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loub31 said: About Gil... maybe it's a coincidence but for Kirei it's not ,the grail granted Kirie wish ; and this is from Wikia : "In Kirei's last moments, the Holy Grail appeared to him; filled with hatred and envy for Kiritsugu, Kirei reached out and touched the cursed artifact. He prayed for an end to humanity; his wish was granted in the form of fire. " I have to question the credibility of that , especially "the last moments "after being shot to the heart.If this is from character material or it was mentioned in FSN but I forgot,then it was his subconscious since he had no idea what happened when he woke up.Like Kiritsugu's true wish was to be with Iri and Ilya but he never realized it.And remember that in wiki everyone writes whatever he wants....Like Shirley being killedby Kerry. |
ssjokg said: link for a bigger resolution? Original - http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=23580508 And safebooru in case someone can't access pixiv - http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=734990 Btw. something to lighten up the sadness of the final episode, absurdities and group shots: http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856834 http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856304 http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=857532 http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=857548 http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856196 http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=857289 http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=857169 http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856819 http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856827 |
ssjokg said: True, but that one particularly comes from Nasu's original material and as far as I've seen nothing particularly conflicts with it in Fate/Zero. In Stay Night Kirei admitted at several points that an unworthy one wished for Fire, trying to pass it off as Kiritsugu's doing. He then, twice I believe, admitted to Shirou he was the one who wished for Fire. Considering the Grail "did it on his own" in Fate/Zero, wouldn't it be more plausible to assume the Grail just picked up Kirei's supressed wishes for destruction? I mean, don't forget what he spent the next 10 years sadistically doing on the church's basement.loub31 said: About Gil... maybe it's a coincidence but for Kirei it's not ,the grail granted Kirie wish ; and this is from Wikia : "In Kirei's last moments, the Holy Grail appeared to him; filled with hatred and envy for Kiritsugu, Kirei reached out and touched the cursed artifact. He prayed for an end to humanity; his wish was granted in the form of fire. " I have to question the credibility of that , especially "the last moments "after being shot to the heart.If this is from character material or it was mentioned in FSN but I forgot,then it was his subconscious since he had no idea what happened when he woke up.Like Kiritsugu's true wish was to be with Iri and Ilya but he never realized it.And remember that in wiki everyone writes whatever he wants....Like Shirley being killedby Kerry. |
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Leon-Gun said: ssjokg said: True, but that one particularly comes from Nasu's original material and as far as I've seen nothing particularly conflicts with it in Fate/Zero. In Stay Night Kirei admitted at several points that an unworthy one wished for Fire, trying to pass it off as Kiritsugu's doing. He then, twice I believe, admitted to Shirou he was the one who wished for Fire. Considering the Grail "did it on his own" in Fate/Zero, wouldn't it be more plausible to assume the Grail just picked up Kirei's supressed wishes for destruction? I mean, don't forget what he spent the next 10 years sadistically doing on the church's basement.loub31 said: About Gil... maybe it's a coincidence but for Kirei it's not ,the grail granted Kirie wish ; and this is from Wikia : "In Kirei's last moments, the Holy Grail appeared to him; filled with hatred and envy for Kiritsugu, Kirei reached out and touched the cursed artifact. He prayed for an end to humanity; his wish was granted in the form of fire. " I have to question the credibility of that , especially "the last moments "after being shot to the heart.If this is from character material or it was mentioned in FSN but I forgot,then it was his subconscious since he had no idea what happened when he woke up.Like Kiritsugu's true wish was to be with Iri and Ilya but he never realized it.And remember that in wiki everyone writes whatever he wants....Like Shirley being killedby Kerry. Well there is a big difference from Kirei actually making the wish and the grail doing something it was never directly asked to do(plus it was more or less what the grail would do anyway). Trenerka said: ssjokg said: link for a bigger resolution? Original - http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=23580508 And safebooru in case someone can't access pixiv - http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=734990 thanks!! http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856834 It looks like "I will be back" lol http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856304 bad ending? http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=857532 dont know what to comment about.. http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=857548 win because of Kayneth. http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856827 forever alone Saber? |
ssjokg said: True, but then this is at least partly due to Gen taking a bit too much creative license in a part that the original novel repeated over and over. One thing is to change the part about the amount of times Kiri and Saber talked (from it being literally 3 times to him "ordering her" with the Command Spell 3 times) and another is to change the main villain's established backstory, one stated several times, and retcon it. Considering Kirei was also viewing the Grail's ilussion, they might have chosen the more interesting road of giving both of them a shot at a wish. But well, things like this can happen with different authors.Well there is a big difference from Kirei actually making the wish and the grail doing something it was never directly asked to do(plus it was more or less what the grail would do anyway). |
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ssjokg said: http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856834 It looks like "I will be back" lol It's actually a reference to the infamous Terminator scene. Here is the same art with translation: http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1194621/1girl-o-child-comic-covering_mouth-crest_worm-empt ssjokg said: http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856304 bad ending? Truth to be told I find way too much enjoyment in the fanarts which destroy the scenes with Kiritsugu from Shirou's past. I'm thankful to whoever made this, since it goes nicely with that one art I found some time ago where Kirei wrecks havock during Kiritsugu's death scene. Gah, I really hated these retrospections in the game. |
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Leon-Gun said: ssjokg said: True, but then this is at least partly due to Gen taking a bit too much creative license in a part that the original novel repeated over and over. One thing is to change the part about the amount of times Kiri and Saber talked (from it being literally 3 times to him "ordering her" with the Command Spell 3 times) and another is to change the main villain's established backstory, one stated several times, and retcon it. Considering Kirei was also viewing the Grail's ilussion, they might have chosen the more interesting road of giving both of them a shot at a wish. But well, things like this can happen with different authors.Well there is a big difference from Kirei actually making the wish and the grail doing something it was never directly asked to do(plus it was more or less what the grail would do anyway). If I remember correctly in FSN Saber doesnt seem to recognize Ilya or at least she doesnt give info about her to Shirou for probably obvious reasons.If you count the times he spoke to her directly,face to face they are 3:once after Kayneth's death and 2 for the last command spells.Kirei isnt so different form FSN .Even in HF when fighting Shirou he says that the last time didnt bring him entertainment,which must be a reference to his fight with Kiritsugu,considering what he expected of this fight.And what Kirei says in FSN is true in according to Gen's story.Kirei's wish was granted.What I am saying is that he didnt (directly)make the wish Kurogashi said: http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=857169 who's that green haired girl beside gil? CC v2? it's a guy.Enkidu.Gil's only companion in past and future Kurogashi said: http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856819 who's that beside kirei? His dead wife |
BloodRequiem said: Btw these are obligatory ;_;  Thank you. ;_; |
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ssjokg said: Kurogashi said: http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=857169 who's that green haired girl beside gil? CC v2? it's a guy.Enkidu.Gil's only companion in past and future I thought Enkidu is his chains. Lolwut? What day/time does Gilgamesh bind Hercules with Enkidu? |
KurogashiJun 26, 2012 1:20 PM
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Kurogashi said: ssjokg said: Kurogashi said: http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=857169 who's that green haired girl beside gil? CC v2? it's a guy.Enkidu.Gil's only companion in past and future I thought Enkidu is his chains. Lolwut? The chain is named after him. http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Lancer_(Fate/strange_fake) From Gil's page at Wikia: Kurogashi said: What day/time does Gilgamesh bind Hercules with Enkidu? |
ssjokgJun 26, 2012 1:27 PM
ssjokg said: Leon-Gun said: ssjokg said: True, but then this is at least partly due to Gen taking a bit too much creative license in a part that the original novel repeated over and over. One thing is to change the part about the amount of times Kiri and Saber talked (from it being literally 3 times to him "ordering her" with the Command Spell 3 times) and another is to change the main villain's established backstory, one stated several times, and retcon it. Considering Kirei was also viewing the Grail's ilussion, they might have chosen the more interesting road of giving both of them a shot at a wish. But well, things like this can happen with different authors.Well there is a big difference from Kirei actually making the wish and the grail doing something it was never directly asked to do(plus it was more or less what the grail would do anyway). If I remember correctly in FSN Saber doesnt seem to recognize Ilya or at least she doesnt give info about her to Shirou for probably obvious reasons.If you count the times he spoke to her directly,face to face they are 3:once after Kayneth's death and 2 for the last command spells.Kirei isnt so different form FSN .Even in HF when fighting Shirou he says that the last time didnt bring him entertainment,which must be a reference to his fight with Kiritsugu,considering what he expected of this fight.And what Kirei says in FSN is true in according to Gen's story.Kirei's wish was granted.What I am saying is that he didnt (directly)make the wish Kurogashi said: http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=857169 who's that green haired girl beside gil? CC v2? it's a guy.Enkidu.Gil's only companion in past and future Kurogashi said: http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=856819 who's that beside kirei? His dead wife heh heh heh Btw is GreEnkidu and Strange Fake even canon? For all we know he could look like something else. |
BloodRequiemJun 26, 2012 1:36 PM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: Well there is a big differ heh heh heh Btw is GreEnkidu and Strange Fake even canon? For all we know he could look like something else. lol last time our comments were deleted. well it's the only thing we have.I personally hope that it will be completely published |
| Wow Berserker is pretty beast. So, I guess Gil is the strongest... What about Archer (Emiya) vs Gil? Strange Fake (from that link) is fan made, but apparently 'approved' -- whatever that means, lol. |
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Kurogashi said: Wow Berserker is pretty beast. So, I guess Gil is the strongest... What about Archer (Emiya) vs Gil? Strange Fake (from that link) is fan made, but apparently 'approved' -- whatever that means, lol. Yeh Hercules is a beast. The UBW movie made him look like shit that went down in a snap. EMIYA vs Gil depends if Gil goes full retard and lets EMIYA get that RM up. If its F/Z Gil or HF Gil we are talking about then EMIYA has no chance. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Kurogashi said: Wow Berserker is pretty beast. So, I guess Gil is the strongest... What about Archer (Emiya) vs Gil? Strange Fake (from that link) is fan made, but apparently 'approved' -- whatever that means, lol. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=435277 here you will find some answers,although most are speculations. At least it looks more canon than Fate/extra |
| Enkidu design was also used in the Sensha Otoko parody by Type Moon, so I think it can be considered canon. |
TrenerkaJun 26, 2012 2:11 PM
Trenerka said: Enkidu design was also used in the Seishun Otoko parody by Type Moon, so I think it can be considered canon. is it fully translated?I found it in some sites like danbooru but i think it was only partially translated |
ssjokg said: Trenerka said: Enkidu design was also used in the Sensha Otoko parody by Type Moon, so I think it can be considered canon. is it fully translated?I found it in some sites like danbooru but i think it was only partially translated I honestly don't know. I only have a general idea from wiki and fanarts what it's about. And I'm not sure I want to know details since I was never too enthusiastic about the idea of Rider and Waver as a pairing, even if one of them got genderbent. I just can't see them as one. But I haven't heard anything about it actually being written, I always assumed that they just outlined the idea and left it for fandom. The only solid thing I found were those two links: http://tatari.byethost33.com/tmfools/09/sensya/intro.htm (third option on the right leads to character section and we can see girl!Enkidu there) http://www.ufotable.com/tankman/ticket.html |
TrenerkaJun 26, 2012 2:47 PM
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Kurogashi said: BloodRequiem said: Btw these are obligatory ;_; Thank you. ;_; That pic is <3 |
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ssjokg said: If I remember correctly in FSN Saber doesnt seem to recognize Ilya or at least she doesnt give info about her to Shirou for probably obvious reasons. Well, there's this @1:21. ;_; |
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stAtic91 said: ssjokg said: If I remember correctly in FSN Saber doesnt seem to recognize Ilya or at least she doesnt give info about her to Shirou for probably obvious reasons. Well, there's this @1:21. ;_; oh that scene actually makes sense after seeing/reading FZ. |
| I will not go for a long post although this anime well deserved that, because everything was said yet. A perfect blend of fantasy, philosophy, action, thriller and drama. All that with mindblowing animation and great voice acting. 10/10 like a planet |
| My only problem was there was no big fight between Gil and Saber. I gave it a 9/10, great series and tied into Fate Stay Night pretty well. I guess i'll watch that again now. |
Tanta said: My only problem was there was no big fight between Gil and Saber. I gave it a 9/10, great series and tied into Fate Stay Night pretty well. I guess i'll watch that again now. FZ Gil vs Saber as she was after her fight with Lancelot would be even shorter than Gil vs Rider.And not spectacular at all unless you enjoy watching Saber being trashed. |
ssjokg said: I see, well then people's misconception are bitchy sometimes is all I can think in response.Yumekichi11 said: Actually people think now the Creator of this has this weird mentality that he loves to make characters suffer. I was like really WTF and O_O at Saber's last face. DAMN! You EVIL CREATOR! You made Saber suffer at the end like that despite you could have done just something else. I shall leave it at that. Well Gen just add some details in what Nasu had created.And in FSN all ill fated characters(Ilya,Sakura,Saber,Shirou even Rider)reach a happy ending in some routes.And the villains actually pay for the shit they have done so I dont think he is that evil. |
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| Going to go download the epic opening song, To the Beginning. |
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_Yasuda_ said: Going to go download the epic opening song, To the Beginning. Hah, I was just playing it on osu!. |
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| Facebook is quite useful these days |
ssjokg said: Facebook is quite useful these days The last 20 seconds are the best. I almost cried. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
jpem said: ssjokg said: Facebook is quite useful these days Awesome, shame on me for skipping endings. I am pretty sure it's fanmade. |
ssjokg said: loub31 said: About Gil... maybe it's a coincidence but for Kirei it's not ,the grail granted Kirie wish ; and this is from Wikia : "In Kirei's last moments, the Holy Grail appeared to him; filled with hatred and envy for Kiritsugu, Kirei reached out and touched the cursed artifact. He prayed for an end to humanity; his wish was granted in the form of fire. " I have to question the credibility of that , especially "the last moments "after being shot to the heart.If this is from character material or it was mentioned in FSN but I forgot,then it was his subconscious since he had no idea what happened when he woke up.Like Kiritsugu's true wish was to be with Iri and Ilya but he never realized it.And remember that in wiki everyone writes whatever he wants....Like Shirley being killedby Kerry. I wonder how Gil find out that the fire was the wish of Kirie and why Kirie just believed him and convinced about this idea !! For me I find a contradiction between fate zero and FSN in FST kerei said that KIritsugu let him alive and didnt kill him but in Fate zero Kiritsugu didnt show any mercy toward Kirie and he just killed him |
loub31 said: I wonder how Gil find out that the fire was the wish of Kirie and why Kirie just believed him and convinced about this idea !! For me I find a contradiction between fate zero and FSN in FST kerei said that KIritsugu let him alive and didnt kill him but in Fate zero Kiritsugu didnt show any mercy toward Kirie and he just killed him Geez, it was already explained. Gilgamesh realised that Kirei was a closeted evil person after five minutes of their first conversation and ever since he did everything to drag Kirei out of that closet. He told Kirei it was his wish to force him to finally confront the truth - the fact that Kirei was really and truly happy seeing the destruction and suffering caused by Grail. Kirei simply felt as if his wish was truly granted, it was the happiest moment of his life to date. And by Kiritsugu sparring him, he meant that moment after the final conversation with Gilgamesh, when they see each other and Kiritsugu ignores him (Kirei had no way of knowing that at that time Avalons power was disappearing and Kiritsugu's attack would be suicidal, since he wouldn't have his healing factor; from Kirei's perspective Kiritsugu had advantegous situation at that time and didn't use it to finish him of). |
loub31 said: ssjokg said: loub31 said: About Gil... maybe it's a coincidence but for Kirei it's not ,the grail granted Kirie wish ; and this is from Wikia : "In Kirei's last moments, the Holy Grail appeared to him; filled with hatred and envy for Kiritsugu, Kirei reached out and touched the cursed artifact. He prayed for an end to humanity; his wish was granted in the form of fire. " I have to question the credibility of that , especially "the last moments "after being shot to the heart.If this is from character material or it was mentioned in FSN but I forgot,then it was his subconscious since he had no idea what happened when he woke up.Like Kiritsugu's true wish was to be with Iri and Ilya but he never realized it.And remember that in wiki everyone writes whatever he wants....Like Shirley being killedby Kerry. I wonder how Gil find out that the fire was the wish of Kirie and why Kirie just believed him and convinced about this idea !! For me I find a contradiction between fate zero and FSN in FST kerei said that KIritsugu let him alive and didnt kill him but in Fate zero Kiritsugu didnt show any mercy toward Kirie and he just killed him Right because" people die when they are killed" obviously works in Fate.Do you believe that Kirei would tell everyone that the grail revived him?Might as well show them Gil AND reveal the command seals he stole from Bazett .Kirei doesnt have a real heart in all of FSN. It doesnt matter if the fire was a result of the wish or not.Gil knew what Kirei wanted all along.Kirei really enjoyed it and has no reason to not believe Gilgamesh. Trenerka said: And by Kiritsugu sparring him, he meant that moment after the final conversation with Gilgamesh, when they see each other and Kiritsugu ignores him (Kirei had no way of knowing that at that time Avalons power was disappearing and Kiritsugu's attack would be suicidal, since he wouldn't have his healing factor; from Kirei's perspective Kiritsugu had advantegous situation at that time and didn't use it to finish him of). he mentioned that in FSN?If yes I have to play the VN again.I keep forgetting stuff |
ssjokgJun 27, 2012 4:39 PM
ssjokg said: Trenerka said: And by Kiritsugu sparring him, he meant that moment after the final conversation with Gilgamesh, when they see each other and Kiritsugu ignores him (Kirei had no way of knowing that at that time Avalons power was disappearing and Kiritsugu's attack would be suicidal, since he wouldn't have his healing factor; from Kirei's perspective Kiritsugu had advantegous situation at that time and didn't use it to finish him of). he mentioned that in FSN?If yes I have to play the VN again.I keep forgetting stuff No. I must admit I haven't played HF yet (I will need to clear it, since I finally have free time), but I found it logical, since Stay Night established that he was killed at the end of Zero. Therefore there must have been another opportunity at which he was sparred and this scene fits it really well if you think about it. Kirei doesn't have viewers knowledge and could wrongly interpret it as being sparred, since he doesn't know anything about Avalon. |
TrenerkaJun 27, 2012 4:55 PM
Trenerka said: ssjokg said: Trenerka said: And by Kiritsugu sparring him, he meant that moment after the final conversation with Gilgamesh, when they see each other and Kiritsugu ignores him (Kirei had no way of knowing that at that time Avalons power was disappearing and Kiritsugu's attack would be suicidal, since he wouldn't have his healing factor; from Kirei's perspective Kiritsugu had advantegous situation at that time and didn't use it to finish him of). he mentioned that in FSN?If yes I have to play the VN again.I keep forgetting stuff No. I must admit I haven't played HF yet (I will need to clear it, since I finally have free time), but I found it logical, since Stay Night already established that he was killed at the end of Zero. Therefore there must have been another opportunity at which he was sparred and this scene fits it really well if you think about it. Kirei doesn't have viewers knowledge and could wrongly interpret it as being sparred, since he doesn't know anything about Avalon. Well it's not like he never lied to Shirou and the rest.He could also have figured out that Kerry wasnt his former self anymore when he left.Telling a lie to the adopted son of his old enemy seems like a very Kirei-thing to do. |
ssjokg said: Trenerka said: ssjokg said: Trenerka said: And by Kiritsugu sparring him, he meant that moment after the final conversation with Gilgamesh, when they see each other and Kiritsugu ignores him (Kirei had no way of knowing that at that time Avalons power was disappearing and Kiritsugu's attack would be suicidal, since he wouldn't have his healing factor; from Kirei's perspective Kiritsugu had advantegous situation at that time and didn't use it to finish him of). he mentioned that in FSN?If yes I have to play the VN again.I keep forgetting stuff No. I must admit I haven't played HF yet (I will need to clear it, since I finally have free time), but I found it logical, since Stay Night already established that he was killed at the end of Zero. Therefore there must have been another opportunity at which he was sparred and this scene fits it really well if you think about it. Kirei doesn't have viewers knowledge and could wrongly interpret it as being sparred, since he doesn't know anything about Avalon. Well it's not like he never lied to Shirou and the rest.He could also have figured out that Kerry wasnt his former self anymore when he left.Telling a lie to the adopted son of his old enemy seems like a very Kirei-thing to do. Even if he was emotionally broken it doesn't change the fact that from Kirei's point of view at that moment he wasted a perfect chance to finish him off. Kirei was still badly hurt from the fight, had no black keys and Gilgamesh didn't probably have enough mana after being incarnated to use GoB. Meanwhile, Kiritsugu supposedly still possessed unknow healing factor that healed even the most lethal wounds and thanks to that was physically unharmed. It was the best chance he would ever get to finish Kirei off, but instead he ignores him. So I find it plausible that Kirei interpreted "not using the chance when I was the weakest to kill me" as "I was sparred". Then again, Kirei should have realized later that Kiritsugu couldn't have killed him, since he didn't have any magical means.... unless he somehow learned about contenders, but we don't know if they would work on his heart... Damn, trying to connect prequel with sequel with multiply routes is confusing. |
Trenerka said: Damn, trying to connect prequel with sequel with multiply routes is confusing. that's the magic of multi routes stories of Typemoon. Especially Fate since it has a prequel.Now imagine FZ having multiple routes that still lead to the beginning of FSN... |
ssjokg said: Trenerka said: Damn, trying to connect prequel with sequel with multiply routes is confusing. that's the magic of multi routes stories of Typemoon. Especially Fate since it has a prequel.Now imagine FZ having multiple routes that still lead to the beginning of FSN... Indeed, magic. Magic of the universe being screwed about 80% of the time, while people still feel happy about the five positive ends without taking notice of how rare they actually are. If that isn't magic, I don't know what is. While I always wanted to see just how bad would it be for universe if Saber actually managed to make her wish on Grail... Why, oh why, are most of the bad ends so short? |
Trenerka said: ssjokg said: Trenerka said: Damn, trying to connect prequel with sequel with multiply routes is confusing. that's the magic of multi routes stories of Typemoon. Especially Fate since it has a prequel.Now imagine FZ having multiple routes that still lead to the beginning of FSN... Indeed, magic. Magic of the universe being screwed about 80% of the time, while people still feel happy about the five positive ends without taking notice of how rare they actually are. If that isn't magic, I don't know what is. While I always wanted to see just how bad would it be for universe if Saber actually managed to make her wish on Grail... Why, oh why, are most of the bad ends so short? Not rare at all if you use a walkthrough.XDXDXD Instead of bad ends being long or even exist I would prefer an Ilya route. Well Tsukihime remake is already planned.Why not make a FSN remake too. |
| BTW yeah, I don't think Gilgamesh had much power at all after being stripped of his spiritual body. The fact Kirei used altternate methods to power up his NP's for the 5th War is proof enough. |
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Leon-Gun said: BTW yeah, I don't think Gilgamesh had much power at all after being stripped of his spiritual body. The fact Kirei used altternate methods to power up his NP's for the 5th War is proof enough. Remember he also had Lancer as Servant in the 5th War. |
Thess said: True although that doesn't accounts for the years in between, or the fact Lancer was very mana efficient.Leon-Gun said: BTW yeah, I don't think Gilgamesh had much power at all after being stripped of his spiritual body. The fact Kirei used altternate methods to power up his NP's for the 5th War is proof enough. Remember he also had Lancer as Servant in the 5th War. |
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| By the way, why Gilgamesh look too young on his face in FSN ? |
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