| I've never seen a board where karma/rep was used productively. Usually, it just means, "This many people agree with me", as opposed to, "This many people think that my posts are well-formulated and constructive". Then there are the circlejerks, where friends +1 each other endlessly. Most of the time, it's only good for singling out complete idiots, but a quick glance at a user's posts should be enough to tell someone whether that person is an idiot or not. |
Kaiserpingvin said: If a club breaks the law, it is already forbidden, and it should be removed. Us forum moderators cannot do so, but we'll delegate any reports to those who can. If it is a thread in a club, it is locked or deleted, and banning follows as necessary. The clubs like How to Find Anime technically break the law too. Anyway. I don't really like the idea of GD being split into so many sub categories. It will just make the forums more cluttered. I've seen many sites that had too many and it gets really bad. Though I do like the idea of a Computer/Technology section. |
| (did you all just read the first paragraph or something <_<) Uhm... please don't put me together with that anonymous +/- junk with green bars. I'm not talking about things like that which are hidden from view and just used to vent in some way, rather then contribute to the discussion. I'm not even talking about any kind of fancy junk either, its just plain text in normal posts. If you're talking about the system that actually show on the post how many +/- votes it got for all to see, then yes those would be a good analogy. @ corbenic If you're searching the thread then what you're searching (presuming its not random) is likely in one of those posts. If it is random, use the search feature or google (there's a site: feature in google). Also, people use quotes already... I don't see a difference. We can easily produce threads in spam to show how that is wrong. Other problems can easily proven the same way. If this can't, I don't see why the policy needs to be changed on it. This is one of those (few) cases where I can actually agree to that despicable old saying: "if its not broken, don't fix it" |
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Onibokusu said: Not to mention the fact that, even if it did work, you'd have to send out letters for all of them, and, if I recall, there are a good number of them, in the thousands range.viperslayer said: >IP trace. >Contact of ISP >Contact of Home Owner >Confirmation of Minor at house. No its not. That's quite possibly the most stupid IT-related comment I've heard someone make on MAL. Yeah, okay, cool. You now know what server is providing the user with their internet connection. Then what? You still have no details about the user, no details about their location (my ISP is located 2 hours north of me. That's over 200 kilometres away) and no idea if they're underage in any which way. And no. The ISP is not just going to break customer-business relations by giving out confidential information to some random person who suspects something on the internet. Not that you'd even remotely have enough information to be able to ask anything. IP Addresses are merely one way to distinguish one device on a network from another. |
| Depending on how the ISP is setup the (Dynamic) IP address is obviously going to change at some point. Also I don't know about ISPs in the US but in most countries unless your email address reads special@important_something.gov nobody gives a damn; you would very likely get sent straight to spam folder actually. Some countries also have very strict legislation for protecting their citizens. Germany is probably the noisiest when it comes to privacy. Ignoring the hole problems with Google Chrome (which if you're using it and didn't know it, is very liberal with your privacy information), ICPs in Germany will go straight to jail (no questions asked) if they release your information. I'm not sure if even going though court you can actually obtain it easily; but if you're not a German citizen you likely don't stand a snowballs chance in hell. And speaking of the law, I've heard more then one case where the court forced ICPs to completely purge their logs to guarantee their customers privacy (yes German courts again). That said, I've never heard of laws dictating ICPs are required to keep logs. If they are stupid nobody is stopping them, but its both a public relations nightmare and just opens up the possibility of being put in a position where they have to take action against their paying customers (business-seppuku as far as I'm concerned). |
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| I like the ideas presented in the OP. But I would also like to point out that the back-end of the mod system is really convoluted and irritating to deal with. Which is one reason why I am not active as I used to be. Which leads me to agree with posting a notice every time we do a mod action. A lot of times we are doing things, and the users don't know about it. (I even joke about it with my signature, but I promise, I am actually doing something as opposed to nothing.) Essentially, users don't know how much modding is taking place because they don't see most of it. Maybe we should be talking about how we are doing things as opposed to what we are doing? Because I feel that we still do things the same way as when we had <50,000 users, only now we have several hundred thousand. So I think the mod system needs remodeling. Also, (this is just a small personal opinion) I think that Spam could be split into Casual Chat and Forum Games; it's really hard to have off-topic/casual discussion when it is immediately drowned with "NAME THE USER ABOVE YOU!!KK." |
| Hi this thread deserves more attention. Bloop bloop. Wait, is this an example of a good post or not. I am just sad there has been no responses. Warbird I think wants this thread revived anyways. |
| Well, since this thread has now lain fallow I think there isn't much more to say. I'll bring this to Xinil's attention next time I see him (or another enterprising soul could, if I am not around). Still open for suggestions, though. |
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| Oh hell. Ahhha. Edited msg because of me being blind I didn't remember that this isn't... well... nevermind. Ahem suggestion.. change 'spam section' name/title. Separate all the 'word games' from the 'random' (things like.. random question, example, what did you eat today?' etc. Make music section, movie section, things that is a common interest of people and enjoy posting on. Pls ignore that previous and embarrassing post.. to me at least, that was posted up a wheee-while ago. |
NoobieAug 9, 2010 12:33 AM
Thor got deleted... D:    |
| http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=76065 ^ Maybe this? :V Not really related to MAL's sociology, but I'd still like to bring it up again, since you're going to talk to the X-man about this. |
| I remember I made a suggestion on renamming, adding and removing some forum categories in another suggestion thread. I renamed a lot of the boards becasue "X Discussion" gets boring to look at. Anyway it ended up like this: |
ZealotusAug 10, 2010 6:12 AM
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Zealotus said: I don't think Asian Drama should go under Anime and Manga. The recommendation boards should just be one board, as always. Music, Gaming, and Film boards can be one General Entertainment board with those individual topics as subforums.I remember I made a suggestion on renamming, adding and removing some forum categories in another suggestion thread. I renamed a lot of the boards becasue "X Discussion" gets boring to look at. Anyway it ended up like this: |
| Yeah, that would work too. |
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| Just a thought, Kaiserpingvin said: Ban messages in posts, á la This user was banned for this post. Sets public example so people know there are punishments for their transgressions - and what transgressions there are. Isn't this something that can be done already, without any structural change to the forums? I remember kei-clone did that in the 9/11 thread last year, which stopped all troll posts. Unless, of course, you're suggesting that it should be standard, if not mandatory, in which case it seems more of an internal modding debate. Basically, my point is, if a forum mod likes this idea, he/she could do it right away. Psajdak said: This is more about forum structure, rather than DB stuff.Honestly though, can't you just take few new moderators just for confirming characters & people picture changes, preferably with good eyes? One need to wait over 24 hours sometimes just to see 1 mod checking few new posts. |
SaitoeAug 9, 2010 12:13 PM
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llxwarbirdxll said: Music, Gaming, and Film boards can be one General Entertainment board with those individual topics as subforums. I like the idea of a general entertainment idea but I think splitting them up into multiple subforums isn't a good idea since it would just clutter up the forum with more subboards than are needed. |
MisterSaito said: Isn't this something that can be done already, without any structural change to the forums? I remember kei-clone did that in the 9/11 thread last year, which stopped all troll posts. Unless, of course, you're suggesting that it should be standard, if not mandatory, in which case it seems more of an internal modding debate. Basically, my point is, if a forum mod likes this idea, he/she could do it right away. Yeah. It would work better with a standard across all mods though, and perhaps with some fancy button to automatically append it (that last one is just my laziness speaking). Regardless, it's something any user might have something to note on. |
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Drunk_Samurai said: True sub forums are bad when misused. In this case they wouldn't be.llxwarbirdxll said: Music, Gaming, and Film boards can be one General Entertainment board with those individual topics as subforums. I like the idea of a general entertainment idea but I think splitting them up into multiple subforums isn't a good idea since it would just clutter up the forum with more subboards than are needed. Think of it like this: You walk on to a street where all these "rooms" are, let's call it entertainment avenue for now. You then decide you want to talk about a movie, where would you go? My guess would be the theatre/cinema ;) Also, I'm all for "This user was banned for this post"-thing. Even if Xinil doesn't implement some automated feature for it ;P ( For those intrested I made some changes to my version of the forum structure ) |
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| I think a big factor that needs to be realised is the type of 'people' that are using forums on an Anime site. Anime fans in general are immature and childish, myself included of course. All the stuff that you want to tighten rules against and not see at all are things that are second nature to people into this kind of stuff. Sure thread quality is very lacking but what more do you expect? If you want a nice looking, very mature area to post and discuss I personally think you're a fool for looking to an anime forum and almost the internet as a whole for such a thing. It's like trying to drown a fish. More moderation would just lead to a barren wasteland of deleted threads and barely anything to post in. (and yes thats a little overboard of a statement) I say live and let live with the community that you've decided to associate yourself with. While still keeping a tight grip on extreme cases (excessive trolling/flaming/porn/all that other jazz thats against the rules) Also, I do support the restructure/renaming of some of the forums. |
kinoholicAug 10, 2010 10:34 PM
| Renaming would help heaps, you know. |
| Thor got deleted... D: |
| Someone really ought to bring this thread to the attention of Xinil. I sent a PM two weeks ago, but I guess he didn't get to reading it. |
| He usually read the suggestion forum. At least that's what he say. |
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| The best suggestion I've seen on these forums in a long time. |
| We need a coup d'état before we're ever going to get a better anything, methinks. |
| Only viable "coup" is to buy the website lol :P |
apple said: Yeah, good luck with that!Only viable "coup" is to buy the website lol :P Also I hope you have a few VERY powerful servers laying around if you do decide to buy it. Because it needs the processing power (and not bacause of it's size) . . . But honestly, Xinil isn't impossible. He just needs some persuasion, is all. And although Crave bought the site he's still the only developer... |
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| Yo, I have another "suggestion" How about we make the forum .. itouch/iphone friendly or you know those thingumajigs thta people can view easily online through their mobile phones. |
| Thor got deleted... D: |
| Hm. Seems quoting doesn't work now. @ Noobie: You ain't gonna need it! so don't ask for it. @ the coup d'état people: Just use another site. No really, this is one out of dozen sites that offer the service of maintaining your anime list. If you hate it, nobody is keeping you here. You also have a nice and very functional (well, hopefully still functional) exporting option for your list. And the MAL format is pretty much the de facto standard at this point, so no worries there. You could also make your own site for what it's worth; though keep in mind, contrary to what you may think, "overnight success takes years". |
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Noobie said: Yo, I have another "suggestion" How about we make the forum .. itouch/iphone friendly or you know those thingumajigs thta people can view easily online through their mobile phones. I was thinking about this earlier, something like the facebook app, also, I support these changes, apart from the post count, just as Yves says, it is a help to people to learn more about a user, and I believe the Users on this site are mature enough not to raise their count by making random posts ;) |
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OtonashiYuzuru said: Noobie said: Yo, I have another "suggestion" How about we make the forum .. itouch/iphone friendly or you know those thingumajigs thta people can view easily online through their mobile phones. I was thinking about this earlier, something like the facebook app, also, I support these changes, apart from the post count, just as Yves says, it is a help to people to learn more about a user, and I believe the Users on this site are mature enough not to raise their count by making random posts ;) http://myanimelist.net/forum/?action=stats Have fun believing. |
Yves said: llxwarbirdxll said: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?action=stats Have fun believing. The top few ones are glitches, of course. But stricter rules can deal with the rest. A system could be made (unless it already exists) that suspends a user's IP for a week if he makes 5 stupid posts. Then if he comes back and makes 5 more stupid posts, it can suspend that user for a month. Something along the lines of that. And increased moderating will make this more efficient. Just a thought. :) Those are not glitches. |
Yves said: llxwarbirdxll said: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?action=stats Have fun believing. The top few ones are glitches, of course. But stricter rules can deal with the rest. A system could be made (unless it already exists) that suspends a user's IP for a week if he makes 5 stupid posts. Then if he comes back and makes 5 more stupid posts, it can suspend that user for a month. Something along the lines of that. And increased moderating will make this more efficient. Just a thought. :) Those are not glitches. Ah. The irony that is MAL. |
Drunk_SamuraiAug 25, 2010 9:57 AM
| This thread is proof Xinil hates us. |
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LolitaDecay said: This thread is proof Xinil hates us. Just you. I've yet to read the entirety of this thread, so I'm not sure on the consensus yet. But, I'm for the changes proposed. Will discuss with the mods. |
Xinil said: Will discuss with the mods. While you're at it you should teach a couple of the mods a lesson in modding since there are some that desperately need to learn how to not be biased and such in their job. |
Xinil said: LolitaDecay said: This thread is proof Xinil hates us. Just you. I've yet to read the entirety of this thread, so I'm not sure on the consensus yet. But, I'm for the changes proposed. Will discuss with the mods. I hope you take action on this Xinil. :) |
| I support the renaming of stuff, especially spam, more and more. That way mods stop dumping horrible threads into spam and just outright delete them. |
| I’ll like to say do not know how to doing the coding for forum hence there may be some limitations in the revamp I mention. But that aside hopefully you will find my post useful. - "Like" button on comments/replies I believe everybody knows this button. And it helps in discerning which comments are “useful”. Of course it is a bias indicator but hopefully with that we can push the “popular” post of the topic higher. This should help in discussion. On the moderators side, hopefully this can reduce the “I agree”, “+1” as people can click on the button instead of typing. As we are all signed in user, there can be a list of those who agree other than showing for example 9 people like this. Cons will be it can be abused which brings me to next point - How to link "Like" button to user profile I believe moderators will be able to see how many times the user clicks the like button. I won’t comment on how much is too much or what they can do to such user. On top of that this will also allow the moderator to view who post has been most “useful” and deserve a higher profile corner instead of basing on the number of post a person has. I guess this sound like the “agree with this review” button. On the user profile, we can even put the most recent better rated comment. I.e user has just commented in Welcome to all post etc. I am apprehensive about the dislike button so I will leave it out for now. I do not know how many of us read techcrunch but recently they roll out their new comments system using Disqus (it is free comment system for blog/publication). Though you can say techcrunch is more of blog but blogs at their best are like finely tuned forum (I quote). Anyway since it is a blog system I won’t say much however we can take note of its upcoming Disqus Analytic which will help in giving moderator more inside into the ppl using the sites (even the trolls) and how it allows people to log in from facebook and post comments. |
| Good suggestions, I support them. I woudn't remove the post count though. It's still a indication of how active a user is on the forum. On the other hand, I do support removing post count for posts in the spam forum. |
| This is MAL... not Facebook. Please don't confuse the two of them! |
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| So Xinil, has any consensus been reached in the last 20 days? |
| When is the forum going to be renovated? MAL's a good site and much better than its competitors but it has some broken features like unlimited user tracking of their own posts instead of one page. The forum search also is broken because it doesn't allow the user to search for their own posts in the anime and manga series discussions. |
| And another week has passed. I mean come on, if you don't feel like telling us that you can't be bothered to change anything, jus tell it us upfront instead of leaving this thread to die. At least there'd be a straighforward answer, Xin-chan. This may be a free service, but a 2 month wait from start to finish is stretching it a bit, even if the requested changes are quite big. After all, no one said that once you consent you directly have to implement all the changes at once. |
Sohei said: He drops by the suggestions board every once in a while to reject terrible ideas, and since he hasn't expressed any disapproval yet, even after several months of this being on the first page, you can pretty much take his silence as approval. Working on MAL is also his job, which he's being paid to do, so he's probably working on some stuff right now.And another week has passed. I mean come on, if you don't feel like telling us that you can't be bothered to change anything, jus tell it us upfront instead of leaving this thread to die. At least there'd be a straighforward answer, Xin-chan. This may be a free service, but a 2 month wait from start to finish is stretching it a bit, even if the requested changes are quite big. After all, no one said that once you consent you directly have to implement all the changes at once. |
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