What happened to the beggars?

Apr 5, 10:25 AM

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They were used to make the manuscript that Schmidt and his crew stole at the start of the third arc.
I don't see any reason for them to stick around beyond that.

Apr 5, 10:36 AM

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I'm assuming after they served their roles for the manuscript they were taken under the church's wing as charity. Probably not provided with living quarters, but have probably been provided bread and clean water.

Apr 5, 11:43 AM

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Wwin said:

Mayvid14 said:
At the end of Badeni and Oczy's arc, we see many beggars who have the whole text of the book tattooed on their scalps. What happened to them? It really seemed like a very crucial plot point, but in the end it didn't mattered. In the anime at least, they are never shown or mentioned after that.

Well the book from last arc was written using their heads wasn't it? What more do you want.

I don't think it was directly mentioned, was it? But that would make sense considering that all materials were burnt and draka didn't survive to pass on what she remembered.

Apr 5, 11:46 AM

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certifiedbinger said:
They were used to make the manuscript that Schmidt and his crew stole at the start of the third arc.
I don't see any reason for them to stick around beyond that.

I must have missed this point. Since the original from Rafael was burnt, the manuscript they stole must have been made using them.

Apr 5, 12:06 PM

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Mayvid14 said:

certifiedbinger said:
They were used to make the manuscript that Schmidt and his crew stole at the start of the third arc.
I don't see any reason for them to stick around beyond that.

I must have missed this point. Since the original from Rafael was burnt, the manuscript they stole must have been made using them.

I can see why you're confused, because they never really spell it out for you, you're supposed to simply put it together yourself.

Rafal and his chest along with all of Badeni's research was destroyed, yes. All that was left was Oczy's book/journal about heliocentrism, which Badeni got the beggars to print on their heads as a last resort. Badeni's fellow clergyman found them, and was probably the one who created that manuscript by copying the text on the beggars' heads.
After that, the book was simply in the church's possession until Schmidt stole it. You're free to imagine how they got it, but I'd probably guess it was confiscated from Badeni's colleague.

This is another thing I really liked about the show; even though all the hard facts and calculations of the theory were burnt, Oczy's feelings and basic understanding of the theory and its beauty were passed down instead. Even that was enough to keep the theory alive.

Apr 5, 12:33 PM

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Badeni was sneaking peeks at what Okchi was writing in his book, and whenever Okchi finished a page, Badeni would go and tattoo that page onto the heads of the beggars—otherwise, there wouldn’t have been enough time. Okchi, despite the fact that "a couple of months ago" he didn’t know how to write at all, somehow managed to create a book without any mistakes and never had to rewrite or reformat his entries. Because of this, Badeni didn’t have to get rid of the beggar and take new one during the operation. Later, the book was rewritten off-screen, and the beggars were instantly forgotten—they were only needed for that one cliffhanger. Essentially, Badeni could’ve just asked them to hold onto the book for a couple of weeks and then brought it to the church, but then there would be no symbolism..

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Apr 5, 10:21 PM

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they had their scalps peeled off and bound together to make oczys book

Apr 5, 10:25 PM

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well, beggars can't be choosers

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Apr 6, 12:53 AM

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OrigamistToo said:
Badeni was sneaking peeks at what Okchi was writing in his book, and whenever Okchi finished a page, Badeni would go and tattoo that page onto the heads of the beggars—otherwise, there wouldn’t have been enough time. Okchi, despite the fact that "a couple of months ago" he didn’t know how to write at all, somehow managed to create a book without any mistakes and never had to rewrite or reformat his entries. Because of this, Badeni didn’t have to get rid of the beggar and take new one during the operation. Later, the book was rewritten off-screen, and the beggars were instantly forgotten—they were only needed for that one cliffhanger. Essentially, Badeni could’ve just asked them to hold onto the book for a couple of weeks and then brought it to the church, but then there would be no symbolism..

Them having a book would be too risky, but they could grow hair and hide the pages. Original Oczy's book was destroyed (if I remember right), so we don't know if Badeni didn't "improve" it, aka corrected mistakes (he probably did).

Also, let's not forget Badeni was a tsundere. He didn't want Oczy to notice he cared about their "little adventure" too

Apr 6, 1:07 AM

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Badeni was sneaking peeks at what Okchi was writing in his book, and whenever Okchi finished a page, Badeni would go and tattoo that page onto the heads of the beggars—otherwise, there wouldn’t have been enough time. Okchi, despite the fact that "a couple of months ago" he didn’t know how to write at all, somehow managed to create a book without any mistakes and never had to rewrite or reformat his entries. Because of this, Badeni didn’t have to get rid of the beggar and take new one during the operation. Later, the book was rewritten off-screen, and the beggars were instantly forgotten—they were only needed for that one cliffhanger. Essentially, Badeni could’ve just asked them to hold onto the book for a couple of weeks and then brought it to the church, but then there would be no symbolism..

Them having a book would be too risky, but they could grow hair and hide the pages. Original Oczy's book was destroyed (if I remember right), so we don't know if Badeni didn't "improve" it, aka corrected mistakes (he probably did).

Also, let's not forget Badeni was a tsundere. He didn't want Oczy to notice he cared about their "little adventure" too

@Baranka02 Which is riskier: a plan involving 60 people who then have to lay low for a month to avoid being noticed, or simply asking one more-or-less reliable beggar to hold the book? Not to mention the poverty, hunger, and unsanitary conditions they’re dealing with, plus the fact that gangrene from a head tattoo isn’t exactly off the table. Although it would be funny to watch that priest gloomily dig up from the graves those who have died in these few months. Why the homeless people even agreed to this in the first place is another thing the author conveniently left unexplained. And then Yolenta recognized Okchi in the book, not Badeni.

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Apr 6, 1:29 AM

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OrigamistToo said:
@Baranka02 Which is riskier: a plan involving 60 people who then have to lay low for a month to avoid being noticed, or simply asking one more-or-less reliable beggar to hold the book? Not to mention the poverty, hunger, and unsanitary conditions they’re dealing with, plus the fact that gangrene from a head tattoo isn’t exactly off the table. Although it would be funny to watch that priest gloomily dig up from the graves those who have died in these few months. Why the homeless people even agreed to this in the first place is another thing the author conveniently left unexplained. And then Yolenta recognized Okchi in the book, not Badeni.

Riskier was them having a book. They said they covered their heads all the time and how many people look under the caps of beggars. If somebody had noticed a book with one of them, that would make people suspicious as we know, probably most, if not all, of the beggars were illiterates. And as somebody said, beggars can't be choosers. They agreed for food. Badeni agreed that Oczy would continue to bring them food, even his (Badeni's) share. He also told them to search for Grabowski if Oczy stopped coming.

And I like to believe that Badeni also instructed them in case one of them dying to scalp the dead so the pages won't be missing.

Apr 6, 1:56 AM

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@Baranka02 Which is riskier: a plan involving 60 people who then have to lay low for a month to avoid being noticed, or simply asking one more-or-less reliable beggar to hold the book? Not to mention the poverty, hunger, and unsanitary conditions they’re dealing with, plus the fact that gangrene from a head tattoo isn’t exactly off the table. Although it would be funny to watch that priest gloomily dig up from the graves those who have died in these few months. Why the homeless people even agreed to this in the first place is another thing the author conveniently left unexplained. And then Yolenta recognized Okchi in the book, not Badeni.

Riskier was them having a book. They said they covered their heads all the time and how many people look under the caps of beggars. If somebody had noticed a book with one of them, that would make people suspicious as we know, probably most, if not all, of the beggars were illiterates. And as somebody said, beggars can't be choosers. They agreed for food. Badeni agreed that Oczy would continue to bring them food, even his (Badeni's) share. He also told them to search for Grabowski if Oczy stopped coming.

And I like to believe that Badeni also instructed them in case one of them dying to scalp the dead so the pages won't be missing.

@Baranka02 Why would they even need to carry the book with them? They could’ve just left it somewhere in their basement and been done with it. Plus, a single homeless guy with a book is way less noticeable than 60 bald men in hats during the summer. Just the fact that the beggars only showed up for Grobowski weeks later makes it clear they weren’t exactly starving to death down there.

Yet, the story tells us that Badeni managed to convince 60 people to shave their heads, endure a humiliating and painful tattooing process, and then stay silent and hide in a basement for over a month—all for a loaf of bread. Meanwhile, earlier in the plot, we had a group of 10 highly motivated soldiers in white, and even among them, there was a traitor. But here, we’ve got 60 people, plus however many other homeless folks were around, and apparently, none of them found anything suspicious about this degrading ritual, nor did they try to tell anyone about it.

Maybe the author just thinks of the homeless as background props, standing in a T-pose in the basement whenever no one’s looking. And how wealthy were these disgraced priests, anyway, that they could afford to support 60+ homeless people for months?

Apr 6, 4:46 AM

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OrigamistToo said:
@Baranka02 Why would they even need to carry the book with them? They could’ve just left it somewhere in their basement and been done with it. Plus, a single homeless guy with a book is way less noticeable than 60 bald men in hats during the summer. Just the fact that the beggars only showed up for Grobowski weeks later makes it clear they weren’t exactly starving to death down there.

Yet, the story tells us that Badeni managed to convince 60 people to shave their heads, endure a humiliating and painful tattooing process, and then stay silent and hide in a basement for over a month—all for a loaf of bread. Meanwhile, earlier in the plot, we had a group of 10 highly motivated soldiers in white, and even among them, there was a traitor. But here, we’ve got 60 people, plus however many other homeless folks were around, and apparently, none of them found anything suspicious about this degrading ritual, nor did they try to tell anyone about it.

Maybe the author just thinks of the homeless as background props, standing in a T-pose in the basement whenever no one’s looking. And how wealthy were these disgraced priests, anyway, that they could afford to support 60+ homeless people for months?

No, leaving it in a dump basement could risk it getting moldy or burned as a firewood, and the whole plan would be destroyed with it. It is normal for beggars to wear clothes even if it's hot outside. Firstly, because that is what people were doing back in medieval times. Oczy is working in full blazing sun and still he doesn't take off his clothes and its known the climate was colder back then. Secondly, you still can see homeless people wearing jackets in summer. I don't think you understand what people can endure and do for the hope of getting to live another day. They did beg on streets, but that doesn't mean they got enough to eat even once a day. What Oczy and Badeni did was to give them that, that constant hope that they would eat something. The beggars went to Grabowski after a few weeks because Badeni told them to wait until they felt like they couldn't wait more from hunger.

Even if the beggars told somebody of the tattoos/book what benefits would they get? A few coins that would last for a week or even nothing and getting fed for weeks everyday was more profitable for them. Badeni calculated everything. So I don't agree with you at all. It's realistic. Even nowadays people humiliate themselves for money even out of greed so getting tattooed by a weird monk for food is not that bad.

Apr 6, 7:47 AM

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OrigamistToo said:
@Baranka02 Why would they even need to carry the book with them? They could’ve just left it somewhere in their basement and been done with it. Plus, a single homeless guy with a book is way less noticeable than 60 bald men in hats during the summer. Just the fact that the beggars only showed up for Grobowski weeks later makes it clear they weren’t exactly starving to death down there.

Yet, the story tells us that Badeni managed to convince 60 people to shave their heads, endure a humiliating and painful tattooing process, and then stay silent and hide in a basement for over a month—all for a loaf of bread. Meanwhile, earlier in the plot, we had a group of 10 highly motivated soldiers in white, and even among them, there was a traitor. But here, we’ve got 60 people, plus however many other homeless folks were around, and apparently, none of them found anything suspicious about this degrading ritual, nor did they try to tell anyone about it.

Maybe the author just thinks of the homeless as background props, standing in a T-pose in the basement whenever no one’s looking. And how wealthy were these disgraced priests, anyway, that they could afford to support 60+ homeless people for months?

No, leaving it in a dump basement could risk it getting moldy or burned as a firewood, and the whole plan would be destroyed with it. It is normal for beggars to wear clothes even if it's hot outside. Firstly, because that is what people were doing back in medieval times. Oczy is working in full blazing sun and still he doesn't take off his clothes and its known the climate was colder back then. Secondly, you still can see homeless people wearing jackets in summer. I don't think you understand what people can endure and do for the hope of getting to live another day. They did beg on streets, but that doesn't mean they got enough to eat even once a day. What Oczy and Badeni did was to give them that, that constant hope that they would eat something. The beggars went to Grabowski after a few weeks because Badeni told them to wait until they felt like they couldn't wait more from hunger.

Even if the beggars told somebody of the tattoos/book what benefits would they get? A few coins that would last for a week or even nothing and getting fed for weeks everyday was more profitable for them. Badeni calculated everything. So I don't agree with you at all. It's realistic. Even nowadays people humiliate themselves for money even out of greed so getting tattooed by a weird monk for food is not that bad.

@Baranka02 Well, just recently in the plot, a chest with books stood in the forest for 10 years and nothing happened to its contents, and here you’re worried about one book. Even so, it’d be strange if Badeni, who managed to convince 60+ beggars to keep their mouths shut, couldn’t convince one reliable person to hide a single book. He could’ve hidden that little book on the street in his rags, stuffed it in his underwear, for example. The weirdness isn’t that people wear clothes, but that 60 people with hair suddenly went bald and started wearing hats. Surely no rumors would spread about that, and no one would want to check it out.

People can endure a lot for hope, but what kind of hope could one Okchi give to 60+ people by bringing them half, and then a bit more, of his ration? And for that, they’d agree to a head tattoo from a half-blind priest in a damp basement with a 50% chance of a painful death from blood poisoning? Or do you think Badeni’s a secret oligarch—something the story never showed us—who could support 60+ beggars for months? If so, we’re talking about a stream of dozens of loaves of bread flowing into the slums daily, and that’s something absolutely anyone would notice. The Inquisition, which was investigating Badeni, would definitely wonder why he became the main customer at the local bakery. Or maybe the author thought beggars eat like sparrows and a couple of loaves were enough for all of them.

Yeah, they could’ve blabbed without any benefit—60 people, after all. One of them could’ve gone to beg at a church and taken off his hat at the entrance. Another could’ve fallen asleep on the street, and his hat could’ve slipped off. Passersby could’ve noticed something odd, told others, and the rumors would’ve reached the church. There are tons of possibilities.

Well, Badeni’s plan relied solely on a miracle, hoping the stars would align again and none of the above would happen. And by the way, no one’s going to scalp their dead friend to hand it over to a stranger, even if they’re promised a loaf of bread for it.

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