Excuse the language, but no consequences my ass!!!

APolygons2 said:
I'm going to call all of you out on this. if there is a single person who believed you and dropped the show because of it, I hate you for it.

dior said:
all rapist deserve death nothing  less you freak

ZenielDanaku said:

I watched the last episode because I wanted to watch Robin die, and I thought that Maru was goint to kill him. I'm a bit ambivalent because he did got a deserved beating, but in my opinion he deserves worse than that (Maru said he is going to kill him if he sees Robin again).

vextaaw said:
If you go far enough to using comas and dots use capital letters as well ;)

APolygons2 said:


i would if i wanted to really pay attention to detail, but this is a random forum post.

why did 8 use coma and dots then?

it makes text easier to read. capitals on the other hand don't really affect anything.

vextaaw said:

Sorry man :/
I was just kidding and I actually agreed with the purport of your post!

ren_moon said:
I haven't read the manga, but why are people saying that the anime depiction "didn't feel like a rape scene"? lmao, I felt uncomfortable enough just watching it as it was, wtf... How more graphic did the scene need to be so these dumb people may understand that they were "more or less" trying to depict a rape scene?

About Kiruko moving on so quickly after that, yeah, I agree, it was not very believable, especially considering that finding Robin was one of their main goals, and rape is... well, a touchy subject to say the least. I like the series, but if the idea was to make Kiruko feeling disappointed after meeting again the guy that they used to admire, the author didn't need to include a shocking scene just for the sake of being shocking.

APolygons2 said:
the anime was actually more disturbing and felt more like a real rape scene imo.

the manga had a lot more nudity, which made it more graphic, but I had a whole post about why imo that made it less disturbing or impactful.

I personally don't see the difference between a character dying, suicide, or rape. none of these are good, in the grand scheme of things, to be rape is actually not the most disturbing thing in the show. but whatever.

from episode 2 we see that she is the type of character that get over her emotions very fast, or at least pretends to do so, because she has had learned to do that in order to survive. I think it makes sense for her character to not be completely traumatized by something like this.

ren_moon said:
I get that Kiruko has to show themself as a strong person in order to survive against supernatural beings and thugs that appear on a daily basis in front of them and Maru, but it doesn't matter how reckless they are. If one day someone meets again the person that they used to consider their hero and haven't seen in years, but this person suddenly decides to lock them up and take advantage of their vulnerability, I don't think that this would be an event that can be overcome in an afternoon crying by the river. I'm not saying that Kiruko has to be shown living traumatized for the rest of the series, but at least develop a little further the impact of having to survive such a terrible personal event. I know it's fiction, it doesn't have to be realistic, but at least credible to connect with the character; that would enrich them more.

Of course deaths, dismemberment and such are not nice things either, but they are kinda expected in an action show like this, so it's only natural to watch the protagonists moving on as if nothing happened. Despite its shortcomings, I find the writing excellent, and that's why I feel so bummed that the rape scene was not only unexpected, but feels so gratuitous and shallow.

Raafalga said:
Rape was just used as shock value / fetish fuel. That's why people are angry (and were angry when it happened in the manga as well). It made things worse when the character herself got over it in 30 min after being raped for 2 days straight. It added nothing to the story and has no lasting effects.
No, identity crisis was already a thing way before this. Author just has no idea about sexual assault (looks like you as well) and its consequences and let his fetish materialized out of nowhere.

ren_moon said:
Of course deaths, dismemberment and such are not nice things either, but they are kinda expected in an action show like this, so it's only natural to watch the protagonists moving on as if nothing happened. Despite its shortcomings, I find the writing excellent, and that's why I feel so bummed that the rape scene was not only unexpected, but feels so gratuitous and shallow.

APolygons2 said:
BITCH, the man almost got beaten to death, and she had multiple identity reflection moments in the 1.1 episodes since it happened.

rvdboom said:
In Episode 8, Maru killed a woman. Willingly. With his own hands. He's 15.
As you can imagine, he's probably traumatized by it. If a 15 years old boy would have to turn off the life-support systems keeping alive a sick person in terminal phase, he sure would be.
Yet no one, not a single person complained that he moved on quickly. That he remained carefree with Kiruko. That no real sign of his trauma was visible.
Which doesn't mean that there isn't. That's certainly one of the reasons why Kiruko stopped him from killing Robin. Because she already knew about is trauma from this first one.
This shows that people have double standards. Me included. And that's pretty interesting to realize this and wonder "why on earth do I accept this easily but not that".
The problem is not the story or the writing, it's the watcher. And that's how good this story is, how well it manipulates us.

-David- said:


You clearly didn't read the manga content for this episode.The anime cesored a lot, it almost didn't feel like R scene but to walk off just like that, like nothing happened(especially considering that the R-scene isn't brought in discussion for a very long time in the manga) is plain stupid.It doesn't matter what type of character she is, it almost looks like the mangaka used this scene for shock value.

FreezePeach said:

Note that he talks about sex with Kiruko as an experiment. It seems to be related to his/her identity. And what do you know - in two days Kiruko suddenly started to gain her sister's memory. I don't think it was a coincidence.

APolygons2 said:
 omfg....

I was thinking the affect on her was too subtle and since this isn't your average shounen where you can hear every thought of every character, nobody noticed.

but if she starts gaining her memory back after this, that's....


damn it I'm angry again. are people genuinely this stupid?

FreezePeach said:
What do you mean?

Robin was investigating the doctor, apparently the only guy capable to perform brain implants, he says "Sakota could definitely do it". He experiments with people and monsters. If someone were to experiment with Kiruko's strange case, it would be him. That's exactly what Robin claims to do. There is a result which Kuriko seem to like a lot. And Kuriko doesn't seem to be angry with Robin. She never says a bad word about him and keeps wearing "his" jacket. It all just fits together.

I think it is much easier to explain character actions if you think about the author's intentions. Trying to analyze character's actions themselves is mostly pointless - they are not real. They act as the story demands.

I read reddit and one guy wrote a long psychological essay about Kiruko. It is fair to expect some level of truthiness from a character, but thinking that an author actually models it to this extent is madness. He has to write the story and draw about a page of manga every single day.

There are at least two good explanations why Kiruko is not affected much. The author may not consider it such a big deal - it is a seinen manga after all. And the second is - the author tricked us to jump to wrong conclusions like he did from the very beginning. There are many signs that this is mostly the latter.

APolygons2 said:
I am so angry at you god damn liars!!

not that I ever believed you, but shame on all of your.

for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, there was a whole ass group of manga readers that kept saying the R scene is going to get the show cancelled due to how bad and random it is. it didn't. most people saw it as a disturbing scene, and the episode wasn't really called terrible outside of a very small minority.

but those damn potatoes would not give up!!

now their excuse was, it's inconsequential, robin doesn't get punished and she never changes as a result of it.

BITCH, the man almost got beaten to death, and she had multiple identity reflection moments in the 1.1 episodes since it happened. 

I'm going to call all of you out on this. if there is a single person who believed you and dropped the show because of it, I hate you for it.





sorry for the rant, imma now go review anime of the season now.

Nilav26 said:
They didn't totally lie tbh. The rape scene was worse in the manga. The anime handled it well. And in the manga, Maru punched Robin once but in anime they made Maru hit him multiple times and the execution was perfect. It's not like they lied rather the anime made it better than the manga. IG production is a genius in handling situations like this with anime original scenes.

ren_moon said:
But Maru didn't really know the person in question, and everyone agreed that ending her suffering was the best choice. Sorry, but I don't get the comparison of this to a quest for a childhood hero, at any cost, only to end with him raping you. Anyway, it may be too early to judge whether this event really affected Kiruko or not. I'm planning to read the manga someday soon, but I hope that the author has given more depth to the effects of this event.

APolygons2 said:
well, it only glanced at the manga, so I wouldn't know, and frankly I don't care.

the fact that you have to resort to "the manga was different" proves you admit in the anime it's not.

and honestly, that's all that matters.

Charisma88 said:
who care about this scene
This anime is MID anyways 🤷

rvdboom said:
I'm not talking about the event itself.
I'm talking about how people complain about the lack of visible trauma in one case and not in the other.

ren_moon said:
And I'm saying that the circumstances have nothing in common, and it is perfectly understandable why the first event is easier to assimilate than the second one, and therefore less traumatic.

ren_moon said:
And I'm saying that the circumstances have nothing in common, and it is perfectly understandable why the first event is easier to assimilate than the second one, and therefore less traumatic.

rvdboom said:
It's not a question of the trauma of the reader but the one of the character. If you consider that killing someone at 15 is any less traumatic than being raped, you should read about this.
If you consider that the question is that the readers are less concerned by the trauma MAru can experience than the one Maru do, then you're saying exactly the same as me, except that your perception that one is more understable than the other is exactly the problem: it shouldn't be.

POROW said:
t. My whole personality is based on internet drama regarding a specific anime sphere.

ren_moon said:
t is understable why Maru is seemingly not that much affected by it.

rvdboom said:
And this is what I disagree with you on. His reaction when they discover that Usami killed himself clearly show that he's affected.
And if you imagine a 15 boy going to a hospital today doing the same thing, meaning turning off all the life support systems that keep a person alive, knowing perfectly well that this will kill the person, even if he knows that the person is in terminal phase and will die eventually, this will haunt him for years.
What it shows is that the audience reaction has little to do with the actual importance of the trauma or the realistic way the trauma response is depicted, but completely about the expected behaviour in such situations, an expected behaviour that is governed by the clichés we're fed up by previous shows depecting similar things.
We don't expect Maru to be traumatized because such a scene is rarely shown anyway and he strong, he's young, he's a man, so it's normal for him not to be traumatized. This is complete bull but still we accept it unconditionnaly. Just as most people did not register Juichi's story as repeated rapes of men by women.
Kuriko's rape is something which is a lot more in our radar so many react very strongly to it (not a bad thing in itself, I would be worried that it did not happen) but many criticize it because it doesn't completely fit with the cliché they're used to.
And I think people should question why they are reacting this way, since this is something interesting to understand.
I wrote this article to give insights on why Kiruko's response to her rape makes sense, maybe it'll be of interest to you: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeavenlyDelusion/comments/14g29nq/kirukos_response_clearing_misconceptions/

rvdboom said:
And this is what I disagree with you on. His reaction when they discover that Usami killed himself clearly show that he's affected.
And if you imagine a 15 boy going to a hospital today doing the same thing, meaning turning off all the life support systems that keep a person alive, knowing perfectly well that this will kill the person, even if he knows that the person is in terminal phase and will die eventually, this will haunt him for years.
What it shows is that the audience reaction has little to do with the actual importance of the trauma or the realistic way the trauma response is depicted, but completely about the expected behaviour in such situations, an expected behaviour that is governed by the clichés we're fed up by previous shows depecting similar things.
We don't expect Maru to be traumatized because such a scene is rarely shown anyway and he strong, he's young, he's a man, so it's normal for him not to be traumatized. This is complete bull but still we accept it unconditionnaly. Just as most people did not register Juichi's story as repeated rapes of men by women.
Kuriko's rape is something which is a lot more in our radar so many react very strongly to it (not a bad thing in itself, I would be worried that it did not happen) but many criticize it because it doesn't completely fit with the cliché they're used to.
And I think people should question why they are reacting this way, since this is something interesting to understand.
I wrote this article to give insights on why Kiruko's response to her rape makes sense, maybe it'll be of interest to you: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeavenlyDelusion/comments/14g29nq/kirukos_response_clearing_misconceptionsT
rvdboom

ren_moon said:
I still disagree about Maru, since the situation and motive between what he did and the hypothetical real life case of an average 15-year-old boy who must end the life of another person would not be very similar

Sylverthas said:
I agree with your general sentiment, but there is a big caveat: There is a lot of speculation. In any medium, if you leave gaps, some people will fill them with what they want to see, while others will see it as an oversight of the author. Essentially most of the discussion is between those two points. And where you stand depends on several factors, one of them being your trust in the author. Do you *believe* that the author thought this through, or not?

Then there are also some dangers with leaving it open ended. I agree with you that Kiruko does have a reasonable reaction, if (!) we assume the author's competence. But then you have other interpretations who see it as "yeah, she probably didn't mind it so much, cause she didn't run away". Which is actually something that is told sexual abuse victims in real life and is incredibly harmful.