The Eminence in Shadow (light novel)
| It seems like the true best part of the show were the friends we made along the way. And basically what Merve2Love said lol |
Ionliosite2Feb 17, 2023 8:23 AM
| Lmao. Stupid are those who just don't seem to be able to grasp the fun. LN readers know that it's a pure gem. The writing is just stonks. The Dialogues are just Epic. And the Art as well is Epic. All in all. It is easily one of the Best Isekai. Also, Van Beethoven himself Reincarnated in order to do the Music for the show. That's enough to tell just how great it is🗿 So, for those who don't like it, cry about it.  |
| I didn't watch the anime but I did like the manga. It makes fun of many classic tropes in other such fantasy/adventure shows. It even makes fun of our MC as well as his interactions with his subordinates. We have a chuuni protagonist. A deliberately fucked up name for an antagonist. The references to the 1997 Diablo game. A yandere sister. A shojo manga exchange student warrior princess. What's not to like? I was reading the manga mainly for it's comedy value more than anything else. It's not an isekai masterpiece but it's a much better show than most other recent isekais. |
| Best ending line in anime history = "My name is Saiki Kusuo. I am a psychic." |
| in a world where nearly every show is some giga level high chess move behind the scenes game or tries to be and fails miserably and over the top with shit that doesn't matter. This show is simple in it's premise and is funny to boot. Same reason that i love the Misfit demon anime. It's just simple doesn't try too hard to make some backstory that's indepth and focus on insane amounts of worldbuilding has an old 90's Fantasy vibe. |
| This show is one of few shows I disliked a lot. Gave it 4/10 and I rarely rate shows so poorly. I came to conclusion that this is purely ME problem, so I'd advise any fanboys to not lose temper reading the rant below. Nothing personal. Comedy is subjective after all. Before that though, one thing I still don't understand is why some people claim this to be a parody? Why would you even consider this to be a parody? Because it's dumb? Because of exaggerations when it comes to Shadow-garden characters? Is every show with OP characters supposed to be a parody? Dunno... I've seen trash Isekais, I've seen anime with cringe MCs. This show is said to be a combination of both. And yet, I found very little worth liking. The entire show felt hollow to me. When the final title rolled, I asked myself "what the F did I just watch?" - a waste of time. The fact we see dozens of girls who are your typical "f-dolls" with a personality of a boiled potato, doesn't make the show any more appealing. But that seems to be ME problem as well since there are countless people who couldn't care about character development, as long as the said "character" is wild and hot. I mean there's a reason why every ED has a sexualized/fetishized "puzzle" of yet another hot girl. You can immediately guess the target audience and the priorities when it comes to "plot development". I've heard people claim the manga is much more comedic? Maybe the anime version was much "worse" in comparison? Maybe it caters to already established fanbase, just like with Mushoku Tensei? Sure the animation in this anime was great, but there's no fun watching paint dry. I suppose the biggest problem here is with me disliking Chunibyo characters in general. I mean, I don't have problems tolerating idiot characters. Chunibyo however make me cringe harder than entirely cringe shows. I mean, I've seen arguably the most cringe show of all time - Watamote. And yet, I found it to be more fun than this garbage (IMO). Cringe character usually have personalities. Watching characters like CID is like watching a mentally disabled struggle to pick up a spoon to feed themselves. There's nothing funny in that. What's the appeal of the show? Retarded yet OP MC being the strongest in the world? OP yet forgettable gacha-girls literally just existing? Dunno and honestly don't care to know any more. IMO the show was so bad, I don't even want to check out the manga to see the difference. Show's over, moving on... |
Sigmar-Unberogen said: It's a parody the same way OPM is a parody, a comic relief mc in a serious story, this is subjective tho. The show itself never marketed as a parody, but a misunderstanding serious comedy.Before that though, one thing I still don't understand is why some people claim this to be a parody? Why would you even consider this to be a parody? Because it's dumb? Because of exaggerations when it comes to Shadow-garden characters? Is every show with OP characters supposed to be a parody? Dunno... Sigmar-Unberogen said: You could check the characters section for this and see which one has the most favorites.What's the appeal of the show? Retarded yet OP MC being the strongest in the world? OP yet forgettable gacha-girls literally just existing? |
Sigmar-Unberogen said: The fact we see dozens of girls who are your typical "f-dolls" with a personality of a boiled potato Said girls are hypercompetent superhuman or superelves that materializes protagonists random ramblings about his previous worlds to become very influential people in that world. Aside Delta ho is overpowered pet dog, Eta is an inventor that recreate earth technologies, Epsilon is famous pianist, Beta is similar but a writer, Gamma is a tycoon who own most successful business empire in that world and Alpha is the real Eminence in Shadow unlike certain LARPing boy. I'm skipping Zeta for spoiler reason btw. The reason why shadow garden members are obsessed with protagonist is obvious, he cured them from demon possession and gave them new life after every single person in said girls life abandoned them because of the possession. About character development, no offense but do you watch the show at double speed because the three princesses have a lot of it especially Rose who was the crown princess who at the last episode lost everything including her name |
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| Female characters it's just like why everyone likes the Monogatari series. |
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| excuse me? Leothebeast said: there was humor? where?I enjoyed the humor of it. It was like a combination of konosuba and chunibyo DoctorWasabi said: again someone saying the appeal is comedy...where?It's main appeal is the comedy. Though the serious moments were pretty cringe ( even if it's intentional ) It was enjoyable for me. Just turn off your brain and see the MC as nothing more than a meme lord. |
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thieftheodore said: I was referring more to garden characters when talking about characters with no development, but ok, let's talk about the princesses. You say three princesses. Did you actually mean TWO princesses? I mean, did Iris get any development? She's just a typical "burdened" older sibling who convinced herself she HAS to be stronger and better. She's as basic as it gets. That other girl, Sherry had better development in comparison.About character development, no offense but do you watch the show at double speed because the three princesses have a lot of it especially Rose who was the crown princess who at the last episode lost everything including her name Rose got developed for sure. She is bound to be more important, considering she's already pretty much op now, effortlessly beating the younger sister and joining the garden. Alexia is the main supporting character driving the plot forward. A typical "savior" vibes but still nothing special IMO. Whenever garden characters are shown, I usually have no idea who they are and why I should care considering their numbers. I'm left with an impression characters are ALL female (and this many) purposefully because this show would otherwise NOT generate enough attention. Basically baiting people with "come look at all the sexy anime girls we have here" type of empty show - My POV. A person in this thread mentioned to me OPM. Take shows like OPM for instance. You can have a show with a god-lvl OP MC without it being boring. You don't have to have a full-female cast to be an interesting show either. This show just fails at being interesting IMO. Vast majority of characters in this show can be described in just a single sentence. Delta, the most favorited character of the show, when she appeared and demolished the fat guy. I was like: *insert Thanos's I don't even know who you are meme*. She's a beast-girl, she's hot, she goes wild. Yeah... so? Is that it? She's a 1-dimensional character like a lot of them, including Cid's sister. Shalltear from Overlord is a better example of an OP female character done right for instance. Delta is shallow in comparison. And, when talking about Shalltear, I'm talking about S1 of overlord alone. Unlike S rank heroes from OPM, I couldn't care less about any of the characters from the garden. When they're on screen, it's just dumb fanservice or them smashing things or doing random shit. It's like I'm already supposed to know who they are. As I've said, they're just OP hot girls - that's it. And MAL says they're MAIN characters, not support?! Damn... When it comes to CID, I came to conclusion that I personally just can't bring myself to like Chunibyu characters. Chunibyu are basically mentally ill people IMO. Schizophrenic people who I can't really enjoy seeing on screen. This is basically why I didn't like the show, if you care to know my opinion. Is chunibyu perhaps the main reason why this show is rated so high? There's barely any comedy so that shouldn't be a reason - or am I wrong? Is it because of dumb hot girls? Dunno. |
Sigmar-UnberogenFeb 19, 2023 5:36 AM
harshtruth said: again someone saying the appeal is comedy...where? Comedy is subjective, plus explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog. You understand it better but the frog dies in the process Sigmar-Unberogen said: I was referring more to garden characters when talking about characters with no development, but ok, let's talk about the princesses........ what's wrong with saving shadow garden backstory for later? Their backstory aren't really needed for current plot point anyway. and when it's revealed it's actually impact the plot massively like what happened in latest book. I won't go into details because spoilers obviously about the princess, Since Rose is very obvious let's talk about Alexia. She went from having inferiority complex to her big sister to the point hating and abandoning her own sword style. Everything was changed when Shadow saved her and she witnessed how basic Shadow sword technique is. She's starting back to basic getting over her inferiority complex and getting stronger because of it. There's more like how she want to uncover the cult but it's more next season material. While in Iris case beside the obvious story about the fall for grace of big fish in small pond. Her case is actually fanservice for LN volume 5 reader. Her scenes actually explain the reason for her behavior in LN volume 5 |
thieftheodoreFeb 19, 2023 8:30 AM
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thieftheodore said: What's wrong? For the anime-onlies like me there's little to no value seeing hollow characters on screen doing random bullshit, that's what's wrong. Later when? They had 20 freaking episodes for it already. Isn't that more than enough? Overlord for instance has a cast of OP characters but the show managed to hook me anyways - at least for another season. Why? Because it cared explaining characters and do some worldbuilding, rather than wasting time on (yet again) random bullshit and fanservice. If the story decides to actually pay attention to the development of MAIN characters after several volumes, don't be surprised if I'll lose interest and be gone by the time that happens. I mean, I'm talking for myself here. I'll definitely not watch S2 of this show anyways, considering nothing remotely interesting happened in S1 that would encourage me to watch more. If the anime did a better job with first impressions, I'd stick around. If hot girls were meant to be the bait, sorry but that kind of cheap bait doesn't work on me.what's wrong with saving shadow garden backstory for later? Their backstory aren't really needed for current plot point anyway. and when it's revealed it's actually impact the plot massively like what happened in latest book. So, my hypothesis is pretty much right. People who are familiar to the source, be it LN/WN/Manga are likely to LOVE this show regardless, while new people are likely to end up more confused and disinterested. Obviously I'm not talking for everyone here but catering to already existing fans isn't the smartest choice when trying to attract new customers. Thank you for your time, but I suppose there's nothing left to discuss here. |
Sigmar-UnberogenFeb 19, 2023 9:20 AM
thieftheodore said: Said girls are hypercompetent superhuman or superelves that materializes protagonists random ramblings about his previous worlds to become very influential people in that world. This doesn't stop them from having the personality of a potato. |
Sigmar-Unberogen said: What's wrong? For the anime-onlies like me there's little to no value seeing hollow characters on screen doing random bullshit, that's what's wrong. Later when? They had 20 freaking episodes for it already. Isn't that more than enough? Seven shades aren't the main characters at least in this 20 episode. This season is not about them, so it's make sense to save their story for later. It's mainly about Alexia, Sherry and Rose. Shafow garden girls actually recurring side characters. Even the official site list them at the bottom https://shadow-garden.jp/character/ Yeah sure Alpha who earnestly copying Cid 's LARP as Eminence in Shadow is same with dumb but lovable Delta or Epsilon who refined her magic control so much to beat the "natural" or delusional Beta who self insert and replace every girl with herself in Shadow adventure, etc. Just because you don't watch the show properly doesn't make them potato |
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thieftheodore said: Sigmar-Unberogen said: What's wrong? For the anime-onlies like me there's little to no value seeing hollow characters on screen doing random bullshit, that's what's wrong. Later when? They had 20 freaking episodes for it already. Isn't that more than enough? Seven shades aren't the main characters at least in this 20 episode. This season is not about them, so it's make sense to save their story for later. It's mainly about Alexia, Sherry and Rose. Shafow garden girls actually recurring side characters. Even the official site list them at the bottom https://shadow-garden.jp/character/ Yeah sure Alpha who earnestly copying Cid 's LARP as Eminence in Shadow is same with dumb but lovable Delta or Epsilon who refined her magic control so much to beat the "natural" or delusional Beta who self insert and replace every girl with herself in Shadow adventure, etc. Just because you don't watch the show properly doesn't make them potato I mean, saying one single trait about them won't make them have an actual personality. And I know what you said aren't what they are, but I honestly can barely say who Delta and Epsilon are, they are so superfluous I could just not remember them at all and do just fine with the series. |
| Was it a good show, no. Was it an unwatchable show, no. Was it a boring show, maybe. Was it a cringe show, a little. Which makes this show, average at best. |
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Sigmar-Unberogen said: New fans almost certainly make up the majority of people who like the show, you might just have higher standards for power fantasy than them. So, my hypothesis is pretty much right. People who are familiar to the source, be it LN/WN/Manga are likely to LOVE this show regardless, while new people are likely to end up more confused and disinterested. Obviously I'm not talking for everyone here but catering to already existing fans isn't the smartest choice when trying to attract new customers. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Ionliosite2 said: I mean, saying one single trait about them won't make them have an actual personality. And I know what you said aren't what they are, but I honestly can barely say who Delta and Epsilon are, they are so superfluous I could just not remember them at all and do just fine with the series. Seven shade role on the story at this point beside to show how big and powerful shadow garden is, are mainly to be the one that implemented modern earth technology that's it. Their turn in the main story aren't here yet. Please also remember EiS actually a multimedia project. Kadokawa would gladly sell you spin-off about the seven shade (shadow gaiden and the master of garden) if you want to know more about them |
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thieftheodore said: not a single piece of humor landed. comedy is subjective but if something doesn't even make you chuckle within 20 episodes, either they overplayed the same unfunny joke or every joke missed the mark or it's just not funny.Comedy is subjective, plus explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog. You understand it better but the frog dies in the process |
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thieftheodore said: Ionliosite2 said: I mean, saying one single trait about them won't make them have an actual personality. And I know what you said aren't what they are, but I honestly can barely say who Delta and Epsilon are, they are so superfluous I could just not remember them at all and do just fine with the series. Seven shade role on the story at this point beside to show how big and powerful shadow garden is, are mainly to be the one that implemented modern earth technology that's it. Their turn in the main story aren't here yet. Please also remember EiS actually a multimedia project. Kadokawa would gladly sell you spin-off about the seven shade (shadow gaiden and the master of garden) if you want to know more about them I'm not interested in seeing a spin-off if the characters apparently play an important role in the main story then they should have their stuff at least explained there. |
Sigmar-Unberogen said: So, my hypothesis is pretty much right. People who are familiar to the source, be it LN/WN/Manga are likely to LOVE this show regardless, while new people are likely to end up more confused and disinterested. Obviously I'm not talking for everyone here but catering to already existing fans isn't the smartest choice when trying to attract new customers. What evidence do you have to support your hypothesis? |
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borderliner said: Hypothesis - a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.Sigmar-Unberogen said: So, my hypothesis is pretty much right. People who are familiar to the source, be it LN/WN/Manga are likely to LOVE this show regardless, while new people are likely to end up more confused and disinterested. Obviously I'm not talking for everyone here but catering to already existing fans isn't the smartest choice when trying to attract new customers. What evidence do you have to support your hypothesis? Limited evidence here being people on the forums of this show, of course. |
Sigmar-UnberogenFeb 20, 2023 1:28 PM
Sigmar-Unberogen said: Hypothesis - a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation. Limited evidence here being people on the forums of this show, of course. There's a limit to limited evidence, and you've veered hard into anecdotal Below is limited evidence, I can use that to hypothesise that most (>75%) people really liked this show I can also use it to hypothesise that the haters (where you live) comprise an insignificant < 5% of the viewers Score Stats 10 22.8% (28281 votes) 9 25.1% (31138 votes) 8 28.6% (35581 votes) 7 14.4% (17830 votes) 6 4.7% (5874 votes) 5 2.0% (2480 votes) 4 1.1% (1378 votes) 3 0.6% (723 votes) 2 0.3% (425 votes) 1 0.4% (536 votes) |
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| borderliner said: Ironically you still use the same limited evidence to hypothesize that I'm a hater. Funny to see you contradict yourself in just 3 sentences. I'd blame that on unnecessary anger dwelling within you. Typical fanboy vibes, what can I say?There's a limit to limited evidence borderliner said: What's that even supposed to mean? Forget it, I don't really care to know.haters (where you live) Anyways, it was pretty easy to anticipate your next reply would be emotionally driven, judging by that rather dumb question. Spinning the definition of the word "hypothesis" to serve your narrative is pathetic to be honest. limited evidence is limited evidence. There's no threshold unless we're talking about irrefutable facts - our topic is not the case though. Retuning to the topic, had I done an actual research on the subject, my hypothesis would stop being a hypothesis and I'd obviously be using a different word instead. The person I was talking with has read the novel and the fact he already knew the characters in depth (who I see as shallow nobodies due to poor development), he likely found it easier to tolerate and enjoy all the random bullshit happening on screen when they were involved. Even if this wasn't the primary and only reason for his enjoyment. Then, there are other people on this very thread sharing my opinion on why the show didn't hook them: be it absence of character development, arguably shitty comedy, absence of any real plot etc. I did also say that I'm not talking for all people here, and I did use the word "likely". Implying I'm assuming stuff while being aware that there are plenty of new people who did like this show even though they were not necessarily familiar with the source. BUT, there are also NOT FEW people who didn't like the show precisely because they weren't familiar with the source and didn't tolerate nonsense in the span of 20 episodes - resulting in dislikes and poor score. In contrary, what evidence do you actually have to suggest those 10/10 people, even half of them, are not familiar with the source material and weren't influenced by it when judging the anime? Did you check their profiles to see if they've read the Novel or the manga, or not? This is precisely what I meant with "I anticipated your next response be emotional". Asking for an evidence for a hypothesis on Mal forums. You must be joking... or actually mad. Usually it's the latter, considering you got offended by my a mere hypothesis. Obviously the evidence was going to be limited. Here's the deal. More than anything I'd love to avoid wasting my time on people who never had any intention to have a reasonable dialogue, but still decided to imitate one simply to vent their frustration. I'm not a hater who wants to shit on your favorite show in an attempt to somehow "hurt" it. I'm exercising my free will to elaborate why I didn't like it, if anyone cares to know - simple as that. Assuming stuff and hypothesizing using limited evidence is a natural process, there's no need to get unnecessarily frustrated over something so simple. That other person I was talking with was mature enough to hear my POV without getting "triggered" by a harmless word. I'd like to end this discussion with classic proposal: "Let's agree to disagree on things". At the end of the day we just don't like the show same way. You're free to call it a masterpiece. I'm free to call it a garbage. The end. No need to continue this charade and chase words for no reason. |
Sigmar-UnberogenFeb 20, 2023 3:46 PM
harshtruth said: either they overplayed the same unfunny joke or every joke missed the mark or it's just not funny. Or maybe the comedy is just not for you. Not all people laugh at Dave Chappelle jokes yet most said he's the best comedian currently. Ionliosite2 said: I'm not interested in seeing a spin-off if the characters apparently play an important role in the main story then they should have their stuff at least explained there. Aside Alpha, Beta and Nu, seven shade don't have really important role in the story, at least not yet. Even the director gave reasoning why they're so prominent in the OP and ED is because seven shade doesn't appear too much in the main story. |
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thieftheodore said: being funny doesn't mean you cackle at everything being said and most people who find him unfunny are just offended by what he's saying...i'm not offended by any of this show's humor, it's just not funny on any degree.Or maybe the comedy is just not for you. Not all people laugh at Dave Chappelle jokes yet most said he's the best comedian currently. |
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harshtruth said: i'm not offended by any of this show's humor, it's just not funny on any degree. Meanwhile a lot of people here find the show funny and yet you disagree with this notion, thus proving the point again : Comedy is subjective. It's okay to be different you know |
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thieftheodore said: harshtruth said: either they overplayed the same unfunny joke or every joke missed the mark or it's just not funny. Or maybe the comedy is just not for you. Not all people laugh at Dave Chappelle jokes yet most said he's the best comedian currently. Ionliosite2 said: I'm not interested in seeing a spin-off if the characters apparently play an important role in the main story then they should have their stuff at least explained there. Aside Alpha, Beta and Nu, seven shade don't have really important role in the story, at least not yet. Even the director gave reasoning why they're so prominent in the OP and ED is because seven shade doesn't appear too much in the main story. I mean, that's my main problem with them, they are a bunch of nobodies to me and with the OP lol, the OP didn't make any sense to me since they appear so little in the series, seems a bit contradictory to do that since the girls who actually do matter appear so little in the opening. |
thieftheodore said: true...some people laugh at people getting hit by trains and old people falling down stairs. guess the real difference is whether or not someone is brain damaged or notMeanwhile a lot of people here find the show funny and yet you disagree with this notion, thus proving the point again : Comedy is subjective. It's okay to be different you know |
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harshtruth said: It's only funny if you can appreciate how mental the MC is, but it's deadpan humor, which is always divisive. thieftheodore said: being funny doesn't mean you cackle at everything being said and most people who find him unfunny are just offended by what he's saying...i'm not offended by any of this show's humor, it's just not funny on any degree.Or maybe the comedy is just not for you. Not all people laugh at Dave Chappelle jokes yet most said he's the best comedian currently. |
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harshtruth said: true...some people laugh at people getting hit by trains and old people falling down stairs. guess the real difference is whether or not someone is brain damaged or not Pro tip: you can dislike a show without insulting people who enjoying it. Chill Ionliosite2 said: I mean, that's my main problem with them, they are a bunch of nobodies to me and with the OP lol, the OP didn't make any sense to me since they appear so little in the series, seems a bit contradictory to do that since the girls who actually do matter appear so little in the opening. Next season the show will have story where Shadow garden become main victim of Cid new shenanigans so there's that |
thieftheodoreFeb 22, 2023 8:46 PM
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thieftheodore said: i insulted no one so if you feel a certain way, it's on youPro tip: you can dislike a show without insulting people who enjoying it. Chill |
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Leifallen said: KonoSuba is way more of a pure comedy, this is more typical power fantasy, but with parody elements.Hated kono suba and loved this one kinda weird when looking at those comment |
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thieftheodore said: harshtruth said: true...some people laugh at people getting hit by trains and old people falling down stairs. guess the real difference is whether or not someone is brain damaged or not Pro tip: you can dislike a show without insulting people who enjoying it. Chill Ionliosite2 said: I mean, that's my main problem with them, they are a bunch of nobodies to me and with the OP lol, the OP didn't make any sense to me since they appear so little in the series, seems a bit contradictory to do that since the girls who actually do matter appear so little in the opening. Next season the show will have story where Shadow garden become main victim of Cid new shenanigans so there's that Ok, but that is next season, not this one. It will have something that will make me memorize even another one of the names of other girls besides Alpha and Beta who are the only ones with any character or Epsilon and Delta who are just one note joke and nothing else or will they still be nonexistent and basically plot devices? |
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