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| This episode was just so crazy. But there was plenty good moments. Like Sebastian with spear,when he sew and when Claude take sword. And of course moment with cream.... I am glad to hear what Ciel soul is pure. |
| Okay, watched it with subs. =O So Ciel's soul is still pure...even with all that revenge and stuff? How is that possible? XD; So now I understand why everyone wants him. Lol. And now we learn that Alois isn't Alois. But Jim Machen? D: aksojdadmaeldjodjdaodadad WHERE IS THE REAL ALOIS?! DX But I still love Alois (Jim). =D |
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| Loved the Yakitake Japan references, that was unexpected. The fact that Alois has a bunch of demons that he calls his "spiders", where Ceil has one and is referred to as the "dog" is actually pretty cool. Especially since Sebastian can keep up with all of them (w/out Claude) at once. It's almost like all of the Trancy servants are one demon, but split into multiple bodies, with Claude as the "main" body. Not sure if that applies to Hannah, though. Speaking of, she actually talked! I wasn't expecting her do do anything except gasp in pain when Alois tortured her. |
| Dear Math, I'm not a therapist. Solve your own problems. Oh, and Algebra? Stop asking us to find your ex, she's NEVER coming back. |
| I think theres no way that alois is still alive since claude ditched him When Claude was getting the sword out of hannah it felt like i was choking too .... and i cant stand watching someone suffer when that person is being ignored |
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Astrid_ said: It really BROKE MY HEART when in the end Alois said to Claude "Oh you look as if you found some maggot swarming in a dung pile" with that resignated smile. I want that demon dead. Immediately. On a lighter note, I don't know why, but I HOWLED WITH LAUGHTER when Ciel told Alois he wanted to duel with him, and Alois said "Oh, so we're not going to the restroom together" XDXD I know, I had to pause and reread what he had said..it was just too sad.. And for the second thing you said, LOL my sister didn't get it but I was like wowwww, lol he was looking forward to go to the restroom together. |
| Very entertaining episode, although I really can't take this seriously, I don't even think they want us to take it seriously any more- WAIT A MINUTE. NO. NO. NONONONO- ALOISSSSSS TOT If Alois is dead, I might drop this. >.> My enjoyment so far of this series has mostly been provided by him and this is going to suck if he's dead,. BUT BUT next episode looks amazing... Okay. Doesn't matter any more.Alois can't be dead for plot-related reasons so he'll be fiiiiiine. xD |
Astrid_ said: I think I understood how things are gonna work out. Sebastian knows that Alois isn't the real Trancy heir, so when he signed the contract with Claude, he already had in mind to let Ciel discover that Claude's master is not the real Alois. This way Ciel won't try to kill him anymore, but will instead pursue the real Alois. When Ciel will finally kill the real Alois, Sebastian will claim his soul, but Claude won't have it, because the contract said that he could have Ciel only if Ciel killed what we discovered to be JIM. So in short Alois is not going to die, because otherwise Claude will claim Ciel's soul and Sebastian won't allow it. Sebastian is a cunning bastard XD So that means...Alois is really Jim, and he made a contract with Claude to kill...ummm his "father" who really isn't his father? And if they find the real heir..wouldn't the real heir know that he was supposed to be the real heir of the Trancy household..wouldn't have Alois taken care of that, like make sure no one finds out about it.. Also, I hope that since Alois isn't going to really be a big "part of Ciel finding his revenge" they won't let him just die off. :'< I hope they explain the reason why Alois wanted to become the Trancy heir in the next episode, and things are making a lot more sense now. But seriously..his name was JIM, lolll. He doesn't look like a Jim to me. But I"m still wondering as to why Grell would be there facing off with hannah.. was he there to collect...NO I HOPE NOT. >:C I also found it strange how Alois knew what the demon butlers were up with.. Clever kid..he knew it..all along. :c This isn't Ciel's fault. He's been deceived, I wonder how stupid he'll feel when he figures out he's been their little puppet. srsly pissed of, my guess. I still won't forgive Ciel for calling Alois disgusting. Gosh. |
EarlCielAug 13, 2010 1:18 PM
Smochi said: Okay. Doesn't matter any more.Alois can't be dead for plot-related reasons so he'll be fiiiiiine. xD But he isn't the real Alois, he isn't the real heir to the Trancy household. The plot was supposed to cover Ciel getting his revenge..I hope they don't let Alois tell his story about not being the real heir, and then just die or something. Then I'd srsly use like 7x more weapons that Hannah carries with her and MURDER. Grab someone on the neck and choke them. Perhaps grab a sword and stab THEM in the side of their stomach to test out if you could really die from that. if they do, I'll forgive them. >:C |
Smochi said: If Alois is dead, I might drop this. I seriously will, he's the main reason why I'm enjoying this season so much. |
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| Damn with the subs my heart is broken. Alois...nooooooooo! Or shall I say Jimmy? Jimmy <3 I would be even more sad if he really did die. I like him so much and then after barely 7 episodes he's dead? Nooooooo. Can't be! |
| Alois said, "Houhe O Taraluna, Ron de Rotarel" it could be written in Katakana not hiragana and it's : ホヘオタラルナ、ロンデロタレル "Hoheotararuna, ronderotareru" it's a cantrip to call fairies. The Kuroshitsuji wiki says here that this was featured in The Black Tabloid (a Kuroshitsuji magazine) as a guide on how to summon fairies. And, after he says this, all of his butlers appear. Some translators translated it as," As long as the contract exist, you will give me anything I want." |
| Oh I'm glad that I hated Claude since the very beginning... I want Sebastian to kill that asshole. And then he'll give Ciel a lesson about not stabbing people who have a traumatic past (like he has after all). Or maybe Grell can do the job and Undertaker can dig a hole in the ground for Claude. He doesn't deserve a proper funeral. |
| Yeah..I really hate that guy.. DIE CLAUDE, DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE! |
| Anyway damn sick of being fooled by the producers. Ok, I'm sorry for those who don't like shounen ai, but I have to post these pictures that THE PRODUCERS showed before the beginning of the series to explain why I'm so disappointed with this episode. They promoted this:  and this:  After making us believe Ciel was dead, they promoted this new perfect couple of master and butler that seems bloody perfect and would put Ciel and Sebastian to shame, then not only we discover that Ciel is still alive and is being fooled like a gullible idiot by Sebastian, but also that the real Alois and Claude are nothing like the perfect couple in the pictures, since Claude wants Ciel more than he wants Alois. I mean really, if they weren't drawings but real photographs, I would have bet Claude dropped Alois on the floor the moment the shooting was over -.- I'm so tired these producer's crap. Why can't they just tell the truth for once? |
Astrid_ said: After making us believe Ciel was dead, they promoted this new perfect couple of master and butler that seems bloody perfect and would put Ciel and Sebastian to shame, then not only we discover that Ciel is still alive and is being fooled like a gullible idiot by Sebastian, but also that the real Alois and Claude are nothing like the perfect couple in the pictures, since Claude wants Ciel more than he wants Alois. I mean really, if they weren't drawings but real photographs, I would have bet Claude dropped Alois on the floor the moment the shooting was over -.- I'm so tired these producer's crap. Why can't they just tell the truth for once? Oh chill out. You're pretty much insulting Yana-san, which is unforgiveable! They just played a little joke and you should already know by now, that there's no perfect relationships in Kuroshitsuji. It all has a deeper meaning and something behind the facade. :/ |
 love is such a strange thing but with you, it doesn't matter |
| It always amazes me how hot-headed everyone gets in this topic. Thanks for the subs like EarlCiel. I'm off to watch the subs now. Seriously though everyone...take a deep breath. It is just an anime. |
 Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
Astrid_ said: No, I'm not insulting Yana-san, absolutely. She's great because she created a great manga and we wouldn't even be here talking if it wasn't for her. It was her who gave the producers the OK to kill Ciel off in the end of season one, but then they decided to make a second series only because there was starting to be a great audience following the series. Yana had to eat s**t for months by the fans who sent her letters saying that she couldn't let Ciel die, and this way she got involved in the creation of the second series. I am absolutely SURE that it's not Yana's fault if the series turned out the way it did because she's not the type to put meaningless fanservice in the story just to satisfy the fans. I think anyone who has read the manga and knows her style clearly sees that this series couldn't possibly have been her doing. She probably had a part in creating characters such as Alois and Claude, but I'm ready to bet that if it were for her, we wouldn't have this second series at all because she would have preferred to let Ciel die than to mess up the characters. So no, I'm not angry with Yana, I'm angry with the rest of the producers who involved her in this impossible situation of creating a second anime series. Yana-san created Alois and Claude, knowing that they would be in season 2 and she has claimed herself that season 2 is totally original, so yes, she has something to do with this season. - That's all I have to say. Suzune-chan said: Seriously though everyone...take a deep breath. It is just an anime. My thoughts exactly. All that "RAG CLAUDE GO DIE!!1!" and blah blah is annoying. |
love is such a strange thing but with you, it doesn't matter |
| I agree that some people (including I, yes I admit it) may get a little out of control at times when we discuss, but this is a discussing thread so it's okay for those to speak out their own opinions, not everyone might agree with such statements and thoughts, but it never hurts to speak about how you feel upon this issue. Although, I guess this is basically what happens when you get so attached to a character in an anime, especially if this character seems so real like you can reach a hand actually touch him/her. A character who doesn't have this boring life and suddenly little chara characters help her cheat and have a better life (yes, I am talking about Shugo Chara). This is, afterall, kind of what happened in the first season..a bunch of people were mourning and stuff. Even bashing on Kuroshitsuji...o___O" We should all relax and leave the really harsh critique on the anime towards the end of the series. We have no reason to rant about something we're not very sure of ourselves. =) Just a few pages ago I was hollering my head off at Claude, but now I've calmed down. A bit. Just a bit. But I still am on photoshop drilling holes nto Claude and giving him fairy wings. Oh, but it's just my quiet way of relieving anger so don't mind me, xD |
EarlCielAug 13, 2010 2:44 PM
| And think of it this way, if they didn't have fans complaining to Yana and everything, we wouldn't have the interesting plot we have now! It'd be completley different! =DDDDD /fails at trying to change the atmosphere. - , -" |
EarlCiel said: I agree that some people (including I, yes I admit it) may get a little out of control at times when we discuss, but this is a discussing thread so it's okay for those to speak out their own opinions, not everyone might agree with such statements and thoughts, but it never hurts to speak about how you feel upon this issue. Although, I guess this is basically what happens when you get so attached to a character in an anime, especially if this character seems so real like you can reach a hand actually touch him/her. I agree with this. I liked Alois JIMMY even before Kuroshitsuji 2 started. In this first episode, my mind went boom!!! Straight to my favorites list dude! I love his attitude so much - makes people learn that kids aren't all angelic - like most of them are portrayed in anime. And then Alois suffered - a lot. That's showing that not every kid has an easy life and that's the meaning behind his behavior. And now this - betrayed by Claude. I feel that I can relate to Alois too and it makes me like him more. Now I really can't imagine a Kuroshitsuji 2 without JIMMY. I wonder how the real Alois is like but JIMMY is so much win!!! |
| @earlciel:thx for the subbed link @Astrid_:your right where fooled all the way till now and nobody knows what happens next still i think claude isnt thast bad as you guys let him look sure his an ass in the episode and i dont get it myself but i still love him and know he isnt that badim sure there are a good reason behind that |
| Well, from what I see, Claude really really REALLY wants ciel's soul and he's like betraying his own master, leaving him to die. But, that's how I see it. Maybe the next episode will clear things, but I bet that's just how he is. He want's Ciel because he's like the "ULTIMATEE PRIZZEEE" or something BUT sebastian's always like, 'HE'S MY BOCCHAN /SMACKS DOUGH ON HIS GLASSES" so I doubt he'll lie a finger on him. -- Anyways, you're all welcome. I went to like 10 different sites to find it, lol. turns out it was a facebook video. =) I'm going to repost it here since it's...2 pages back...o___O http://www.animeultima.tv/kuroshitsuji-2-episode-7-english-subbed/ |
EarlCielAug 13, 2010 3:06 PM
| Totally out of the subject, but don't you have the feeling that the second saison is just like a gift for fans. Well, I've got the feeling that the whole thing lost something, or it looks like a doujinshi. If I compare to the first season : 1) Ciel was calmer, yes he would get angry if the dignity matters appeared but in the end he just wanted to die in peace after getting his revenge. 2) Sebastian was the ultimate butler, half playing with Ciel, half helping him. In the 2nd, he looks like totally dependant to Ciel, I prefer the idea demons-are-superiors. 3) This wasn't just fan service, in this season I've got the impression to watch a shonen-ai doujinshi version, I'm a lot into yaoi and in the first season, I was oftenly like "oh closer and it would be a kiss" but in every eps it looks like, erf, just cheap fan service, and little less would be better. 4)The relationship Ciel-Seb was in first plan, and permitted to the whole thing to gains something. I'm ready to be message-killed, but I needed to say this because I liked the first season (and thought the end was perfect) and was waiting for the 2nd happily but after watching 7 episodes, I didn't find what I liked, more like a Ciel in paper, a Kuroshitsuji in paper, now I just have to wait for Grell, maybe he will get the whole thing better. |
| I am not god, I just live in the sky, with some angels(bishônen ^^), try to open the sea (without any success), play chess with the death (it's a cheater, but I always win) and make me hit by my friends because they don't understand why I cut their sheets for create a god's dress |
| I kind of feel sorry for Alois now.. |
| al-sama- Maybe they all changed because of the new characters. Ciel isn't himself because he lost his soul, that would make sense since that IS what happened. Sebastian is more dependent on Ciel because there's someone who wants to steal his bocchan from him. It makes sense that they've changed. Ciel, loosing his memory, and then discovering the person who he though killed his parents, he's been deceived so of course he'd change as a character.But you are right. They've definetly changed..but that's because the situation has now changed. Alois and Claude are added into the storyline. |
| Oh my god. I just realized how stupid I sounded on my profile. "KYAAAA I LOVE KAWAII CHARACTERSSSS~ KYAKYAKYAKYKAYKAYKAAAAAAAA, OHHH BUT I DON'T THINK ABOUT THEM IN THATTT WAYYY I LIKE AM TOTALLY IN LOVE WITH CIEL CAUSE HE'S SUPER ULTRA MEGGAAA KAWAIII {SIDE NOTE: not so much anymore, but it's not because he stabbed Alois.} OHHH AND I LOVE BUNNIES :333333333333" I was so immature 5 months ago. Gosh. So embarrassed right now. ///srrry about subject change. Anywhooooo~ Shotacon. .____. I really disapprove it, even if it is fictional...it hurts my hearttttttt ~ </3 {unless..it' TRUEEE love} |
| "Shall we dance" <3 ! Wow , Alois really looked pathetic .... |
alwaysbored said: Wow , Alois really looked pathetic .... ಠ____________ಠ srlsy? |
| Oh my god. Claude just stood there. I hope Alois just passed out from bloodloss. If not then what the hell. Claude practically came in his pants at the taste of Ciel's blood. I loved the look on Sebastain's face it was hilarious. And Ciel blusheddddd. Oh Alois, please be okay. |
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| Whenever Alois was trying to explain to Ciel that the demons were lying to them and stuff, I really wanted Ciel to believe him and team up with him. ;___; still holding on to that last strand of hope that he lives<3 |
| ; ___ ; I'm with you ^ They'd all be great friends. ; ^ ; ; ^ ; </3 |
EarlCielAug 13, 2010 4:26 PM
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