| I mean one big question is.... I can undestand why Shu became blind - which is because Inori was blind - I think it is related to that but the big question in my head is... Was Shu collecting all the void or returning all the void? Because for one thing, if he is collecting all the void, then if he dies all the people will die as well, but Yahiro wouldn't be able to sense his presence about being the savior . If he is returning all the void, which explains Yahiro and the other girl feeling his presence, then it contradicts his line saying that "I can feel everyone's hearts". What do you guys think? PS I want opinion, not some spam saying THIS SHOW SUCKS etc... |
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| I think that maybe he did both? I remember Shu saying that he can choose to keep the cancer if he wanted. So I assume that he took everyone's cancer and gave them their voids/hearts back. |
| He was collecting all the voids since we saw Daryl's void being flown toward Shu. Voids were a result of the Apocalyptic Virus. No Virus , then no voids. They probably sensed something like some sort of weight being let off their shoulders due to their voids disappearing which in turn led Yahiro to believe Shu's absorbing the all the Apocalyptic Crystals and Voids. |
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| You guys see what Inori handed Shu right? Besides a cats cradle its also the red string of fate. Basically Inori traded fates with Shu. |
Omegadark said: You guys see what Inori handed Shu right? Besides a cats cradle its also the red string of fate. Basically Inori traded fates with Shu. Considering she probably cannot tie her shoes, it's quite the miracle for her to weave pretty cat's cradle. |
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Confucius said: Omegadark said: You guys see what Inori handed Shu right? Besides a cats cradle its also the red string of fate. Basically Inori traded fates with Shu. Considering she probably cannot tie her shoes, it's quite the miracle for her to weave pretty cat's cradle. wtf u talkin about |
Trav644 said: Omegadark said: Confucius said: Omegadark said: You guys see what Inori handed Shu right? Besides a cats cradle its also the red string of fate. Basically Inori traded fates with Shu. Considering she probably cannot tie her shoes, it's quite the miracle for her to weave pretty cat's cradle. wtf u talkin about She has the IQ of a shovel. and you are basing this on........? |
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| Well my theory is similar to others. Shu was taking all the voids as well as the virus and taking it all inro himself. This way no virus and no voids. Inori then takes all that with her and dies but allows shu to live. I'm not really sure on on the details, this is just my assumption. If anyone can explain it to me better feel free. |
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| My understanding of ending > I think Inori was beyond help due to Shu arriving late in stopping her body being consumed by Mana and Shu though "I'm gonna cure all and gonna be with her forever (lovers suicide) while Inori played sort of trick on Shu and with her last remaining strength she cured him as much as she could have. As for taking all "voids" He already did something like that with his friend taking his crystals with his void but he was able give him his void back alone. Thus he did something similar in mass scale using that Eva's power and combo with his void and King's power to take only "bad things"( crystals and side effects of voids ) from others leaving their hearths intact. Question is how did this whole void thing work in first place > Did something happened to everyone making them to be able to have voids drawn or it was possible without altering humans in process based on that Shu might have ether fixed them back or altered them so that their voids could have never been drawn out of them again and he might have also made them immune to that crystallizations as bonus. |
greenmartyApr 26, 2012 4:55 PM
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| i feel like this was just poor writing on their part |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I think as Shu was taking in everyone's virus, Inori was trading places with Shu. Inori became blind because of her body being destroyed by Mana. Inori then gave Shu what she had left of her body so that he could live. That trading of what she had left made him blind. The whole scene where Inori gave Shu the "Guilty Crown" was the exchange of their current positions. This is only what I understood out of it. |
Jpark said: I think as Shu was taking in everyone's virus, Inori was trading places with Shu. Inori became blind because of her body being destroyed by Mana. Inori then gave Shu what she had left of her body so that he could live. That trading of what she had left made him blind. The whole scene where Inori gave Shu the "Guilty Crown" was the exchange of their current positions. This is only what I understood out of it. That makes better sense to me. |
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| hmm and what about Daryl they didn't shown him at the end |
JeffreyZin said: doroszka22 said: hmm and what about Daryl they didn't shown him at the end That's exactly what I want to know. Even Arisa Kuhouin. She should be dead after she got shot by UN soldiers. She was shown at the end after the tower fell down during the scene when everyone was watching the tower collapse. some girl was holding her and you can see that she was probably grazed by a bullet on the side of her stomach area Trav644 said: Starting to wonder just exactly how Shu escaped?... Shouldn't he of been blind and missing a arm? lol while i dont know how he escaped, if you watched the ending where they are celebrating Hare's birthday (even tho shes dead), the camera shot a scene specificaly focusing on his hand showing it was replaced with a metal hand, implying that he has a metal arm to go with it id assume. think about it, im sure that far into the future they probably invented a metal arm that works like a real one (like FMA). |
| well, besides those things she had to die anyway, she was a part of shu's sister that died so i feel like inori had to die too. |
| So after a day or so wallowing in sadness, I decided I'd figure this thing out ... so how I see the picture: After fight with Gai, Shu got his original Kings Power on top of his new one, essentially doubling it, this coupled with his realization that he will not be coming back from this made Kings Power exceptionally strong. So strong in fact that he could capture all the voids on the planet, along with Apocalypse virus. Now for a bit of speculation - there was no one in the entire anime except for Shu who had both the Apocalypse virus AND an active void in hand. Coupled with the fact that destruction of Void causes host to crystallize, I would say that they cancel each other out if permitted to do so by Shu. This leads me to believe that after absorbing all the voids and all the virus - they canceled each other out by crystallizing in his body, and not damaging the original host. Now the Inori part comes in, where she hands him the red string, which actually is her life thread, just woven from its circular double helix into a cute little figure shes giving him, essentially giving him her life. This makes his death become her death. Thus we have no more voids - which is shown by him having a metal arm instead of a void arm, and no Apocalypse virus (or obvious evidence of it) ... What baffles me is his blindness ... why was it transferred ?... But I guess the circumstances were exceptional enough to allow a few unexplained puzzles here and there ;) Ahh, that was nice to get off my chest ^_^ The anime was absolutely amazing, a must see And that part wherey Hare comforting Shu and telling him about his good points ... *sigh* |
| Yeah, that's what I am thinking, the question is however - why is she blind ? Yes, a lot happened to her, yes she was about to disappear etc. and yes it's a very "nitty-gritty" question, but won't it make more sense for her to lose a more critical function, than eyesight - it seems very random to me. Very Illogical. If she couldn't walk, or move, or was unconscious or something, paralyzed with crystals or something ... But eyesight is something that disappears after you lose your muscle control, in this case anyway ... That's the only baffling thing for me after the anime was over and I had my fill of sadness :D |
| The theory that shu absorbed the viruses and got rid of voids while giving back their hearts was my initial understanding as well. I think many agree the ending would have been better if they both died or lived based on the fact that its more romantic..or something like that. However, one of them was destined to die, so in turn since that person was shu, as many have said, Inori traded fates with shoe because she loved him and wanted him to continue living. One important thing that isn't really considered is that the Japanese do not go with happy or perfect endings as much as, per se, hollywood/America. |
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| Many people think in the end Inori gave her life to Shu,and that's why Shu became blind, but that's not exactly true. What really happened is, at least to me ( re-watched this anime like 6-7 times). Shu decided to absorb all the cancers/voids and become the savior, ( Inori giving Shu her life theory is not exactly accurate because there is no reason for her to do that, Shu wasn't dead, in the last episode we can see that even if the person is all covered with the cancer, they weren't dead when Shu had taken away from them, which means Shu wasn't dead when they were completely covered within the cancers). But before he had completely absorbs them and actually dies with it, Inori gave him the cat's cradle, which is her void ( not exactly her life for him to survive or anything like that), and Shu accept and absorbs her void. Afterward, instead of letting Shu takes all the cancers and die with it, Inori took on the role of taking the cancers herself, and we all know what happened next... T-T... only if she hadn't LOVED him so much...to do something like that... why T-T And then of course, Shu became blind because he has Inori's void, and from previous episodes we know that he had the ability to absorb and retain whatever is in the void as long he has possession of it. The ending scene... T-T with Inori in Shu's arm probably resembles her void being inside him since the void is kind of like her heart since that's how the explained in the earlier episodes. So basically he can see again if he just discard Inori's void but since it said "few years later" he might be over 18, and in this story people over 18 can't have void powers. But like even if he could, he probably would rather die with it than throwing it away, that void to him is probably much more precious than his own life. |
Rinroken said: After reading these reviews I watched the series again to compare them. I found something really interesting. Everyone remember Guy's void? Its a void that forces over voids to manifest. If when Guy died/left Shu gained the king's power as well as his void then that explains why he was able to bring out the voids of everyone(Guy's void) and bare them all(Shu's void). Why is Shu blind? Because Inori was blind? No, thats pure coincidence. Do you think he could absorb eclipse and void from everyone and everything yet not suffer SOME side effect? He may be the king but hes no god. Even if Inori took his place, hes not getting off scot-free. The Hero saving the world and surviving everything without a scratch thing died off long ago. As for Inori in the last scene. There's no more eclipse, void or anything such. Death is final. The only thing he has that makes him feel close to her is her music. Now that hes blind and therefore has increased hearing, its even more special to him. this is a very good point. That explains how he was able to do what he did. as for the being blind, who knows, maybe coincidence, maybe not, that was clearly left to be interpreted how we want it to be. I also strongly agree with the music thing. imagine how hard it would be living without the one you love with nothing but a picture in your mind and the harmony of her voice in your ears. |
| Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) |
| that's another good point. I never thought of it like that. its not as tragic in that sense, and that would also make sense why she floated away when giving him the cats cradle. That would make living after all that much less painful if that is the case |
| Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) |
phingo said: Everyone has great points. I like them all. Here's something no one mentioned. This anime was sorta based off of Adam and Eve. In the story of Adam and Eve, before they bit the apple, they were blind, unable to see sins so being blind meant that they were innocent. Since Inori went blind at the end, she became the true Eve. Mana was the sinful Eve that was rejected by Shu (Adam). Inori gave Shu her heart, therefore becoming one with Shu (I guess). If you think about it, it's like the story of Adam and Eve played in reverse. This anime is easily one of my favorites despite all the bad reviews, plot holes, and tragic ending. I think its because the main protagonist was simply just a human being who is destined to have unfortunate outcomes no matter what he does. I love that the reason why Inori loved Shu was because he was "heartbreakingly human". well said |
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phingo said: Everyone has great points. I like them all. Here's something no one mentioned. This anime was sorta based off of Adam and Eve. In the story of Adam and Eve, before they bit the apple, they were blind, unable to see sins so being blind meant that they were innocent. Since Inori went blind at the end, she became the true Eve. Mana was the sinful Eve that was rejected by Shu (Adam). Inori gave Shu her heart, therefore becoming one with Shu (I guess). If you think about it, it's like the story of Adam and Eve played in reverse. This anime is easily one of my favorites despite all the bad reviews, plot holes, and tragic ending. I think its because the main protagonist was simply just a human being who is destined to have unfortunate outcomes no matter what he does. I love that the reason why Inori loved Shu was because he was "heartbreakingly human". Agreed, I also love this anime even though I accept that it had plot holes and not the greatest plot. I especially agree with the part you mentioned about why Inori loves Shu, it's my favorite quote from the anime. Inori and Shu's unconditional and platonic love for each other is very beautfiul, and it's one of the things that GC did so well with, despite not being the main focus. On topic a little, I really like what you said about the reverse Adam and Eve as well as "blind=innocence". Nice insight. There's also something that I haven't seen people mentioned yet, which is that the pattern of Inori's cat's cradle is called "Jacob's Ladder" (it has other names as well but that's not important). Since I thought it sounded like it could refer to something in the Bible, I decided to search it up. According to Wikipedia, "Jacob's Ladder is a ladder to heaven that the biblical Patriarch Jacob dreams about...." I'm not great with analysis, so maybe someone could give me a hand here with this? I honestly think it's not a coincidence and must mean something (especially with all the Christian symbolism in GC), though I could be just overthinking it. Perhaps since Inori is the one giving it to Shu, it could also mean that Shu is being forgiven, relieved of his sins. |
tingyOct 18, 2013 10:52 PM
| Guys, the reason he got blind was because "if" he ever gets the power of the king again. He wouldn't be able to look into their eyes and take their void. Remember that the main thing into taking other peoples voids was looking into their eyes, but since he's blind he can't do it. |
ValenciaDec 29, 2014 2:50 AM
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Valencia said: Guys, the reason he got blind was because "if" he ever gets the power of the king again. He wouldn't be able to look into their eyes and take their void. Remember that the main thing into taking other peoples voids was looking into their eyes, but since he's blind he do it. ^THIS. Also, when Shu finally meets Inori, she can't see him anymore due to the progression of the crystals or whatever, so when Shu received her cats cradle (her life) his void made him "absorb" it as well. Btw, am I the only one who thinks this is just way too similar to TTGL ending? |
AznAnime3 said: -If you can recall Season1 OP song "so, everything that makes me whole, I offer it all to you. I’m yours," her body was never originally hers but her heart, the feeling that Shu helped build was the only thing that was hers. So in the end Inori literally gives Shu everything that makes her whole (her heart). [Regardless Shu's goal was to get rid of all voids and crystal virus in the world, since Inori's body is a clone of Mana's that means that her body is also apart of the virus since Mana is Eve. Nevertheless, Inori's body would have to die in order to cleanse the world of the virus.] This makes the final scene even more heart warming. Some people believe Shu is imagining Inori and embracing her, but if my opinion of the ending was true, then Shu is actually embracing Inori. They may not be embracing each-other physically, but since Inori's heart is inside of Shu they will always be together. Isn't that what love truly is, something beyond the physical? You're awesome bro. well said |
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