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Apr 16, 2025 4:41 AM
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You should also post the unprepared statements he made on the official tbate discord, which boil down to "It's not my fault, it's the studio's fault that kicked me out" and "but I didn't make any money from the anime", you can read them here: https://www.reddit.com/r/tbatenovel/comments/1jyq4ca/turtleme_had_no_choice/

I'm copying and pasting the opinion I already gave in that thread:

This is just a bunch of bullshit:

1: In an interview with TurtleMe he stated that he personally chose the A-Cat studio (From a list of proposed studios, so maybe they were all bad, but unless it is revealed which other studios were, and it is unlikely since it is a contractual matter, you can't know).

2: He did not do a single bit of research on the studio, he stated that he chose it only because the representative of that studio (I don't remember the role, if director, or something else) said he had read TBATE.

3: He also stated that he was heavily involved in the project, along with the studio that was making it.

4: An author receives money when he licenses his """own""" story (usually either you accept a percentage of the proceeds, but it seems strange to me in this context since the anime doesn't make money directly, or you receive a fixed amount agreed upon, which is probably what they did) so the "I didn't earn money" is a huge lie.

5: Last but not least... I don't think they held a gun to his head to make him sign the contract, he had every right to refuse an adaptation he didn't consider adequate, if he signed it was out of stupidity or (more likely) greed/indifference.


Extra: Also, TurtleMe said months ago:
"It doesn't matter if the anime is bad, it will still attract new readers" (convenient, more money for his patreon)
Apr 16, 2025 5:45 AM
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So basically just people adapting this have no respect for source material whatsoever.
Boy, where did I saw that before...
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Apr 16, 2025 5:59 AM
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So basically just people adapting this have no respect for source material whatsoever.
Boy, where did I saw that before...
@Piromysl The first one who didn't care at all is """the author""" himself, he is clearly trying to put all the blame on a studio that he chose and that was proposed to him, along with others, together with a contract that he signed of his own free will.
Apr 16, 2025 6:03 AM
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People citing that interview to claim he chose the studio aren’t reading between the lines. It’s pretty clear that Crunchyroll and Tapas were the ones pulling all the strings, and they just handed it over to him to rubber-stamp. He was either going to let them make an anime adaptation for him or not get one at all—and of course, he wanted one.
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People citing that interview to claim he chose the studio aren’t reading between the lines. It’s pretty clear that Crunchyroll and Tapas were the ones pulling all the strings, and they just handed it over to him to rubber-stamp. He was either going to let them make an anime adaptation for him or not get one at all—and of course, he wanted one.
@SwagsOnB "People citing that interview to claim he personally chose the studio aren’t reading between the lines"

TurtleMe: I chose this studio from a list of proposed studios, because the representative had read tbate and because that way I could be more directly involved in the project.

In which part did you "read between the lines" Crunchyroll was the one primarily making the decisions and he just rubberstamped it" when he didn’t say anything like that?

Also, I repeat, he signed a contract to make the anime, no one forced him, he could have done something extremely simple, said "No" and wait, because an author who cares about his work would have done that, the only person who can gain an advantage from making such a horrible anime is TurtleMe himself, who surely hopes that other people will subscribe to his patreon (but honestly I hope the exact opposite happens)
Apr 16, 2025 6:55 AM
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@Geracchio I’ve watched the interview. He makes it clear that Crunchyroll came up with the list of studios, and the way he names the people involved in the selection “Crunchyroll, Tapas — and myself,” with intonation that the first two were the primary movers. And he said “what appealed to [us]” not “I picked them because.” You can tell he was trying to find PR positives to justify what is already a done deal.

Yes, he could’ve said no to an anime adaptation, but: 1) Tapas wanted it (you know, the guys who are making his webcomic?), and he has to satisfy them too; and 2) if he said no, he probably wouldn’t get an anime adaptation at all. Crunchyroll is the only one who could make it happen. If he turns them down, who else is going to get one made for him?
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Apr 16, 2025 8:17 AM
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The writer is a coward, she can't say she made a mistake and she made her own choice.
Apr 16, 2025 8:28 AM
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SwagsOnB said:
@Geracchio I’ve watched the interview. He makes it clear that Crunchyroll came up with the list of studios, and the way he names the people involved in the selection “Crunchyroll, Tapas — and myself,” with intonation that the first two were the primary movers. And he said “what appealed to [us]” not “I picked them because.” You can tell he was trying to find PR positives to justify what is already a done deal.

Yes, he could’ve said no to an anime adaptation, but: 1) Tapas wanted it (you know, the guys who are making his webcomic?), and he has to satisfy them too; and 2) if he said no, he probably wouldn’t get an anime adaptation at all. Crunchyroll is the only one who could make it happen. If he turns them down, who else is going to get one made for him?

I wouldn’t pay much mind to that guy, his hate boner for this series is throbbing and he’ll do anything to drag it and its author under the bus
Apr 16, 2025 8:42 AM
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@Geracchio I’ve watched the interview. He makes it clear that Crunchyroll came up with the list of studios, and the way he names the people involved in the selection “Crunchyroll, Tapas — and myself,” with intonation that the first two were the primary movers. And he said “what appealed to [us]” not “I picked them because.” You can tell he was trying to find PR positives to justify what is already a done deal.

Yes, he could’ve said no to an anime adaptation, but: 1) Tapas wanted it (you know, the guys who are making his webcomic?), and he has to satisfy them too; and 2) if he said no, he probably wouldn’t get an anime adaptation at all. Crunchyroll is the only one who could make it happen. If he turns them down, who else is going to get one made for him?
@SwagsOnB The order in which he said "crunchyroll, tapas, and me" has absolutely no hidden meaning, in the interview he says he chose the animation studio, maybe in one he said "me" and in another "we" (they are two interviews) but in any case it is irrelevant. You are overreading to justify TurtleMe.

The second point makes even less sense, an author always has the right to say "yes" or "no" before signing a contract regarding """his""" work, if he says "yes" he can certainly have limitations based on the contract accepted, but if he says "no" the only consequence is that nothing is done. "Tapas wanted it" 1: Source? 2: Even if it were true, so what? The worst they could do was not publish """his""" work anymore, losing a series that brings them a lot of users, Tapas had more to lose from something like that, and even if they were stupid enough as a company to do it a real author would have laughed in their face, and TurtleMe earns mainly from his patreon, he wouldn't have lost his main source of income either. "if he refused he wouldn't have had other opportunities" Of course, it seems like we are in the 80s, there is no netflix, amazon, or hundreds of smaller distribution houses that could offer him an alternative. Stop ignoring reality (or at least inform yourself first about how certain things work) and inventing comfortable interpretations just to justify a person who clearly only cares about money
Apr 16, 2025 8:47 AM
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SwagsOnB said:
@Geracchio I’ve watched the interview. He makes it clear that Crunchyroll came up with the list of studios, and the way he names the people involved in the selection “Crunchyroll, Tapas — and myself,” with intonation that the first two were the primary movers. And he said “what appealed to [us]” not “I picked them because.” You can tell he was trying to find PR positives to justify what is already a done deal.

Yes, he could’ve said no to an anime adaptation, but: 1) Tapas wanted it (you know, the guys who are making his webcomic?), and he has to satisfy them too; and 2) if he said no, he probably wouldn’t get an anime adaptation at all. Crunchyroll is the only one who could make it happen. If he turns them down, who else is going to get one made for him?

I wouldn’t pay much mind to that guy, his hate boner for this series is throbbing and he’ll do anything to drag it and its author under the bus
@Mando727 You want to ignore me? You are free to do so, but if you also ignore the reality and the childish statements that TurtleMe has made then there is a problem with your concept of "being a fan".
And my god, how the fuck do you think I would want someone dead just because I don't like what they do? What kind of reasoning do you follow? TurtleMe deserves fair consequences for her decisions? It seems obvious to me.
TurtleMe deserves to die? WTF?! No! That's not how the adult world works.
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@Mando727 You want to ignore me? You are free to do so, but if you also ignore the reality and the childish statements that TurtleMe has made then there is a problem with your concept of "being a fan".
And my god, how the fuck do you think I would want someone dead just because I don't like what they do? What kind of reasoning do you follow? TurtleMe deserves fair consequences for her decisions? It seems obvious to me.
TurtleMe deserves to die? WTF?! No! That's not how the adult world works.
@Geracchio Think you responded to the wrong guy

Unless you’re talking about my drag under the bus comment, in which case HOLY SHIT you’re an amazing troll, excuse any negative things I said about you, I bow down before your greatness
Apr 16, 2025 9:16 AM

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The writer is a coward, she can't say she made a mistake and she made her own choice.
@Glorfindel_B The writer is a guy.
Apr 16, 2025 9:21 AM
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@Geracchio Think you responded to the wrong guy

Unless you’re talking about my drag under the bus comment, in which case HOLY SHIT you’re an amazing troll, excuse any negative things I said about you, I bow down before your greatness
@Mando727 Oh well, you literally wrote "I wouldn’t pay much mind to that guy, his hate boner for this series is throbbing and he’ll do anything to drag it and its author under the bus" You took a comment, completely ignored what was written, in reference to the statements made by the author, and made a horrible statement just to amplify your opinion, no I did not write to the wrong person and my god, if you think that a person who thinks differently from you is a "troll" then I fully understand who I am talking to, I should not have even replied to you, I was honestly stupid to do so, I hope that one day you will mature enough to change this way of thinking.
Goodbye, and do not waste your time writing to me, I do not have time to respond further to those who do not want to have a dialogue but only have fun wasting their time and that of others.
Apr 16, 2025 10:00 AM

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This is actually hilarious. Just when you thought things couldn't get worse...

I had a quick look through that reddit post, and read through some comments saying things like they understand the author didn't have a choice, some fans asking for an apology, others saying that the author most likely isn't allowed to say much without crossing Tapas, but one thing really caught my eye.

The author basically said that yeah while this adaptation isn't living up to people's expectations, they hope that people continue to support the series, like in general, not necessarily the anime. And yeah you know I get where they're coming from. This show isn't the best, and fans are disappointed, but what about people who know nothing about this series and are coming in blind like me?

You could argue that this show at leasts lets people know that this series exists... But is that really a good thing? Do you really want people to learn about this series in this way?

Didn't the author say something along the lines of "it doesn't matter if the anime is bad, it will bring in more readers"?

As someone who went into the anime 100% blind, I could not care less about the comic or web novel, or anything related to this series rn. It just looks like another king reincarnation story, and I have zero desire to start reading the web novel.

Now the anime itself I thought was okay. Nothing like groundbreaking or even good, just okay, and tbh I'd rather watch just about anything else. I've got plenty more shows to watch on my list, and just other books to read. Why would I stick around past episode 3, or even bother picking up the web novel. Episode 3 has to be mind-blowing in order to keep me from dropping it. It has to raise my opinion from okay to good, but I just don't see that happening. I have no reason to keep watching or to look more into this series, and it would take a lot to convince me to keep watching, and even more to check out the web novel.

Yes, this series is talked about a lot now, but not in a positive light, and a lot more people know it exists now, but I think there's a good chunk of people like me who have been steered away from anything related to this now...
Apr 16, 2025 10:14 AM

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It's Basically Getting a Dragon Ball Evolution Treatment. LOL.
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The writer is a coward, she can't say she made a mistake and she made her own choice.
@Glorfindel_B He* ....(just, wanted to correct it)
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Apr 16, 2025 11:50 AM

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Finihed solo leveling 2nd season and thought this will be the next anime adapted from manhwalike solo leveling. But the art and everything looks B grade compared to solo leveling which is SSS grade
Apr 16, 2025 9:32 PM

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To me, this feels more of a PR statement, asking fans to stop bugging him with petitions and stuff
Apr 16, 2025 10:10 PM
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Piromysl said:
So basically just people adapting this have no respect for source material whatsoever.
Boy, where did I saw that before...

I would say there's not enough evidence for that...for now saying that the studio chosen wasn't capable of handling a show of this caliber and author didn't do their due diligence is what I think
Apr 16, 2025 11:48 PM
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This is actually hilarious. Just when you thought things couldn't get worse...

I had a quick look through that reddit post, and read through some comments saying things like they understand the author didn't have a choice, some fans asking for an apology, others saying that the author most likely isn't allowed to say much without crossing Tapas, but one thing really caught my eye.

The author basically said that yeah while this adaptation isn't living up to people's expectations, they hope that people continue to support the series, like in general, not necessarily the anime. And yeah you know I get where they're coming from. This show isn't the best, and fans are disappointed, but what about people who know nothing about this series and are coming in blind like me?

You could argue that this show at leasts lets people know that this series exists... But is that really a good thing? Do you really want people to learn about this series in this way?

Didn't the author say something along the lines of "it doesn't matter if the anime is bad, it will bring in more readers"?

As someone who went into the anime 100% blind, I could not care less about the comic or web novel, or anything related to this series rn. It just looks like another king reincarnation story, and I have zero desire to start reading the web novel.

Now the anime itself I thought was okay. Nothing like groundbreaking or even good, just okay, and tbh I'd rather watch just about anything else. I've got plenty more shows to watch on my list, and just other books to read. Why would I stick around past episode 3, or even bother picking up the web novel. Episode 3 has to be mind-blowing in order to keep me from dropping it. It has to raise my opinion from okay to good, but I just don't see that happening. I have no reason to keep watching or to look more into this series, and it would take a lot to convince me to keep watching, and even more to check out the web novel.

Yes, this series is talked about a lot now, but not in a positive light, and a lot more people know it exists now, but I think there's a good chunk of people like me who have been steered away from anything related to this now...
@Alkimia Honestly, this anime was basically a "commercial operation" to get people talking about the series, the author doesn't care if people talk badly about it (yes, he actually said the sentence you quoted, I think a few months before the anime came out) he cares that people talk about it and that some curious people start reading it and join his patreon (maybe I'm wrong, but seeing his attitude it seems like that's the goal, no respectable author would have accepted a similar adaptation, if not for publicity)
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the fans deserve this btw
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he's crazy for going to Sakura con I hope his unhinged fans don't take their anger out on the author and harass him
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The comments in this thread are more entertaining than the anime.
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he's crazy for going to Sakura con I hope his unhinged fans don't take their anger out on the author and harass him
@Ambeon isn't that basically why he made that Reddit post? He's going to Sakura Con soon, and who knows how that's going to turn out. I can't wait to read about it lol

@KingYoshi you're not wrong lmao it's been pretty fun to see fans of the series have a meltdown. My favorite comments are the ones begging for a remake, despite this not even being closed to finished airing, and those idiots who started that whole petition mess which amounted to nothing.
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So basically just people adapting this have no respect for source material whatsoever.
Boy, where did I saw that before...
@Piromysl even the author himself didn't care lol. I'm sure he's really happy when the fans told everyone who doesn't like the anime to read the novel or comic. I mean, if you just gonna read the adaptation source instead of watching it then what's the point of releasing an anime '-')
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@Piromysl even the author himself didn't care lol. I'm sure he's really happy when the fans told everyone who doesn't like the anime to read the novel or comic. I mean, if you just gonna read the adaptation source instead of watching it then what's the point of releasing an anime '-')
@Fuyudesuwa And consider that he himself said, months before, that "even if a horrible anime is made, it will still attract new readers"...convenient, considering that his main earnings come from a patreon.
To be honest, anime are made mainly as advertising for the original manga/novel, or for marketing...But there is a difference between making an anime just for advertising, and making an anime also to make a worthy adaptation for the fans or because you want to see your series transposed well...I guess you can understand by yourself what type this anime belongs to
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@Fuyudesuwa And consider that he himself said, months before, that "even if a horrible anime is made, it will still attract new readers"...convenient, considering that his main earnings come from a patreon.
To be honest, anime are made mainly as advertising for the original manga/novel, or for marketing...But there is a difference between making an anime just for advertising, and making an anime also to make a worthy adaptation for the fans or because you want to see your series transposed well...I guess you can understand by yourself what type this anime belongs to
@Geracchio yeah, but i've even seen many good anime that's just supposed to be an advertisment for the original novel. Like Black Bullet, it's a good example for this term because it's well animated and have a well written story. Too bad the author gave up and let the novel hanging...
I know Black Bullet got an amazing studio adapting it, but still it's better in term of story. But as for tbate, even if ufotable animates this, i don't think i'm willing to watch because the story progress just wasn't my cup of tea. I've read the comic and well, i just can't bring myself continue reading it after i reach the Elf village arc...
Too boring, and if someone told me to keep reading it because it'll be good eventually. I can't wait that long, i don't even feel attached to the characters in the story🫠🫠
I just want to say sorry, but it's in fact too overrated...
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@Geracchio yeah, but i've even seen many good anime that's just supposed to be an advertisment for the original novel. Like Black Bullet, it's a good example for this term because it's well animated and have a well written story. Too bad the author gave up and let the novel hanging...
I know Black Bullet got an amazing studio adapting it, but still it's better in term of story. But as for tbate, even if ufotable animates this, i don't think i'm willing to watch because the story progress just wasn't my cup of tea. I've read the comic and well, i just can't bring myself continue reading it after i reach the Elf village arc...
Too boring, and if someone told me to keep reading it because it'll be good eventually. I can't wait that long, i don't even feel attached to the characters in the story🫠🫠
I just want to say sorry, but it's in fact too overrated...
@Fuyudesuwa It's the same for me
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It's actually appalling how little respect this author has for his own work, but each to their own. If he doesn't respect it, then no one else needs to either. I would never support the author after watching this, and seeing the comments made.
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It still beat a bunch of other anime in popularity, at least on MAL. So it's a big success, at least for those who made it with a low budget. And let's be honest, it's not easy to choose between "no anime at all", and "anime with low tier quality". This is just an English-original webnovel to begin with, the fact that it received an anime is already a miracle. Even top stories like OPM, Promised Neverland, or masterpiece-tier visual novels like Muv Luv Alternative fail to get quality adaptations or get one for just one season (which in some sense is even worse). Many amazing stories don't have an adaptation and never will (at least not until AI animation gets to another whole level). The chances of some decent studio animating this story were pretty non-existent.
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It still beat a bunch of other anime in popularity, at least on MAL. So it's a big success, at least for those who made it with a low budget. And let's be honest, it's not easy to choose between "no anime at all", and "anime with low tier quality". This is just an English-original webnovel to begin with, the fact that it received an anime is already a miracle. Even top stories like OPM, Promised Neverland, or masterpiece-tier visual novels like Muv Luv Alternative fail to get quality adaptations or get one for just one season (which in some sense is even worse). Many amazing stories don't have an adaptation and never will (at least not until AI animation gets to another whole level). The chances of some decent studio animating this story were pretty non-existent.
@MyOwnGod 1: "No anime" is better than "horrible anime" (and for an author who values ​​his work and not just how much he can earn from advertising, the choice between the two is very simple)
2: "the chances of a good animation studio animating it were non-existent" according to what reasoning? And then there were other better animation studios that were interested in the project, but TurtleMe ignored them and chose A-Cat himself.
3: "the fact that it got an anime is already a miracle" There were many other possibilities for adaptation, we are not in the 80's anymore

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