| Is it possible the aunt is a future self of Makoto? The aunt somehow knows about time leaping and isn't surprised to hear Makoto can do it. Makoto promises she will ensure the painting is there in the future for Chiaki to see. The aunt is dedicated to restoring that painting. They look alike. http://animewriter.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/makoto-aunt.jpg Makoto seems to trust the aunt (or feels comfortable around) over her own father and mother. The only unknown thing is how the aunt went back in time to arrive at the time of her younger self. Although it is very possible time leaping was invented before she found Chiaki in the future and used the new invention to return back to the current time of the movie. |
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| I have never thought about that, but after have red your post and pondered awhile I think you're right. Instead of waiting for Chiaki she could travel back to the time she new Chiaki was going to visit to see him again. It wouldn't suprise me if there was something like that behind it. |
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| Actually Makoto's aunt was the main character in the book and in the original movie (live action - 1983), so she gained the same abilitly before. |
gabrieltOct 4, 2008 7:32 PM
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| Really? That chars name was Kazuko. The aunt was called Majo. |
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Zenoxio said: Really? That chars name was Kazuko. The aunt was called Majo. True. I read what gabrielt said on Wikipedia |
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| Wikipedia is not a reliable original source. |
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| That means Makoto's mother is her sister? O.o Cos if she's the aunt then the sister of the aunt is Makoto's sister. Am i making sense? O.o |
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| It's implied that The aunt is the protagonist from the original 1965 novel. Majo can translate as Witch and is moste likely a nickname since she's called "Auntie Witch" in the Dub |
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| i was thinking this too while watching the movie. they do look alike and there's something very mysterious about the aunt. i'll have to see the movie again and look closely for any clues. i dont remember seeing any blatent clues about this |
Zenoxio said: Wikipedia is not a reliable original source. Don't make a big deal about Wikipedia when it comes to stuff like this; its a character's name in a book. Its not the history of American progressives during the later end of the 18th century. Wikipedia also sourced the ISBN and a French copy of the book, which has the character's name as Kasuko (French don't like z's or something?) |
Pandaman0529Dec 28, 2008 10:47 AM
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| ah , there was this same discussion of makoto being her aunt in manga fox xD but why does everyone thinks so >.<? , I mean, it's almost obvious that she's not makoto .......though you COULD get confused with the manga because it showed kazuko's time leaping thing , but in the anime they weren't almost any hints of her with the power of time leaping (I mean, she even made an scepticall joke about time leaping) |
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| so the aunt is Makato's future? O_o i dun get it lol |
| LET JUSTICE BE DONE; THOUGH THE HEAVENS MAY FALL |
| Yup. That's very true in what Raven_Shinobi said. For all we know this could go on longer and would make its own paradox of some sort. Still loved the movie though! :D |
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| it's just reference from the original story if i'm not wrong... |
 Are you the bloody applause monkey? Keep your sh*t comments to yourself or go troll on 4chan. |
| This possibility sounds weird and messed up at first I think its a possibility.. Like perhaps the first time she started leaping she didn't have her aunt there for advice? And so as time went on she decided to go back in time to before she was born and be her own advice giver as well as restore the painting for Chiaki. Seems whacky to believe its just a coincidence that she believes her niece so easily even if she did have the ability herself before. Kinda sounds like a wicked paradox though but eh. Just my opinion and something I though up. This anime got me thinking a lot and I loved it. Though I guess nothing will be confirmed 100% ever, or at least not for along time. Another one of these movies would be neat though. |
| wow. a great thought. it could be possible that makoto is her aunt, but i really want to believe that unlike her aunt, makoto manages to come to her love through the time. =) |
| I really thought that Makoto is her aunt, isn't that the secret form the end? She will become the same as the aunt to protect the artwork so that it willn't burn down. But it's true that there can't be two Makoto's at the same time, and how did she became that old without time leaping, didn't she lose all her "time leaping numbers" at the end. |
| I think Chiaki time traveled long before when Makoto's aunt was in middle/high school and he later left and time traveled to Makoto's present. May be he is the guy Makoto's aunt was waiting for. |
Are you the bloody applause monkey? Keep your sh*t comments to yourself or go troll on 4chan. |
| i have two theories............... 1.in the picture the girl with long hair could be makato's little sister and Auntie is makato's little siter. 2.Auntie witch is Makato from the future but they call her aunt since she a cloose family friend and she came back to keep her promise to chiaki and keep the painting safe(also was the painting they showed in the movie the painting everyone wants to see?)and to see it herself ANDpainting resturection(sorry 4 the spelling)was the job makato decided to take All in All the last 20 mins completly confused me  Also if the future chiaki lived in was so bad why didn't they go back in time to stop whatever made it so bad from happening? |
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naikoworld said: ah , there was this same discussion of makoto being her aunt in manga fox xD but why does everyone thinks so >.<? , I mean, it's almost obvious that she's not makoto .......though you COULD get confused with the manga because it showed kazuko's time leaping thing , but in the anime they weren't almost any hints of her with the power of time leaping (I mean, she even made an scepticall joke about time leaping) She actually admited that she has time leaped before. At about 1:16:00 into the movie the aunt talks about her past. It even shows a picture of her. She says that the boy she liked said that he will come back to her (possible time leap). I was thinking that they could be the same person, but with this it disproves it. This is almost definitely a reference to the original story as others have said. I have not read the book, so I can not 100% confirm this. |
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melody423 said: i have two theories............... 1.in the picture the girl with long hair could be makato's little sister and Auntie is makato's little siter. 2.Auntie witch is Makato from the future but they call her aunt since she a cloose family friend and she came back to keep her promise to chiaki and keep the painting safe(also was the painting they showed in the movie the painting everyone wants to see?)and to see it herself ANDpainting resturection(sorry 4 the spelling)was the job makato decided to take All in All the last 20 mins completly confused me Also if the future chiaki lived in was so bad why didn't they go back in time to stop whatever made it so bad from happening? I don't recall chiaki saying that the future was bad, just that he wanted to see the painting. I am sure that there are a lot of rules and restrictions about time leaping as well. |
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| Definitely got this feeling about halfway through. Reasons: 1.) Aunt's discussion about her experience with time leaping. The reasons she gave for her time leaping sounded almost exactly the same (or were the same? have to watch that scene again) as the ones that Makoto used for leaping - at least in the beginning. And she claimed that "a lot of girls can do it" or all girls something like that. That can't possibly be true, you'd think Makoto would've encountered someone else like that before (apart from Auntie) 2.) Are we ever really given proof that Auntie Witch IS Makoto's aunt? Once again, I'll have to rewatch some scenes and maybe i should read more of this thread, but it's possible that Makoto calls her "Auntie", or oba-san/chan as a term of endearment for a close elder. So then if they aren't related, then that issue is cleared up and it's even more plausible. 3.) She's restoring the same exact painting that Chiaki leaped back specifically to find. And Makoto, the girl who really didn't know what she was going to do as a career, promised Chiaki (and given her love for him, I think she'd follow through) she'd keep the piece from being destroyed. So maybe the aunt is Makoto, who [I hope] lived through to Chiaki's time and attempted to keep her word by working on the restoration. (But of course teen Makoto and her time leaping screwed it all up... Maybe that gave future Makoto more reason to use the time leaping technology to go back and help Chiaki out) But then again, apparently the original novel's protagonist was another young woman, and as many are saying, this woman is most likely just her, grown up, so... That's a lot more realistic. But isn't it such a coincidence that this aunt is working really hard to restore this one special painting that Chiaki time leapt just to see? I dunno. @__@ And I can already disprove my theory with many factors I've already thought of, such as that young Auntie seen in the photo looks nothing like Makoto, and then the matter of Auntie's name... But *passes out* Oh god I'm tired and confused. So many factors that could work against or toward or against -and- toward this theory. I'll think more about this later... maybe not on the same day as midterms. @_@ |
| Sorry to disappoint yall, but Makoto isn't her own aunt - the movie was a sequel to (and heavily based on) a book written in the 60s, also called "Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo." The aunt in the movie was the protagonist of the book. Her name is Yoshiyama Kazuko. It's not really that complicated - Makoto's aunt met another time traveler when she was a girl, so she has some experience with time leaping. When she heard Makoto talk about her leaping, she teased Makoto about it ("Where did my precious Sunday go?") but gave her some serious advice afterward. As for near the end, when she promises Chiaki she'd keep the painting safe, it isn't a nod toward time travel, but rather one simply towards Makoto's future life. Near the start of the movie Kousuke asks her what she intends to do with her life (they're both third year students, remember) but she responds insincerely due to her being indecisive. After Chiaki goes back to the future she's asked again, but this time she says "it's a secret" because she knows what she wants to do - be an art restorer, and preserve that painting for as long as she can. |
DarkMorpher said: I think Chiaki time traveled long before when Makoto's aunt was in middle/high school and he later left and time traveled to Makoto's present. May be he is the guy Makoto's aunt was waiting for. After watching this movie and the liveaction movie sequel, I actually think the same. Firstly because we never got to know: - Why Chiaki wanted to see Makoto´s aunt painting so badly? - Why Kazuo, in the aunt´s picture looks so similar to Chiaki? I didnt read the prequel but I watched the sequel, so here´s my thoughts. In the sequel (which there is a manga too), the protagonist is the daughter of Kazuko, which means she is Makoto´s cousin, and she travels to meet her mother´s beloved, Kazuo. He is a time traveller, and by the time he was erasing Kazuko´s memories, he promised to her he would return to see her again BUT NOT as the same person she knew. (Aka, hinting that he would come with another name or age). She told him that even if her mind forgot, her heart would remember that promise. So it really makes me think that if Kazuo is not Chiaki, then at least must surely be someone blood related to him. |
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Raven_Shinobi said: How have you been, Orulyon? It's been a long time since we chatted on the forums, since the Penguindrum days XD In regards to the Makoto=Majou theory, here's another problem: -Majou didn't paint the painting, she just restored it, so I doubt in whatever reference Chiaki checked it will be mentioned by whom it was restored. -When Chiaki talked about the painting, he only showed interest in the time period/theme/circumstances in which the painting was drawn and what it depicted. Not in whom it was painted or restored by. -If Majou was indeed someone dear from Chiaki's past, wouldn't he have shown any desire in meeting her? On the contrary, there was no scene of them talking to each other or about each other to Makoto. There was not even a scene of them saying goodbye to each other towards the end. The theory about Chiaki being related to the time traveller from the prequel is interesting, though. Hey Raven!Glad to see you again;D Well now that you mention it i guess you´re right (ive watched this movie years ago, but came to this thread because i recently watched the live action sequel, lol). All you said makes perfect sense. Still, Im almost sure Chiaki is really related to Kazuo since their physical resemblence is very similar and plus, even though might seem random but the manga of this movie made stay even more confuse: It starts with Makoto having a dream about going to the lab and she accidentally sees her "aunt" and Kazuo, and thinks "I have to go...to the future" (and this was before she time leaped for the first time, this to me suggests several time paradoxes), also in the same scene, she hears their promise that Kazuo will come back. She sees Kazuo disappearing/she doesnt see his face though) and her own young aunt fainting (we know that is the scene that Kazuo erased her memories and went back to the somewhere else) and she wonders while looking at the girl "Is this girl...me?". After that when Makoto next day goes to the lab, then she finds Chiaki´s device and all starts. I dont think Majo is Makoto, but it is incredible how Majo has a more active role in the manga and her quotes always seem to hint something. She told to Makoto "your feelings will change" regarding to Makoto´s feelings of friendship for Chiaki which would soon turn in to love. She seemed sure about it. Also in the manga while restoring the painting, Makoto´s aunt says "It wont be long now...soon ill be able to see you". Then at the end she says to Makoto that the reason why she became a painting restorer was to " her feelings to convey a message to the future" since she had to part from someone very important to her" and quoting her words "If i took up this job, even if we never see each other again, I´d be able to tell him...dont worry im fine, dont worry about me" at the very end she appears looking at her restored painting and she has a number in her arm which is revealed to be a timeleap she kept since young. Now we know that Chiaki desperately wanted to see the painting because according to his words" we would be able to live on", could it be that Chiaki came from a time where there was a war or something? anyway *goes in to super huge rant mode filled with crazy theories*: Makoto says to Chiaki in the manga "If i throw myself in to doing something for you, will your future take a bettern turn? Then ill work really hard, i dunno what i have to do yet but ill put in every last bit of my effort in it so that i can deliver this world in your hands". -----wait...isnt this what her aunt was doing with the painting (aka "this world")? XD I cant help but understanding why so many people think Majo is Makoto and Chiaki, is Kazuo. Its reallyyyy confusing. And then Chiaki´s epic words "Ill wait for you in the future". AKA "ill wait for your future self". Also i heard in the book is mentioned that Kazuo had the power not justo to time travel, or erase memories but to create fake memories as well. All time travellers have that, it seems. Chiaki unlike Kazuo who erased Kazuko´s memories, chooses to say instead before he disappears "dont forget me". Which somehow can be taken as a hint, if we consider that Chiaki already knew a similar situation (aka, he might knew about Kazuko x Kazuo). I have so many questions...I mean... Majo obviously had the power to timeleap, but she choose to stay in her time...right? Also weird that she touched Makoto´s arm and pufff, a timeleap appeared in her arm right before the ending. Also this, Chiaki´s speech is clearly confusing. What reaction is that? what did he mean by that? Which always makes me assume that if Chiaki is not Kazuo, then he is strongly related to him. Darn what a huge speech. sorry. Anyway, my conclusion: I dont have any idea if Kazuko is Makoto or if Kazuo is Chiaki, or if just simply the last, OR the most probable one: Chiaki is related to Kazuo. |
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Paladin65536 said: Sorry to disappoint yall, but Makoto isn't her own aunt - the movie was a sequel to (and heavily based on) a book written in the 60s, also called "Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo." The aunt in the movie was the protagonist of the book. Her name is Yoshiyama Kazuko. It's not really that complicated - Makoto's aunt met another time traveler when she was a girl, so she has some experience with time leaping. When she heard Makoto talk about her leaping, she teased Makoto about it ("Where did my precious Sunday go?") but gave her some serious advice afterward. As for near the end, when she promises Chiaki she'd keep the painting safe, it isn't a nod toward time travel, but rather one simply towards Makoto's future life. Near the start of the movie Kousuke asks her what she intends to do with her life (they're both third year students, remember) but she responds insincerely due to her being indecisive. After Chiaki goes back to the future she's asked again, but this time she says "it's a secret" because she knows what she wants to do - be an art restorer, and preserve that painting for as long as she can. ^^^ This. I agree and understand this. Thank you. |
| dont think so ;( |
| I don't think the aunt can be Makoto because how can one person be born again without dying. Number 2, when she said she was waiting for someone it panned to a picture of the aunt when she was in highschool or whatever and Chiaki wasn't in the picture. Also the aunt said that Makoto was different from herself because Makoto would rush out and go see someone who was late for a meeting. If they were the same person she would've done the same. What I think is that the aunt had someone like Chiaki come from the future to see the painting, but they couldn't because they accidentally traveled to the wrong time period and then he had to go back to his own time. But since the aunt liked him she promised to restore the painting. That's also how the aunt knew about time travelling. |
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| I have the book by Yasutaka Tsutsui and have finished it before I re-watched The Girl Who Leapt Through Time. I will make a solid point. Makoto is NOT her aunt. Makoto is very much different than her aunt and to make this clear, the anime version is just a sequel to the book itself. According to the book, Kazuko has guy friends namely: Kazuo Fukamachi and Goro Asakura. In the very first page of the book, it said, "As the tall and lanky Kazuo left the room with the short and stocky Goro, Kazuko had to stop herself from letting out a chuckle at the contrast between her two friends." Now as you can see in the later part of the anime version where the aunt tells her story to Makoto, we get a glimpse of her old school photo: Which clearly imposes them as Kazuo and Goro, being which Kazuo was the time leaper. He promised Kazuko he will return. To quote what he said from the book: "I will come back to see you, Kazuko," he said, rapidly fading. "Not as Kazuo Fukamachi, but as someone completely new to you." This being said resembles what Makoto's aunt said in the anime. Nobody knows if it was Kazuo as Chiaki or Chiaki is a different person per se, but to clarify everything, Makoto is NOT her aunt, who is Kazuko. :) |
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Zealot said: True there can't be two of the same person in one time so it kills this theory. your all missing the fact that when she goes back in time, she takes over the body of the past mokoto. In other words, there cant be 2 mokotos at the same time. ... Plus the aunt did (possibly) "joke" that a lot of people that age time leap. ... Although that really was a joke. ... What if she's Makoto's daughter? Kidding, haha. Man these theories!? Who the fuck knows. I wanna know from the author damn it! |
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