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Sep 25, 2011 2:04 PM
#1
Didn't think I'd ever find myself asking other people for recommendations, but I suppose desperate times call for desperate measures. I am a big fan of a variety of different forms of comedy, animated or not. However my favourite type of comedy is Satire, a genre which doesn't seem to have much presence in anime. For those who don't know already: "Satire is primarily a literary genre or form, although in practice it can also be found in the graphic and performing arts. In satire, vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, ideally with the intent of shaming individuals, and society itself, into improvement. Although satire is usually meant to be funny, its greater purpose is often constructive social criticism, using wit as a weapon." (Definition courtesy of Wikipedia) There are a few known titles out there that are labelled as satire: Welcome to the NHK! and Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei being the two prime candidates. Personally I question whether even these fit the definition of satire (NHK fails to shame, SZS fails to make a point) but that is neither here nor there. Less well known satirical anime I have seen includes 'Twilight of the Cockroaches' which is the closest I have seen to a true satire in anime, and 'Legend of Koizumi' -the only anime I know of that satirises real life politics (and Mahjong). Some also claim that Lucky Star is satirical. I can see how people could make that claim, although I don't agree with it personally. Anyway, that should be just about all the satirical anime I have seen, although you may want to check my list if you can think of a well known title that I missed. It's been a while since I saw a comedy with a purpose or with something to say, and I would like to address that issue. |
Sep 25, 2011 2:21 PM
#2
Katte ni Kaizou ![]() Genshiken - A lot actually puts otaku in a kind light, but let me quote Kugayama. "I'll probably be a virgin my whole life!" Everyone else does fine, but the fat guy can't get a break. |
notsureifsrsSep 25, 2011 2:26 PM
Sep 25, 2011 2:26 PM
#3
Cromartie High School seems to fit the bill Aside from the obvious randomness that the show vomits at you Characters like Yamaguchi, Noboru constantly trying to point out why a poplar show in the within the anime is popular. There are many ironic scene and long tangents on random issue to enjoy about |
Sep 25, 2011 2:27 PM
#4
AnnoKano said: However my favourite type of comedy is Satire, a genre which doesn't seem to have much presence in anime. For those who don't know already. Wish I could help but you would be my "go-to" person for satire. |
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Sep 25, 2011 2:46 PM
#5
I guess you could call Detroit Metal City a satire of heavy metal music in a similar way that Spinal Tap did in the 80s. It's mainly 'shock' humour though. And it's only 13 half-length episodes, so definately worth a go, even if it isn't entirely what you're looking for. |
Sep 25, 2011 2:51 PM
#6
Sexy commando Cashman |
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
Sep 25, 2011 3:56 PM
#7
Is satire something that's well known all over the world? Rofl, just a thought. It seems to be more prevalent in western cultures. Maybe I just haven't been expose to much Asian culture, but I don't notice it much. From literature to entertainment, etc... |
Sep 25, 2011 8:46 PM
#8
bloodshadow said: Oh, Asians can be sharply satirical. We often miss it because we don't make the necessary cultural or topical connections.Is satire something that's well known all over the world? Rofl, just a thought. It seems to be more prevalent in western cultures. Maybe I just haven't been expose to much Asian culture, but I don't notice it much. From literature to entertainment, etc... Edit: What we tend to see far more in anime is parody, another style of humor that is easily missed if you are not familiar with what is being sent up. |
-animeS - The plural of anime is anime. More than one deer is still deer. There is no damn "s". -epic |ˈepik| noun•a work portraying heroic deeds/adventures covering an long period of time - adjective • heroic/grand in scale or character Active Military, Prior Service, and Veteran's Anime Club http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=25937&time=1299710079 |
Sep 26, 2011 5:02 AM
#9
Try Colorful. And you know I'm not fond of explaining why you should try it, so just try it. Shouldn't hurt anyway, even if you find it not fitting your request (although I think it's the most fitting anime I know). |
Sep 26, 2011 6:04 AM
#10
seishi-sama said: Try Colorful. And you know I'm not fond of explaining why you should try it, so just try it. Shouldn't hurt anyway, even if you find it not fitting your request (although I think it's the most fitting anime I know). Why are you not fond of explaining the reasons behind your suggestions? It's unreasonable to expect others to follow your suggestions if you are unable to back them up. If you've read the recommendations forum for any length of time, then you must be aware that people often just suggest people watch their favourite shows if they've even the slightest relevence to the request. Not that I am imploring you for an explanation here; I am just pondering on it as a general idea. I will have a look at the various titles that have been suggested thus far and get back to you all on whether or not they are what I am looking for. Thank you all for your help. Of course, any additional suggestions are welcome. |
Sep 26, 2011 7:00 AM
#11
AnnoKano said: seishi-sama said: Try Colorful. And you know I'm not fond of explaining why you should try it, so just try it. Shouldn't hurt anyway, even if you find it not fitting your request (although I think it's the most fitting anime I know). Why are you not fond of explaining the reasons behind your suggestions? Well, I told you before that I find it pointless for a variety of reasons. Just check the comments from back then if you can find them. :) |
Sep 26, 2011 7:17 AM
#12
LOL, who cares about anime nowadays? I recommend Family Guy. And The Simpsons. Honestly, as for anime, I think Gintama fits in. I also heard about mellors said: Detroit Metal City I also think Urayasu Tekkin Kazoku counts. |
Tiago97Sep 26, 2011 7:31 AM
Sep 26, 2011 8:56 AM
#13
Tiago97 said: LOL, who cares about anime nowadays? Well... Tiago97 said: I recommend Family Guy. And The Simpsons. Family Guy's satire is pretty weak, especially the more recent series. The Simpsons stopped being funny a long time ago and whether ot not it qualifies as 'satire' is debatable. The best Western animation for satire is South Park, though I hear that too has gone downhill of late. Tiago97 said: Honestly, as for anime, I think Gintama fits in. So Gintama makes fun of society or whatever by emulating it with the hope of inspiring it to change? Really now? Tiago97 said: I also think Urayasu Tekkin Kazoku counts. May well do... I'll have to look that one up. |
Sep 26, 2011 9:02 AM
#14
AnnoKano said: Tiago97 said: Honestly, as for anime, I think Gintama fits in. So Gintama makes fun of society or whatever by emulating it with the hope of inspiring it to change? It doesn't have that much satire, but it has it's bits. Example: Gintoki is an addict to Shounen Jump and buys it every week, even when he doesn't have money to pay his rent. That's somewhat satirical, right? I could be wrong, of course. |
Sep 26, 2011 9:15 AM
#15
Gintama has some things occasionally that one could argue with satire, but i don't remember it being very frequent. (ie the episode/s where gin was helping some guy create his manga, but that is literally the only time i can think of off the top of my head) |
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Sep 26, 2011 9:18 AM
#16
Tiago97 said: AnnoKano said: Tiago97 said: Honestly, as for anime, I think Gintama fits in. So Gintama makes fun of society or whatever by emulating it with the hope of inspiring it to change? It doesn't have that much satire, but it has it's bits. Example: Gintoki is an addict to Shounen Jump and buys it every week, even when he doesn't have money to pay his rent. That's somewhat satirical, right? I could be wrong, of course. Not really... Jonathan Swift wrote an essay called 'A Modest Proposal' in which he suggested that the people of Ireland (who were going through a famine at the time) should practice cannibalism and eat their own children to avoid starving to death. Swift was not actually suggesting they should eat their own children however; he was criticising the way the British government was handling the situation- equating them with bloodthirsty cannibals. That's what satire is. The example you gave wouldn't really qualify as satire because it's not really criticising people who spend all their money on manga, it's just making fun of them in a light hearted way. It doesn't have the sarcasm or the critique to be satire, at least not the kind I'm looking for. |
Sep 26, 2011 9:24 AM
#17
AnnoKano said: Tiago97 said: AnnoKano said: Tiago97 said: Honestly, as for anime, I think Gintama fits in. So Gintama makes fun of society or whatever by emulating it with the hope of inspiring it to change? It doesn't have that much satire, but it has it's bits. Example: Gintoki is an addict to Shounen Jump and buys it every week, even when he doesn't have money to pay his rent. That's somewhat satirical, right? I could be wrong, of course. Not really... Jonathan Swift wrote an essay called 'A Modest Proposal' in which he suggested that the people of Ireland (who were going through a famine at the time) should practice cannibalism and eat their own children to avoid starving to death. Swift was not actually suggesting they should eat their own children however; he was criticising the way the British government was handling the situation- equating them with bloodthirsty cannibals. That's what satire is. The example you gave wouldn't really qualify as satire because it's not really criticising people who spend all their money on manga, it's just making fun of them in a light hearted way. It doesn't have the sarcasm or the critique to be satire, at least not the kind I'm looking for. A book called Utopia. I remember hearing about it last year in my History class. From the Renaissance period there seems to be very good satirical books. I think you may want to look into those. |
Tiago97Sep 26, 2011 9:30 AM
Sep 26, 2011 10:34 AM
#18
Hm, maybe you could try Kino's Journey + all the specials. It's not really comedy, but it takes certain traits of humanity/society any shows them in an overly symbolic and reflective fashion to make fun of them or just show how crazy or ridiculous it all is. But it mostly does it in a deep and serious way and probably not counts as really satirical, but you should give it a try nevertheless. |
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Sep 26, 2011 11:12 AM
#19
sophy4ever said: I love the subtlety of that show and sincerely wish they would finish subbing it. How about Hyouge Mono? The humor in it can be seen as such. Colorful the TV series is more a parody of panty fetish fan service. Not my thing but you might find it funny. But again, it is more parody than satire. And if you want Renaissance satire, you can't beat the Decameron, sometimes called Decameron Nights. Then there is Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. Recently watched an old movie based on it and it was hilarious. . . . . . but back to anime . . . |
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Sep 26, 2011 11:51 AM
#20
lisnoire said: Colorful the TV series is more a parody of panty fetish fan service. Not my thing but you might find it funny. But again, it is more parody than satire. It's a shame that most people only see that in this extremely witty series. :( |
Sep 26, 2011 11:55 AM
#21
Tiago97 said: A book called Utopia. I remember hearing about it last year in my History class. From the Renaissance period there seems to be very good satirical books. I think you may want to look into those. Yes, there are many dystopian novels that are satirical. I don't know much about 'Utopia', though I recently finished Nineteen Eighty Four. I have not read into too much Classical literature. I've read the Republic and I am currently reading 'The Iliad' -so thats Philosophy and Epic Poetry, but no satire. lisnoire said: sophy4ever said: I love the subtlety of that show and sincerely wish they would finish subbing it. How about Hyouge Mono? The humor in it can be seen as such. Will have to check that one out then. lisnoire said: Colorful the TV series is more a parody of panty fetish fan service. Not my thing but you might find it funny. But again, it is more parody than satire. You know, just because I liked Strike Witches doesn't mean I like panty fetish fan service. : | Though, I suppose I'll give it a shot, since it's pretty short. lisnoire said: And if you want Renaissance satire, you can't beat the Decameron, sometimes called Decameron Nights. Then there is Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. Recently watched an old movie based on it and it was hilarious. . . . . . but back to anime . . . Still haven't finished Milton, so I won't be moving on to Chaucer for quite some time. I hear its language is so archaic it is pretty much written in a foreign language. |
Sep 26, 2011 12:03 PM
#22
AnnoKano said: Tiago97 said: A book called Utopia. I remember hearing about it last year in my History class. From the Renaissance period there seems to be very good satirical books. I think you may want to look into those. Yes, there are many dystopian novels that are satirical. I don't know much about 'Utopia', though I recently finished Nineteen Eighty Four. I have not read into too much Classical literature. I've read the Republic and I am currently reading 'The Iliad' -so thats Philosophy and Epic Poetry, but no satire. lisnoire said: sophy4ever said: I love the subtlety of that show and sincerely wish they would finish subbing it. How about Hyouge Mono? The humor in it can be seen as such. Will have to check that one out then. lisnoire said: Colorful the TV series is more a parody of panty fetish fan service. Not my thing but you might find it funny. But again, it is more parody than satire. You know, just because I liked Strike Witches doesn't mean I like panty fetish fan service. : | Though, I suppose I'll give it a shot, since it's pretty short. lisnoire said: And if you want Renaissance satire, you can't beat the Decameron, sometimes called Decameron Nights. Then there is Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. Recently watched an old movie based on it and it was hilarious. . . . . . but back to anime . . . Still haven't finished Milton, so I won't be moving on to Chaucer for quite some time. I hear its language is so archaic it is pretty much written in a foreign language. It is early English and nothing like the Elizabethan English of Shakespeare. A little more understandable than Beowulf but not worth the trouble. Find a translation or watch the movie :-) Was indeed teasing you about Strike Witches;-) Glad you got it. |
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Mar 28, 2016 9:32 AM
#23
Humanity has declined - It makes so many comments on modern human society like depression, mass production, consumerism, manga industry etc and hides it under a non-linear absurd plot, cutesy characters and a colour palette bright enough to burn your eyes, but it is well worth the try. The points that they make are valid and accurate, but I'll leave that to the viewer to decide. Satoshi Kon animes/movies: Paranoia Agent Perfect Blue Paprika I would mention the satire featured in the above three, but tht would also be giving away spoilers. |
ScarButterflyMar 28, 2016 9:51 AM
Mar 28, 2016 9:40 AM
#24
"I have not read into too much Classical literature. I've read the Republic and I am currently reading 'The Iliad' -so thats Philosophy and Epic Poetry, but no satire." Homeric poetry is speculated to be satirical if you shift the perspective. The gods could be used to represent the follies of human beings, mainly people of a higher position. If you have read the Odyssey you'll notice from Calypso's monologue about the treatment of women in those days. Another example was the Phaecians, whose culture contrasts with the patriachial society of Ancient Greece. Greek plays are better for satire though, lsuch as the 'frogs' or 'Medea'. |
Mar 28, 2016 9:55 AM
#25
This thread is five years old, so I wouldn't usually post in it. However the request is uncommon, and the list of shows fairly small. First, I see two works by Nakashima Kazuki as definitely satiirical, Oh! Edo Rocket, which gets essentially no attention here at MAL, and Kill la Kill. The first concerns political and particularly artistic repression and eventually includes some episodes on the concept of "mutually assured destruction." The second satirizes the authoritarianism and regimentation in Japanese culture through the vehicle of school uniforms. (I don't see how anyone can miss this theme since the opening sequence talks about Hitler, but I guess those that think KlK is pointless were sleeping along with Mako.) I didn't get very far into Nakashima's Gurren Lagann, so I can't say whether that also can be seen as satirical. The Legend of Koizumi exults those tendencies that concern Nakashima as it converts former Japanese Prime Minister Koizumi into a superhero fighting for peace and justice. In the anime he takes on the North Korean Kims (before Jong-il died) and the Chinese leadership. His chosen battlefield is a mahjong table, though supplemented occasionally by actual weapons. Samurai Flamenco satirizes the entire concept of heroes as does Gatchaman Crowds and its Insight sequel. The latter also has a strong anti-fascist message. I wouldn't say "deconstructions" like Puella Magi Madoka Magica can be seen as "satirical," but they come close. NHK ni Youkoso! has a satirical air, though it's aimed at the rather easy target of hikikomori. Still it has enough depth, especially in the latter half, that I'd say it has at least one foot in the world of satire. The multilevel-marketing arc certainly has that feel. Finally I'll also mention Hyouge Mono, an off-kilter reconstruction of the Sengoku period seen through the eyes of one of Nobunaga's vassals. All the great men of that critical period in Japanese history are skewered humorously throughout the show, as we see their great ambitions as little more than personal vanity. A unique, complex and demanding show that definitely brings great rewards. Read up a bit on the history of the Sengoku period before watching so you can keep the large cast straight and see where the story deviates from historical canon. |
SeijiSenseiMar 28, 2016 10:01 AM
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