely 0 research into the plausibility of said design. most people realize that, its just that some snk fans try to pass it of as semi realistic. lol, no, even super robot shows feature more plausible designs for their mechs |
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eldest said: monomulti said: A quick way to end the thread would be to round up every explanation during the episodes and on those mid-episode transitions. Then explain why it would be impossible. I would say it's obviously impossible even if we assume the characters were trained to resist the G-forces during flight and on landing. And then we also assume that gas is somehow so compressed that they won't need an entire tank to fly for 3 seconds. A grappling hook sharp enough to pierce concrete, yet durable enough to be done continuously. A hook design that can firmly lock onto a wall but instantly lets go with a press of a button. An engine powerful enough to propel 60kg+ humans 80+kph through the air (random reasonable numbers) yet small and light enough that the person can still run on foot. Truly an engineering marvel. Maybe it's just me, but I also never quite seen how they aimed the hooks, it always just flies where they need to be. Assuming it goes straight out the box, they would have to somehow twist their hips/thighs outwards for the wide shots. Unlikely that the sword/trigger aims it since their swords rarely point where it's shot. Perhaps this plot happened because they spent all their resources making this rather than a Neck-slicer 3000 or something. or the director just put it in since it seemed cool and did absolutely 0 research into the plausibility of said design. most people realize that, its just that some snk fans try to pass it of as semi realistic. lol, no, even super robot shows feature more plausible designs for their mechs LOL no. Stop seeing what you want to see LMFAO |
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monomulti said: A quick way to end the thread would be to round up every explanation during the episodes and on those mid-episode transitions. Then explain why it would be impossible. I would say it's obviously impossible even if we assume the characters were trained to resist the G-forces during flight and on landing. And then we also assume that gas is somehow so compressed that they won't need an entire tank to fly for 3 seconds. A grappling hook sharp enough to pierce concrete, yet durable enough to be done continuously. A hook design that can firmly lock onto a wall but instantly lets go with a press of a button. An engine powerful enough to propel 60kg+ humans 80+kph through the air (random reasonable numbers) yet small and light enough that the person can still run on foot. Truly an engineering marvel. Maybe it's just me, but I also never quite seen how they aimed the hooks, it always just flies where they need to be. Assuming it goes straight out the box, they would have to somehow twist their hips/thighs outwards for the wide shots. Unlikely that the sword/trigger aims it since their swords rarely point where it's shot. Perhaps this plot happened because they spent all their resources making this rather than a Neck-slicer 3000 or something. The hooks are shot out straight from their holder with a trigger from their hand, they can only aim it by turning their body if I am not wrong. My main gripe is the ability of hooks being light and strong enough to pierce the walls. I still think compressed gas can propel a human to that speed, but perhaps for a couple of uses only. |
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BlackShock_ said: monomulti said: A quick way to end the thread would be to round up every explanation during the episodes and on those mid-episode transitions. Then explain why it would be impossible. I would say it's obviously impossible even if we assume the characters were trained to resist the G-forces during flight and on landing. And then we also assume that gas is somehow so compressed that they won't need an entire tank to fly for 3 seconds. A grappling hook sharp enough to pierce concrete, yet durable enough to be done continuously. A hook design that can firmly lock onto a wall but instantly lets go with a press of a button. An engine powerful enough to propel 60kg+ humans 80+kph through the air (random reasonable numbers) yet small and light enough that the person can still run on foot. Truly an engineering marvel. Maybe it's just me, but I also never quite seen how they aimed the hooks, it always just flies where they need to be. Assuming it goes straight out the box, they would have to somehow twist their hips/thighs outwards for the wide shots. Unlikely that the sword/trigger aims it since their swords rarely point where it's shot. Perhaps this plot happened because they spent all their resources making this rather than a Neck-slicer 3000 or something. The hooks are shot out straight from their holder with a trigger from their hand, they can only aim it by turning their body if I am not wrong. My main gripe is the ability of hooks being light and strong enough to pierce the walls. I still think compressed gas can propel a human to that speed, but perhaps for a couple of uses only. what about where they slingshot with 1 hook attached to 1 building on 1 side of a road, and one on the other, both shot at the same time. unless you can do a vertical splits, it aint happening lol. something light enough to pierce the walls isnt that farfetched, retrieving it, or using it more than once on the other hand... |
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eldest said: BlackShock_ said: monomulti said: A quick way to end the thread would be to round up every explanation during the episodes and on those mid-episode transitions. Then explain why it would be impossible. I would say it's obviously impossible even if we assume the characters were trained to resist the G-forces during flight and on landing. And then we also assume that gas is somehow so compressed that they won't need an entire tank to fly for 3 seconds. A grappling hook sharp enough to pierce concrete, yet durable enough to be done continuously. A hook design that can firmly lock onto a wall but instantly lets go with a press of a button. An engine powerful enough to propel 60kg+ humans 80+kph through the air (random reasonable numbers) yet small and light enough that the person can still run on foot. Truly an engineering marvel. Maybe it's just me, but I also never quite seen how they aimed the hooks, it always just flies where they need to be. Assuming it goes straight out the box, they would have to somehow twist their hips/thighs outwards for the wide shots. Unlikely that the sword/trigger aims it since their swords rarely point where it's shot. Perhaps this plot happened because they spent all their resources making this rather than a Neck-slicer 3000 or something. The hooks are shot out straight from their holder with a trigger from their hand, they can only aim it by turning their body if I am not wrong. My main gripe is the ability of hooks being light and strong enough to pierce the walls. I still think compressed gas can propel a human to that speed, but perhaps for a couple of uses only. what about where they slingshot with 1 hook attached to 1 building on 1 side of a road, and one on the other, both shot at the same time. unless you can do a vertical splits, it aint happening lol. something light enough to pierce the walls isnt that farfetched, retrieving it, or using it more than once on the other hand... http://puu.sh/3rJZv.jpg Like this? http://puu.sh/3rK01.jpg Or like this? For the first one it's perfectly possible, but for the 2nd screenshot, it seems like 80 -90 % of the energy will be wasted, not practical for movement, but Eren did it to slow down before transforming into his Titan. Still, the hooks shouldn't be able to stay attached during that move.. but oh well, anime physics. |
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| (When G issue is completely ignored) It would've been a little more plausible if it had 4 hooks, so 3DMG user can retrieve 2 stuck hooks shot while shooting other 2. |
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DawnJ said: (When G issue is completely ignored) It would've been a little more plausible if it had 4 hooks, so 3DMG user can retrieve 2 stuck hooks shot while shooting other 2. plausible. makes far more sense than 2. still leaves the aiming problem, amongst many other things |
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eldest said: BlackShock_ said: monomulti said: A quick way to end the thread would be to round up every explanation during the episodes and on those mid-episode transitions. Then explain why it would be impossible. I would say it's obviously impossible even if we assume the characters were trained to resist the G-forces during flight and on landing. And then we also assume that gas is somehow so compressed that they won't need an entire tank to fly for 3 seconds. A grappling hook sharp enough to pierce concrete, yet durable enough to be done continuously. A hook design that can firmly lock onto a wall but instantly lets go with a press of a button. An engine powerful enough to propel 60kg+ humans 80+kph through the air (random reasonable numbers) yet small and light enough that the person can still run on foot. Truly an engineering marvel. Maybe it's just me, but I also never quite seen how they aimed the hooks, it always just flies where they need to be. Assuming it goes straight out the box, they would have to somehow twist their hips/thighs outwards for the wide shots. Unlikely that the sword/trigger aims it since their swords rarely point where it's shot. Perhaps this plot happened because they spent all their resources making this rather than a Neck-slicer 3000 or something. The hooks are shot out straight from their holder with a trigger from their hand, they can only aim it by turning their body if I am not wrong. My main gripe is the ability of hooks being light and strong enough to pierce the walls. I still think compressed gas can propel a human to that speed, but perhaps for a couple of uses only. what about where they slingshot with 1 hook attached to 1 building on 1 side of a road, and one on the other, both shot at the same time. unless you can do a vertical splits, it aint happening lol. something light enough to pierce the walls isnt that farfetched, retrieving it, or using it more than once on the other hand... If you watch when Armin anchored himself to Eren-Titan's back, he fired the hooks down alongside. Seems the way he positioned the control handles directed where the hooks go.  |
HuechiJun 30, 2013 7:13 AM
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| The system itself makes little sense consider the gas tanks they have. They wil need a lot more gas that they can carry for such a thing. Also even if we assume that training is enough to give you the proper ability to withstand g-forces and fast reflexes needed the thing still is biologically impossible cause you will brake hands and legs every time you landed. You can land on rooftops and walls with speed and your bones tenons and else not suffer the damage. StopDropAndBowl said: JaegerTheMan said: StopDropAndBowl said: Good Lord, no. What is it with people and thinking that everything in this show has to be realistic? It's a show about giants that eat 16th-century people 2,000 years in the future.... it's not going to be realistic. Which makes me think, is it possible for humanity to win if they had access to modern weapons like missiles etc.? They would probably be in a much better position to fight back. Assuming the Titans don't evolve at very high-speeds (their intelligence/abilities seem to be growing, but not exponentially) then they could very well be wiped out by tanks, missiles, nukes, airstrikes, coordinated artillery long before they could formulate an appropriate response. The 50 meter uber-Titan would still be a problem, but a bunker-buster could most likely take the big mother down without too much trouble. Actually you underestimate our technology significantly. The Titans including the 50 meter one will be slaughtered by modern weapons. They have no chance in hell. |
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Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
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Adramelech said: "Plausable to use"? How is that going to be plausible? Are you going to hunt birds? I can't keep up with the shitstorm anymore. Lol nothing wrong with hunting birds to the extreme. |
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| I don't think the exact design concept is very feasible actually. But you can't nitpick every single thing in fiction. It is fiction after all. |
| cant believe i still have this thread watched. forgot it existed. well. ill just bump my old comment back up for any idiot that actually legitimately believes this is plausible eldest said: i have episode 8 of gg's SNK at 1:56 in the OP we see eren go above a titan then whip back down straight onto his neck, taking around .10-.20 seconds to achieve lets assume they travel at around 60kmph fair call? using this online calculator we can measure the G force of their acceleration as start speed (he peaks at the top of his jump and quickly switches direction, meaning he technically has negative starting speed since he was traveling backwards then shot the opposite direction, but well just leave his start speed at zero for the sake of argument) start speed=0 final speed=60kmph time taken=.10= Acceleration 166.67 m/s2 or 546.67 ft/s2 or 16.99 g (16.99g times erens body weight (average weight between 50-60kg, we'll use 55) =934kg equivalent body weight during acceleration. close to 1 tonne. you're bones arent just breaking, you're dead well be more lenient and put it at .20 seconds taken= Acceleration 83.33 m/s2 or 273.33 ft/s2 or 8.49 g (same as before) =466kg severely injured, blacked out, you'll be dead once you hit whatever is below you now well measure the deceleration with this start speed in mph (60kmph=37mph, this calculator only runs in mph) start speed=37mph end speed=0 time taken=<0.10 estimated deceleration is about 370 mph per second or 16.82g's case closed. |
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| at this moment, we are able to create 3D gear but it will be hard to use it with minimal casualties look at the cities or forests, high building or trees will easily take you down O_O besides that, we can't go again the natural laws, especially the gravity and friction Adramelech said: "Plausable to use"? How is that going to be plausible? Are you going to hunt birds? I can't keep up with the shitstorm anymore. yep, wear the 3D gear and take a gun with you, so you can shoot down the birds XD |
ductaubg127 said: Adramelech said: "Plausable to use"? How is that going to be plausible? Are you going to hunt birds? I can't keep up with the shitstorm anymore. yep, wear the 3D gear and take a gun with you, so you can shoot down the birds XD Hahaha, overkill much? Well, at least the explanation offered has more thought in it than Batman's grappling hook, not that it doesn't look cool either. I for one appreciate when authors try to put some thought into such inventions. Then there's the presence of those black boxes in the designs, the contents of which are "confidential" and probably intended to deflect many of the plausibility questions (aka the 'applied phlebotinum' trope). But yeah, from a physical and biological standpoint using the maneuvering gear doesn't seem feasible. |
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| If you completely disregard what the 3DMG would do to the human body... the true fail of it really is in the environment that it's used. You would need to have absolute faith in the structural integrity of EVERY single objects used by the grapplers. All it would take is piercing a weak branch, poorly cemented brick, etc. to bring your 3D activities to a smashing end lol. |
Forgetfulness said: No, you will die from G-forces if you spin like they do. Not that spinning in that situation is viable for anything except looking cool (said all the physicists on MAL) Nice Aoko avatar. But yeah what he said. |
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| What I noticed in the anime that the technological level their civilization has attained; There should be at least some sort of Hot air balloons Trains Gliders But given their world is in constant threat by Titans and their survival hangs by a thread. I don't see why the people especially their youth have much of career options. Its either you're a soldier or farmer. Plus you have a government that's merely content with the way things are and may view any type of progress taboo. |
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NameMeLife said: What I noticed in the anime that the technological level their civilization has attained; There should be at least some sort of Hot air balloons Trains Gliders But given their world is in constant threat by Titans and their survival hangs by a thread. I don't see why the people especially their youth have much of career options. Its either you're a soldier or farmer. Plus you have a government that's merely content with the way things are and may view any type of progress taboo. C'mon, with the 3D movement gear a pogo stick shouldn't be too far fetched. I'll kill 'em all- with my pogo stick! Bwahahahahaha! On hot air balloons... I think we should leave it at how lax humanity has become inside the walls. |
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StopDropAndBowl said: The giants seem to be the only significant difference between the SnK world and our world.Good Lord, no. What is it with people and thinking that everything in this show has to be realistic? It's a show about giants that eat 16th-century people 2,000 years in the future.... it's not going to be realistic. |
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