Discussion: Who do you think among these characters deserve Kodaka the best?

JennyEsquire said:

Yozora has always been an outcast, without any real friends, and have constantly been looked down upon by people like Sena. It's understandable why she'd show such contempt for her. Sena is extremely popular, beautiful(?), rich, she uses her sexuality in order to get favours from some of the guys, and even though she's a complete ditz she gets great grades without even trying. It's easy to think that she's undeserving of all these things (which she probably is).
Even though I can agree that Yozora goes way overboard sometimes, I don't think the incident you mentioned was particularly bad in any way, and if I had such a gullible friend(?) myself then I'd probably trick her into doing stupid shit too.

JennyEsquire said:
Well, for starters, Yozora already started as sort of mature. If anything she should learn to be less serious sometimes.
I think that Yozora and Kodaka have a lot more in common, since they were both outcasts and all. She's also more intelligent and she doesn't knowingly lead guys on in order to get favours (otherwise known as slut behaviour). I also like her more than Sena lookswise, but that's another point entirely.

tsudecimo said:

It is only selling out if he already intended to end it in a certain way but change it to please his fans.I doubt he would do that most writers have respect for their work and value it above what the fandom wants.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Also you said only Sena lacks common sense but in reality all of them have problems.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
1. Yozora always bullies others but can't take a little teasing herself. Some maturity that is. If you always hurt others, you should be ready to endure it yourself too. But she hits Sena whenever she teases her.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
2. Her talk and actions contradict each other most of the time. Episode 6 again as a reference.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
The otome game is another good example. She should have learned that she won't accomplish anything unless she gets along with other. Despite the cool dialogues, she didn't learn much.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Also bullying others doesn't mean she is mature when she does is just for her own amusement most of the time.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
I will put up another example from the LN later

bNq said:

That right here was always the reason I hated Yozora with such a burning passion. You see, I totally get where she's coming from, being the outcast and everything. I also can totally understand her hating Sena for the reasons you listed, but you have to take in account that in the anime more than a year already passed since they first met. In that time Sena mentioned multiple times how she had to struggle with her own problems (no real friends either for example) as well, and that she actually was just looking for genuine friendship.

In my opinion, a sane person would think of this as the excellent situation. Two lonely girls who look for friendship, or at least so it appears, get to meet and could be friends. The problem is, Yozora isn't looking for friends though. And I guess, she never was. She's just craving for Kodaka's dick, and like the manipulative and calculating bitch she is, she tries to do everything within her reach to seperate any other girl (not just Sena) from Kodaka.

Also, Yozora is a huge hypocrite. Somewhere in S1 she stated how she hated people who bully others, and yet, what she constantly does to Sena over the course of this year can't even be described as bullying anymore - it's mental abuse. She knows Sena has no other place to go, so even if she does horrible things to her, Sena will still come back. Because Sena has no friends, she has nobody, and depends on this club and the people she met there - not just Kodaka. So she continues to abuse Sena, infront of Kodaka especially, to make herself look superior. Because in reality she knows, she can't keep up with Sena.

So, while Sena is a nice girl who just looks for friendship, Yozora is a manipulative cock craving slut who hates every other female near here - except if they're imaginery. Sena opened up a bit, not just to Kodaka but the whole group, over the past and actually developed a bit as a character. The only character development Yozora had, was her lousy hair cut.

Also, I'm not saying everyone of Yozora's pranks is godawful. Some are just minor pranks who no one really cares about, but the stuff she pulled in S2 alone so far is pretty harsh. If you find that behaviour acceptable yourself, then I seriously have to question your moral values.
Also, where did you get it from that she doesn't need to work for her grades? Japanese schools are brutal, I highly doubt that.

bNq said:
her motif is clearly to get Kodaka, so dunno how else I should describe it.

tsudecimo said:
You are being too harsh on sena none of them are sluts.

JennyEsquire said:

Are you forgetting about how Sena used to lead guys on in order to get them to do her favours/give her stuff? That's definitely slut like behaviour.

tsudecimo said:

They didn't actually show her lead guys. They just do what she asks them when she got that game.Unless you are taking the licking feet thing seriously as a sexual favor which i doubt even happened since they didn't show it .

JennyEsquire said:

I'm sorry but ''that game''? I'm not following you, either because I'm stupid or because my memory just sucks. In either case, what they showed her doing in season one is definitely a sign of bad character. I don't think I'd ever want to be with a girl who's so full of herself/suffers from such severe hubris.

tsudecimo said:
You are being too harsh on sena none of them are sluts.

tsudecimo said:

They didn't actually show her lead guys. They just do what she asks them when she got that game.Unless you are taking the licking feet thing seriously as a sexual favor which i doubt even happened since they didn't show it .

Iner7ia said:



They kind of showed her leading guys, but even if they didn't technically show it they also didn't show anything to suggest that it was made up.

JennyEsquire said:

I agree. Also, she obviously loved gloating, and constantly being the centre of attention, having people treat her like a queen. Even though she had trouble getting ''real'' friends, she's too self-centered for me.

frivolity said:

I don't think it's accurate to say that Yozora's other characteristics outshine all of Sena's other characteristics. The girls have different strengths and weaknesses and it ultimately comes down to personal taste. Everyone has their own subjective views on these and there's no universal rule about who's right and who's wrong when it comes to these.

JennyEsquire said:

Everyone has problems IRL too. How does this change anything I said?


Again, you have to give examples.


Again, be more specific


Wait, what are you talking about? That was a video game, and she did get along with someone in the end. Besides, Sena had the exact same attitude when both her and Sena were playing dating sims back in season 1, and so far there's no reason to assume that she's changed either.


When did I ever say anything else?


Don't spoil it for me.

JennyEsquire said:

Are you forgetting about how Sena used to lead guys on in order to get them to do her favours/give her stuff? That's definitely slut like behaviour.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:

The way you said that was like Sena was the only one who lacked common sense but that can be said for everyone in the club. Everyone lacks some common sense there.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Either you are blind or you didn't get the message episode 5 tried to show. Watch the episode again and if you still think it's just a game and nothing else...........then i would like to say you are nothing more than a blind fan.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
During the game Sena teased her the same way Yozora does when Sena plays games (Sena bullies her even worse for example. making her read out the h-scene out loud) but what did Yozora do....got angry, hit her with the flyswatter, got irritated with the game. I am not gonna list all of them because the fact is true. If you refuse to see it it's your problem.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:

If you put it like that you can't really blame people for calling Yozora a "cock craving bitch".

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
tsudecimo already explained it well enough but i guess some people are too blind to understand it.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Also if Sena is self-centered then Yozora can also be called selfish

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Some of you are just refusing to accept that Sena has developed as a character compared to before and can't even put up a good example about how much Yozora developed as a character.

JennyEsquire said:
I know, not every person acts completely rationally all the time. You've still failed to give any examples however, and there's a big difference between being like everyone else and thinking that standing naked on your roof and screaming ''SEKKUSHII BIIIMUU!!'' is going to help your life in any way. You're just digging yourself a hole now.





Did I ever deny that this was one of Yozora's flaws? No. I'm not going to rewatch episode 5 for your sake. Anyway, I was completely right when I said that Sena had the exact same attitude when they were both playing dating sims back in season one. How am I missing the point exactly?




That's what made you so upset? I think Yozora is cute when she gets upset. What was your point again? Cause I'm not going back to check.


Most every girl in this show is cock-craving, and they didn't call her a bitch, but a slut.


Oh, he did? When? Fetch me that quote, please.



When was the last time Yozora exhibited exceptionally selfish behaviour?



I'm not saying that she hasn't developed at all, I'm just saying that she's still as naive and gullible as she was in episode one. That hasn't changed at all.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Guess it's pointless talking to blind fan who doesn't want to admit he/she is wrong. I told you rewatch the episode because you didn't understand the purpose of that episode but it's entirely your choice, i don't give a shit whether you watch it or not. Besides Yozora acts selfish most of the time. Whatever i know i am right whether you try to deny it or act ignorant doesn't really matter. Just in case tsudecimo explained it in reply to your posts but maybe you were too blind to see anything. Good luck watching the upcoming episodes.

JennyEsquire said:


Why don't you just adress my points instead?

When did tsudecimo explain how Yozora is a slut? Quote that shit.

How is Sena any less gullible now than she was at the start of the series?

When was the last time Yozora exhibited exceptionally selfish behaviour?

How does every single main character lack common sense? You still haven't given a single example to support this claim

How did I miss the point of episode 5? I did acknowledge Yozora's shortcomings, I didn't try to deny anthing. If you think I did miss the point then quote me.

You don't have any excuse.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
you are misunderstanding all my points here or tbh you are mixing them all up.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
you can't really blame people for calling Yozora a "cock craving bitch". tsudecimo already explained it well

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Sena was like that during the beginning but she has changed well during the course of the series.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Also if Sena is self-centered then Yozora can also be called selfish and evil.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Nobody in the club has has common sense.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Guess it's pointless talking to blind fan who doesn't want to admit he/she is wrong.

JennyEsquire said:
POINT 1.
''When did tsudecimo explain how Yozora is a slut? Quote that shit.''

JennyEsquire said:


POINT 2.
''How is Sena any less gullible now than she was at the start of the series?''

JennyEsquire said:

POINT 3.
''When was the last time Yozora exhibited exceptionally selfish behaviour?''

Either show the last time Yozora acted selfishly, or don't.

Yozora Mikazuki (三日月 夜空)
A cruel and selfish black-haired girl

frivolity said:
I respect tsudecimo's posts, in particular, because it is clear that he strives to be as neutral and objective as possible, even though I disagree with some of his points.

tsudecimo said:
Of course she is not as selfish and evil as some of her haters claim.

Main reason why she is called selfish:
- Wanting kodaka for her self and doesn't want him to have other friends ( why she made the club basically )

tsudecimo said:
You are misunderstanding this.He meant i explained why Sena isn't a slut.

Iasuru said:
Sena's dad really wants to hit Kodaka. I think he deserves kodaka the best.

JennyEsquire said:

I knew this, I just wanted him to tell me himself why he thought so. Worth mentioning however is that all of the girls want him for themselves and are more or less jealous of each other. Yozora mostly just seems more motivated than the rest, which to me is a point in her favour. She was also the first of them to show an interest in Kodaka.


I thought as much. It would've been better if he'd just said so.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:

I said it several times. It's not my fault that you can't read or understand simple stuff.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
you can't really blame people for calling Yozora a "cock craving bitch". tsudecimo already explained it well

ainky said:
Sena wins! easypeasylemonsqueezy

JennyEsquire said:

When? Show me that quote.

Not this one, I'm sure.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Seriously all you can do is use some childish logic. What i said was "If you put it like that you can't really blame people for calling Yozora a "cock craving bitch"" and that was after you started calling Sena a slut. Don't try to twist my words by leaving the first part out. It's pathetic. Either go see a doctor or take some English classes. Your reading capability is horrible. Also you aren't exactly countering my points, you are just twisting them like the above part.........just pathetic.

JennyEsquire said:

Oh, so now I am twisting your words also? Or did I just misunderstand? Pick fucking one. So what did you actually mean when you said ''you can't really blame people for calling Yozora a "cock craving bitch". tsudecimo already explained it well''?

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Also if Sena is self-centered then Yozora can also be called selfish and evil.

JennyEsquire said:
Sena was like that during the beginning but she has changed well during the course of the series.

JennyEsquire said:
They are all cock craving bitches

NTR-Sentai said:
I think it's about time I chip in.


Evil? Don't make me laugh. You don't know what evil means, kid.

What are you talking about? Even though Sena-chan has devoloped as a character, she's still the same on all of those points. I love Sena-chan but she is as dumb as a brick.

JennyEsquire said:
@Dragon_Slayer_X

You keep saying that I'm in denial. I've already asked you exactly what I'm in denial about, and so far you've yet to answer that question. It'll be hard for me to become a better person if I don't know what I'm supposed to change.

What is it that I'm too blind to see?

Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Sorry i don't know how else i am supposed to answer you. I tried in my way but i think it was either too harsh or too complicated. But it's a fact that you just used a part of what i said to ask a pointless question again and again. Moreover, while you admitted that you thought something similar regardless you kept asking me the same questions. I think i explained them more or less in my previous posts but you kept misunderstanding. I was a little harsh in my previous post so i apologize. But you are just refusing to see a Sena a character who is developing as time passes and overly biased against her character.